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Aqhna, 25 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th xqesinh dhmoskophsh.

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhmoskophseis einai xrhsima ergaleia. Omws gnwrizete oti den tis sxoliazoyme.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti kleinei h calida;

ANTWNAROS: Ti na mas problhmatisei; To oti an ginontan ekloges thn Kyriakh qa tis kerdizame kai malista me thn idia diafora poy tis kerdisame prin apo ena xrono;

SIDERHS: Twra sxoliasate.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h eqnikh diastash ths krishs stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias, oxi monon ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, alla kai toy Patriarxeioy twn Ierosolymwn. Kai an thn problhmatizei, ti protiqetai na prajei;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai diayghs apo thn prwth stigmh: Tolmhres apofaseis gia kaqarsh. H kybernhsh sthrizei thn prospaqeia kaqarshs kai qa th sthrijei se oloys toys tomeis ths dhmosias zwhs. Poso mallon sto xwro ths Ekklhsias, ena xwro poy einai shmantikos pylwnas ths koinwnias mas. Ta armodia ypoyrgeia Paideias kai Dikaiosynhs qa bohqhsoyn sthn kateyqynsh ayth me tyxon eksygxronismo twn ryqmisewn, opoy aytos einai aparaithtos.

TSIODRAS: Xqes, arnhqhkate na sxoliasete tis protaseis poy exoyn diatypwqei apo diafores pleyres peri paraithshs toy Arxiepiskopoy. Wstoso, h Ypoyrgos Paideias k. M. Giannakoy eipe xqes oti den tiqetai zhthma paraithshs toy Arxiepiskopoy. Paresxe th sthrijh ths ston k. Xristodoylo. Qa hqela na jerw an qa epanalambanate eseis thn idia dhlwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa kai xqes o Prokaqhmenos ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados eklegetai apo thn Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados.

TSIODRAS: Syggnwmh, h k. Giannakoy den eipe ayto. H Ypoyrgos Paideias eipe oti den tiqetai zhthma paraithshs toy Arxiepiskopoy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XONDROS: Ep` aytoy, na einai kapws pio jekaqaro: H kybernhsh sthrizei ton Arxiepiskopo; Nai h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws sas eipa, sthrizei prospaqeies poy ginontai gia kaqarsh sthn Ekklhsia. Qa parasxei -efoson ths zhthqei- sthn Ekklhsia thn arwgh poy xreiazetai, prokeimenoy me eksygxronismo twn ryqmisewn na epiteyxqei ayth h kaqarsh.

XONDROS: Ton Arxiepiskopo ton sthrizei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, giati den apantate jekaqara oti sthrizete ton Arxiepiskopo; Ti sas empodizei;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti den moy amfisbhteite to dikaiwma na epilegw ton tropo me ton opoio qa apantw stis erwthseis.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h shmerinh sas dhlwsh emperiexei mia prosqeth lejh gia ``tolmhrh'' kaqarsh. Tis prohgoymenes hmeres den th xrhsimopoioysate.

ANTWNAROS: Th xrhsimopoiw diarkws, kaqhmerina sxedon. Sas exw parapemcei epaneilhmmenws sthn topoqethsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, opoy ayth h lejh einai jekaqarh kai thn exei pei akribws me ton idio tropo. Kai den apoklinw kaqoloy apo ayto.

SOYGLERHS: Epishs, ti lete stis fwnes kapoiwn boyleytwn poy topoqetoyntai anoixta, enw h kybernhsh milaei gia sthrijh sthn Ekklhsia, enw oi boyleytes miloyn gia sthrijh sto Xristodoylo h kai antistrofa;

ANTWNAROS: Apostolh moy se ayth thn aiqoysa einai na ekfrazw th qesh ths kybernhshs.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, giati efoson ths zhthqei; Den einai Nomiko Proswpo Dhmosioy Dikaioy h Ekklhsia; Den epopteyetai apo to kratos; Giati eipate prin oti qa parasxei thn arwgh toy to kratos, efoson toy zhthqei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ta armodia Ypoyrgeia Paideias kai Dikaiosynhs qa bohqhsoyn pros thn kateyqynsh ths kaqarshs, me tyxon eksygxronismo twn ryqmisewn opoy ayto kriqei aparaithto.

