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Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: O k. Kokkinoylhs eipe prin apo ligo oti, epeidh den briskei lysh alliws, prepei na dei @kai aytos bebaiws, alla kai oi agrotes syndikalistes- ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa hqela na jerw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei anoiktes tis portes gia na synanthsei thn antiproswpeia twn agrotwn.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh, to agrotiko qema xeirizetai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Mpasiakos.

TSIODRAS: Ara, den tiqetai qema synanthshs me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XIWTHS: Enas boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias paraithqhke xqes apo ena kommatiko ajiwma, kathgorwntas ton ypoyrgo oti den antilambanetai ta aithmata twn agrotwn. Apasxolei ayto thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas exw pei epaneilhmmena, h kybernhsh den qelei kai den prokeitai na paranomhsei.

XIWTHS: Den rwthsa ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SPYRAKH: Ep` aytoy: Yparxei qema kommatikhs tajews, otan enas boyleyths toy kybernwntos kommatos kathgorei ton Ypoyrgo toy kybernwntos kommatos oti den antilambanetai ta aithmata twn agrotwn;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: H kybernhsh den qelei kai den prokeitai na paranomhsei. O k. Mpasiakos askei thn kybernhtikh politikh ston agrotiko tomea.

TSIODRAS: Pws krinete thn paraithsh toy k. Xarakopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw tipote na prosqesw.

TSIODRAS: Dhladh, o k. Xarakopoylos zhtoyse apo thn kybernhsh na paranomhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw gia trith fora shmera oti h kybernhsh den qelei kai den prokeitai na paranomhsei.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei peiqarxiko paraptwma, paei gia diagrafh o k. Xarakopoylos; Exei epiptwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynete to erwthma sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

GKOYTZANHS: Ektos apo ton k. Xarakopoylo kai alloi boyleytes lene oti o Ypoyrgos den kanei dialogo. To qema den einai ean paranomei h kybernhsh. Einai ean ontws kanei h den kanei dialogo o Ypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: O armodios Ypoyrgos k. Mpasiakos kai h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs briskontai se synexh dialogo me toys ekproswpoys toy agrotikoy kosmoy. Ayto, allwste, einai gnwsto apo tis synanthseis poy exoyn ginei ton teleytaio kairo. Qa prepei, gia mia akomh fora, na tonisw kati poly aplo: Den mporei oi ligoi me tis apaithseis toys, na epidiwkoyn na zhmiwqoyn oi polloi entimoi agrotes.

XIWTHS: O tropos me ton opoio kanei dialogo h kybernhsh piqanotata qa odhghsei ston apokleismo ths eqnikhs odoy. Qelw na rwthsw, kat` arxas, ean eiste eyxaristhmenoi apo thn poreia toy dialogoy kai deyteron, ean qa perifroyrhsete thn eqnikh odo me opoiodhpote tropo.

ANTWNAROS: Sto prwto erwthma sas, exw hdh apanthsei. Opws eipa kai xqes -kai kat` epanalhch tis teleytaies hmeres- den mporoyn oi ligoi me tis diekdikhseis toys na prokaloyn blabh, zhmia kai talaipwria sthn pleiochfia twn sympolitwn mas. Ayta poy eseis lete oti qa ginoyn, einai entelws ypoqetika.

XIWTHS: Oxi, ta exoyn paraggeilei k. Ekproswpe@

ANTWNAROS: Oi proanaggelies einai kai aytes -endexomenws lew kai to ypogrammizw- sto plaisio toy dialogoy, o opoios synexizetai. Den eida kanena mploko.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kai xwris na kleisei entelws h eqnikh odo, etsi opws exoyn parataxqei ta trakter, dhmioyrgoyntai kykloforiaka problhmata.

