Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-12-02

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Aqhna, 2 Dekembrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei mia dhlwsh, an den kanw laqos, toy armodioy Epitropoy k. Almoynia, sxetika me to zhthma ths apografhs, sthn opoia an apodidetai pista, oyte ligo, oyte poly olh ayth h istoria synista apodokimasia dieqnws ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den prokeitai gia dhlwsh toy k. Almoynia. Prokeitai gia mia topoqethsh, mias ypallhloy ths Epitrophs, mia dhlwsh poy gia mas den exei kamia apolytws shmasia. Shmasia exei ena kai monadiko pragma: Epiteloys egine katanohto -kai apo ekeinoys poy mexri twra eqelotyfloysan- oti oi kybernhseis toy PASOK apekryban thn pragmatikh eikona ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

SIDERHS: Den eipe o k. Almoynia oti einai diasyrmos ths xwras, oxi ths kybernhshs; Kai den qa symfwnoysate, an kanate thn aytokritikh sas, ws kybernhsh oti apla ayto poy egine htan enas syndyasmos skopimothtas kai atzamosynhs toy k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Me th symperifora toys, gia para polla xronia, oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, diesyran thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai th xwra.

GKOYTZANHS: Asxeta, me to poios thn diesyre, k. Ekproswpe, telika prokyptei enas diasyrmos gia th xwra.

ANTWNAROS: Einai dikh sas ayth h ektimhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den einai dikh moy ektimhsh. Eipate oti thn ``diesyran oi kybernhseis toy PASOK''. Ki egw lew synepws yphrje diasyrmos, alla@

ANTWNAROS: Thn diesyran oi kybernhseis toy PASOK me o,ti ekanan ston tomea ths oikonomias. H eikona ths xwras exei apokatastaqei plhrws. Ayto diapistwnei h ekqesh ths Eurostat, alla kai oi epishmes topoqethseis toy k. Almoynia.

GKOYTZANHS: Exete dei dieqnh Typo tis teleytaies hmeres. Gia paradeigma, shmera ton aggliko Typo;

ANTWNAROS: Diabazw polles jenes efhmerides kai se arketes glwsses malista.

GKOYTZANHS: Akribws. Epeidh jerw oti to kanete, gi` ayto sas rwthsa. Nomizete oti einai ikanopoihtikh h eikona poy paroysiazei shmera, gia paradeigma, o agglikos Typos gia th xwra;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh parapemcate oti th dhlwsh ayth thn ekane kapoia koinotikh ypallhlos. Mporeite na mas peite, toylaxiston, ti baqmo ferei, an dhladh einai armodia@

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na to ereynhsete eseis. To qema ayto, gia mas, exei ejantlhqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow oti ayto shmainei oti meiwnetai h opoia ajiopistia ths ypallhloy apo th stigmh malista poy einai mia kapoia ypallhlos;

ANTWNAROS: Mas endiaferoyn oi epishmes qesmikes topoqethseis toy k. Almoynia, oi opoies einai poly safeis.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, edw blepw oti leei ``yparxei megalyterh kyrwsh apo th shmerinh apajiwsh ths Elladas sto dieqnh xwro''; O k. Almoynia to exei pei ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka panw se ayto to qema. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h dhlwsh moy.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh apodexetai to sxedio twn Trapezitwn, to sxedio Sala, gia th lysh toy Asfalistikoy twn Trapezwn, poy oysiastika problepei th metakylish toy kostoys ston kratiko proypologismo kai stoys forologoymenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote tetoio. Yparxoyn syzhthseis. H kybernhsh syzhta me oles tis pleyres. Qa perimenoyme thn oristikopoihsh twn epafwn kai twn diaboyleysewn, oi opoies ejakoloyqoyn na einai se ejelijh, metajy twn ekproswpwn twn Trapezoypallhlwn kai twn ekproswpwn twn Trapezwn. H kybernhsh qa topoqethqei meta thn oloklhrwsh twn diaboyleysewn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ayto to dialogo, poy apo o,ti katalabainoyme brisketai se ejelijh kai ston opoio se kapoia stigmh qa symmetexei kai h kybernhsh, to Asfalistiko telika einai anoikto h den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den einai. Ta ejhghse o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias k. Panagiwtopoylos, o opoios qa paraxwrhsei synenteyjh Typoy shmera stis 13.30, gia ta sxetika eidika qemata.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, gia na katalabw, h kybernhsh symmerizetai thn topoqethsh toy k. Doyka, poy leei oti oi Trapezes mporoyn na analaboyn to kostos h ekfrazetai mesw toy k. Alogoskoyfh, o opoios feretai na symfwnei oti me ton Proypologismo prepei na analabei to kostos;

