Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-10

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Aqhna, 10 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Gia na ferei ayth th ryqmish o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias, se sxesh me th diploqesia sto Dhmosio, htan anagkh na ginei to qema panellhnio qeama, akroama kai anagnwsma; Den qa mporoyse se mia synennohsh me to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths ESHEA na to exei kanei, an kai yphrxe, qymamai, apo palia nomos apo epoxhs Swthrh Kwstopoyloy sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy, alla telos pantwn.

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Roysopoylos kateqese shmera seira sygkekrimenwn protasewn poy aforoyn stis epaggelmatikes sxeseis twn dhmosiografwn me to ellhniko Dhmosio. Basikh arxh aytwn twn protasewn einai h idea ths mias qeshs sto Dhmosio kai ston eyrytero Dhmosio Tomea. H kybernhsh krinei oti oi protaseis aytes prepei na ypoblhqoyn, opws ypeblhqhsan gia diaboyleysh kai dialogo se ola ta kommata, ta opoia ekproswpoyntai sth Boylh, kaqws bebaiws kai stis dhmosiografikes Enwseis poy den einai monon h ESHEA. O dialogos poy exei diejaxqei, mexri stigmhs, se dyo faseis, einai kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs apotelesmatikos. Kai elpizoyme oti -symfwnwntas me thn protash toy k. Roysopoyloy na topoqethqoyn ta kommata kai kyriws oi Enwseis ews to telos Martioy- qa katalhjoyme se koina symperasmata, ta opoia qa dieykolynoyn thn anazhthsh lyshs.

SIDERHS: Eipate einai apotelesmatiko. Mhpws einai apotelesmatiko kai sthn apajiwsh toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos, ara kai ths dhmosiografikhs kritikhs poy askeitai sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den exei kamia apolytws proqesh na apajiwsei toys dhmosiografoys, oi opoioi sth megalh toys pleiochfia ergazontai sklhra, pistoi stis arxes ths eleyqerotypias kai ths deontologias toy xwroy.

TSIODRAS: Exw dyo erwthseis: H prwth afora sthn Ekklhsia. Eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia tis tolmhres apofaseis poy prepei na lhfqoyn. Omws, twra den exoyme kapoies apofaseis poy prepei na lhfqoyn sto plaisio ths Ekklhsias. Exoyme emplokh anqrwpwn poy sxetizontai me thn Ekklhsia me kratikes yphresies, me parakratikes yphresies, me parakratikoys mhxanismoys. Ara, loipon -ennow gia ton k. Babilh kai ta osa exoyn apokalyfqei- mhpws h kybernhsh prepei na analabei twra kapoia prwtoboylia, etsi wste na doyme mexri poy fqanoyn ayta ta plokamia;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn organa ths syntetagmenhs politeias, ta opoia einai epifortismena na ejetazoyn kai na antimetwpizoyn ypoqeseis poy endexomenws proskroyoyn sto nomo.

TSIODRAS: Ma, edw blepoyme fainomena oi arxes poy ypotiqetai oti eprepe na asxoloyntai mias kai o k. Babilhs einai katazhtoymenos apo thn INTERPOL, dieqneis arxes k.tl. na einai promhqeyths toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy.

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se mia periodo toy parelqontos. As mhn apajiwnoyme oles tis arxes.

POYLIDOY: Twra ti kanoyn oi arxes;

ANTWNAROS: Oi arxes kanoyn oti poy prepei na kanoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Poies einai aytes oi arxes, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhmosieymata. Opoy yparxoyn qemata, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me to nomo kai me thn thrhsh toy nomoy einai safes poies einai oi arxes poy exoyn thn eyqynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti etsi apla menei mia skia oti sygkalyptete poies einai aytes oi yphresies.

ANTWNAROS: Den sygkalyptetai apolytws tipote.

GKOYTZANHS: E, tote giati den tis leme; Egw den tis jerw gi` ayto rwtw. Kai nomizw oti den tis jerei oyte h ellhnikh koinwnia, ektos an afhnete na enhmerwqei apo toys dhmosiografoys monon.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta ta opoia lete den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Qa sas pw poly apla: Ean prokeitai gia qemata poy aptontai ths Dikaiosynhs, einai ypeyqynh h Dikaiosynh. Ean prokeitai gia qemata poy aptontai twn Astynomikwn Arxwn, einai ypeyqynh h Ellhnikh Astynomia. Einai apolyta safes.

