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Aqhna, 21 Ianoyarioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairetai.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Shmera, stis 17.45, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me ton epikefalhs ths omadas twn Eyrwboyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Giannh Barbitsiwth.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfa. Stis 10.45 qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfh.

Th Deytera, 24/01, stis 9.30, qa synanthqei me ton Mixalh Kakogiannh. Stis 10.30 qa exei synergasia me thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy PEXWDE.

Esteila, prin apo ligh wra, epistoles ston Proedro ths ESHEA, ton Proedro ths ESHEMQ, ton Proedro ths POESY kai toys arxhgoys twn tessarwn koinoboyleytikwn omadwn.

Qa sas diabasw thn epistolh poy esteila stoys Proedroys twn dhmosiografikwn Enwsewn kai analogwn periexomenoy einai oi epistoles poy exw steilei stoys Proedroys twn kommatwn:

``Ajiotime k. Proedre,

Stis synanthseis poy eixame, toso thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, 14 Ianoyarioy, oso kai ligo meta thn analhch twn kaqhkontwn moy ws Ypoyrgos Epikrateias me to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths ESHEA eteqh to qema twn epaggelmatikwn sxesewn dhmosiografwn me tis Genikes Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs (prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy) kai me ta Grafeia Typoy Ypoyrgeiwn kai Organismwn toy Dhmosioy kai toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea.

Opws oloi gnwrizoyme, k. Proedre, kata kairoys exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas kriseis kai sxolia poy, me mallon ypotimhtiko gia to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma tropo, anaferontai se ekeinoys toys dhmosiografoys, oi opoioi askwntas to dikaiwma toys, opws kai se alles polles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ergazontai stoys proanaferqentes tomeis. H kritikh estiazetai kyriws sthn ypotimhtikh kat` eme gia th dhmosiografia antilhch oti yparxoyn dhmosiografoi poy mesw aytwn twn drasthriothtwn toys xanoyn ena kommati ths eleyqerias toys, poy ofeilei na exei o kaqe dhmosiografos, askwntas to epaggelma-leitoyrghma toy.

Gnwrizete, k. Proedre, oti h kalyterh lysh na antimetwpistei ena zhthma einai h me xwris foboys h paqh anafora toy se ayto. Proteinw, loipon, sto D.S. ths Enwsews sas, ths opoias qewrw timh oti apotelw melos, na syzhthsoyme anoikta to qema, orizontas toys kanones ekeinoys poy prepei na diepoyn tis sxeseis ergasias dhmosiografwn me en genei kratikoys organismoys, plhn twn amigws dhmosiografikwn organismwn, opws h ERT, to Aqhnaiko kai Makedoniko Praktoreio Eidhsewn, gia ta opoia qa akoloyqhsei allh syzhthsh sto prosexes mellon.

Sth syzhthsh ayth, k. Proedre, qa htan eyxhs ergo na symmeteixe to D.S. ths ESHEA, me protaseis poy qa symballoyn sthn oristikh ejaleich twn opoiwn skiwn yparxoyn kai meros twn opoiwn anedeixqh kata th diarkeia ths prosfaths prosklhshs sas sth Diarkh Epitroph ths Boylhs, h opoia epejergasthke to nomo gia th diasfalish ths diafaneias kai thn apotroph katastrathghsewn kata th diadikasia synachs dhmosiwn symbasewn.

Sas kalw, loipon, na symmetasxete sth dhmosia syzhthsh poy qa ginei thn Pempth, 27 Ianoyarioy, stis 9.30, sto Kentro Typoy toy Zappeioy Megaroy kai sthn opoia qa prosklhqoyn na symmetexoyn kai ekproswpoi ths ESHEA, ths ESHEMQ, ths POESY, kaqws kai ekproswpoi twn tessarwn koinoboyleytikwn omadwn.

Me thn elpida oti qa antapokriqeite se mia syzhthsh poy qa bohqhsei to dhmosiografiko klado na yphretei to leitoyrghma toy, anamenw esas kai to Symboylio sas''.

