Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-28

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 28 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 1h Martioy, stis 10:30 to prwi, qa synelqei to KYSEA, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy K. Karamanlh, me qemata thn epilogh neas hgesias gia to Limeniko Swma kai thn amyntikh politikh.

Amesws meta, stis 11:00 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy me qema thn Emporikh Naytilia.

Sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toy, me ta melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei ayrio to meshmeri me tis kyries Boyltech kai Kanellopoyloy kai toys kyrioys Mpoyra, Zampaziwth, Stayrogiannh, Xaitidh, Tsiara kai M. Papadopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Xqes, o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias, k. Meimarakhs, sthn prospaqeia toy na kommatikopoihsei thn antiparaqesh poy yparxei me to PASOK, isxyristhke oti to PASOK ejeqrece fainomena typoy Babylh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas: Symfwneite h diafwneite me th dhlwsh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Ti moy zhtate; Na sxoliasw osa eipe o Grammateas toy kommatos; Den qa to kanw.

PAPAGIANNHS: Epeidh anhkei sto idio komma me sas, fantazomai, gi` ayto akribws erwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, epeidh yparxoyn hdh plhrofories ston Typo, an exei jekinhsei h antistrofh metrhsh toy xronoy mexri thn erxomenh Trith opote kai qa parei to logo dhmosiws o Prwqypoyrgos, se sxesh me th diadikasia aytokaqarshs h kaqarshs sthn Ekklhsia.

ANTWNAROS: Giati lete thn Trith;

SPYRAKH: Giati thn Trith qa milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Enwsh Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy. Qelw loipon na rwthsw, an dinete ena sygkekrimeno xroniko periqwrio h an to xroniko periqwrio poy exei dwsei h kybernhsh gia thn aytokaqarsh mporei na diarkesei ep` apeiron.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei sto qema ths Ekklhsias. O Prwqypoyrgos den qa pei tipota parapanw ap` osa exei hdh pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Proxqes o k. Meimarakhs eipe oti h Nea Dhmokratia sthrizei tis prospaqeies toy Arxiepiskopoy gia kaqarsh. H kybernhsh sthrizei tis prospaqeies toy Arxiepiskopoy gia kaqarsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei sto qema. Isxyei h topoqethsh ths.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh ejetazei enallaktikes dynatothtes gia thn orkwmosia toy neoy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei o,ti isxye mexri shmera.

PAPAGIANNHS: An to qema teqei apo to neo Proedro ths Dhmokratias ton k. Papoylia, ean o idios dhladh zhthsei@;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Sas epanalambanw oti gia thn orkwmosia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias isxyei o,ti isxye mexri twra.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei ekdoqei diplwmatiko diabathrio apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn gia ton k. Babylh, sto parelqon;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, yparxei mia apanthsh ep` aytoy apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, apo ton ekproswpo toy ton k. Koymoytsako. Apo thn ereyna poy egine sta yparxonta arxeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gia to diasthma 2000-2003, den prokyptei oti exei ekdoqei tetoio diplwmatiko h yphresiako diabathrio.* (Yparxei parapomph sto telos)

BLAXOS: Ara yparxei piqanothta na exei ekdoqei nwritera;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Den exei arxeio to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Tetoio qema den prokyptei apo ta yparxonta arxeia. Parakalw gia perissoteres leptomereies na apeyqynqeite ston k. Koymoytsako.

BLAXOS: Esas den sas endiaferei ws kybernhsh, ean exei ekdoqei diplwmatiko diabathrio;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Lew, an sas endiaferei na rwthsete ton k. Koymoytsako, an exei ekdoqei diplwmatiko diabathrio.

ANTWNAROS: Qa ton rwthsw kai qa epanelqw.

TSIODRAS: Qelw na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh katalogizei eyqynes sto PASOK gia th drash twn sygkekrimenwn kyklwmatwn kai twn parakratikwn, parastratiwtikwn klp.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

TSIODRAS: Egw den qelw na to syndesw me ton k. Meimarakh. Qelw na jerw an h apoch ths kybernhshs einai oti yparxoyn eyqynes sto PASOK h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio pera apo osa sas eipa.

TSIODRAS: Qa to ereynhsete an yparxoyn; To ereynate; Ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto shmainei oti diafwnei h kybernhsh me ton eayto ths, me th Nea Dhmokratia; Giati, an den kanw laqos, xqes ychlobaqmo kommatiko stelexos katalogise eyqews eyqynes kai anefere onomastika kai ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai ton tote Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei epi toy qematos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, diafwneite.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei epi toy qematos.

