Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-24

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Aqhna, 24 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos synexizontas tis epafes toy me boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa synanthqei shmera me tis kyries Manoysoy, Korka kai Papadhmhtrioy, kaqws kai me toys kyrioys Berginh, Giannakh, Tasoyla, Kedikogloy kai Koyrako.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h eikona poy dhmioyrghqhke xqes apo tis apokalyceis twn MME, sxetika me thn katastash kai tis sxeseis Patriarxeioy Ierosolymwn kai Arxiepiskophs einai oti o Arxiepiskopos k. Xristodoylos eixe steilei to diabohto Babylh sta Ierosolyma, prokeimenoy na bohqhsei sthn eklogh toy Patriarxh k. Eirhnaioy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas, an mporei na proxwrhsei h aytokaqarsh sthn Ekklhsia otan sthn koryfh ths yparxei proswpo, to opoio fainetai oti einai meros toy problhmatos.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixame na poyme gia thn Ekklhsia, to eipame. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

XONDROS: Me th monh diafora oti pleon to qema ths krishs sthn Ekklhsia pairnei kai eqnikes diastaseis, me thn ennoia oti to Israhl ``pagwse'' tis kataqeseis toy Patriarxeioy Ierosolymwn. Yparxei ena qema to opoio jefeygei apo ta oria ths Ekklhsias. H kybernhsh den exei qesh se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na frontisete na plhroforhqeite ta akribh stoixeia ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs. Prokeitai gia dikastikh apofash. H ellhnikh kybernhsh -to ellhniko kratos- periballei oxi monon to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn, alla kai ola ta Patriarxeia me thn agaph ths kai to endiaferon ths. Opote xreiazetai parexoyme me th diakritikothta poy epiballetai se tetoioys xeirismoys, thn arwgh mas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Gnwrizete, k. Ekproswpe, oti xqes h proxqes o k. Palaiokrassas paredwse sth Dikaiosynh 12 fakeloys poy aforoyn ypoqeseis ths DEH, kataskeyes ergostasiwn, alla kai alla zhthmata, merikes apo tis opoies aforoyn th nea Dioikhsh ths DEH kai oxi thn palaioterh epi PASOK; Qa hqela to sxolio sas ep` aytoy kai, epishs, ena sxolio gia thn paraithsh toy k. Nezh, an htan pragmati paraithsh h toy zhthqhke.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis, oi opoies apotypwnoyn o,ti akribws egine.

PAPAGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, den yparxoyn anakoinwseis. Htan h dhlwsh toy k. Palaiokrassa me thn opoia den dieykrinize ti akribws@

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfa. Yparxei, bebaiws, kai dhlwsh toy k. Palaiokrassa, o opoios einai Proedros ths DEH.

IWANNOY: Xqes, sto deltio toy ANT-1 to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn epibebaiwse, oysiastika, oti oi kyrioi Babylhs kai Triantafyllakhs phgan sto Patriarxeio meta apo entolh toy Arxiepiskopoy. H kybernhsh diereyna ean pragmati kai pws phgan aytoi oi anqrwpoi ekei, ean isxyoyn aytoi oi isxyrismoi toy Patriarxeioy Ierosolymwn;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixame na poyme gia thn Ekklhsia, to eipame.

SPYRAKH: Eklhqh o Presbhs toy Israhl sthn Aqhna gia na dwsei ejhghseis gia th diadikasia desmeyshs twn kataqesewn toy Patriarxeioy twn Ierosolymwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizei h ``dejia sas ti poiei h aristera sas''; Den anaferomai proswpika se sas, alla sthn kybernhsh. Alla mas eipate xqes eseis, alla eipe o k. Fwlias, alla eipe o k. Paylopoylos. An qelete na sas ta ypenqymisw.

ANTWNAROS: H pragmatikothta einai para poly aplh. Kaqws teleiwne h synanthsh me ton k. Schaub, ekeinos estrafh pros ena synergath toy kai zhthse na toy dwsei apofaseis toy Dikasthrioy twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, oi opoies eixan anaferqei sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs. Eprokeito gia apofaseis poy exoyn sxesh me to prwtogenes kai to deyterogenes Dikaio. Oi apofaseis aytes briskontai sto arxeio toy k. Paylopoyloy, o opoios ws egkritos nomikos kai Kaqhghths ths Nomikhs Sxolhs toy Panepisthmioy Aqhnwn diaqetei ena para poly kalo arxeio. O k. Paylopoylos prosferqhke na steilei o idios tis dyo apofaseis poy exei sto arxeio toy kai tis opoies den eixe o synergaths toy k. Schaub. Ayto einai olo to qema kai qa staloyn aytes oi dyo apofaseis. Oyte prokeitai peri deyterhs epistolhs, oyte peri kainoyrgias, oyte tipote allo. As stamathsei, epiteloys, ayth h diastreblwsh ths pragmatikothtas.