GKOYTZANHS: Den nomizw oti einai kai toso safh, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Kata th dikh moy apoch einai.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Na to kanw ligo pio sygkekrimeno: Edw akoyme gia anqrwpoys me dipla onomata, kykloforoyn kasetes me diaforo periexomeno k.tl.. Exoyme na kanoyme me mia periodo poy mas gennietai h entypwsh @epeidh afora thn periodo @97-2002, nomizw- oti parakratikoi ekanan parti edw se ayth th xwra. Qa mporoysame na maqoyme pws h kybernhsh poy exei kaqe proqesh na ejygianei, profanws, to topio qa einai hsyxh oti h katastash ayth den qa synexistei kai shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Oi apokalyceis stis opoies anafereste blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas edw kai liga 24wra molis. Einai synepws poly prosfates. Qelw, gia mia akomh fora, na dieykrinisw oti qa prepei na dwsoyme to xrono, eite stis diwktikes Arxes, eite stis dikastikes Arxes, na epitelesoyn to kaqhkon toys. Ayto einai poy perimenoyn oi Ellhnes polites. As perimenoyme, loipon.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Politikh eyqynh stoys prohgoymenoys den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: To qema brisketai se ejelijh. Qa prepei na perimenete ki eseis tis ejelijeis.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eipate oti oi diwktikes kai oi dikastikes arxes qa kanoyn ayto poy prepei efoson prepei na emplakoyn. Oi dikastikes arxes einai anejarthtes. Oi diwktikes arxes den einai anejarthtes arxes. Yparxei politikh boylhsh na dwsete entolh stis diwktikes arxes na epilhfqoyn toy qematos;

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi Arxes exoyn pagia entolh apo thn ellhnikh Politeia na kanoyn to kaqhkon toys. Se ayta ta plaisia kinoyntai.

SIDERHS: Apo thn ellhnikh politeia h thn kybernhsh; Giati edw dhmioyrgeitai ena problhma. Epafieste ston dioikhtiko aytomatismo kratikwn yphresiwn na antimetwpisoyn pragmata ta opoia apodeixqhkan anikanes tote na ta antimetwpisoyn. Kai rwtw an h kybernhsh exei epilhfqei toy qematos.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei th synolikh eyqynh ths leitoyrgias ths ellhnikhs Politeias, 24 wres to 24wro.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sxetika me thn oikonomia. O Prwqypoyrgos sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs sthn prwth toy paroysia me thn idiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy mas eixe milhsei gia ikanopoihtiko ryqmo anaptyjhs o opoios qa ftasei sta 3,9 ews 4%. Xqes o armodios epitropos k. Almoynia milhse gia proodo anaptyjhs poy qa pesei katw apo to 3,3%. Se ola ayta na prosqesw ton plhqwrismo poy plhsiase to 4% kai na prosqesw to megalo problhma poy yparxei me to elleimma. H aisiodojia ths kybernhshs poy akribws epafietai;

ANTWNAROS: As ejetasoyme ta qemata ena pros ena:

@Oson afora sto qema toy plhqwrismoy: H ayjhsh toy ton Ianoyario se 4% apo 3,1% ton perasmeno Dekembrio, proekyce apo ena kai mono gegonos: Fetos h periodos twn ekptwsewn den jekinhse ton Ianoyario opws synebh perysi, alla ton Febroyario. Prokeitai synepws gia mia kaqara sygkyriakhs fysews ayjhsh poy den allazei th genikoterh tash sygkrathshs toy plhqwrismoy. Symfwna me ypologismoys ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias, o plhqwrismos qa epanelqei ton Febroyario sto epipedo toy 3%. H sygkrathsh toy plhqwrismoy fainetai allwste apo to gegonos oti diamorfwqhke se mesa epipeda to perasmeno dwdekamhno se 3% apo 3,5% poy htan to prohgoymeno dwdekamhno. Oi anafores poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos kata th diarkeia ths omilias toy sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, apotypwnan tis probleceis me bash ta yparxonta stoixeia, opoy olo to megeqos ths apografhs kai toy xaoys, to opoio epikratoyse sth dhmosionomikh diaxeirish kata to parelqon, den htan apolyta safes. Synepws akomh ki an dextoyme -h kybernhsh den to dexetai me ayth th morfh- tis probleceis toy k. Almoynia, einai endexomeno na yparjei, ean yparjei, mia mikrh diorqwsh pros ta katw.

@Oson afora sto elleimma, exoyme kanei epaneilhmmena anafores sto sygkekrimeno qema. H stash ths kybernhshs paramenei atalanteyth.