SPYRAKH: Shmera, o Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias k. Kefalogiannhs oxi mono ejefrase safws th dysareskeia toy gia toys xeirismoys poy ginontai gyrw apo to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn, alla epeshmane oti ayta ta zhthmata oi politikoi qa eprepe na ta eixate lysei metajy sas kai na mhn yparxei tetoios antiktypos sta eqnika qemata. Ayto ti shmainei praktika gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy tis dhlwseis toy k. Kefalogiannh.

SIDERHS: O akkizomenos me thn kosmikh ejoysia kai kata fantasia eqnarxhs k. Xristodoylos, proxqes eipe ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy oti einai o monos poy milaei. H syzhthsh htan peri ``graikylwn''. Pisteyei h kybernhsh afenos oti aytos einai o rolos toy kai deyteron, h eklegmenh kybernhsh den milaei; Den yperaspizetai ta eqnika mas dikaia;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei epi toy qematos.

SIDERHS: Den exete topoqethqei. Exete pei oti den sxoliazete. Ws pote den qa sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei sto qema ths Ekklhsias. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Sta eqnika qemata;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizete an h kybernhsh, oi diwktikes Arxes endiaferontai gia th syllhch toy k. Babylh kai poy briskontai aytes oi ereynes gia na mas lysei o kyrios to grifo poy yparxei gyrw apo to onoma toy kai th drasthriothta poy exei apokthsei;

ANTWNAROS: Gia opoion katazhteitai, ginontai oi anagkaies energeies.

SOYGLERHS: H kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Dhladh ti; Kathgoreite thn kybernhsh;

SOYGLERHS: Oxi, den kathgorw. An yparxoyn@

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew, loipon, oti gia opoion katazhteitai, ginontai oi aparaithtes energeies wste na aneyreqei kai na syllhfqei.

KAKALHS: An yparxoyn politikes eyqynes sto PASOK -opws emmesws plhn safws ypainixqhke o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias- poy ejeqrece parakmiaka fainomena. Antistoixa, den yparxoyn eyqynes sthn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias poy sthrizei thn aytokaqarsh toy Xristodoyloy kai arneitai to diaxwrismo kratoys-Ekklhsias;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei safestata oson afora sta qemata poy qijate. H qesh ayth ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio. Den nomizw oti mporei kaneis na apeyqynei opoiadhpote momfh sthn kybernhsh.

SEGIZOBA: Sxetika me to jafniko tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Zagkremp, Beligradi kai Pristina, mporeite na mas dwsete to programma; Poioys qa dei kai poia qemata qa syzhthqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqeite ayrio analytika gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ola ayta poy symbainoyn to teleytaio diasthma dhmioyrgoyn synqhkes kindynoy gia to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn kindynologoyme. Den yparxei kanenas logos.

BLAXOS: Qelw mia apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Ti den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw: As mhn kindynologoyme. Den yparxei kanenas logos.

SPYRAKH: Den anhsyxei, dhladh, h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Se dyo entypa, sthn kyriakatikh ``KAQHMERINH'', alla kai sthn ``ANW-KATW'' shmera, blepw ena qema gia mia pwlhsh 5.894 bagoniwn toy OSE apo thn opoia pwlhsh thn periodo 1998-2003 den fanhkan poyqena ta esoda. Einai enhmerh h kybernhsh; Einai enhmeros o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn; Giati ta melh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy kataggelloyn twra ton tote Dieyqynonta Symboylo oti ypekfeygei kai den apanta. Ti ginetai me ayth thn ypoqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa yparjei sxetikh apanthsh apo ton OSE.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mesa sthn hmera;

ANTWNAROS: Mallon, nai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qewrei h kybernhsh oti exei eyqynes poy epetrece na anadeixqei ayth h kontra metajy toy k. Xristodoyloy kai toy k. Eirhnaioy;

ANTWNAROS: Oso kai an prospaqhsete na me metapeisete na sxoliasw qemata poy qelete, den qa to kanw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Rwtw sygkekrimena gia tis eyqynes ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete sthn kybernhsh eyqynes poy asfalws den exei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exei eyqynes gia ena qema poy einai diplwmatiko, poy kat oysia exei na kanei me diplwmatika qemata;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GALIATSATOS: Exei diamhnysei sthn kybernhsh o k. Papoylias oti den qelei na orkistei apo ton k. Xristodoylo;

ANTWNAROS: Kati tetoio einai pantelws analhqes.

POYLIDOY: Otan proekyce to qema ths krishs sto xwro twn dikastwn, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs elabe orismena metra. Twra poy prokyptei ayto to qema sto xwro ths Ekklhsias, giati h epopteyoysa ypoyrgos Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn, den lambanei orismena metra, alla parapempetai sthn aytokaqarsh.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dyo entelws diaforetika qemata.

