Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-01-24

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Aqhna, 24 Ianoyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

H paroysia ellhnikwn monadwn se jenes xwres, opws metajy allwn sto Afganistan, entassetai sto plaisio ths symbolhs ths xwras mas se dieqneis epixeirhseis poy diejagontai katopin sygkekrimenwn apofasewn twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai aposkopoyn sthn yposthrijh ths dieqnoys eirhnhs kai asfaleias. H anagkh gia thn apokatastash toy kratoys dikaioy kai eirhnhs sto Afganistan, mazi me th diasfalish ths staqerothtas sthn eyryterh perioxh, apoteloyn toys logoys gia toys opoioys h Ellada apofasise to 2002, symfwna me thn apofash 1386/01 toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, na symmetasxei sthn polyeqnikh eirhneytikh dynamh toy OHE. Shmera -kai pantote sto plaisio olwn twn sxetikwn apofasewn toy OHE- h Ellada apofasise thn anabaqmish ths syneisforas ths mesw ths diaqeshs mias iatronoshleytikhs monadas, dynamikothtas 30 klinwn, h opoia programmatizetai na parameinei sto Afganistan gia diasthma 18 mhnwn kai qa apartizetai kata 40% apo ellhniko proswpiko. H apofash ayth gia thn paroxh ths noshleytikhs monadas, ychlhs shmasias kai kostoys, oloklhrwnei thn polysxidh syneisfora ths xwras mas sthn perioxh kai aposkopei sth dhmioyrgia periballontos eirhnhs, asfaleias kai staqerothtas, proypoqeseis aparaithtes gia th beltiwsh ths diabiwshs twn lawn ths eyryterhs perioxhs.

Sxetika me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

@ Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata poy sxetizontai me to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Stis 18.00, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Tasso Papadopoylo.

@ Thn Tetarth, 26 Ianoyarioy, stis 10.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy, sto plaisio twn synergasiwn poy exei me tis politikes hgesies olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn, me ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Boylgarakh kai ton Yfypoyrgo k. Markogiannakh.

@ Thn Pempth, 27 Ianoyarioy, stis 10.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Ypoyrgo Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Abramopoylo kai ton Yfypoyrgo k. Liasko.

@ Thn Paraskeyh, 28 Ianoyarioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, stis 10.30 to prwi, me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyra.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me thn anakoinwsh poy mas kanate prin apo ligo, qa hqela na jerw an ayto apotelei mia apofash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, xwris na yparxei kapoia synennohsh me tis HPA, ton OHE, me kapoies apo tis dynameis, an mas zhthqhke. Pws, dhladh, twra lambanoyme ayth thn apofash;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada metexei apo to 2002 se oles tis prospaqeies gia th staqeropoihsh ths katastashs sto Afganistan. Metexei me mh maximes monades twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Sto plaisio ayto kriqhke oti h xwra mas qelei na syneisferei kati parapanw me thn apostolh ayths ths monadas poy qa enisxysei tis prospaqeies wste na staqeropoihqei apotelesmatika h katastash.

TSIODRAS: Oikeia boylhsei, dhladh, ektimhsame oti exoyme ligoys ekei, as dwsoyme kati parapanw, as steiloyme kapoioys epipleon;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ginontai sto plaisio antallaghs apocewn me ta alla krath toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn poy metexoyn se ayth th syllogikh prospaqeia.

TSIODRAS: Mporeite na mas peite endeiktika kapoia krath;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia polla krath, eyrwpaika kai mh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxei endexomeno na yparjei apostolh eirhneytikhs stratiwtikhs dynamhs kai sto Irak, me paromoia anqrwpistikh apostolh;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn anakoinwsh anaferetai oti h apofash ayth oloklhrwnei thn polysxidh syneisfora ths xwras mas sthn perioxh.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, kyrie Ekproswpe. Ean to qema teqhke, opws sas eixa rwthsei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada, apo ton Amerikano presbeyth sth synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai poio einai to kostos oxi mono ths paroysias ths apostolhs ayths poy kanoyme twra, alla kai ayths poy yparxei hdh.