Symplhrwmatika qa hqela na pw dyo pragmata:

To prwto, afora sth qesh poy exei ekfrasei o arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias, hdh apo thn periodo poy h N.D. htan komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs: Qemata poy aforoyn sto dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma, einai qemata ta opoia prepei na aytoryqmizontai apo tis Enwseis twn dhmosiografwn, alla kai toys idioys toys dhmosiografoys. Me ayth thn energeia, se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na qigoyn qemata poy aforoyn stoys dhmosiografoys, to leitoyrghma toys kai toys kanones deontologias poy to diepoyn. Wstoso, qewroyme ypoxrewsh mas, gia toys logoys poy anaferw stis epistoles moy, na syzhthsoyme eidika gia thn omada twn epaggelmatiwn dhmosiografwn oi opoioi ergazontai @kai orqws ergazontai- sto dhmosio h ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Einai kati poy symbainei kai se alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kaqws epishs kai se alles xwres toy kosmoy.

To deytero poy qelw na shmeiwsw, einai oti eixa thn eykairia na analysw aytes tis apoceis moy -sto syntomo xroniko diasthma poy synanthqhka to prwi, sto plaisio toy eqnikoy dialogoy gia thn Paideia- toso ston Proedro toy PASOK kai arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Giwrgo Papandreoy, oso kai ston Proedro toy Synaspismoy k. Aleko Alabano. Epikoinwnhsa, epishs, thlefwnika, prin apo ligh wra, me th Genikh Grammatea toy KKE k. Aleka Paparhga. Zhthsa th syndromh toys me ekproswpoys twn kommatwn. Zhthsa epishs th syndromh toy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos ths N.D., elpizontas oti qa doqei ena telos stis opoies skies -peristasiakes h oxi den exei shmasia- spilwnoyn to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na moy ejhghsete kati, se sxesh me ayth th ryqmish gia ta Idrymata Typoy. Ypoqetika ta onomata epi praktikoy zhthmatos. An enas paradosiakos ekdoths poylaei to entypo toy h to Meso toy se kapoion allon me 100 eyrw h 200 eyrw kai erxetai kai mia trapeza, gia paradeigma, h opoia den daneiodotei ton agorasth, alla mpainei synetairos, prwton, kaqistatai Idryma Typoy entassontas thn efhmerida h to Meso sto perioysiako ths dynamiko; Deyteron, ean o pwlhths ginei metoxos ayths ths trapezas dikaioytai na emplakei se dhmosia erga, na symblhqei me to Dhmosio, se sxesh me doyleies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora stis trapezes, o nomos problepei oti mporoyn na daneiodothsoyn h na xrhmatodothsoyn sto baqmo omws ekeino poy den ejartatai to dhmosio ergo h to Meso Enhmerwshs apo thn trapeza. Den einai, dhladh, metoxos diarkws kai aenaws. Se o,ti afora sta Idrymata, prokeitai gia ryqmish poy anaferetai sta Idrymata Typoy, sta Idrymata MME. Yfistantai, hdh, tetoia Idrymata kai o nomoqeths hqele na apokleisei @opws epitassei kai to Syntagma na ginetai- tis opoies diadikasies mporei na parabiazoyn to nomo gia to basiko metoxo.

