Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-11

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Aqhna, 11 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei perielqei ypoch toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn erwthma apo thn pleyra toy Genikoy Projeneioy mas sta Ierosolyma gia to proswpo toy onomazomenoy Fwka Babylh h opws alliws kai gia th drasthriothta toy sto Patriarxeio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy tetoio erwthma. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsako.

TRIGKAS: O Genikos Grammateas twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn k. Anan kalese ton Kyprio Proedro na ypobalei graptws tis protaseis toy gia tis allages poy epiqymei sto sxedio Anan. Exei kapoio sxolio h ellhnikh kybernhsh ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena sxolio.

SIDERHS: Plhqainoyn oi endeijeis kai oi pieseis estw me tropo gia to Asfalistiko. Twra, exoyme kai apo to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio. Epanalambanete oti den prokeitai na ginei kamia allagh;

ANTWNAROS: Gia thn ekqesh toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy sas apanthsa prin apo liges hmeres. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Den qa empodisei thn ypobolh protasewn, thn antallagh epafwn kai th diejagwgh dialogoy, metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn.

SIDERHS: Anarwtietai kaneis k. Ekproswpe mhpws krybetai h kybernhsh pisw apo to daktylo ths. To lew me kaqe kalh diaqesh, alla jerete oti qa anoijei to qema. Giati epimenete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den exei tipote na krycei. An eseis gnwrizete kati perissotero apo thn kybernhsh, kataqeste tis protaseis sas. Den jerw ean eiste koinwnikos etairos. Eiste;

GKOYTZANHS: Kai h kybernhsh einai koinwnikos etairos. Kai to kratos einai koinwnikos etairos.

ANTWNAROS: Exete erwthsh;

GKOYTZANHS: Ep` aytoy, oxi.

MOYRTHS: Se synexeia aytoy, gia th xqesinh syzhthsh gia to Asfalistiko, metajy ths OTOE, toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Ayto to xarti poy kykloforhse exei kybernhtikh proeleysh; Yparxei gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to ``xarti'', opws to apokaleite, antiqeta me orismenoys isxyrismoys poy diatypwqhkan, einai ena aysthra texniko keimeno poy apotelei ton elaxisto koino paranomasth. Prokeitai, dhladh, gia ena apanqisma, mia katagrafh oswn exoyn syzhthqei, oswn apocewn exoyn katateqei sto trapezi twn synomiliwn. H qesh ths kybernhshs kai se ayto to qema, einai jekaqarh: Oi dyo emplekomenes pleyres syzhtoyn kai otan katalhjoyn se ena symperasma, qa ypoballoyn to apotelesma toy dialogoy toys sthn kybernhsh kai tote. Tote h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

XONDROS: Twra, den exei qesh h kybernhsh; Giati, opws ta lete, dinete thn entypwsh oti apla h kybernhsh einai parathrhths twn diergasiwn anamesa stoys koinwnikoys etairoys.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena qema poy afora dyo sygkekrimenes pleyres. H kybernhsh den exei epembatiko rolo epi pantos episthtoy, to exoyme epanalabei polles fores. Apo th mia pleyra einai oi trapezoypallhloi kai apo thn allh oi trapezes. Anazhtoyn tropoys gia thn epilysh toy sygkekrimenoy problhmatos. Ean kata th diarkeia toy dialogoy zhthqei h parembash, h paroysia, h syndromh ths kybernhshs, tote h kybernhsh qa parei qesh.

GKOYTZANHS: Sygnwmh k. Ekproswpe, alla den qa exei synepeies sto IKA ayth h istoria, opoia ryqmish ki na yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta, qa syzhthsoyn oi dyo endiaferomenes pleyres. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo se osa eipa.

RABANOS: Ep` aytoy k. Ekproswpe: H OTOE exei khryjei apergia gia th Deytera. H GESEE, me dhlwsh ths, anebazei toys tonoys kai xarakthrizei tis protaseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias xeiroteres apo tis protaseis Giannitsh gia to Asfalistiko. Ayth h eikona sygkroyshs kai entashs poy arxizei kai diamorfwnetai me toys koinwnikoys etairoys, den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai gia protaseis. Prokeitai gia mia katagrafh oswn syzhthqhkan. Ayto einai apolytws safes. H kybernhsh ayth se kamia periptwsh den skopeyei na ypagoreysei stoys syndikalistikoys foreis ti na kanoyn. Kaqenas exei to rolo toy sthn koinwnia kai krinetai apo aythn.

TSIODRAS: Lete oti einai enas katalogos twn oswn syzhthqhkan. Aysthra texniko keimeno. Sto katalogo perilambanetai kai h ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs. Mporeite na mas peite poia pleyra eqese ayjhsh twn oriwn;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Qa sas parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite stoys endiaferomenoys foreis.