ANTWNAROS: Ti zhtate; Na paranomhsei h kybernhsh epeidh exoyn parataxqei ta trakter;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Ayto poy rwtw einai poly aplo. Qa dieykolynete toys ypoloipoys polites poy qeloyn na kinhqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ypoloipoi polites antilambanontai poios toys talaipwrei.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla to qema den einai na katalaboyn poios toys talaipwrei, einai na pane sth doyleia toys oi anqrwpoi.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw jana: Oi ypoloipoi polites antilambanontai oti toys talaipwroyn oi oligoi.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai qa toys afhsete na talaipwroyntai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ean katalaba kala, apo thn prohgoymenh sas apanthsh, lete oti den mporei oi ligoi na apaitoyn me tis diekdikhseis toys kai tis apaithseis toys na plhgoyn oi polloi entimoi agrotes. Stoys ligoys, entassete toys agrotosyndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Mpasiakos, pro oligoy, ekane ekteneis dhlwseis kai topoqethqhke sto qema. Anaferqhke stoys prosqetoys epanelegxoys poy ginontai gia prwth fora kai exoyn skopo na apokatasthsoyn thn pragmatikothta.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na rwthsw kati gi` ayto poy eipate, alla kai gia thn k. Mpakogiannh, h opoia xqes edeije na diafwnei kai me th logikh toy basikoy metoxoy, alla kai me thn agrotikh politikh poy akoloyqeite. Pws sxoliazete ayto; Kai eipate kati prin apo ligo: Petajate to mpalaki sth Rhgillhs Tiqetai, dhladh, qema diagrafhs h apofashs toy k. Meimarakh gia to boyleyth sas;

ANTWNAROS: O en logw boyleyths einai boyleyths toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Rwthqhka ean exei ypopesei se peiqarxiko paraptwma.

PAPAGIANNHS: Eipate oti qa to apofasisoyn aytoi.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa ayto to pragma. Eipa oti ypeyqyno gia tetoia erwthmata einai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, sto opoio parakalw na apeyqynqeite.

SOYGLERHS: Ws boyleyths den exei kamia epiptwsh gi` aytes tis dhlwseis poy kanei dhmosia;

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekproswpw thn kybernhsh. Den ekproswpw thn koinoboyleytikh omada kai bebaiws den ekproswpw to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ara, den apokleiete na synedriasei to Peiqarxiko ths Neas Dhmokratias gia na teqei kai qema diagrafhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa tipota tetoio. Eipa na apeyqynete to erwthma ston armodio forea poy einai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ma kai pali den apokleiete tipota. Ayto sas lew.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den sas eipa egw tipota tetoio. Me rwtate ean einai peiqarxika diwjimos. Sas apantw oti den eimai egw o armodios na apanthsw se ayto to erwthma. Armodio einai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ws pros thn k. Mpakogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh nomoqetei, epi th basei arxwn kai ajiwn. Eimaste apolyta sigoyroi oti o nomos poy chfisthke apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn thn perasmenh ebdomada kai apokaleitai ``nomos gia to basiko metoxo'', einai kai symfwnos me to Syntagma kai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio.

TSIODRAS: Exoyme shmera dhlwsh ths epitropoy Rentingk h opoia leei oti to eyrwpaiko dikaio yperisxyei toy ellhnikoy syntagmatos kai oi nomoi prepei na einai symbatoi. Exoyme th dhlwsh h thn epistolh ths E.E. poy leei poia einai ta shmeia symbatothtas me to koinotiko dikaio. Pws to sxoliazei h kybernhsh ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o nomos einai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio.

TSIODRAS: Ayto to lete eseis. H Koinothta den leei to idio.

ANTWNAROS: Ekproswpw thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai sas metaferw thn pepoiqhsh ths.

POYLIDOY: Perysi tetoia epoxh egkaloysate ton tote Prwqypoyrgo, k. Shmith giati den analambanei aytos thn eyqynh gia to agrotiko qema. Fetos mas lete oti to agrotiko qema to xeirizetai o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Ara den einai qema arxwn; Einai qema to poy steketai, kai ti leei o kaqenas analoga me th sygkyria;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to qema xeirizetai o k. Mpasiakos, symfwna me tis entoles poy exei.

SIDERHS: Dedomenoy oti ta prohgoymena xronia eseis ekqrecate ayta ta aithmata twn agrotwn, qa legate ``mea culpa'';

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh den ejeqrece apolytws tipota. Parermhneyontai, isws ek toy ponhroy, h stash kai oi dhlwseis poy exei kanei. Apodidontai sthn kybernhsh apoceis poy oydepote exei ekfrasei. Synepws, sas epistrefw thn kathgoria thn opoia apeyqynate pros thn kybernhsh. Den exei kamia bash.

SIDERHS: Den yparxei epishmh kybernhtikh anakoinwsh, oyte tote kommatikh, alla einai pasignwsto oti ta stelexh kai ta koinoboyleytika kai ta kommatika elegan ayto to perifhmo kai poly eipwmeno ``ola ta lefta, ola ta kila''.