SIDERHS: Poy aposkopei ayth h prwtoboylia gia toys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai sto Dhmosio; Kai mono me ayth thn prwtoboylia epiteinete th skia, opws thn epiteinate kai sth Boylh. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Einai allo oi mayres listes @kai eseis qa prepei na tis exete, afoy tis eixan oi prohgoymenoi ypoyrgoi kai na tis dwsete sth dhmosiothta h stoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn- kai allo to na ferete toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn na diamesolabhsoyn kai na ginoyn kaqoristikoi paragontes ths sxeshs ergasias kai ths doyleias twn dhmosiografwn. H monh skia gia toys dhmosiografoys poy doyleyoyn sto Dhmosio einai oti merikoi einai argomisqoi. Einai sto xeri twn ypoyrgwn na toys baloyn na doylecoyn. Apo poy kai ws poy qa kaqorisoyn thn ergasiakh toys sxesh kai thn ergasiakh toys ajioprepeia ta kommata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws jexnate oti h prosklhsh apeyqynetai prwtistws stis Enwseis Syntaktwn. Apeyqynetai sta kommata gia to logo, ton opoio anaferw kai sthn epistolh moy: Oti, dhladh, milame gia ergasiakes sxeseis me to Dhmosio h ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Epishs, lypamai, alla jexnate oti dyo fores, sthn epistolh moy -kai ektos epistolhs- anaferqhka sto zhthma toy leitoyrghmatos toy dhmosiografoy kai sto oti den prepei kanenas na afhnei skies sto leitoyrghma. Den gnwrizw an yphrjan listes gia ``mayra xrhmata'', opws tis apokaleite. Omws gnwrizw oti egw den parelaba kamia tetoia lista kai den diaqetw kamia tetoia lista. Epeidh den prepei na peftei kamia skia se kanena dhmosiografo poy askei to epaggelma toy, to leitoyrghma toy, ergazomenos eite se Grafeio Typoy Ypoyrgeioy, Organismoy, eite sth Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, gi` ayto to logo kalesa se dhmosio dialogo tis Enwseis kai ta kommata, prokeimenoy na kaqoristoyn kanonismoi, kanones, oroi, sta plaisia twn opoiwn qa kinoyntai, etsi wste na mh menei h paramikrh skia enantion twn dhmosiografwn. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Egw qa proselqw me protaseis se ayth th synanthsh. To gegonos oti kaloyme oloys na symmetexoyn, den shmainei oti h kybernhsh qa epiballei tis apoceis ths. Kaloyme oloys, wste na breqei apo koinoy mia lysh se ena zhthma to opoio, opws gnwrizete, oti me ton a@ h b@ tropo kata kairoys paroysiazetai me dysfhmistiko tropo gia to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma. An eiste se qesh na milhsete me dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai sth Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, qa gnwrizete oti apo thn prwth moy kiolas synanthsh me ta armodia Tmhmata toys eipa pws qewrw laqos na yposthrizei kapoios oti oi dhmosiografoi aytoi den ergazontai h oti akoma xeirotera kakws ergazontai. Qewrw oti qa prepei na broyme tropoys, etsi wste na fygei h skia poy toys spilwnei se dhmosieymata poy emfanizontai kata kairoys se MME.