SIDERHS: Yparxei kai kati allo: O k. Fwlias eipe oti yperisxyei to Koinotiko Dikaio toy Syntagmatos, enw toso o k. Paylopoylos, oso ki eseis lete to antiqeto.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh den eimai nomomaqhs den exw ekferei tetoies apoceis, opws aytes poy moy apodidete.

SIDERHS: Apo thn arxh eipa den afora esas to sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: To apodexomai. Ekeino poy exei shmasia -kai to opoio lew egw edw se ayth thn aiqoysa kai to exei pei h kybernhsh apo thn arxh- einai oti tetoio qema den apasxolei thn kybernhsh gia enan para poly aplo logo: O sygkekrimenos nomos einai kai symfwnos me to Syntagma ths Elladas kai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Synepws, ola ta alla einai xwris shmasia.

MIXAHL: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora thn Ekklhsia. Meta ta osa eidame kai shmera apo xqes to brady na apokalyptontai qelw na maqw an h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn eikona poy emfanizei pros ta ejw, pros thn ellhnikh koinwnia, h hgesia ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados. Kai otan lew hgesia den ennow monon ton Arxiepiskopo, ennow synolika.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio gia to qema ths Ekklhsias.

MIXAHL: Epeidh h kybernhsh exei eyqynh gia oles tis kratikes yphresies, gnwrize h kybernhsh ti drasthriothtes eixan oi kyrioi Triantafyllakhs kai Babylhs; Giati, den exei diaceysqei, ektos kai an mas to diaceysete, oti oi kyrioi Triantafyllakhs kai Babylhs eixan an mh ti allo thn anoxh ths Eqnikhs Yphresias Plhroforiwn. Egw den qa pw tipote parapanw kai qelw na maqw epeidh einai kratikh yphresia an jerate ti ekanan oi anqrwpoi aytoi, oi armodies yphresies profanws, sto Israhl.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres o Proedros toy PASOK sas kathgorei synexws oti ekmetalleythkate thn Ekklhsia kai oti den th sebasthkate.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gi` ayto to qema. Allwste o k. Papandreoy leei tosa polla kai einai dyskolo na ton parakoloyqhsei kaneis.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Meta thn eqeloysia ejodo ston OTE q` akoloyqhsoyn ki alles;

ANTWNAROS: H ryqmish poy symfwnhqhke ston OTE, me th symprajh twn ergazomenwn, ejasfalizei oxi mono th biwsimothta toy Organismoy, alla dhmioyrgei kai idiaitera shmantikes proypoqeseis gia thn anaptyjh ayths ths shmantikhs etaireias me megales prooptikes. Antiqeta, an den eixe ginei ayth h symfwnia o kindynos na apokthsoyme syntoma mia deyterh Olympiakh qa htan megalos. H lysh ayth dinei to metro antimetwpishs kai xeirismoy problhmatwn poy exoyn diaforoi Organismoi, wste me plhrh sebasmo pros ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn na proxwrhsoyn aytes oi etaireies se mia oysiastikh kai apotelesmatikh ejygiansh toys.

POYLIDOY: Giati apantate gia ton OTE kai den apantate gia th DEH;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tipote allo na pw.

TSIODRAS: O k. Palaiokrassas kathggeile kapoies atasqalies kai gi` ayto prosefyge ston eisaggelea. To gegonos oti epi diakybernhshs Neas Dhmokratias kataggellontai se enan poly megalo Organismo opws einai h DEH, apo ton proedro ths, kai katatiqentai ston eisaggelea sygkekrimena stoixeia, den apasxolei thn kybernhsh; Den einai problhma gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Na sas ypenqymisw oti o k. Nezhs, o opoios paraithqhke, htan dieyqynwn symboylos apo to 2000.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na sas pw, ektos an einai laqos oi plhrofories, na tis diaceysete, oti o k. Palaiokrassas kathggeile kai pepragmena epi diakybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw oti o k. Nezhs htan dieyqynwn symboylos apo to 2000 mexri xqes.