ANTWNAROS: Tetoia topoqethsh den yparxei apo thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias. Synepws, ciqyroi, isxyrismoi kai alla anedafika tina den exoyn kamia bash.

SPYRAKH: Ti systhnei h kybernhsh stoys boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos oi opoioi kata to paradeigma toy k. Xarakopoyloy etoimazontai na plaisiwsoyn ta mploka; Exoyn kanei dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia ypotiqemenes h dhqen anamenomenes staseis boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws eseis moy tis metaferate.

XIWTHS: H dhlwsh sas, prin apo mia ebdomada, oti oi boyleytes einai eleyqeroi na episkeptontai toys agrotes - poy kata esas briskontai se diekdikhseis, emeis leme oti kanoyn kinhtopoihseis @ isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa genika oti oi boyleytes einai eleyqeroi na kanoyn ekeino to opoio kata thn krish toys, sta plaisia ths nomimothtas, einai kalo gia ton topo kai th xwra.

XIWTHS: Pws einai eleyqeroi na kanoyn ekeino poy qewroyn swsto, otan o prwtos boyleyths poy ekfrazetai me diaforetiko tropo gia ton Ypoyrgo poy xeirizetai to qema, dexetai th dysforia ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn plaisia nomimothtas, poy prepei oloi oi polites ths xwras na akoloyqoyn kai na symmorfwnontai me ayta.

XIWTHS: Ta idia plaisia nomimothtas isxyan kai gia thn apofash poy katadikase ton Olympiako se mia timwria kai h kybernhsh epetrece stoys boyleytes ths na symparastaqoyn, na milhsoyn kai na diadhlwsoyn th dysforia toys gi` ayth thn apofash. Den einai loipon to idio pragma. Epitrecte moy na pw oti exete dyo metra kai dyo staqma.

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo anomoia pragmata.

XIWTHS: Milaw gia to sebasmo ths nomimothtas.

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo anomoia pragmata kai dyo entelws anomoies symperifores.

GALIATSATOS: H syntagmatikh nomimothta epiballei se periptwsh poy oi agrotes qa kleisoyn toys dromoys, na toys anoijete. Qa toys anoijete h qa paranomhsete;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetika erwthmata pote, alla oyte kai se myxioys poqoys, poy exoyn endexomenws orismenoi.

GKOYTZANHS: Ti ennoeite, giati den katalabame.

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferomai se kanenan mesa sthn aiqoysa.

GKOYTZANHS: Gi` ayto rwtame ki emeis.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti den anaferomai se kanenan mesa sthn aiqoysa.

GKOYTZANHS: Symfwnw giati an htan gia kapoion mesa sthn aiqoysa qa rwtoysa ton idio. Profanws exete kapoioys alloys sto myalo sas poy den toys jeroyme. Mporeite na mas ejhghsete;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Exei analogistei h kybernhsh oti ayto poy odhgei toys agrotes stoys dromoys einai ta problhmata poy den exei lysei h kybernhsh ths N.D. para ta antiqeta poy elege proeklogika;

ANTWNAROS: Qa epanalabw ayto poy elega kai pro oligoy. H kybernhsh ayth kai otan htan sthn antipoliteysh ws komma ths Neas Dhmokratias alla kai meta thn analhch ths ejoysias, akoloyqhse mia anantirrhta ypeyqynh stash. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei kai shmera. Den doqhkan yposxeseis oi opoies den mporoyn na thrhqoyn, oxi mono ston agrotiko, alla se kanenan apolytws tomea.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo tis yposxeseis, yparxoyn kai problhmata. Se ayta h kybernhsh den exei dwsei kamia lysh mexri twra.

ANTWNAROS: Sta problhmata skyboyn oles oi pleyres poy emplekontai sta plaisia toy dialogoy, ths nomimothtas, ths synaineshs kai ths prospaqeias gia anazhthsh lysewn. Den amfisbhtei kaneis oti sth xwra yparxoyn problhmata.