Se o,ti afora sth Boylh, nomizw oti den parakoloyqhsate th syzhthsh kai etsi parafrasate ayto to opoio synebh ekei. Synebh, loipon, to ejhs: Hrqe o Proedros ths ESHEA sthn Epitroph, h opoia epejergasthke to nomosxedio. Kapoia stigmh, se apostrofh toy logoy toy @kai sas kalw na to anazhthsete sta praktika- eipe, apeyqynomenos pros toys synadelfoys boyleytes toy PASOK, oti ``yphrxan ypoyrgoi poy mas elegan kaqe toso na mhn anoijoyme to syrtari gia na doyme tis listes poy doyleyei o kaqe dhmosiografos''. Den eimai oyte ayths ths logikhs, oyte ayths ths nootropias. Den hqela na pistecw oti synebaine kai ayto. To lew kalopista. Me aformh, loipon, ayth thn apostrofh toy Proedroy ths ESHEA, synebh xqes sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs kai ena epeisodio me ton prwhn Ypoyrgo Typoy k. Reppa, o opoios parennohse, qewrwntas oti aytes einai apoceis poy ejefrasa gia ekeinon proswpika. An diabasei ta praktika ths Boylhs kai an ta diabasete ki eseis qa deite oti einai teleiws diaforetikh h syzhthsh poy egine. Omws to qema den einai ti syzhthsh egine sth Boylh metajy emoy kai toy k. Reppa. Einai zhthma oysias gia emena na synanthqoyn oi dhmosiografikes Enwseis kai ta kommata kai na dwsoyn dia pantos lysh, h opoia den qa blaptei to dhmosiografiko epaggelma, to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma kai qa bohqhsei na mhn exoyme sto mellon antistoixes kathgories h yponoies apo opoydhpote ki an proerxontai. Ekei, loipon, aposkopei ayth h prwtoboylia.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti den htan dikh sas h apostrofh kai metaferete thn apostrofh toy Proedroy ths ESHEA sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Wstoso, eite afora ton Proedro ths ESHEA, eite esas, exoyme ypoyrgoys oi opoioi lene oti ekmaylizan dhmosiografoys, menoyn oi ypoyrgoi sto apyroblhto kai dhmioyrgeitai skia gia olo to dhmosiografiko kosmo. Qa prepei na mas pei kai o Proedros ths ESHEA kai fantazomai oti qa eprepe na erwthqei kai sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, poioi einai aytoi oi ypoyrgoi gia na yparxei kai h politikh eyqynh pros aytoys. Dhladh, ti mas eipan; Oti agorazan dhmosiografoys; Poioi einai aytoi oi politikoi; Den exoyn eyqynh oi politikoi; Einai sto apyroblhto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws gi` aytoys toys logoys proxwrhsa se ayth thn prwtoboylia. Pisteyw de oti ayth h prwtoboylia einai pros ofelos, prwta apo ola, toy dhmosiografikoy leitoyrghmatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Epipleon menei mia skia ston tropo leitoyrgias twn dhmosiografwn genikws. Etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, se o,ti afora emena. Eimai bebaios oti den xrhsimopoihsa oyte shmera, oyte alles fores, se kat` idian syzhthseis mazi sas h se dhmosies syzhthseis, thn opoiadhpote aixmh -gi` ayto kai frontisa na to epishmanw stis epistoles moy- enantion toy opoioydhpote dhmosiografoy. Allwste, yphrja melos ths dhmosiografikhs oikogeneias gia 20 xronia.

SOYGLERHS: Ws Ypoyrgos Typoy pleon, s` ayto to diasthma poy eiste Ypoyrgos, exete mia diaforetikh eikona apo ayth poy eixate prin kai phrate ayth thn prwtoboylia ayth th sygkekrimenh stigmh; H ws Ypoyrgos Typoy blepete oti to leitoyrghma toy dhmosiografoy apenanti sthn politikh drasthriothta metajy Ypoyrgwn kai enhmerwshs kapoy mpatarei h xwlainei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora stoys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai stis dyo Grammateies toy prwhn Ypoyrgeioy Typoy exw thn eikona ayth poy periegraca prohgoymenws kai thn opoia exw gnwstopoihsei stoys idioys otan toys synanthsa. Gia kapoioys logoys, poy den qa toys krinw egw, exei spilwqei h doyleia toys. Kai den eimai egw ekeinos poy qa synexisei th spilwsh. Eimai ekeinos poy qa prospaqhsei na brei tropoys, wste na anadeijei oti aytoi poy erxontai apo to prwi kai kanoyn to wrario toys, aytoi poy kanoyn mia doyleia stis Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, oi idioi qa prepei na ejanistantai kai na mhn dexontai na toys kathgorei o opoiosdhpote. Ayth einai h proswpikh eikona poy exw apo toys deka mhnes poy briskomai edw.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dyo ta problhmata toy qematos. To ena afora stoys dhmosiografoys poy me ton enan h ton allo tropo diathroyn mia sxesh me to dhmosio tomea kai to allo afora anejelegktes xrhmatodothseis. Einai etsi; Ayto poy sas akoysa na lete xqes sthn Boylh, moy edwse thn aisqhsh oti aforoyse anejelegktes xrhmatodothseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Gi` ayto sas kalesa na diabasete ta praktika. Oydepote eipwqhke kati tetoio, oyte apo emena, oyte apo ton Proedro ths ESHEA. H frash aforoyse stoys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. H frash opws thn eipe o Proedros ths ESHEA kai thn epikalesthka sthn olomeleia ths Boylhs.