TSIODRAS: H periodos poy afora th diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias den ajizei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa epikrinoyme ton k. Palaiokrassa, Proedro toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy giati otan diapistwse kati, katefyge ston eisaggelea; Pros Qeoy!

SARANTAKOS: Eipate dyo fores oti o k. Nezhs htan dieyqynwn symboylos ths DEH apo to 2000. Wstoso h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias para to gegonos oti dexqhke kai kritikh apo th DAKE, diathrhse ton k. Nezh kai th xronia poy perase. Kata synepeia profanws qa ton ekrine ws ikano gia na ton diathrhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ayqaireth krish.

SARANTAKOS: Giati emeine o k. Nezhs; Profanws qa kriqhke ws ikanos. Ayto den leei h logikh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio. Ayth einai dikh sas ayqaireth krish.

BITALHS: Epeidh o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs den anaferqhke genikws kai aoristws sto qema ths Ekklhsias, eidika xqes apo to Hrakleio, alla isxyristhke oti yphrxe mia sympaignia toy kybernwntos kommatos me ena kommati ths Ekklhsias sto qema diakinhshs twn gnwstwn proeklogikwn fylladiwn. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete ayth h ypoqesh exei ereynhqei eparkws sto parelqon kai exei lhjei. Qa prepei, omws, o k. Papandreoy na jekaqarisei sto myalo toy epiteloys poioi apo toys isxyrismoys, poy kata kairoys proebale, isxyoyn. Tote elege oti ta diakinoyse h Nea Dhmokratia. Xqes eipe oti stalqhkan apo tis enories. As katalhjei kapoy. Ayta poy leei einai poly antifatika kai profanws ta leei gia logoys entypwsiasmoy.

BITALHS: Sto qema toy Patriarxeioy Ierosolymwn, epeidh einai meizon, hqela na rwthsw pote akribws enhmerwqhke armodiws h kybernhsh gi` ayth thn ejelijh kai an parakoloyqoyse ayto to zhthma kai ti eixe kanei. Giati einai ena zhthma to opoio ekkremei apo ta telh toy 2000 h arxes toy 2001.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota sto qema toy Patriarxeioy twn Ierosolymwn.

XIWTHS: Den qa sas zhthsw sxolio giati einai profanes oti den qelete na to kanete alla qa hqela na moy peite th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Apo thn perasmenh ebdomada poy h ierarxia anakoinwse metra gia th legomenh aytokaqarsh, h kybernhsh den exei topoqethqei. Qelw na rwthsw prwton an h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai apo thn perasmenh ebdomada mexri shmera kalyptei thn kybernhsh kai deyteron an antapokrinetai sthn kateyqynsh, opws dhlwse kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, gia tolmhres apofaseis kai aytokaqarsh.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh perimenei apo thn Ekklhsia ths Elladas na proxwrhsei me tolmhres kinhseis sthn aytokaqarsh. Ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

XIWTHS: Mexri pote qa perimenei h kybernhsh gia na ekferei mia krish;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

IWANNOY: To aithma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ejakoloyqei na einai to idio kai meta thn anakoinwsh twn metrwn; Ara ayta ta metra den einai arketa;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti epikrotoyme ta metra poy stoxeyoyn pros thn kaqarsh. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

XIWTHS: Zhtw epishs th qesh ths kybernhshs kai oxi sxolio gia ena akomh zhthma. To koinotiko dikaio yperisxyei toy Syntagmatos nai h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite se kaqhghtes toy Panepisthmioy, gia na parete sxetikes gnwmateyseis. Eipa omws oti thn kybernhsh den thn apasxolei to sygkekrimeno qema, dioti o nomos einai symfwnos me to Syntagma kai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Synepws, den yparxei qema ti yperisxyei tinos. Einai entelws qewrhtikh h syzhthsh.

XIWTHS: Den einai entelws qewrhtikh. H kybernhsh prowqei ena plaisio poy syxna sygkroyetai me to koinotiko dikaio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei thn apolyth pepoiqhsh oti o sygkekrimenos nomos den sygkroyetai, einai dhladh symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio.