SIDERHS: Ayto qa einai asxeto; Oi ryqmiseis twn dyo synarmodiwn ypoyrgeiwn me to an ths zhthqei; Den to katalaba. Dhladh, eipate oti h kybernhsh ean ths zhthqei kai prin eipate ta dyo ypoyrgeia qa symbaloyn se tyxon eksygxronismo.

ANTWNAROS: Kati analogo eipe allwste pro hmerwn o k. Papalhgoyras. Den lew tipote kainoyrgio. Eipe: Ean zhthqei h arwgh kai ths Politeias, h kybernhsh qa melethsei ayta ta metra, ta opoia zhtei h Ekklhsia kai qa th syndramei.

SIDERHS: An den zhthqei, ta dyo ypoyrgeia den qa kanoyn sxetikes ryqmiseis gia eksygxronismo;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ryqmiseis gia to qema ths Ekklhsias ginontai se sympnoia me thn Ekklhsia. Opws gnwrizete, me ayton ton tropo exei systaqei olo to plegma twn ryqmisewn poy aforoyn sthn Ekklhsia.

SIDERHS: Exete dei kamia ejoysia na apoballei tis ejoysies ths gia xarin ths dhmokratikothtas h ths opoias diafaneias; Einai dynaton na sas zhthqei; Eseis kybernate, esas epilejame.

ANTWNAROS: Ta organa ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas exoyn parei orismenes apofaseis. Efoson h Ekklhsia apeyqynei ayta ta aithmata pros thn kybernhsh, tote ekeinh qa ta melethsei kai qa topoqethqei.

GKOYTZANHS: Mas parapemcate prohgoymenws ston k. Papalhgoyra, eipate oti ayta ta pragmata ta exei pei kai o k. Papalhgoyras. O k. Papalhgoyras ekfrazei thn kybernhsh h eseis;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papalhgoyras ekfrazei ayqentika thn kybernhsh sto qema ths dikaiosynhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto den einai gia to qema ths dikaiosynhs, einai gia to qema ths Ekklhsias.

ANTWNAROS: Se qemata poy aptontai ths dikaiosynhs, ekfrazei ayqentika thn kybernhsh o k. Papalhgoyras. Einai o armodios Ypoyrgos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai h ka Giannakoy einai armodia Ypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ap` o,ti fanhke, qewreite oti to zhthma ths kaqarshs sthn Ekklhsia h ths aytokaqarshs, einai qema eksygxronismoy twn domwn h twn ryqmisewn, an katalaba kala. Apo th stigmh poy ean zhthqei apo thn kybernhsh, qa syndramoyn ta dyo Ypoyrgeia. Ektos aytoy, perimenei h kybernhsh kapoies sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies kai energeies apo ton Arxiepiskopo proswpika kai malista se sygkekrimeno xrono;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, egw den eipa oti to qema ths kaqarshs kai ths aytokaqarshs einai qema eksygxronismoy, opws eipate eseis, twn qesmwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate ``domwn kai ryqmisewn''.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa, kleinontas th syntomh dhlwsh poy ekana, ta dyo Ypoyrgeia einai proqyma na proxwrhsoyn se eksygxronismo twn ryqmisewn, opoy aytos einai aparaithtos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ektos aytoy, egw rwthsa kati sygkekrimeno: pera apo ton eksygxronismo poy lete eseis kai thn arwgh twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn, apo ton Arxiepiskopo perimenei kapoies sygkekrimenes energeies kai prwtoboylies, kapoies sygkekrimenes energeies kai prwtoboylies, kapoies sygkekrimenes kinhseis h kybernhsh, tis opoies qa kanei o idios o Arxiepiskopos kai malista se sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma; Dhladh, na to qesw kai pio wma: telika yparxei ena eidos telesigrafoy ek meroys ths kybernhshs se o,ti afora ton Arxiepiskopo, ton opoio etsi ki alliws, h istoria ths kaqarshs ton afora kai proswpika;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena telesigrafo pros thn Ekklhsia ths Ellados.