SPYRAKH: Skopeyete na dwsete sth dhmosiothta ton katalogo twn dhmosiografwn poy me ton enan h ton allo tropo diathroyn epafes me to dhmosio tomea eite sth Genikh Grammateia, eite sta Grafeia Typoy twn organismwn toy dhmosioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skopeyw, opws sas eipa, na kanw dialogo. Na kataqesw sygkekrimenes protaseis, na akoysw tis protaseis twn Enwsewn kai twn kommatwn kai ei dynaton na katalhjoyme se mia sygkekrimenh qesh.

TSIKRIKA: Ti apantate ston k. Prwtopapa poy eipe oti ``sto spiti toy kremasmenoy den milame gia skoini'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoei o k. Prwtopapas. Poios einai o ``kremasmenos'' kai gia poioy to ``spiti'' milaei.

IWANNOY: Stis protaseis me tis opoies qa pate sto dialogo ayto poy qa jekinhsei, qa yparxei kai h protash gia apokleistikh apasxolhsh; Dhladh, dhmosiografos poy ergazetai sto dhmosio den qa mporei na apasxoleite kai alloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati tetoio sth skech moy. Allwste qa htan antifatiko se sxesh me ayta poy anaferw sthn epistolh moy. Gia paradeigma, enas problhmatismos poy tiqetai einai ean kapoios dhmosiografos poy kalyptei to reportaz kapoioy Ypoyrgeioy einai antikeimeniko kai deontologiko na ergazetai taytoxrona kai sto grafeio Typoy toy idioy Ypoyrgeioy. To gnwrizoyme oloi mas kai ws enan baqmo dhmioyrgei skies. Den lew oti swnei kai kala yphretei thn politikh kapoioy Ypoyrgeioy. Parakalw shmeiwste oti ayto den exei ginei apo allh kybernhsh sto parelqon. Den qa rijw aixmh se kamia kybernhsh, alla qa mporoyse kapoios se mia eleyqerh syzhthsh na skeftei ean ayto poy sas lew symferei h oxi mia kybernhsh. Den akoloyqw th logikh toy ti qa synefere mia kybernhsh. Akoloyqw th logikh toy ti symferei to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma, giati me endiaferei poly perissotero h eleyqeria toy dhmosiografoy. Na einai oso pio antikeimenikos ginetai gia na askhsei ayto to leitoyrghma.

KAKALHS: Prokeimenoy na mh menoyn skies, opws eipate, protiqeste ws Ypoyrgos Epikrateias na dwsete sth dhmosiothta ton ariqmo kai ta onomata twn dhmosiografwn poy exoyn proslhfqei meta ton perasmeno Marth sta Grafeia Typoy, sth Genikh Grammateia, sto APE kai sthn ERT;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa oti ola ta qemata qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs thn epomenh Pempth.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an katalaba kala den protiqeste na dwsete opoiadhpote lista sth dhmosiothta. Wstoso shmera melos toy D.S. ths ESHEA milwntas se radiofwniko staqmo, kathggeile oti den toy exete dwsei kamia lista paroti yposxeqhkate ton perasmeno Aprilio se synanthsh poy eixate, oti eiste diateqeimenos na dhmosiopoihsete lista dhmosiografwn poy doyleyoyn ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea kai sto dhmosio. Pera apo to oti gia thn ESHEA einai kai hqiko to problhma logw toy kwdika deontologias, den blepete oti yparxei kai politikh ptyxh sto qema; Dhladh den yparxei zhthma diafaneias; H koinwnia den prepei na gnwrizei poios doyleyei poy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti ena apo ta melh toy D.S. ths ESHEA eqese to qema sthn prwth mas synanthsh. Apo tote h qesh moy einai h idia. Opws eipa kai sto ypoloipo D.S., an qelei as apofasisei to idio, an krinei oti aytos einai o dokimos tropos. Proswpika den qewrw oti einai o dokimos tropos to na bgei mia lista me mantalakia sta periptera. Dioti etsi einai oxi aplws ``skia'' alla ej orismoy ypoptos.

