Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-22

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 22 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes mas milhsate gia baryshmanth parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Bryjelles, sxetika me thn katastash sta Balkania. Opws diabazoyme, omws, sto programma aytos poy qa anaferqei sta Balkania den qa einai o k. Karamanlhs, alla o Aystriakos Prwqypoyrgos. Ti akribws shmainei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipa xqes. O Prwqypoyrgos, shmera, sthn apogeymatinh synedriash qa kanei parembash gia ta Balkania. Ola ta alla, ta opoia anagrafontai gia ton Prwqypoyrgo synistoyn mia aparadekth epiqesh, h opoia basizetai se ena cema.

PAPAGIANNHS: Poia einai ayta, k. Ekproswpe, gia mas poy den ta exoyme diabasei;

ANTWNAROS: Cema einai kyriws oti o Prwqypoyrgos den qa milhsei. Otan sas enhmerwnw isxyoyn osa sas exw pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai kapoia efhmerida poy ta grafei;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, se poioys kykloys ta apodidete ayta ta cemata.

ANTWNAROS: Osoi grafoyn tetoia pragmata basizontai se cemata.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, basizontan sto arxiko programma, to opoio anefere oti o Aystriakos Kagkelarios k. Soysel qa ekane parembash gia ta Balkania kai qa ekproswpoyse@

ANTWNAROS: Egw den amfisbhtw thn parembash toy k. Soysel. Egw anaferqhka ston Prwqypoyrgo ths Elladas ton opoio ekproswpw.

SIDERHS: A, qa ginei kai parembash apo ton k. Soysel, giati sto programma ayto anaferotan.

ANTWNAROS: Egw milw gia thn parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Elladas. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero ep` aytoy.

SIDERHS: O Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas qa ekfrasei thn politikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs; Giati thn politikh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs qa thn ekfrasei o k. Soysel.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

SARANTAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, ep` aytoy. Epeidh einai mia baria kathgoria ayth poy apeyqynate oti kapoioi ceydontai, qa qelate na mas peite poioi einai aytoi;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na moy peite, sas parakalw poly, se ti synistantai ta cemata;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

MIXAHL: Epimenw.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas eipa xqes epi lejei oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei parembash gia ta Balkania. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na moy dwsete mia dieykrinish; H parembash ayth qa ginei, giati opws eidame apo to programma sth synanthsh me ton Amerikano Proedro qa milhsoyn oloi oi Prwqypoyrgoi sto NATO. Ki ekei sto pentalepto poy problepetai, an den kanw laqos, kaqenas qa ekfrasei tis qeseis toy. Egw, omws, den rwtw gi` ayto. Rwtw sth synanthsh twn ``25'' me ton Mpoys sthn edra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs qa milhsei o k. Karamanlhs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, xqes, oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei parembash sthn apogeymatinh synedriash twn Arxhgwn Kratwn kai Kybernhsewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me ton Amerikano Proedro. Diabaste to programma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Poia einai h antidrash ths kybernhshs, sxetika me thn protash poy egine apo thn Ierarxia gia th systash Anwtatoy Symboylioy Elegxoy ypo thn proedria toy Arxiepiskopoy k. Xristodoyloy kai me th symmetoxh tessarwn antiproedrwn twn isariqmwn anwtatwn dikasthriwn;

ANTWNAROS: H sygkekrimenh protash, sthn opoia anafereste den exei ftasei mexri stigmhs stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Otan to sygkekrimeno aithma ftasei stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys qa ginei antikeimeno meleths. Akoloyqws h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wstoso, omws, giati fainetai se dhmosieymata oti h kybernhsh epifylassetai h mallon epi ths oysias to aporriptei kai parapempei sth dikh ths protash gia nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph, ypo thn proedria laikoy kai oxi klhrikoy- kai ayto me kathgorhmatiko tropo- prokeimenoy na melethsei aytes tis protaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia teleiws diaforetika qemata. Ean zhthsei h Ekklhsia apo thn kybernhsh @to exw pei kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- to sxhmatismo nomoparaskeyastikhs epitrophs, h opoia qa asxolhqei me thn anamorfwsh ths Ekklhsiastikhs Dikaiosynhs, h kybernhsh qa antapokriqei qetika sto sxhmatismo mias tetoias nomoparaskeyastikhs epitrophs gia to sygkekrimeno qema, sto plaisio poy sas eixa analysei prin apo liges hmeres. To allo einai ena kainoyrgio aithma, to opoio sas epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, h kybernhsh to exei plhroforhqei dhmosiografika. Den exei ftasei akomh epishma se gnwsh ths. Otan ftasei sta xeria twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs ekane sxetikes dhlwseis. An mas erqei ayto to qema, qa to syzhthsoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs den ekane dhlwseis sxetika me to sygkekrimeno aithma.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Tis akoysa egw ejw apo to Dikastiko Megaro poy toy egine h erwthsh an qa erqei h apofash ths Ierarxias ti skefteste na kanete.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei egw sas lew pws exei to sygkekrimeno qema. Epanalambanw: Otan erqei ayto to qema qa ginei antikeimeno meleths kai akoloyqws h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

BAGIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoia aixmh; Anaferate dyo fores oti h kybernhsh to exei plhroforhqei mono dhmosiografika. Ayto einai mia aixmh pros thn Ekklhsia oti den exei enhmerwsei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Allo einai mia apofash thn opoia lambanei h Iera Synodos h en prokeimenw h Ierarxia kai h opoia gnwstopoieitai dia toy Typoy kai allo einai na parei to sygkekrimeno aithma ths Ekklhsias th morfh graptoy aithmatos poy qa apeyqynqei pros thn kybernhsh. Tote monon h kybernhsh afoy labei gnwsh twn leptomereiwn toy sygkekrimenoy aithmatos, to opoio qetei h Ekklhsia, qa topoqethqei.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes o k. Konidarhs, kaqhghths Panepisthmioy, milwntas ston 9,84 eipe oti h kybernhsh exei kai thn armodiothta kai th dynatothta na zhthsei na ginei diaxeiristikos elegxos stis Mhtropoleis, opoy yparxoyn stoixeia oti kati den phgainei kala. To skeftetai h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia memonwmenes topoqethseis kaqhghtwn h allwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qelw na moy sxoliasete thn topoqethsh toy kaqhghth.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh einai an skeftetai h kybernhsh na xrhsimopoihsei tis dikes tis dynatothtes kai armodiothtes gia na parembei sto qema twn oikonomikwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati h kybernhsh ekane th nomoqetikh ryqmish gia th meiwsh ths forologias kai ths foroapallaghs apo ta esoda toys, twn Mhtropolewn kai twn ierwn nawn; Giati ayto perase sto forologiko nomosxedio.

ANTWNAROS: To qema ejantlhqhke me thn chfish toy forologikoy nomoy ton perasmeno Noembrio. Twra to plhroforhqhkate;

MIXAHL: Emeis twra to maqame.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei kai einai nomos toy kratoys. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

MIXAHL: Rwtaw me poio skeptiko kanate ayth thn tropopoihsh.

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia peraiterw

dieykriniseis sto sygkekrimeno qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qewrei h kybernhsh adiko to gegonos na apallassetai h Ekklhsia kai h ekklhsiastikh perioysia, olwn twn forwn poy eixan ypoblhqei se palaiotero xrono kai thn idia stigmh na meletatai to endexomeno epibolhs emmeswn forwn sta laika strwmata;

ANTWNAROS: Se poia laika strwmata anafereste;

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me thn efhmerida ``APOGEYMATINH'' h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno na epiballei ayjhseis se emmesoys foroys prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei to elleimma. Kanw th sygkrish metajy ths foroapallaghs sthn ekklhsiastikh perioysia kai ths epibolhs stoys emmesoys foroys kai lew oti einai adiko.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to skeptiko ths sygkekrimenhs ryqmishs parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Qa hqela na tonisw wstoso oti h kybernhsh me thn eyaisqhsia poy th diakrinei lambanei idiaiterh pronoia gia thn prostasia twn oikonomika asqenesterwn tajewn. Ayto fanhke allwste kai apo thn ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy, kati idiaitera shmantiko.

SARANTAKOS: Qa qelate na mas ejhghsete toys logoys gia toys opoioys treis koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs zhthsan kai eixan ranteboy me koinotiko ypallhlo shmera to prwi stis Bryjeles;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka diejodika gi` ayto xqes. H synanthsh egine shmera to prwi. Dihrkese peripoy mia wra. Oi treis Ypoyrgoi enhmerwsan @ antiqeta me oti den ekane pote sto parelqon to PASOK @ ton Geniko Dieyqynth Eswterikhs Agoras ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, k. Schaub gia to periexomeno kai th filosofia toy nomoy poy eyrews apokaleitai ``gia to Basiko Metoxo''. Einai mia epipleon prwtoboylia thn opoia phre h Ellhnikh kybernhsh gia na deijei akribws se ti aposkopei h ryqmish kai na paramerisei mia gia panta opoiesdhpote endexomenws amfibolies h anaities enstaseis yphrxan sxetika me ayth th ryqmish.

SARANTAKOS: Ap` oti eixa akoysei ton k. Paylopoylo, otan toy eixe teqei to erwthma apo emena gia tis enstaseis poy eixan ekfrastei tote apo ton k. Stayro Dhma, eipe oti den yphrxe kanena qema. eseis eipate twra oti yparxoyn tyxon enstaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Sas eipa @ to eipa kai xqes kai nomizw oti hsastan parwn s` ayth thn aiqoysa @ oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei thn apolyth pepoiqhsh oti o nomos einai symfwnos me to Syntagma kai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Osoi endiaferontai den exoyn para na perimenoyn thn apanthsh ths armodias koinotikhs yphresias.