TSIODRAS: Moy fainetai ligo dyskolo na to exei qesei @

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ypeiselqw se eidika texnika qemata.

TSIODRAS: @to zhthma ths ayjhshs twn oriwn oi ergazomenoi.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia mia katagrafh oswn exoyn syzhthqei. Syzhtoyn dyo pleyres. Den syzhta pote mia pleyra.

LEONTITSH: Xqes, milhsate gia thn epidiwjh ths kybernhshs gia oso to dynato eyryterh synainesh. Panw sto qema ayto, loipon, eyryterh synainesh me koinwnikoys foreis, politika kommata, etairoys, gia ta problhmata ths oikonomias kai kat` epektash kai gia to Asfalistiko. Pws antilambanetai, loipon, th synainesh h kybernhsh sthn prokeimenh periptwsh. Se poia bash; Sth bash ths ayjhshs twn oriwn hlikias, sth bash ths ayjhshs twn asfalistikwn eisforwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai, se kamia periptwsh, na ypeiselqw se syzhthsh gia to qema toy Asfalistikoy. Qa sas diabasw tis xqesines moy dhlwseis, oi opoies einai apospasma apo dhlwsh poy eixe kanei proxqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs: ``Epidiwkoyme th megisth dynath synennohsh kai synainesh me oloys, toys polites, toys koinwnikoys foreis, ta politika kommata kai toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Sto plaisio ayto h kybernhsh qa kataqesei, gia prwth fora apo to 1992, to epikairopoihmeno programma staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs sth Boylh, wste na yparjei analytikh syzhthsh kai epejhghsh toy, toso mesa sth xwra, oso kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh''. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sthn idia erwthsh, omws, xqes, eipate kai kati allo, oti o Prwqypoyrgos den gnwrize to megeqos toy xaoys, kaqws epishs kai ta pragmatika noymera ths oikonomias.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporeite na epanalabete ti eipate, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai oti, xarh sthn tolmhrothta, thn apofasistikothta kai thn eilikrineia ths kybernhshs, oi Ellhnes emaqan epiteloys thn pragmatikh katastash ths oikonomias kai ayto den allazei me tipota. Mphke oristiko telos sth legomenh ``dhmioyrgikh logistikh'', sta ``mageiremata twn ariqmwn'', sthn kataskeyh plasmatikwn eikonwn. Ayto to ektimoyn, oxi monon oi Ellhnes polites, alla kai oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas. Einai xarakthristiko oti ayto ektimhqhke idiaitera apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai enw eixame zhthsei ena xrono prosarmoghs, wste na meiwqoyn ta elleimmata, mas doqhkan dyo. Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me qemata poy den exoyn kamia pragmatikh diastash.

PAPAGIANNHS: Milhsate gia plasmatikh eikona. H pragmatikothta einai, omws, oti o k. Almoynia edwse teleiws diaforetikh eikona apo ayth poy eseis yposthrizate. Kai sas anefera xqes kai toys ariqmoys poy aforoyn thn proodo kai thn anaptyjh ths xwras kai gia to elleimma, alla, kyriws, gia thn anergia kai ton plhqwrismo.

ANTWNAROS: Gia ton plhqwrismo milhsa xqes, analytika. Sas eipa oti h ayjhsh toy plhqwrismoy kata to mhna Ianoyario ofeiletai se kaqara sygkyriakoys kai mh epanalambanomenoys paragontes. Oson afora sthn topoqethsh toy k. Almoynia, einai gnwsto oti arketes fores @kai oxi mono sto paradeigma ths Elladas- oi ektimhseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs diaferoyn apo tis probleceis se eqniko epipedo. Kamia fora, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph einai aysthroterh. Sas eipa kai xqes -to epanalambanw kai shmera- oti oi probleceis toy k. Almoynia den mas briskoyn symfwnoys. Ayto einai poly safes. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa efarmosei sto akeraio -kai to ypogrammizw ayto, gia na ginei safes kai na jekaqarisw ti qelw na pw- ton proypologismo poy exei chfistei. Qa ton efarmosei xwris ekptwseis.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate xqes kai to epanalambanete shmera oti htan sygkyriako to fainomeno ths ayjhshs toy plhqwrismoy, diabasa ston Typo oti h sygkyria sas eynohse, dioti epesan oi times twn kaysimwn to mhna Ianoyario. @Ara, nomizw oti ayto einai kati poly sxetiko, to opoio epikaleiste ws to basiko paragonta toy plhqwrismoy.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy eipa xqes. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

TSIODRAS: O k. Soyflias rwthqhke sxetika me th xqesinh dhlwsh sas kai eipe oti den qelei na sxoliasei tis kriseis toy k. Antwnaroy. @Ara, loipon, h xqesinh dhlwsh emfanizetai oxi ws kybernhtikh qesh, alla ws dikh sas apoch. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th dhlwsh toy k. Soyflia, ton opoio timw.