H apokatastash ths dhmosionomikhs diafaneias kai h hpia dhmosionomikh prosarmogh poy stoxo exoyn th meiwsh toy elleimmatos paramenoyn apofasistika oi pylwnes ths oikonomikhs politikhs mas. H kybernhsh apokaqista thn ajiopistia ths xwras sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh para to gegonos oti to dhmosionomiko problhma einai megalo kai krisimo. Me thn eykairia ayth qa hqela na tonisw oti h synainesh thn opoia epidiwkoyme, sto megisto dynato eyros ths, afora oloys toys polites, toys koinwnikoys foreis, ta politika kommata kai toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Sto plaisio ayto h kybernhsh qa kataqesei sth Boylh gia prwth fora, apo to 1992 -kai to ypogrammizw- to epikairopoihmeno Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, wste na yparjei analytikh syzhthsh kai epejhghsh toy toso sth xwra oso kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

KOYIN: An qymamai, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe to Septembrio oti to elleimma htan 5,3% oson afora pososto GDP. Twra omws mas eipate oti den htan gnwsta ola ta megeqh ths apografhs. To 5,3% isxyei gia to 2004;

ANTWNAROS: Se dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei, exei dieykrinistei oti to pososto ayto einai ayjhmeno. Kai gi` ayto akribws doqhke apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, me symfwnh gnwmh ths ellhnikhs pleyras, mia periodos dietoys prosarmoghs mexri to telos toy 2006, wste na meiwqei to elleimma ayto katw apo to 3%.

KOYIN: Mhpws yparxei kapoia ektimhsh poy brisketai aytos o ryqmos ayth th stigmh;

ANTWNAROS: Gia sygkekrimena stoixeia parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

POYLIDOY: Thn politikh ths apografhs den thn kanate synainetika. Giati zhtate twra synainesh ws pros th diaxeirish twn apotelesmatwn ths apografhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den zhteitai synainesh gia th diaxeirish twn apotelesmatwn ths apografhs. Zhteitai synainesh gia to dromo poy qa akoloyqhsei h xwra ta epomena xronia. Pisteyw oti oloi exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na symbaloyn s` ayth thn koinh prospaqeia, akomh ki ekeinoi poy feroyn ena megalo meros ths eyqynhs gia to ti synebh sto parelqon.

KAKALHS: Gia to dromo poy eipate oti prepei na akoloyqhqei shmainei mhpws kati to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai genika h kybernhsh exei pacei na anaferei th frash oti ta barh toy parelqontos den qa metakinhqoyn stoys oikonomika asqenesteroys; Mhpws ayto shmatodotei oti eperxetai h agria litothta poy eixe proanaggelqei;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: Ola qa ginoyn sto plaisio ths hpias prosarmoghs me pisth efarmogh toy proypologismoy poy egkriqhke tis teleytaies meres toy Dekembrioy apo th Boylh. Epanalambanw epishs ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos: Kaneis -kai kyriws oi omades stis opoies anaferqhkate- den qa klhqoyn na plhrwsoyn ta barh poy mas klhrodothse to parelqon.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema toy Babylh. Exete stoixeia, giati akoygontai polla an einai praktoras h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena stoixeio toy eidoys poy anaferate.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Mhpws einai eispraktoras;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena stoixeio gi` ayto to sygkekrimeno qema.

TSIODRAS: Lete oti qa epimeinei h kybernhsh sthn politikh ths hpias prosarmoghs kai oti den qa metakylistei to baros stis asqenesteres tajeis kai qa ektelestei o proypologismos, paroti omws anagnwrizete oti o ryqmos anaptyjhs den qa einai aytos poy problepetai apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Pws loipon qa ylopoihqei o proypologismos th stigmh poy opws ki eseis prin apo ligo eipate piqanon na mhn einai konta s` ayto poy eipe o k. Almoynia, piqanon na mhn einai kai ayto to opoio problepetai. Pws loipon qa ginoyn ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Qa ginei me enan para poly aplo tropo: Kat` arxas, me syneph efarmogh toy Proypologismoy. Xqes syzhthqhke sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph mia seira megalwn ependysewn, oi opoies limnazan apo kairo. Yparxoyn loipon -gia na dwsw mono ena mikro deigma gia to poies dynatothtes yparxoyn- polloi tropoi gia na mpei se kalo dromo h oikonomia.