LEONTITSH: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me th stash toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas apenanti stoys dhmosiografoys; Maqainoyme oti h katastash ojynetai kaqws synodeyontai apo stratiwtikoys stoys xwroys toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas. O k. Roysopoylos otan synanthqhke me thn ESHEA eixe symfwnhsei mazi toys na dei ti symbainei stis alles xwres. Symbainei ayto kai stis alles xwres;

ANTWNAROS: Einai aytonohto oti prepei na dieykolynontai oi dhmosiografoi wste na kanoyn th doyleia toys. S` ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai allwste kai h idea thn opoia efere sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn, kata th synanthsh poy eixe stis 14 Ianoyarioy, o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos k. Roysopoylos, me to D.S. ths ESHEA. H protash ayth poy apeyqynqhke kai stis dyo pleyres, htan na anazhthqei ena montelo enhmerwshs san ki ayto poy isxyei sta Ypoyrgeia Amynas twn allwn koinotikwn xwrwn. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti kai oi dyo pleyres exoyn th diaqesh kai thn apofasistikothta na anazhthsoyn kai na efarmosoyn ayto to montelo.

GKOYTZANHS: Milate gi` ayto to qema les kai h kybernhsh einai enas oydeteros tritos. Den einai. To ti enhmerwsh kai me poion tropo qa parexetai sta ypoyrgeia einai qema ths kybernhshs. Den einai qema toy kaqe ypoyrgeioy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Eimai bebaios de oti kai h ESHEA qa antapokriqei sto kalesma toy Ypoyrgoy Amynas k. Sphliwtopoyloy na synanthqoyn, wste na broyn kai na efarmosoyn ayto poy sas eipa.

SIDERHS: Antapokriqhke, ton katesthse akatonomasto.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti den dexomai se ayth thn aiqoysa ekfraseis, oi opoies einai peripaiktikes h apajiwtikes gia opoiodhpote politiko proswpo.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh einai poly aplo to pragma, qelw aplws ena nai h ena oxi. H kybernhsh egkrinei to montelo@

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy qesete monolektikh erwthsh;

XIWTHS: Oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Tote qa moy anagnwrisete to dikaiwma, an krinw, na mhn apanthsw monolektika.

XIWTHS: Asfalws kai sas afhnw to dikaiwma. Aplws, ayto sto opoio stoxeyei h erwthsh moy einai ena nai h ena oxi. An qelete na to ependysete, mporeite. H kybernhsh egkrinei h oxi to montelo enhmerwshs poy qespizei o Ypoyrgos Amynas;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh egkrinei to montelo enhmerwshs, analogo me o,ti isxyei stis alles koinotikes xwres.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh ayto, k. Ekproswpe, mporei na efarmostei kai se alla ypoyrgeia kai edw;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa se alles koinotikes xwres sta ypoyrgeia Amynas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den eipate Amynas;

ANTWNAROS: To exw pei sthn arxikh dhlwsh poy ekana.

TSIODRAS: Ep` aytoy: Lete kai oi dyo pleyres. Ennoeite to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai toys dhmosiografoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ennow thn ESHEA.

TSIODRAS: H ESHEA. Kai h allh pleyra poia einai;

ANTWNAROS: To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

TSIODRAS: Emeis rwtame gia thn kybernhsh. Eseis lete@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa th qesh ths kybernhshs. H dhlwsh poy ekana eisagwgika apoteleitai apo diafora skelh. Den apomonwnoyme to ena h to allo skelos. Den milw s` ayth thn aiqoysa mono gia thn Thleorash, poy toso poly agapw. Kanw mia synolikh dhlwsh. Qelw, loipon, na epishmanw oti edw yparxei mia synennohsh, mia epafh, mia antallagh apocewn metajy dyo pleyrwn. To kaqe ypoyrgeio orizei tis leptomereies ths epikoinwnias poy exei, ths epafhs poy exei, ths antallaghs apocewn poy exei me toys dhmosiografoys me dika toy krithria, me dikes toy apofaseis. Den yparxei ena kentriko organo, opws endexomenws pisteyoyn orismenoi, ligoi qelw na elpizw, poy dinei kateyqynthries entoles gia to pws prepei na ginetai h enhmerwsh.

TSIODRAS: Omws, ekkremoyse mia synanthsh ths ESHEA me to ypoyrgeio prin anakoinwqoyn ta metra. To ypoyrgeio espeyse na anakoinwsei ta metra kai twra milame gia kainoyrgia synanthsh ths ESHEA me to ypoyrgeio. Den qa eprepe na prohghqei h synanthsh kai meta na anakoinwqoyn ta metra;

ANTWNAROS: Parelqontologia qa kanoyme twra;

GKOYTZANHS: Kritikh stoys xeirismoys qa kanoyme. Giati einai qema oysias. Giati fainetai oti to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas den thrhse th symfwnia poy eixe kanei.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi. Ekfrazw gia mia akomh fora thn elpida oti qa breqei koinh synistamenh.