SARANTAKOS: Milhsate prohgoymenws gia tyxon enstaseis kapoiwn, poy yparxoyn. Eseis edw alla kai o k. Paylopoylos prwtos sthn tajh Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs elege oti den yparxei kanena qema.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai den yparxei kanena qema. Allwste mhn jexnate pws h epistolh toy k. Schaub, to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, anaferotan sto ellhniko Syntagma kai sto nomo poy eixe chfisei to PASOK. Den perieixe tipote gia to nomo poy chfise prosfata h Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

SARANTAKOS: Se oti afora to oti treis koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi enhmerwnoyn enan koinotiko ypallhlo eseis qewreite oti einai sto idio epipedo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa xqes. O sygkekrimenos ajiwmatoyxos ejakoloyqei na einai ypallhlos, einai o armodios ypallhlos o opoios xeirizetai ta sygkekrimena qemata. Giati na mh ginei ayth h synanthsh;

SIDERHS: Ton eixate gia xamhlobaqmo ypallhlo;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: A! @Htan allos o ypallhlos palaiotera;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na mh sygxeete diafores dhlwseis poy exw kanei.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma qelw na kanw erwthsh: Einai o idios poy ton eixate xarakthrisei ypallhlo palaiotera h prokeitai gia diaforetiko proswpo;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas doyleia na thn kanete kai na anatrexete se palaioteres dhlwseis moy.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei allh mia erwthsh ep` aytoy: Eginan dektes oi ejhghseis poy edwsan oi treis ypoyrgoi ston ypallhlo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

ANTWNAROS: Osoi endiaferontai, den exoyn para na perimenoyn th sxetikh apanthsh ths armodias koinotikhs yphresias.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qewreite kai ektima h kybernhsh oti meta apo th synanthsh ayth twn triwn ypoyrgwn me ton Geniko Dieyqynth ths Komision, qa arqoyn aytes oi enstaseis, afoy den yparxei qema kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis den pisteyoyme oti yparxoyn dikaiologhmenes enstaseis.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Etsi eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti diatypwnontai apo edw kai apo ekei. Den shmainei oti h Komision exei ekfrasei enstaseis.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: @Ara, elew twn enstasewn, otan pame kai enhmerwnoyme, afoy den yparxei logos, giati pame;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh me dikh ths boylhsh, me dikh ths apofash, xwris na ths zhthqei, phge na enhmerwsei kai na dieykrinisei qemata ta opoia ekrine h idia oti hqele na dieykrinisei. Oyte enstaseis exoyn diatypwqei apo ekeinh thn pleyra, oyte tipote allo.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Akoysame kati gia thn antikatastash toy SDOE me allo swma twn idiwn, profanws, armodiothtwn. Anarwtiemai an me thn aplh allagh toy titloy toy swmatos aytoy kai xwris thn analogh allagh twn ypodomwn, qa arqoyn oi amarties toy parelqontos enos swmatos poy h kybernhsh exei xarakthrisei ``amartwlo''.

ANTWNAROS: Oi plhrofories poy exw einai poly genikes. Prokeitai gia ena Proedriko Diatagma poy einai ths armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Parakalw gia oles tis leptomereies, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

SARANTAKOS: Na ypoqesw oti o k. Roysopoylos qa enhmerwsei kai thn armodia Epitroph ths ellhnikhs Boylhs gia th synanthsh poy eixe me ton ypallhlo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

ANTWNAROS: As epistrecei o k. Roysopoylos kai qa toy qesoyme to erwthma.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes sas eixame rwthsei an yparxei prosfygh kapoias gallikhs etairias, poy symmetexei edw se kapoia megala erga, enantion toy nomoy gia to basiko metoxo. Mas eipate oti den to gnwrizete. Mhpws to koitajate;

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw.

GKOYTZANHS: Den to gnwrizete h den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw. Einai qema poy afora thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Den einai qema poy afora thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Anhsyxei h kybernhsh mhpws, opoios kanei prosfygh poy afora thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai oxi esas, ejaitias aytoy exei epiptwseis sth roh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn pros th xwra mas;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

MIXAHL: Diaceydete ta shmerina dhmosieymata oti yparxei kindynos, ean eystaqoyn oi plhrofories peri prosfyghs, na mh synexistoyn oi xrhmatodothseis, ews otoy jekaqaristei ayth h ypoqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia fantasioplhjies.

SARANTAKOS: Kai o k. Fwlias ws ti meteixe sth shmerinh synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa xqes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa kanw mia erwthsh h opoia, ap` o,ti fainetai, exei na kanei me to klima twn hmerwn, gia ``roz'' kasetes, pornografiko yliko, diafores istories k.lp. Kai afora, bebaiws, exei ws qyma ayth th fora mia eyrwboyleyth toy PASOK, thn ka Matsoyka. Qa hqela to sxolio sas. Nomizw oti qa gnwrizete thn ypoqesh.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn ypoqesh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sxetika me th dianomh, kataskeyasmenoy profanws, aqlioy ylikoy poy thn emplekei se ``roz'' istories.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn en logw ypoqesh kai den qa sxoliasw mia ypoqesh poy den gnwrizw.

Eyxaristw poly.

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