XIWTHS: Ma, den to qetw gia to sygkekrimeno nomo, giati to syndeete;

ANTWNAROS: Emas ayto mas apasxolei. Otan prokyptoyn ta qemata, ta antimetwpizei kaneis ad hoc. Den prokeitai na kanoyme nomikes analyseis edw mesa.

XIWTHS: Sas eipa kai pali oti den qelw kamia nomikh analysh, oyte kanena sxolio. Zhtw th qesh ths kybernhshs kai to lew, dioti: Etoimazei h kybernhsh kai neo nomo poy erxetai sth synexeia, o opoios qelw, toylaxiston egw, na plhroforhqw an qa ton katartisei me bash mono toys eswterikoys nomoys kai to Syntagma h an qa labei ypoch ths to Koinotiko Dikaio.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: H ellhnikh kybernhsh kata thn proetoimasia twn nomwn, toys opoioys kataqetei pros egkrish sth Boylh, lambanei ypoch ths toso to Syntagma -wste oi nomoi na einai symfwnoi me to Syntagma- oso kai tis koinotikes ypoxrewseis poy exei h xwra, to koinotiko plegma dikaioy, wste oi nomoi na einai symbatoi me ayto.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na rwthsw kati gia to nomosxedio poy etoimazetai, sxetika me thn idiokthsia pollwn MME. Mporeite na moy katasthsete safes ean ayto to nomosxedio qa afora kai tis efhmerides, opoy ekei paroysiazetai to fainomeno ths poly-idiokthsias, eite se kaqhmerines, eite se ebdomadiaies;

ANTWNAROS: To nomosxedio gia th sygkentrwsh kai thn adeiodothsh einai ena eidiko qema, to opoio einai akomh antikeimeno meleths. H kybernhsh exei toys problhmatismoys ths. Den eimai ayth th stigmh se qesh na topoqethqw me akribeia panw se ayto.

MPOYATAR: Gia qema dhmosias tajhs den prepei na diereynhqei h sxesh enos ychloy dhmosioy proswpoy, poy fantazomai oti exei mia idiothta nomikh, kratikh, ennow ton k. Xristodoylo, me enan katazhtoymeno ths Interpol; Den yparxei ena qema dhmosias tajhs edw mesa;

ANTWNAROS: Ean prokyptoyn poinika qemata, gia ta qemata ayta einai armodia h ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Opote ayth krinei oti prepei na epembei, epembainei.

SARANTAKOS: Na epanelqw sto qema toy Koinotikoy Dikaioy kai qa hqela, ean to gnwrizete kalws, alliws ean mporeite na enhmerwqeite kai na mas peite, prin chfistei o nomos gia to basiko metoxo, me poioys anqrwpoys stis Bryjelles, koinotikoys paragontes h me ton Ellhna koinotiko Epitropo k. Dhma, o k. Paylopoylos synennohqhke gia to nomosxedio gia to basiko metoxo, oytws wste na einai symbato @opws eseis lete kai yposthrizete- me to koinotiko dikaio;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na sas pw. Kai einai allwste peritto na anaferoyme ek twn ysterwn poies epafes ekanan tote o k. Paylopoylos h o k. Roysopoylos h o k. Papalhgoyras, oi treis synarmodioi ypoyrgoi gia to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio kai nyn nomo toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Shmasia exei to ejhs: Sthn Ellada eimaste se qesh, me toys eparkestatoys nomomaqeis poy exoyme, na krinoyme, otan katartizoyme ena nomo, ean o nomos aytos einai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio h oxi. Synepws, epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, thn apolyth pepoiqhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs oti o nomos aytos einai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Ayto einai poy metraei.

GKOYTZANHS: Palaiotera kai o k. Roysopoylos kai eseis, an den apatwmai -diorqwste me ean kanw laqos- eixate pei oti to ellhniko Syntagma yperisxyei toy koinotikoy dikaioy. Twra, den to lete. Na ypoqesoyme oti kati allaje.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota panw se ayto. Den nomizw oti to eipa etsi, alla ki an akomh to exw pei, sas lew oti den prokeitai na kanw kamia genikh topoqethsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai ena deytero, gia na ejhghsw giati rwtame, to Syntagma kai toys nomoys den toys efarmozoyn oi nomomaqeis poy mas parapempete gia gnwmateyseis. Toys efarmozei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Gia na mhn me paranohsete, rwthqhka apo ton k. Sarantako poioys symboyleyqhke o k. Paylopoylos sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, kata thn proetoimasia toy nomoy. Kai apanthsa oti den xreiazetai na symboyleytei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kanenan nomomaqh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Symboyleythke toys Ellhnes nomomaqeis, oi opoioi einai eparkestatoi kai exoyn plhrh gnwsh toy ti einai symbato me to koinotiko dikaio h oxi. Ayto eipa.