PALAIOLOGOS: Diaceydete ta dhmosieymata;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XONDROS: Kanate logo gia tolmhres apofaseis pros thn kateyqynsh ths kaqarshs. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti o k. Xristodoylos eggyatai th lhch aytwn twn tolmhrwn apofasewn poy apaitoyntai gia thn kaqarsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo. O k. Xristodoylos einai prokaqhmenos ths Ellhnikhs Ekklhsias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sth dhlwsh sas gia kaqarsh, hqela na moy peite ean perilambanetai kai o Arxiepiskopos, efoson prokycoyn stoixeia se baros toy.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ejeidikeysw thn topoqethsh moy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipate ``an zhthqei'' kai epeidh moy epitrepei to ypoqetiko poy xrhsimopoihsate, na to xrhsimopoihsw ki egw, an den zhthqei syndromh, h Politeia protiqetai na analabei prwtoboylies monh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Ti eidoys prwtoboylies;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Prwtoboylies gia kaqarsh sthn Ekklhsia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa, kat` epanalhch, tis teleytaies hmeres kai qa sas to pw gia mia akomh fora: h kaqarsh sthn Ekklhsia afora prwtista thn eswterikh leitoyrgia ths Ekklhsias. Ki ayto giati exei sxesh me thn hqikh symperifora thn opoia perimenoyn h ellhnikh Politeia, kai kyriws h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn, na exoyn ierarxes. Ayto to qema, prepei na to antimetwpisei h Ekklhsia ths Ellados me tolmhres apofaseis. Alla qemata ta opoia anakyptoyn -opws sas exw pei- empiptoyn endexomenws se poinikes diatajeis. Prokeitai gia qemata, ta opoia prokyptoyn apo dhmosieymata, thleoptikes ekpompes klp. Gi` ayta einai armodies oi arxes ths Politeias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Exoyn jekinhsei aytes oi diergasies;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite stis armodies arxes gia na plhroforhqeite.

XIWTHS: Epeidh kanate thn ejairesh kai mphkate ston peirasmo na sxoliasete thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, h megalh ptwsh ths dhmotikothtas toy Arxiepiskopoy apotelei kai gia sas ena mhnyma dysareskeias apo thn koinh gnwmh.

ANTWNAROS: Ekana, hdh, ena sxolio. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me th symfwnia gia eqeloysia ejodo ston OTE, thn opoia xqes xairetisate san syntagh kai gia ta alla tameia, prokyptei oti apo th symfwnia ayth epibarynetai to IKA me 875 ekat. eyrw. Efoson kati tetoio apotelesei syntagh kai gia tis ypoloipes DEKO, den yparxei kindynos na tinaxqoyn ta tameia ston aera;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy ta sygkekrimena stoixeia poy anaferete. Isxyei h xqesinh dhlwsh moy sto akeraio.

XONDROS: An to prwtaqlhma teleiwne thn Kyriakh, o Olympiakos qa to epairne me dyo baqmoys diafora. Parola ayta, yparxei problhmatismos sthn omada, epeidh petaei baqmoys. Den yparxei antistoixos problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh, poy petaei treis monades diafora mesa se ena mhna; Kai telos pantwn, o Olympiakos anteje sto systhma. H kybernhsh qa kanei kapoies diarqrwtikes kinhseis; Dioti, to politiko prwtaqlhma exei akoma poly dromo kai oi apwleies einai para poly megales se poly mikro xroniko diasthma.

ANTWNAROS: Oi sfygmometrhseis apotypwnoyn th stigmh poy ginontai. An ginontan thn Kyriakh oi ekloges, h Nea Dhmokratia qa epairne tis ekloges me tesseris monades diafora.

XONDROS: Epeidh, omws, den qa ginoyn thn Kyriakh ekloges, alla sto telos ths tetraetias, yparxei edafos poy xanetai. Htan epta baqmoys mprosta kai twra einai molis dyo.

ANTWNAROS: Qa ta janapoyme sto telos ths tetraetias.

XIWTHS: Apo o,ti katalaba, h kybernhsh den exei parei kanena mhnyma gia thn ptwsh kai ths dhmotikothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai apo th meiwsh ths diaforas apo to PASOK toys teleytaioys 12 mhnes. Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na kanete tis analyseis sas sta Mesa opoy ergazeste. Einai anafaireto dikaiwma sas.