LEONTITSH: Den milame gia lista kremasmenh me mantalakia sta periptera, milame gia apolyth diafaneia. Na gnwrizei h koinwnia poios ergazetai poy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa oti kaqistatai ej orismoy o kaqenas ypoptos. Exw sxhmatisei proswpikh apoch gia thn doyleia toy kaqenos, krinontas pleon dioikhtika. Yparxoyn dhmosiografoi poy doyleyoyn me semnothta kai synepeia se kaqhmerinh bash sth doyleia toys.

LEONTITSH: Dinoyme etsi thn entypwsh sthn koinwnia oti krybomaste pisw apo to daxtylo mas. Einai cylliasmenos o kosmos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Krybomaste pisw apo to daxtylo mas otan kaloymaste na kanoyme dhmosio dialogo; Dhladh otan den ginetai dialogos, otan akoygontai kathgories enqen kai enqen, den krybomaste pisw apo to daxtylo mas; Krybomaste otan h kybernhsh pairnei prwtoboylia na anoijei dhmosio dialogo; Qa eprepe na moy peite to entelws antiqeto.

LEONTITSH: Den lew gia thn prwtoboylia. Kalws phre thn prwtoboylia. Milw gia to distagmo na doqei sth dhmosiothta h lista twn dhmosiografwn poy ergazontai sto dhmosio kai ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea, sta Grafeia Typoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw thn entypwsh oti den egine antilhpto ayto poy eipa, dhladh, oti qa ginei syzhthsh epi olwn twn qematwn me tis armodies Enwseis kai ta kommata.

GARGALAKOS: Edw kaleiste na ``krajete'' toys dhmosiografoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa na mhn exoyme syzhthseis metajy twn dhmosiografwn.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxoyn synadelfoi poy ergazontai sto prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy, yparxoyn synadelfoi poy ergazontai sta kratika radiofwna kai stis kratikes thleoraseis, yparxoyn synadelfoi poy ergazontai se Grafeia Typoy eite politikwn, eite ypoyrgeiwn. Einai enoxoi aytoi oi synadelfoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti apeyqyneste sth synadelfo sas, dioti exw pei to entelws antiqeto. Den hsastan apo thn arxh kai den akoysate osa eipa.

SOYGLERHS: Osoi dhmosiografoi ergazontai, einai asymbates oi symbaseis toys, h ergasia toys me th deontologia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh.

XIDIROGLOY: @Hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs kai na moy apanthsete eilikrina: Briskete komco ton tropo me ton opoio anoije to qema jana; O dhmosios tomeas, edw kai dekaeties, briqei kataggeliwn gia argomisqoys. Dhladh, na rijoyme to anaqema stoys dhmosiografoys kai na mhn koitajoyme na kanoyme mia genikh ekkaqarish; H kybernhsh na katagracei, poioi einai pragmatika argomisqoi kai poioi den einai sto dhmosio tomea; Sto katw @ katw, ypenqymizw oti kapoioi apo toys dhmosiografoys @egw pisteyw h pleiochfia- oi opoioi ergazontai se yphresies toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, prosferoyn ergo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, egw den aphyqyna thn kathgoria poy apeyqynate eseis stoys synadelfoys sas. Kai lypamai, dioti den qewrw oti yparxoyn kapoioi, oi opoioi apo skopoy eginan argomisqoi. Opws eipe o k. Siderhs prohgoymenws, as htan se qesh oi armodioi dioikhtikoi, eite ypoyrgoi eite alloi, na entajoyn sto systhma ergasias ton opoiondhpote. @Ara, loipon, thn kathgoria poy apeyqynate eseis stoys synadelfoys sas dhmosiografoys, den th symmerizomai. Sto deytero erwthma, ean briskw komco@