POYLIDOY: Kaqoloy. Epopteyoysa arxh einai to ypoyrgeio Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. Epanalambanw oti h Ekklhsia einai nomiko proswpo dhmosioy dikaioy.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai dikh sas ektimhsh.

POYLIDOY: Einai qema qesmiko, den einai ti ektimate eseis h egw. Einai pws orizei h Politeia thn Ekklhsia.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete yparxei eidikh sxesh Ekklhsias kai kratoys. Den prokeitai na mpw se aytoy toy eidoys th syzhthsh. Sas apanthsa, loipon, oti einai dyo diaforetika qemata.

XONDROS: Nai, alla fainetai oti yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Me thn ennoia oti h kybernhsh anelabe -kai me epityxia malista- ena rolo diamesolabhshs, otan yphrje h kontra metajy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy me thn Ekklhsia ths Elladas gia tis nees Mhtropoleis. Twra yparxei mia kontra metajy ths Elladikhs Ekklhsias kai toy Patriarxeioy Ierosolymwn me eqnikes diastaseis. Giati, loipon, na mhn yparxei mia antistoixh prwtoboylia kai twra;

ANTWNAROS: Kai pali mperdeyete dyo diaforetika kai mh sygkrisima qemata.

SIDERHS: Ean h kybernhsh den parembei yparxei periptwsh na xeirotereysoyn ta pragmata; Den qa einai xeirotera tote apo ton na parembei twra, estw kai an dysaresthsei kapoioys;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

SIDERHS: Sto 99% twn erwthsewn poy sas rwthsame, eipate den apantate kai den sxoliazete. Ti rolo ``paizoyme'' emeis edw;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis kanete erwthseis ki egw apantw.

SIDERHS: Sxetika me toys synadelfoys ston FLASH qa hqela na sas rwthsw: O k. Kokkalhs metabibase thn idiokthsia se enan anqrwpo poy se dyo mhnes toys eipe oti ``den exw na plhrwsw''. Eixate pei oti den parembainete sto qema idiokthsias radiofwnikwn staqmwn. Wstoso, aytoi oi synadelfoi kindyneyoyn na exoyn thn tyxh twn synadelfwn toy PLANET, oi opoioi den exoyn parei apozhmiwsh. Den qa prepei na parembei to Ypoyrgeio me kaqe tropo;

ANTWNAROS: Parakoloyqoyme ayth thn ypoqesh, opws kai oles tis ypoqeseis, opoy ergazomenoi dhmosiografoi diekdikoyn ta dedoyleymena toys. Den prokeitai, omws, gia dhmosioys ypallhloys. Prokeitai gia idiwtikes epixeirhseis, oi opoies prepei na apodwsoyn stoys ergazomenoys ayta ta opoia dikaioyntai.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To prwi emaqa oti diekoph h roh kapoiwn koinotikwn kondyliwn se kapoio ergo poy endiaferei thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia, logw dyskolias aporrofhshs h mh ajiopoihshs toys, mexri twra. Exete mia apanthsh gi ayto; Mhpws exei sxesh me ta teleytaia gegonota;

ANTWNAROS: Osa anaferate den syndeontai me kanenan tropo me osa apokaleite teleytaia gegonota. Yparxei emperistatwmenh xqesinobradinh apanthsh toy k. Fwlia, h opoia ejhgei akribws to qema. Epeidh einai eidiko qema sas parapempw se ayth thn apanthsh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela, oxi na sxoliasete, alla na topoqethqeite gia to oti mia paradosiakh efhmerida poy yposthrizei th Nea Dhmokratia, opws h kyriakatikh ``KAQHMERINH'' se prwtoselido reportaz, xqes, anefere oti kai oi polites, alla kai to genikotero klima einai idiaitera arnhtiko gia thn kybernhsh, ws pros thn kaqysterhsh twn qesmikwn metarryqmisewn, alla kai ths epilyshs twn problhmatwn ths kaqhmerinothtas. Qelw na moy peite, ean eiste ikanopoihmenos apo thn poreia ths kybernhshs mexri twra;

ANTWNAROS: Oi metarryqmistikes prospaqeies ths kybernhshs proxwroyn me poly ikanopoihtiko ryqmo. To Programma poy eixame anakoinwsei ginetai prajh. Lambanontai diarkws prwtoboylies pros ekeines tis kateyqynseis, tis opoies emeis, ws kybernhsh, qewroyme kentrikoys pylwnes ths politikhs mas.

BLAXOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres yparxei ena problhma se megalo ariqmo politwn. Para tis antiqetes eishghseis pros ton k. Regkoyza diaforwn yphresiakwn paragontwn, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn proxwrhse sthn yioqethsh enos typoy E9 gia to opoio oloi oi polites poy kataqetoyn thn forologikh dhlwsh toys, einai ypoxrewmenoi na pane na to symplhrwsoyn stoys logistes, me apotelesma na exoyn anebei kata poly oi amoibes twn logistwn kai etsi na einai ayto ena emmeso xaratsi stoys polites. Telika timwreite osoys kanoyn forologikes dhlwseis kai osoys exoyn perioysia;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den ginetai kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Giati den yioqethse to ypoyrgeio kai o k. Regkoyza gia pio aplo typo E9;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai eidiko eswteriko qema, to opoio -opws antilambaneste- den mporw na to apanthsw. Den gnwrizw leptomereies gia tis eishghseis poy eixan ginei ston k. Regkoyza. Oson afora sthn ypobolh toy eggrafoy E9, ayto qa ginei gia mia kai mono fora. Kai ayto giati ta entypa poy eixan ypoblhqei sto parelqon den eixan ginei pote antikeimeno mhxanografhshs, apo ameleia ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Kai etsi kaloyntai gia mia akomh fora, teleytaia, oi Ellhnes polites na ypobaloyn ena tetoio entypo, prokeimenoy na yparjei mia genikh eikona ths akinhths perioysias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exei perielqei se gnwsh ths kybernhshs, h estw anwtatoy kratikoy paragonta, katalogos onomatwn dikastikwn poy exoyn emplakei sta paraekklhsiastika h paradikastika skandala;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia kapoio katalogo poy feretai oti paradoqhke me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston @Areio Pago kai anaferetai se katalogo me onomata.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei aparadekth prospaqeia emplokhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oxi apo esas, poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Den einai kako na empleketai o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Gia qemata ta opoia den exei kamia sxesh otan empleketai o Prwqypoyrgos einai aparadekth kaqe tetoia prospaqeia.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai to qema poy eixe xqes h kainoyria efhmerida ``TO QEMA''. Isxyei ayto h oxi; Ayto rwtame. Sto baqmo ths emplokhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy den mas apanthsate.

BLAXOS: Exei h kybernhsh katalogo me dikastikoys poy exoyn sto ejwteriko me poly megala posa.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn yparjh tetoioy katalogoy.

BLAXOS: Ean empleketai h EYP den einai qema ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto kata to dhmosieyma bebaia. Ki egw sas lew oti den exw gnwsh tetoioy katalogoy.

BLAXOS: Rwthsate dhladh thn EYP kai sas eipe oti den exei ayto ton katalogo; Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Oti rwthsate thn EYP@;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Den exw gnwsh tetoioy katalogoy.

KAKALHS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn ektimhsh toy Steit Ntipartment oti den briskontai oloi oi eswterikoi tromokrates sth fylakh h oti h Ellada antimetwpizei mia ayjhmenh apeilh apo th dieqnh Islamikh tromokratia;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada exei pragmatopoihsei megales epityxies ston tomea ths katapolemhshs ths tromokratias. Tis jeroyme oloi aytes tis epityxies. H Ellada opws gnwrizete einai mia xwra apolytws asfalhs, opws allwste fanhke toys teleytaioys polloys mhnes. Apo thn allh meria den mporei kaneis na amfisbhthsei oti o agwnas enantion ths tromokratias, poy einai ena pagkosmio fainomeno, einai diarkhs.

KAKALHS: Qewreite tyxaio to gegonos oti to Steit Ntipartment epanerxetai sto qema ths tromokratias ligo prin to tajidi toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Oyasingkton;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn blepoyme syndeseis ekei poy den yparxoyn.

SIDERHS: Oi tajidiwtikes odhgies gia alla krath ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs den htan ths idias entasews m` ayth poy htan gia thn Ellada: skopeyei h kybernhsh na diamartyrhqei gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. Den exw dei to periexomeno twn allwn odhgiwn kai parakalw gia to qema ths diamartyrias na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

GALIATSATOS: Na katalabw kati kyrie Ekproswpe. Telika h kybernhsh diaceydei to dhmosieyma toy qematos h apla leei oti den exei gnwsh toy antikeimenoy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio dhmosieyma milate;

GALIATSATOS: Gia to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``QEMA''.

ANTWNAROS: Oti eixa na pw to eipa gi` ayto to qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

Epeidh apo paradromh, kata th diarkeia ths enhmerwshs, anaferqhka sta arxeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gia to diasthma 2002-2003, dieykrinisa stoys parontes dhmosiografoys, amesws meta thn oloklhrwsh ths enhmerwshs, oti to swsto einai ``gia to diasthma 2000-2003''.

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