ANTWNAROS: To kostos ths sygkekrimenhs symmetoxhs anerxetai synolika sta eji peripoy ekatom. eyrw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Thn wra poy o Kyprios Proedros Tassos Papadopoylos erxetai sthn Aqhna, maqainoyme oti o Proedros toy Dhmokratikoy Synagermoy, dhladh ths Kypriakhs antipoliteyshs, qa metabei to prwto dekahmero toy Febroyarioy, an exw swstes plhrofories, sthn Toyrkia. To gegonos oti o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos kalese sthn Agkyra ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs ths Kyproy, as poyme parakamptontas @an to ermhneyw swsta- ton Kyprio Proedro, problhmatizei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh; Exei enhmerwqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Ti qa paei na kanei ekei o k. Anastasiadhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw thn prosklhsh poy exei apeyqynqei ston k. Anastasiadh. Afora sth leitoyrgia enos kypriakoy kommatos.

SIDERHS: Einai poly eyxaristo poy h kybernhsh apofasise na qesei epi ``toy typoy twn hlwn'' to qema ths diafaneias sto dhmosiografiko epaggelma. Akoygetai kai apo ta ``paraqyra'' apo eyreias anagnwrisimothtas dhmosiografoys oti prepei na yparjei diafaneia. S` ayta ta plaisia ths diafaneias, h kybernhsh den qa mporoyse na zhthsei apo thn ERT na anakoinwsei me poies etairies ejwterikhs paragwghs dhmosiografikwn ekpompwn synergasthke ola ayta ta xronia kai poioi htan oi metoxoi aytwn twn etairiwn. Epishs, qa mporoyse na zhthsei apo ta Ypoyrgeia kai toys Organismoys toy dhmosioy kai toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea me poies etairies dhmosiwn sxesewn paroxhs symboylwn kai diafhmishs synergasthkan ola ayta ta xronia, ena diasthma as poyme pente h deka xronwn kai poioi htan oi metoxoi aytwn twn etairiwn. Allwste, sthn koyltoyra sas einai na maqainoyme toys metoxoys. To apedeije kai o nomos gia to basiko metoxo.

ANTWNAROS: Exete endiaferoyses protaseis. Parakalw na tis apeyqynete stoys endiaferomenoys foreis.

SIDERHS: Rwtaw an qa tis ylopoihsete.

ANTWNAROS: Gia ta qemata poy aforoyn sthn ERT, parakalw na apeyqyneste s` aythn.

SIDERHS: Ma to Ypoyrgeio sas einai o politikos proistamenos ths ERT.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi agrotes exoyn paratajei ta trakter toys enqen kakeiqen ths eqnikhs odoy kai mexri to brady, opws maqainoyme apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, anamenontai oi graptes protaseis. Pws blepei h kybernhsh th diejodo sto adiejodo poy exei proklhqei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws swsta eipate, mexri stigmhs den exoyn ypoblhqei graptes protaseis twn ekproswpwn twn agrotwn, oi opoioi proballoyn diekdikhseis. H kybernhsh perimenei eggrafws tis opoiesdhpote protaseis. @Otan katateqoyn aytes oi protaseis, oi opoies prepei na einai kalopistes kai na kinoyntai mesa sta koinotika plaisia, qa syzhthqoyn me thn epimeleia kai th sobarothta poy exei epideijei mexri stigmhs h kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei shmera ena prwtoselido dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', to opoio -synocizw gia na mh xanoyme xrono- leei oti oi times gia mia seira agrotikwn proiontwn ektos twn epidothsewn, exoyn meiwqei. Ayto shmainei oti exoyn bgei wfelhmenoi oi megalomesazontes poy exoyn sxesh me ton agrotiko kosmo. Parallhla, ta idia ayta proionta stis agores twn Aqhnwn emfanizoyn h idies times h kai megalyteres, poy shmainei oti kapoioi eynooyntai. To qema einai oti h kybernhsh s` aytoys toys deka mhnes, afhse aprostateytoys toys agrotes apenanti stoys mesazontes; Einai ena klasiko problhma toy agrotikoy kosmoy. Kai deyteron, ean h politikh ayth twn dyo Ypoyrgwn, toy k. Tsitoyridh kai toy k. Mpasiakoy, einai se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: H agrotikh politikh einai politikh ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Dhladh, xrewnetai h kybernhsh ayto poy eipe o synadelfos; Giati einai mia pragmatikothta ayto poy eipe o synadelfos.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs. Dhladh, an o k. Tsitoyridhs kai o k. Mpasiakos @ayto ypainissotan h sygkekrimenh erwthsh- askhsan proswpikh politikh xwris gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs. Kai sas apantw oti h agrotikh politikh den einai politikh memonwmenwn atomwn. H agrotikh politikh, opws kai kaqe ekfrash ths politikhs se oloys toys tomeis, einai politikh ths kybernhshs. O kaqe Ypoyrgos den askei proswpikh politikh. Oson afora to dhmosieyma, den prokeitai na to sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qelw na sxoliasete dhmosieyma kai bebaiws den qa zhtoysa na sxoliasete synadelfo. Pros Qeoy! Apla, gia thn oikonomia toy xronoy, gia na mhn kaqisw na paraqesw ta stoixeia, gia na synennooymaste to ekana. H oysia toy qematos einai oti gia mia seira proiontwn, opws einai to sitari@