XIWTHS: Rwtw mhpws den katalabame kala. Exete parei kapoio mhnyma apo ayth th xqesinh dhmoskophsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw na kanete tis analyseis sas sta Mesa opoy ergazeste. Einai dikaiwma sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh ta geymata, ta opoia pollaplasiazontai kai plhqainoyn metajy twn ypoyrgwn h ypoyrgwn me boyleytes kai me dedomeno to gegonos oti mallon peftei sta matia ths koinhs gnwmhs h eikona ths kybernhshs, mhpws telika h magikh lejh akoyei sto onoma ``anasxhmatismos'';

ANTWNAROS: Gia mia akomh fora qa sas pw oti ton anasxhmatismo qa ton plhroforhqeite otan ginei, dioti den proanaggelletai pote. Einai syntagmatiko pronomio toy ekastote Prwqypoyrgoy. Mh biazeste na steilete anqrwpoys sta spitia toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mhpws biazomaste na steiloyme kapoioys anqrwpoys kai sta ypoyrgeia h kapoioi biazontai apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Biazeste se kaqe periptwsh.

TSIODRAS: Den jerw ean exete ypoch sas mia eishghsh sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias sxetika me to basiko metoxo kai ena erwthma to opoio tiqetai pros to Dikasthrio twn eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, se sxesh me th symbatothta toy nomoy kai me to ean yperisxyei to Syntagma h to koinotiko dikaio;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw th leitoyrgia twn dikasthriwn ths xwras.

POYLIDOY: Den einai leitoyrgia, prodikastiko erwthma einai.

ANTWNAROS: @O,ti kai na einai den prokeitai na sxoliasw.

KANELOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws qymomaste oloi oi kybernhseis toy PASOK kai oi tote Ypoyrgoi miloysan gia thn kataskeyh twn Olympiakwn ergwn kai aneferan ena poso 4,8 dis, me mia apoklish gyrw sto 10%, pros ta panw panta. Epeidh, loipon, blepoyme kapoia stoixeia poy exei syllejei o yfypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Doykas, ayth h apoklish einai terastia. Hqela na moy peite, prwton, poy ofeiletai kai deyteron, ws pote qa plhrwnoyme ayta ta xrhmata twn olympiakwn ergwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ap` o,ti gnwrizw ekane anakoinwseis o k. Doykas. Den exw plhrh eikona twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn. Pantws, oi yperbaseis -opws ki eseis diapistwsate- einai ontws yperbolikes.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta th synanthsh poy eixan oi treis Ypoyrgoi stis Bryjelles me ton k. Saoymp, pote perimenei h kybernhsh oristikh apanthsh ths armodias yphresias ths E.E. gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den perimenei kati. Alloi anypomonoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Den sas rwthsa ean anhsyxei. Rwthsa an@

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthsate ean perimenei kai sas apanthsa: H kybernhsh den perimenei kati. Alloi anypomonoyn. As perimenoyn kai qa doyn. H kybernhsh den exei tipote na perimenei.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qa doqei apanthsh, dhladh, apo thn armodia yphresia;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den to jerw. Afora thn yphresia.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto sas rwthsa. Ean jerete h ean perimenei h kybernhsh oti qa doqei apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthsate ``pote perimenei''. Kai sas apanthsa oti h kybernhsh den perimenei tipote.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara den qa doqei apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den einai kati poy mas afora.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me ta osa symbainoyn sto xwro ths Ekklhsias, alla kai eyrytera, me aformh thn periptwsh toy diabohtoy Babylh, qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn gia ola ayth th drash, thn anomologhth, thn babylwnia, telos pantwn, drash toy diabohtoy Babylh, apo th stigmh poy mpainobgaine se diafora ypoyrgeia, apo th stigmh poy kapoioi ypoyrgoi proistanto kai kapoioi dhlwnoyn shmera oti den jeroyn tipote gi ayto ton anqrwpo;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme ta apotelesmata twn ereynwn. Otan aytes oloklhrwqoyn, tote endexomenws qa apodoqoyn kai eyqynes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai politikes; Qa to kanw pio sygkekrimeno to erwthma: Gia politikes eyqynes omilw.

ANTWNAROS: Se kamia periptwsh den qa mporoysa egw shmera na apodwsw opoiadhpote morfh eyqynhs, otan den yparxoyn ta apotelesmata twn ereynwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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