XIWTHS: Gia tis ependyseis poy anaferate, to gegonos oti h kybernhsh xreiasthke na perasoyn 11 mhnes gia na brei ti akribws ftaiei, epitrepei aisiodojia oti qa epilyqoyn ola ayta ta grafeiokratika problhmata stoys epomenoys mhnes;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferomai se ependytika sxedia, ta opoia se arketes periptwseis limnazan gia polla xronia. H kybernhsh ekane olh ekeinh thn proergasia poy xreiazetai, wste na parakamfqoyn oi dyskolies. Exw thn pepoiqhsh oti ayth h kybernhsh kai th qelhsh exei kai thn apofasistikothta kai thn ikanothta, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ta problhmata ths xwras.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, gia ta ependytika sxedia poy eipate, an den kanw laqos -mporeite na to diaceysete- proypoqetoyn thn katarghsh prostateytikwn diatajewn. Milw gia ta dash, oso kai genikotera gia to periballon. Einai alhqeia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se eidikes leptomereies gia ta ependytika ayta sxedia. Otan elqei o xronos, qa kanoyn eidikes topoqethseis oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mhpws ayto poy apofasisate xqes sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph htan idiwtikopoihseis tis opoies eseis onomazete ``ependyseis'';

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Anaferqhkate sthn ayjhsh toy plhqwrismoy, apodidontas thn sto oti oi ekptwseis arxizoyn to Febroyario. Dhladh den htan petyxhmeno metro;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, oi ekptwseis synexizontai. To Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs -gia logoys oi opoioi exoyn analyqei eparkws- ekrine oti eprepe na metatopistei h periodos twn ekptwsewn. Den exei sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Aplws, h metatopish ths periodoy twn ekptwsewn prokalese ayth thn allagh ston plhqwrismo. Den antilambanomai pws syndeete ta dyo qemata.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, bohqa sth dhmioyrgia synainetikoy klimatos poy epidiwkei, ap` o,ti katalabainw, h kybernhsh, na chfizetai mia diatajh sth Boylh ths opoias thn aposyrsh zhtoyn ola ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, alla kai mia megalh merida boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias; Pws einai dynaton, dhladh, na epidiwkei h kybernhsh th synainesh kai na kleinei ta aytia ths, otan ths zhta olo to fasma ths antipoliteyshs kai mia megalh merida boyleytwn, epanalambanw, na mhn epimeinei s` ayth th sygkekrimenh diatajh;

ANTWNAROS: Poia diatajh ennoeite;

XIWTHS: Milw gia th diatajh ths proswpikhs synenteyjhs, ws krithrio gia tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Exw anaferqei epaneilhmmena sth meqodo ths synenteyjhs se sxesh me proslhceis sto Dhmosio. Qelw na pw dyo logia.

XIWTHS: Na sas diakocw; Den qelw na moy analysete th diatajh, to exete hdh kanei. Einai katanohtes oi qeseis ths kybernhshs. To zhthma einai oti oloklhrh h antipoliteysh kai enas megalos ariqmos den yioqetei ta epixeirhmata sas.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas ypenqymisw oti oi apofaseis sth Boylh lambanontai kata pleiochfia.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla to na apoxwrei h antipoliteysh den einai o,ti kalytero.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa hqela na kanw sxolio gia ton tropo me ton opoio apoxwrhse h meizwn antipoliteysh apo th Boylh. Mh exontas na antitajei oysiastika kai peistika epixeirhmata sto sygkekrimeno qema, katefyge se meqodeyseis entypwsiasmoy. Ayto einai kai tipote allo. H synenteyjh -kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- ginetai: Prwton, ypo th skeph toy ASEP. Deyteron, opote krinei to ASEP oti xreiazetai, kata thn proslhch, h proswpikh synenteyjh. Triton kai teleytaio, den mporoyme emeis, ws sygxronh xwra poy eimaste, kratos-melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, na kleinoyme ta matia se meqodoys poy exoyn efarmostei pantoy, exoyn petyxei kai qewroyntai aparaithto systatiko se para polles periptwseis gia thn proslhch anqrwpwn, oxi mono sto dhmosio tomea, alla kai opoy alloy.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na mas prosdiorisete poio einai to periexomeno ths synaineshs kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw qewrhtikes topoqethseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Rwtw giati afhnete na ennohqei oti einai h symfwnia ths antipoliteyshs me tis proeilhmmenes apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi. Aytes einai oi dikes sas ermhneies.

GKOYTZANHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy einai an h kybernhsh anhsyxei apo th diaplokh ekklhsiastikwn paragontwn me praktores ths EYP gia ypoqeseis dhqen eqnikoy periexomenoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio se tetoies ypoqetikes topoqethseis@

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai ypoqetikh topoqethsh.

ANTWNAROS: @ h dhmosieymata ypoqetika.

KOYIN: Yparxei mia idiwtikh ekqesh, poy bghke sthn Oyasigkton xqes, h opoia anaferei oti h Ellada exei aposyrei entelws ola ta amerikanika pyrhnika opla, edw kai arketa xronia. Alhqeyei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Eyxaristw poly.

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