SOYGLERHS: Exoyme akoysei aytes tis hmeres polla gia to qema. Gia thn tampakiera den exei milhsei kaneis. Mporeite na mas peite pws ftasame mexris edw; Pws jekinhse ayth h allagh gia thn enhmerwsh twn syntaktwn sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies. @Allwste, den einai qema toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na mpei se leptomereies gia to pws ftasame h den ftasame edw.

SOYGLERHS: Ayto to kroysma mporei na paei kai se ena allo ypoyrgeio me paromoia fainomena.

ANTWNAROS: Giati genikeyete ta pragmata; Erwthqhka prohgoymenws kai apanthsa me safhneia.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Prin apo liges hmeres, kykloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn elegan oti h politikh hgesia twn armodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn epi PASOK, agnooysan thn Koinotikh Odhgia gia to qema twn symbasioyxwn kai den proxwroysan th lysh toy problhmatos. Kathgoroysan de to PASOK oti sto qema twn symbasioyxwn agnooyse thn Koinotikh Odhgia, enw sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy epikaloyntan to Eyrwpaiko Syntagma kai to Koinotiko Dikaio. Qelw na rwthsw: Afoy lete twra oti to motibo ths enhmerwshs poy akoloyqeitai stis ypoloipes koinotikes xwres, koitate na to efarmosete -ptyxes h oloklhro to montelo- kai sthn Ellada, den yparxei enas koinos eyrwpaikos tropos katapolemhshs ths diaplokhs as poyme, toy stoxoy, toy basikoy metoxoy, poy na mhn exei ptyxes anti-koinotikes;

ANTWNAROS: Speydw pali na sas pw, epeidh milate synexeia gia anti-koinotikes synqhkes, kai epeidh ayto to klima kalliergeitai@

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Egw aplws rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Den kalliergeitai apo esas. Kalliergeitai apo diaforoys kykloys. H kybernhsh exei thn pepoiqhsh oti h en logw nomoqetikh ryqmish einai symfwnh me to Syntagma kai symbath me to Koinotikh Dikaio. Gnwrizete oti to Koinotiko Dikaio den kaqorizei ta panta ejantlhtika. Yparxoyn megaloi tomeis drasthriothtas, sfaires zwhs -as to poyme etsi- oi opoies den ryqmizontai kan apo to Koinotiko Dikaio.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kai na me sygxwreite, egw aplws edrazw thn erwthsh moy sthn kata thn ektimhsh moy epilektikh epiklhsh ths eyrwpaikhs pragmatikothtas. Kai apo thn kybernhsh kai apo to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Emeis den epikaloymeqa epilektika thn koinotikh pragmatikothta, opws eipate, to koinotiko plaisio, mesa sto opoio kineitai h Ellada kai prepei na kineitai. Kai kineitai, bebaiws, kai o ellhnikos politikos kosmos kai poly perissotero ayth h kybernhsh. Den to kanoyme kaqoloy epilektika. Alla, den yparxoyn gia ola ta pragmata leptomereiakes ryqmiseis toy Koinotikoy Dikaioy. Kai opoy yparxoyn, prepei na efarmozontai. Kai gi` ayto akribws sas lew oti h sygkekrimenh nomoqetikh ryqmish, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, einai symbath me to Koinotiko Dikaio.

TSIODRAS: Yparxei kainoyrgia epistolh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia tis nees ryqmiseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn yparjh tetoias epistolhs.

TSIODRAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei apanthsei stis aitiaseis poy eixan diatypwqei apo thn pleyra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me thn epistolh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Giati mataiwqhke shmera h synanthsh toy Tassoy Papadopoyloy me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sthn Proedria ths Dhmokratias.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa mas peite, ep` aytoy, gia th synanthsh poy exei o k. Roysopoylos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ayth thn wra;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia mia eqimotypikh synanthsh, gia thn opoia eixan synennohqei oi dyo pleyres edw kai ligo kairo. O k. Roysopoylos, allwste, exei me ton Proedro k. Stefanopoylo makra gnwrimia.