GKOYTZANHS: Den anaferomai se ayto. Anaferomai sthn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Xiwth poy toy eipate ``zhteiste gnwmateyseis apo nomikoys''.

ANTWNAROS: Otan qetete genikes erwthseis gia to ti yperisxyei h oxi, den prokeitai na sas apanthsw. Den yparxei kanenas logos na kanoyme edw nomikes analyseis.

MIXAHL: Ypoqetw oti h anafora sas peri nomomaqwn sthn Ellada, afora krish toys gia to ti einai kai den einai symbato. Etsi den einai; Kata thn krish toys, ayto einai kai ayto eseis nomoqethsate.

ANTWNAROS: Thn krish toys, thn empeiria toys, tis gnwseis toys.

MIXAHL: Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti qa prepei na einai idia h krish, h empeiria kai oi gnwseis kapoiwn allwn poy telika apofasizoyn, opws oi Eyrwpaioi synadelfoi toys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo panw se ayto to qema.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, pws apanta h kybernhsh sto aithma poy diatypwnetai apo stelexh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs gia paraithsh toy Arxiepiskopoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio sto qema ths Ekklhsias.

XONDROS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish, epeidh exw mperdeytei, sxetika me thn epistolh poy qa steilei o k. Paylopoylos@

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai gia epistolh.

XONDROS: Eipate oti qa steilei apo to arxeio toy kapoies apofaseis toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy@

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dyo apofaseis, opws sas eipa kai prin.

XONDROS: Den tis exei h Commission aytes tis apofaseis; Den exei arxeio h Commission;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws oxi. Tis exei pantws o k. Paylopoylos.

XONDROS: Kai perimenei apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GALIATSATOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths Ekklhsias: Skopeyei h kybernhsh na zhthsei apo ton Arxiepiskopo Xristodoylo na paraithqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena apolytws sxolio.

GALIATSATOS: Dhladh, to afhnete ``anoikto'';

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, o Arxiepiskopos eklegetai apo thn Ierarxia ths Ellados. Mhn prospaqeite na ekmaieysete apo emena stoixeia gia qemata sta opoia h kybernhsh den exei epembatikh dynatothta.

PEPONHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh sthrizei thn oikonomikh politikh ths sthn ejwstrefeia ths oikonomias kai sthn proselkysh jenwn ependysewn, opws, kata koron, diakhryssei. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: O nomos gia ton basiko metoxo, poso symbalei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, otan oi foreis ths idiwtikhs oikonomias kai o epikefalhs ths poy einai o Proedros toy SEB, epikrinoyn to nomo ayto;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kaqorizei thn oikonomikh politikh ths xwras, oxi o SEB.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den pisteyete oti o nomos aytos empodizei thn eleyqerh diakinhsh agaqwn kai yphresiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Antiqetws. O nomos aytos ejasfalizei th diafaneia sth diakinhsh oswn anaferate.

SPYRAKH: Diabazontas to periexomeno ths prohgoymenhs apanthshs sas, oti dhladh o Arxiepiskopos eklegetai apo thn Ierarxia kai na mhn perimenoyme apo thn kybernhsh na kanei sxolio se qemata@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti den mporei na perimenei kaneis apo thn kybernhsh na epembainei se apofaseis, poy den einai dikes ths.

SPYRAKH: Hqela, loipon, na rwthsw, ean sto epipedo ths politikhs prwtoboylias h kybernhsh diatiqetai na paei ena bhma parapera kai sto aithma gia ``aytokaqarsh'' na allajei ton oro kai na xrhsimopoihsei ton oro ``kaqarsh''.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei plhrws h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Tipote pera apo ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Parakoloyqoyme edw kai ligo kairo enan xoro apokalycewn gyrw apo proswpa me amfilegomenes drasthriothtes. Oi armodies Arxes gnwrizan tipote apo ola ayta h ta maqainoyn apo toys dhmosiografoys kai ta thleoptika paraqyra;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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