XIDIROGLOY: Egw den aphyqyna kamia kathgoria proswpika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto qema ean einai komco h akomco, den antilambanomai eilikrinws, ti ennoeite. @Htan toso safhs h topoqethsh moy stis epistoles poy esteila stoys proedroys twn Enwsewn kai sta kommata, poy pisteyw oti parelkei na apanthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa elega oti toylaxiston, proswpika, den antilambanomai to nohma mias tetoias syzhthshs, oxi epeidh qa einai dhmosia, to antiqeto. Alla apo th stigmh poy symfwna me ta praktika ths Boylhs, h epiklhsh ths anaforas toy k. Maqioydakh, dhladh ths hgesias ths ESHEA, einai gia dhmosiografoys ``poy ta pianoyn'' -kapws einai agoraios o xarakthrismos. @Ara, milame gia ejagora. O k. Maqioydakhs ypainissetai oti kapoioi dhmosiografoi ejagorazontai kai kapoioi politikoi ejagorazoyn syneidhseis dhmosiografwn. Epi toytoy qewrw oti qa eprepe na ginei syzhthsh. Apo th stigmh poy eseis lete, dhmosia, twra, oti den gnwrizete an yphrxan tetoies mayres listes me dhmosiografoys ejagorasimoys kai oyte paralabate kamia tetoia lista me ejagorasimoys dhmosiografoys, tote den katalabainw, pros ti o dialogos poy qa ginei; Gia poio pragma; Gia mia@ eikona;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas kalw na diabasete ta praktika ths Boylhs kai oxi kapoio dhmosieyma poy mporei na ta exei parafrasei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, den eipwqhke h frash ``ta pianoyn'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw thn entypwsh oti den diekoca pote kanenan poy moy ekane erwthsh. Qa parakaloysa, loipon, ean pragmatika qelete apanthsh kai oxi dhmioyrgia entypwsewn sthn aiqoysa, na afhnete na oloklhrwnw thn apanthsh moy. Prwton, sas kalw na diabasete ta praktika ths Boylhs. Deyteron, den qa epanalabw ayta poy hdh exw pei treis fores me thn eyaisqhsia toso toy politika ypeyqynoy shmera gia to xwro twn MME, oso kai toy epi 20etia dhmosiografoy. Oi erwthseis poy qetete exoyn apanthqei. O dhmosios dialogos -efoson to epiqymoyn oi Enwseis kai ta kommata- mporei na ginei kai na teqoyn poly sygkekrimena zhthmata. Edwsa, hdh, ena paradeigma. Ean h apanthsh einai arnhtikh apo tis Enwseis kai ta kommata - par` oti den apantw pote se ypoqetikes erwthseis- qa ejetasoyme alles diodoys, giati endiaferomai pragmatika na mhn yparxoyn skies se kanenan dhmosiografo kai en genei sto dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma. Giati aytes oi skies prokaloyn problhmata sth Dhmokratia. Ayth einai h apoch moy. An kanw laqos h an exw dikio, qa fanei sthn poreia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Moy eipate oti dwsate apanthsh, alla egw qewrw oti den dwsate.

POYLIDOY: Diadikastika, ayto einai syndikalistiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Edw einai qema oysias, einai gia diaplokh twn dhmosiografwn@

POYLIDOY: Oxi, den einai qema oysias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa na mh moy apodidete ekfraseis poy den xrhsimopoihsa. Oydepote eqesa qema diaplokhs dhmosiografwn. Sas kalw, loipon, na anakalesete twra.