GKOYTZANHS: Eimaste, nomizw, sthn trith ebdomada poy exoyme tis ejelijeis sta ekklhsiastika pragmata. Nomizw oti einai arketo to diasthma gia na bgoyn kapoia symperasmata. Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo thn poreia ths aytokaqarshs sto xwro ths Ekklhsias;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Den exw na prosqesw tipote apolytws.

GKOYTZANHS: Dierreysan shmera kai yparxoyn plhrofories kai stis efhmerides oti o k. Papalhgoyras brisketai sto Fanari, qa exei synanthsh me ton Patriarxh. Qa syzhthsei mazi toy ta qemata ths Ekklhsias kai meta qa ta metaferei se syzhthsh poy qa exei me ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos to jerei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papalhgoyras pragmatopoiei, katopin prosklhsews toy Toyrkoy omologoy toy, epishmh dihmerh episkech sthn Toyrkia. Shmera, ej oswn gnwrizw, brisketai sthn Kwnstantinoypolh kai qa exei synanthsh me ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh. Den exw ypoch moy tipote ap` osa anaferate.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kathgoroyn thn paroysa kybernhsh oti proeklogika enagkalise, to lene etsi sygkekrimena, thn Ekklhsia me stoxo tis chfoys. Qelw mia apanthsh s` ayto kai an gnwrizete na yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo.

ANTWNAROS: Sto deytero qema exw apanthsei kai den exw na prosqesw tipote allo. Kai sto prwto poy anaferqhkate, peri enagkalismoy: H Ekklhsia ths Ellados, opws gnwrizete, einai enas qesmos me baqies rizes sth xwra mas. Einai baqia sthn kardia olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn poy einai Orqodojoi Xristianoi.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th drasthriothta toy anqrwpoy me ta 1000 proswpa, den qa toy dwsw onoma twra, giati eimai mperdemenos kai egw, qelw na rwthsw kati: Gia na bgaleis mia plasth taytothta, opws dierreyse oti ekane o k. Babylhs h Rafahl h Fwkas h opws alliws ton lene, qa prepei na einai sto kolpo kai kapoios h kapoioi kratikoi leitoyrgoi, an den kanw laqos. Ektos kai an tis poylane se kanena ypaiqrio pazari tis taytothtes. Gi` ayto to pragma, exei energopoihqei kapoia Arxh shmera gia na apodoqoyn eyqynes, dioikhtikes pia;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Opws gnwrizete, oi taytothtes ekdidontai apo sygkekrimenh Arxh, thn opoia epopteyei sygkekrimeno Ypoyrgeio. Ean apodeixqei oti yphrje kapoia parabash ekei, opws isxyrizeste, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, alla tessera xronia o anqrwpos ``alwnize'' me epta onomata.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Roysopoylos eipe xqes oti oi dhmosiografoi exoyn to dikaiwma mias qeshs sto Dhmosio h ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Isxyei to idio gia toys dhmoys kai tis nomarxies;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos ekane poly sygkekrimenes protaseis. Anefere me leptomereies, ti qewrei -symfwna me tis protaseis ths kybernhshs- dhmosio tomea. Parakalw na anatrejete sto sygkekrimeno grapto keimeno, wste na apanthqoyn oles oi erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Gia toys dhmoys, omws, kai tis nomarxies poy exoyn mia aytoteleia, den exei anaferqei tipota apo kanenan.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na anatrejete stis protaseis toy k. Roysopoyloy.

SIDERHS: Epeidh h poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas krinetai kai apo ta mikra, eixame tis teleytaies hmeres mia apolysh kapoias kopelas, h opoia htan qyma sejoyalikhs parenoxlhshs. Den sas rwtw gia twra, an eiste etoimos na moy apanthsete, alla qa mporoysate na enhmerwqeite, an h kybernhsh skopeyei na ferei kapoia nomoqetikh ryqmish; Prokeitai gia dikaiwmata fylwn kai dikaiwmata ergazomenwn.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo se erwthsh gia tis plastes taytothtes, eipate oti den einai qema ths kybernhshs, na apeyqynqoyme sthn armodia Arxh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti armodia gia thn ekdosh twn taytothtwn einai mia sygkekrimenh Arxh ths ellhnikhs politeias. H Arxh ayth epopteyetai apo sygkekrimeno ypoyrgeio. Ean yparjei h diapistwqei kapoia parabash, parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai eipate oti den einai qema ths kybernhshs ayto, einai qema toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai qema toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy. Qa asxolhqei h kybernhsh kentrika me thn ekdosh mias taytothtas;

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto eipa, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa na apeyqynqeite sthn armodia Arxh. Sas eipa na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio.