GALIATSATOS: Grafthke shmera se polles efhmerides oti h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai eidikotera o Epitropos gia tis eswterikes ypoqeseis meleta metra, prosfygh enantion toy nomoy toy basikoy metoxoy. Epishs, grafthke oti yparxei hdh dikastikh prosfygh enantion ths Ellados gi` ayto to qema. Qa hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh exei tetoia plhroforhsh h th diaceydei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoia plhroforhsh.

XIWTHS: Exei dhlwsei polles fores h kybernhsh, oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, oti den tiqetai qema Asfalistikoy. Profanws, qa to epanalabete kai eseis shmera. Qelw na rwthsw, poios einai o logos poy kalei se dialogo o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias apo xqes toys endiaferomenoys foreis; Gia ti pragma na ginei dialogos apo th stigmh poy den qa katalhjei kapoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipe ayto akribws o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Eipe oti h kybernhsh den fobatai to dialogo, den epiqymei na empodisei to dialogo ean oi koinwnikoi etairoi krinoyn oti qeloyn na ton kanoyn.

XIWTHS: Den nomizw oti eipe ayto akribws, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas lew th qesh ths kybernhshs.

XIWTHS: H qesh ths kybernhshs poia einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth poy sas anefera molis twra.

XIWTHS: Oti einai eleyqeroi oi foreis na kanoyn metajy toys dialogo;

ANTWNAROS: Ean krinoyn oti qeloyn na kanoyn dialogo, fysika kai einai eleyqeroi na ton kanoyn. H kybernhsh den exei logo na ton empodisei to dialogo.

XIWTHS: Kai to apotelesma aytoy toy dialogoy, h kybernhsh ti qa to kanei; Qa to ajiopoihsei; Den qa to ajiopoihsei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei arxisei o dialogos twn koinwnikwn etairwn ston opoion anafereste kai moy zhtate na problecw ti qa ginei, ean qa yparjei dialogos kai ean o dialogos katalhgei se symperasma, se apotelesmata;

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe sas erwtw dioti to dhlwse xqes o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai eikazw oti otan dhlwnei o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias gia ena toso shmantiko qema oti prepei na jekinhsei dialogos@

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos k. Alogoskoyfhs -kai epeidh hmoyn parwn- den eipe oti prepei na anoijei dialogos.

XIWTHS: Den eipa pws eipe oti ``prepei''.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ayto eipate molis twra.

XIWTHS: Egine xqes mia synenteyjh Typoy. O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias o opoios gnwrizei kala pleon thn politikh, epikentrwse ta osa eipe sthn anagkh toy dialogoy gia to Asfalistiko. To symperasma to diko moy @ den eiste ypoxrewmenos na to yioqethsete- einai h oti h kybernhsh kati exei sto myalo ths gia to Asfalistiko h qymatai to Asfalistiko opote qelei na krycei kapoio allo qema, opws einai ta prosqeta metra gia thn oikonomia, poy fhmologoyntai.

ANTWNAROS: Osa eipa prin apo tria lepta, ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn.

GALIATSATOS: Gia na oloklhrwsoyme me ayto to erwthma, yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh anoigmatos Asfalistikoy kai agoras ergasias h den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa kai ejakoloyqei na isxyei h apanthsh moy.

GKOYTZANHS: Se ayto to dialogo poy qa jekinhsoyn oi koinwnikoi etairoi, mias kai to kratos einai apo toys basikoys endiaferomenoys kai emplekomenoys, qa symmetasxei h kybernhsh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Milate panta ypoqetika.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den einai ypoqetika. Einai panw stis apanthseis poy mas dwsate. Mas eipate oti an qeloyn oi koinwnikoi etairoi na arxisoyn dialogo, tote mporoyn na arxisoyn. Ayto eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti h kybernhsh den fobatai to dialogo poy endexomenws qa qelhsoyn na anoijoyn oi koinwnikoi etairoi. Den exei kamia proqesh na empodisei enan tetoio dialogo, ocepote ginei.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai poly aplo ayto poy rwtaw: Epeidh to kratos einai ``o tritos'' sto Asfalistiko qema, h kybernhsh qa symmetexei s` ayto to dialogo h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: As doyme ti qeloyn na kanoyn oi alloi koinwnikoi etairoi kai tote h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

Eyxaristw poly.

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