ANTWNAROS: Qa perimenoyme na doyme pws qa ejelixqoyn oi synennohseis metajy twn dyo pleyrwn. Dhladh, twn ekproswpwn twn Trapezoypallhlwn kai twn ekproswpwn twn Trapezwn. Aytes oi synennohseis briskontai akomh se ejelijh. H kybernhsh den qa topoqethqei prin oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi ejelijeis.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayto qa prepei na ginei mesa stis epomenes deka hmeres, giati meta efarmozontai ta dieqnh logistika protypa stis Trapezes. Mhpws, den exei qesh h kybernhsh akomh se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

XIDIROGLOY: Oloi eidame xqes ti eipe o Oikoymenikos Patriarxhs -kai malista on camera- gia tis pieseis poy dexetai to Oikoymeniko Patriarxeio, gia thn arnhsh ths Toyrkias sto qema ths epanaleitoyrgias ths Qeologikhs Sxolhs ths Xalkhs. Poies einai oi energeies stis opoies skopeyei na probei h ellhnikh kybernhsh h an exei probei se kapoies, parakalw na mas enhmerwsete, prokeimenoy h Toyrkia na sebastei th dieqnh nomoqesia kai th Synqhkh ths Lozannhs.

ANTWNAROS: Einai dedomenh h staqerh, diarkhs kai polypleyrh yposthrijh ths Elladas pros to Oikoymeniko Patriarxeio. Einai gnwsth h -edw kai polla xronia- stash ths Toyrkias enanti toy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy. Oxi mono gia mas, alla kai gia toys ``24'' etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai aytonohto oti o sebasmos twn qrhskeytikwn eleyqeriwn apotelei qemeliwdes krithrio, to opoio h Toyrkia ofeilei na ekplhrwsei, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei sthn eyrwpaikh ths prooptikh. Ayto to zhthma qetei, metajy twn allwn, se oloys toys synomilhtes toy o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Petros Molybiaths, o opoios synanthqhke shmera to prwi sth Rwmh me ton Italo omologo toy k. Fini. Argotera, shmera synantatai, sto Londino, me to Bretano ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai ayrio, diadoxika sto Berolino kai sth Biennh, me toys omologoys toy, antistoixa.

KAKALHS: Mhpws o k. Molybiaths stis epafes poy exei qetei kai to zhthma twn dhlwsewn Erntogan poy leei oti den dexetai kamia anagnwrish Kypriakhs Dhmokratias mexri tis 17 Dekembrh; Gi` ayto to paradojo, dhladh, h kybernhsh kanei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Monos sas eipate oti einai politiko kai qesmiko paradojo. To antimetwpizoyn san tetoio akribws, ta ``25'' krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, symperilambanomenwn ths Elladas kai ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

KAKALHS: Sta logia to antimetwpizoyn; Sthn prajh en ocei ths Synodoy ti kanoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete kai qa deite. H diapragmateysh brisketai se plhrh ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Poio htan to menoy twn synanthsewn toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy k. Roysopoyloy me ton Grammatea toy kommatos k. Meimarakh, alla kai thn prohgoymenh hmera me ton ypoyrgo Xwrotajias kai Periballontos k. Soyflia;

ANTWNAROS: Ti wra egine h synanthsh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes to meshmeri, stis 16:30.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ligo arga gia menoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Htan amesws meta th xqesinh politikh enhmerwsh.

BLAXOS: Ejartatai ean kanete diaita. Mporei na kanoyn diaita kai na trwne mia fora thn hmera.

ANTWNAROS: Kai oi dyo synomilhtes, stoys opoioys anaferqhkate, einai komcoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Telika poio htan to menoy, den mas eipate.

ANTWNAROS: H synanthsh ayth, alla kai alles polles apodeiknyoyn ena poly aplo pragma: Ta koryfaia stelexh ths N.D. eite briskontai sthn kybernhsh, eite sto komma synantwntai, antallassoyn apoceis kai epikoinwnoyn synexws metajy toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto menoy aytwn twn synanthsewn yphrxe kai to qema toy basikoy metoxoy; Ennow kai me ton k. Soyflia kai me ton k. Meimarakh;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai pws katalhgete se tetoia symperasmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhmosiografikes plhrofories to anaferoyn kai rwtw, ean isxyei.

ANTWNAROS: Den tis epibebaiwnw.

BLAXOS: Oyte tis diaceydete.

ANTWNAROS: Den tis epibebaiwnw. Ta ellhnika moy einai, nomizw, eparkh.

BLAXOS: Ara, tis diaceydete.