PALAIOLOGOS: Giati na anakalesw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydepote eqesa qema, se ayth thn aiqoysa h opoydhpote alloy, diaplokhs dhmosiografwn. Profanws, den katanohsate ayta poy sas anelysa epi makron edw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den me afhnete na oloklhrwsw. H epiklhsh ths anaforas toy k. Maqioydakh, emena toylaxiston@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa, ean exete kapoia erwthsh ston k. Maqioydakh, na thn apeyqynete s` ayton.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epikalesthkate ton k. Maqioydakh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw poly, na anakalesete. Den anaferqhka pote se zhthmata diaplokhs, opws anaferate, dhmosiografwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den me afhnete. Den eipa oti eseis anaferqhkate se zhthmata diaplokhs dhmosiografwn. Eipa oti h anafora toy k. Maqioydakh, emmesws mila gia ejagorasimoys dhmosiografoys. Ekei anaferomai ston oro ``diaplokh''. Qelw na kanw eyqeia thn erwthsh: Eseis exete ypoch sas oti yphrjan sto parelqon dhmosiografoi poy eixan ejagorastei h exete ypoch, twra, oti yparxoyn dhmosiografoi poy exoyn ejagorastei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, den hsastan apo thn arxh edw; Den apanthsa se ayth thn erwthsh; Yparxei kapoios logos na apanthsw kai deyterh fora;

BAGIANOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos einai -profanws qa einai- enhmeros gi` ayth thn prwtoboylia kai ean yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn pleyra toy. Ti qa perilambanei h syzhthsh gia ta dhmosia mesa poy qa akoloyqhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei sxolio apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H syzhthsh gia ta dhmosia Mesa qa akoloyqhsei sto prosexes mellon. Otan anakoinwqei ayth h syzhthsh, qa anakoinwqoyn kai oi apoceis ths kybernhshs gyrw apo ayto to qema.

TSIODRAS: Dyo erwthseis: H prwth, an rwthqhke o k. Maqioydakhs, poioi htan oi ypoyrgoi poy elegan ``na mhn anoijoyn to syrtari''. Einai ena erwthma poy qa apeyqynoyme kai ston k. Maqioydakh, alla ean rwthqhke sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs. H deyterh erwthsh, hrqe xqes h ryqmish sxetika me ta Idrymata Typoy, ta opoia mpainoyn epishs sthn apagoreysh. Qelw na rwthsw, giati hrqan oi ryqmiseis aytes thn teleytaia stigmh; Giati den eixe problefqei prin sto nomo; Mhpws exei na kanei me dhmosieymata poy eferan sygkekrimenoys epixeirhmaties sto xwro twn MME, na skeptontai ta Idrymata Typoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sthn prwth erwthsh, parakalw na diabasete ta praktika ths Boylhs. Oson afora sth deyterh, qa sas pw oti eginan para polles tropopoihseis, katopin protasewn, eite kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, eite skecewn poy anekycan kata th diadikasia ths syzhthshs sth Boylh.

MPOTSARAKOS: Problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh ta erwthmata poy tiqentai apo to Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn sxetika me to asymbibasto twn boyleytwn; Yparxei sthn proqesh ths kybernhshs h estw kapoia skech na allajei kati se ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

TRIKAS: Yparxei mia anakoinwsh toy PASOK poy kathgorei thn kybernhsh oti pernaei th grammh ths sthn ERT, odhgwntas thn se dhmosiografika atophmata. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, xqes, sth Boylh. Kai qa epimeinw. Qewrw oti oi dhmosiografoi poy ergazontai sthn ERT kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys. Eipa kapoia pragmata, ta opoia qa hqela na deite apo ta praktika ths Boylhs. Dhmosieyqhkan orismena ej aytwn. Den qewrw, se kamia periptwsh, oti h shmerinh kybernhsh prospaqei na epibalei thn opoiadhpote kommatikh grammh mesa apo th dhmosia thleorash.

Eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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