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me toys isxyrismoys toy sygkekrimenoy dhmosieymatos, prosqetw egw, toys opoioys bebaiws den apodexetai h kybernhsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Thn Pempth qa ginei sto Zappeio mia syzhthsh peri dhmosiografwn, xrhmatismoy kai diaforwn allwn qematwn.

ANTWNAROS: Thn Pempth qa ginei mia syzhthsh peri sxesewn dhmosiografwn kai kratoys.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite ti stoxo qa exei ayth h syzhthsh; Qa einai dhladh mia syzhthsh genikoy periexomenoy, filologikoy periexomenoy h mia apokalyptikh syzhthsh;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos thn perasmenh Paraskeyh afierwse gyrw sto 90% toy xronoy ths enhmerwshs poy ekane sxetika me ayto to qema. Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To gegonos oti yparxoyn allepallhles syzhthseis sta thleoptika paraqyra poy ekqetoyn thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn dhmosiografwn. Den sas enoxlei;

ANTWNAROS: Den toys ekqetei, pantws, h kybernhsh. Feroyn thn eyqynh ekeinoi poy toys ekqetoyn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H kybernhsh jekinhse th syzhthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den toys ekqetei h kybernhsh. Feroyn thn eyqynh ekeinoi poy toys ekqetoyn. Ean toys ekqetoyn, opws eseis isxyrizeste.

SPYRAKH: To KKE exei kataqesei sygkekrimeno aithma gia th dhmosiopoihsh toy katalogoy.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete ta Proedrika Diatagmata kai toys nomoys poy perilambanoyn orismenes diatajeis. Opoios epiqymei na kinhqei sto pneyma aytwn twn diatajewn, den exei para na tis efarmosei.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh jekina me proqesh endexomenws na allajei se nomoqetiko epipedo, to kaqestws poy isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse o k. Roysopoylos. Den exw na prosqesw tipota mexri thn epomenh Pempth.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh eipate oti yparxoyn keimenes diatajeis. O dialogos einai sto plaisio ths efarmoghs sygkekrimenwn diatajewn;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa sto sygkekrimeno qema poy eqije h ka Spyrakh.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, alla den katalaba epeidh einai toso polyploko.

ANTWNAROS: Eipate, ean den kanw laqos, oti to KKE zhthse na dhmosiopoihqoyn oi katastaseis. Kai sas apanthsa oti yparxoyn diatajeis ths keimenhs nomoqesias, basei twn opoiwn orismena apo ayta ta qemata, mporoyn na antimetwpistoyn. Eimai bebaios oti ena koinoboyleytiko komma, opws to KKE, exei th gnwsh kai thn empeiria wste na kanei xrhsh twn dynatothtwn poy parexoyn aytes oi diatajeis.