GKOYTZANHS: To ypoyrgeio den einai dioikhtikh Arxh me thn eyryterh ennoia; Lete oti den einai qema ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema ths kentrikhs kybernhshs. Den einai qema toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na apanthsei sto sygkekrimeno erwthma.

GKOYTZANHS: Prwton, to o,ti yphrxe ena oloklhro parakratiko kyklwma poy leitoyrgoyse kai stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias einai qema ths kybernhshs; Kai deyteron, h kybernhsh skopeyei, dia twn armodiwn organwn ths, na diejagei kapoia ereyna gia na dei mhpws den yphrxe mono o k. Babylhs, alla yphrxe kai kapoios allos h kapoioi alloy poy leitoyrgoysan se ayto to kyklwma;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh @sas to eipa kai xqes- leitoyrgei kanonika kai apotelesmatika se ola ta epipeda. Ta dhmosieymata den apoteloyn panta apodeiktika stoixeia gia th symperifora kapoioy. Afhste, loipon, tis diwktikes Arxes na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den prokeitai na apantw, epi 24wroy basews, ti ekane, ti den ekane h kybernhsh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Einai ena qema se ejelijh. H kybernhsh perimenei oti h Ekklhsia qa proxwrhsei me apofasistikothta sta tolmhra ekeina bhmata, ta opoia apaitoyntai gia thn kaqarsh ths. Kai perimenoyme, bebaiws, na doyme an kai pote qa ginoyn ayta ta bhmata.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, giati to perimenete ayto; Exete deigmata oti h Ekklhsia kanei tolmhra bhmata; Peite mas ena apo to parelqon.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw ti ekane h Ekklhsia tis teleytaies 72 wres.

POYLIDOY: Mia ebdomada einai. Poies 72 wres; Prin apo mia ebdomada ebgainan kasetes sthn thleorash.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke prin apo treis hmeres. Gia mena shmeio anaforas einai h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, perigrafetai mia stash anamonhs gia na fanei kati h gia na bgalete ta symperasmata sas. Epanadiatypwnw thn erwthsh, h opoia pisteyw pws einai safhs: Einai proqymh h kybernhsh na maqei, na ereynhsei kai exei dwsei tis sygkekrimenes ekeines entoles pros tis armodies yphresies kai ypoyrgeia, poioi apoteloyn kai an apoteloyn parakratos, poioi einai praktores kai poioi den einai, poioi droyn ws ti kai ws ti emfanizontai; Den einai qema kentrikhs politikhs, den einai qema kybernhshs; Entolh exei doqei apo thn kentrikh kybernhsh kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo pros tis armodies yphresies;

ANTWNAROS: Ginontai oles oi apaitoymenes energeies kai diejagontai ereynes opoy krinetai aparaithto na ginoyn.

XONDROS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti stis teleytaies dhmoskophseis parathreitai mia mikrh, alla staqerh ptwsh ths dhmotikothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhmoskophseis.

POYLIDOY: Oyte kat` ejairesh;

ANTWNAROS: Oyte kat` ejairesh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O Arxiepiskopos xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: O Arxiepiskopos einai o Prokaqhmenos ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den rwthsa ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MOYRTHS: H kybernhsh exei plhrh stoixeia kai plhrh eikona ths katastashs ths oikonomia shmera; Kai h lejh xaos poy xrhsimopoihsate xqes perigrafei akribws th shmerinh katastash h en pash periptwsei mexri pote thn periegrafe;

ANTWNAROS: Den milhsa pote peri xaoys gia th shmerinh katastash. Moy apodidete dhlwseis tis opoies den exw kanei. Parakalw, na eiste prosektikos. Eipa oti paralabame xaos h ektash toy opoioy, gia arketo kairo, htan dysdiakrith. Dioti oloi aytoi poy ``mageirecan'' toys ariqmoys eixan frontisei na kanoyn diafora pragmata, wste na ta ``mageirecoyn'' kala. H dhmioyrgikh toys logistikh htan poly dhmioyrgikh. H kybernhsh exei poly safh eikona kai ayto fanhke kai apo thn ekqesh ths Eurostat sta telh Noembrioy. To qema ekleise oristika ekei.

XONDROS: Ayth th safh eikona pote thn apekthse h kybernhsh; Otan lete gia ena dysdiakrito topio, logw ths ``dhmioyrgikhs logistikhs'', dhladh sth DEQ o Prwqypoyrgos eixe mia eydiakrith eikona ths oikonomias;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero se osa eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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