KAKALHS: To KKE zhthse sygkekrimeno pragma. Na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta ta onomata twn dhmosiografwn, poy ergazontai sta Grafeia Typoy twn ypoyrgeiwn kai twn organismwn.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti yparxoyn diatajeis, poy orizoyn sygkekrimena pragmata. Eimai bebaios oti to KKE exei th dynatothta kai th gnwsh na kanei xrhsh twn diatajewn sta plaisia twn nomwn.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na to ejeidikeysete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Thn prohgoymenh fora, eipe o k. Roysopoylos oti yparxei problhmatismos, ean mporoyn dhmosiografoi poy kanoyn sygkekrimeno reportaz na einai kai sto Grafeio Typoy toy antistoixoy ypoyrgeioy. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Thn Pempth qa ginei syzhthsh. Se aythn qa yparjoyn symperasmata. Kai ean yparjoyn, pws qa ajiopoihqoyn; Qa ginei kapoios nomos; Ayto den mas to exete ejhghsei. Me poia proqesh paei h kybernhsh se ayth th syzhthsh;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos, thn perasmenh ebdomada, eipe kai kati poy einai apofasistikhs shmasias: Ayth h kybernhsh den pisteyei oti ayta ta pragmata lynontai me nomoys h me epembaseis. Pisteyei oti oi dhmosiografikes Enwseis, sto plaisio ths aytorryqmishs, prepei na epilysoyn ekkremh qemata ta opoia, endexomenws, yfistantai.

XIDIROGLOY: Apo th mia mas lete oti den yparxei qema kai apo thn allh mas lete oti yparxoyn ekkremh zhthmata.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ean yparxoyn endexomenws ekkremh zhthmata, ayta prepei na lyqoyn me th diadikasia ths aytorryqmishs.

XIDIROGLOY: Ean den yparxoyn ekkremh zhthmata, poios o logos toy dialogoy poy qa ginei thn Pempth;

ANTWNAROS: O dialogos polles fores einai diapistwtikos.

XIDIROGLOY: Giati h kybernhsh mas eipate oti exei diapistwsei oti den yparxoyn zhthmata.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa egw ayto to pragma;

XIDIROGLOY: Eipate oti den pisteyei h kybernhsh oti yparxei zhthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw tipote tetoio.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth sygkekrimenh stigmh poy pairnei ayth thn prwtoboylia h kybernhsh dia toy k. Roysopoyloy, ektima pws exqrika kapoioi synadelfoi dhmosiografoi strefontai enantion ths kybernhshs, ths politikhs ths kai prospaqei na balei terma se olo ayto to qema poy yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ti einai ayta poy lete; Pros Qeoy!

SOYGLERHS: Ektimhsh kanw.

ANTWNAROS: Laqos ektimhsh kanete.

GKOYTZANHS: Politika, giati hrqe enas nomos gia to basiko metoxo poy orizei kapoia pragmata se sxesh me ton Typo, qa erqei epishs enas nomos gia th sygkentrwsh twn MME, qa erqei kapoios gia thn oristikh ryqmish twn syxnothtwn, ayth h prwtoboylia entassetai sto olo plaisio ths eyryterhs politikhs ths kybernhshs gia ton Typo kai ta MME;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos anelyse dia makroy toys logoys gia toys opoioys jekinhse ayth h prwtoboylia kai anaferqhke ws pio prosfath aformh se dhlwsh-kataqesh, thn opoia ekane o Proedros ths ESHEA sthn epitroph ths Boylhs. Ola ayta ta pragmata einai katagegrammena.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, se synanthsh poy eixe thn perasmenh ebdomada me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, edwse entolh na anoijei to ergasiako me stoxo th meiwsh toy kostoys twn yperwriwn kai thn elastikh efarmogh - dhladh thn katarghsh- toy oktawroy;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi anakoinwseis poy ekane o k. Panagiwtopoylos ekeinh thn hmera.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ti qa perilambanei h atzenta ths syzhthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Papadopoylo; An mporeite na mas peite sygkekrimena dyo pragmata.

ANTWNAROS: Anakoinwseis qa ginoyn meta tis syzhthseis.

Eyxaristw poly.

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