ANTWNAROS: Den tis epibebaiwnw.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Roysopoylos qa exei kai alles synanthseis me stelexh gia kafe; Gnwrizete to programma toy;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete ola ta stelexh ths kybernhshs, fysika kai o k. Roysopoylos, exoyn polles epafes kai synanthseis, poy den periorizontai sta plaisia ths kafeposias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto shmainei oti syzhtane kai alla zhthmata, opws to qema toy basikoy metoxoy h thn epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Einai dynato na mhn syzhtoyntai qemata poy apoteloyn akrogwniaio liqo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto shmainei oti exoyn apokatasthsei tis sxeseis toys h toylaxiston exoyn leianei tis diafores toys se basika zhthmata;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Symfwna me dhmoskophsh ths VPRC oi Ellhnes polites tassontai yper ths systashs ejetastikhs epitrophs. Ti sxolio exete na kanete.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

GALIATSATOS: Sthn Oykrania yparxoyn ejelijeis. Oi perissoteroi etairoi mas sthn E.E. kai oi HPA zhtoyn nees ekloges. Poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Einai eidiko qema, qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

XIWTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean synexizete na xarakthrizete prowro to zhthma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Kai ean synexizete na to xarakthrizete pote, kata thn kybernhsh, stamata ayto to qema na einai prowro, otan syzhteite genikeymena ayth thn periodo sto paraskhnio.

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote syzhthsh poy afora sthn proedrikh eklogh einai prowrh. Den gnwrizw kamia paraskhniakh syzhthsh. Eseis anafereste stis syzhthseis toy paraskhnioy.

XIWTHS: Ean qelete mporw na sas katonomasw mia synanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote syzhthsh einai prowrh.

XIWTHS: Kata thn kybernhsh mia syntagmatikh proqesmia poy arxizei kai trexei gia ena zhthma stis 8 Febroyarioy, pote stamata na einai prowrh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai, ayth th stigmh, se qesh na sas apanthsw pote arxizoyn na ``trexoyn'' oi syntagmatikes proqesmies. En pash periptwsei, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia thn proedrikh eklogh, ayth th stigmh, einai prowrh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epimenw sthn erwthsh. Yparxoyn plhrofories gia synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me proswpa kai proswpikothtes tis opoies bolidoskopei gia tis proqeseis toys h gia to endexomeno na apodexqoyn to ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ti apantate; To diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kamia tetoia synanthsh.

SOYGLERHS: Mporeite na mas kanete th dikh sas ektimhsh; Qa einai andras h gynaika;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia syzhthsh gia thn proedrikh eklogh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Telika to SDOE yfistatai; Giati, toylaxiston, oi ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan oti qa katarghqei, enw shmera diabazoyme dhmosieymata ta opoia lene oti ``jepagwnei'' to SDOE kai arxizei toys elegxoys kai ta xaratsia.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn oi dhlwseis poy exoyn kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi. Opws gnwrizete, gia th dhmioyrgia opoioydhpote neoy organoy, apaiteitai h thrhsh sygkekrimenwn diadikasiwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Mexri tote, loipon, qa leitoyrgei o ``en pollais amartiais peripeswn SDOE'', me th morfh poy exei;

ANTWNAROS: H leitoyrgia toy SDOE problepetai se nomo, toy opoioy h allagh apaitei orismenes diadikasies. Leitoyrgei, bebaiws, to SDOE shmera, opws leitoyrgoyse oloys aytoys toys mhnes.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai egw ayto rwthsa, an qa synexisei na leitoyrgei.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa oti qa synexisei na leitoyrgei. Eipa oti mexri na ginoyn oi anagkaies ryqmiseis, oloi oi foreis, ola ta organa poy yparxoyn synexizoyn na leitoyrgoyn. Ayto orizei h ennomh tajh.

BLAXOS: @Ara, pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti o k. Karamanlhs prin tis 7 Martioy elege oti h N.D. einai etoimh na kybernhsei apo thn epomenh hmera kai exoyn perasei tosoi mhnes kai akomh mas lete oti den exei ryqmistei enas nomos poy problepei thn katarghsh h th leitoyrgia toy SDOE; Pote qa einai etoimh na kybernhsei h Nea Dhmokratia, exete ypoch sas peripoy; Mhpws einai prowro to qema;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kyberna me apotelesmatikothta th xwra. Ayto den to blepoyn mono osoi den qeloyn na to doyn.

SIDERHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eixe parei prefa oti leitoyrgei to SDOE; Giati exoyme mia tromerh ysterhsh esodwn olo ayto to xrono.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se erwthmata @sas to exw pei jana s` ayth thn aiqoysa- ta opoia diatypwnontai me tropo poy periexei eirwneia h apajia.

SIDERHS: Afhste th xioymoristikh ptyxh ths erwthshs. Wraia, thn pairnw pisw kai erxomai sthn oysia: Ayto to 9mhno eixame tromerh ysterhsh esodwn, epeidh eixe apajiwqei to SDOE. Giati jafnika twra@

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh. Ta Ypoyrgeia leitoyrgoyn opws prepei na leitoyrgoyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh erxontai kai giortes @kai mias kai eimaste kai sto SDOE- ti metra skopeyei na parei h kybernhsh gia to paraemporio aytes tis meres;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Einai eidiko qema.

GALIATSATOS: Ap` ayta poy mas eipate kai epeidh h katarghsh toy SDOE htan basikh @nomizw kai h monh- proeklogikh desmeysh poy eixe analabei h N.D., na ypoqesw oti kai to SDOE qa katarghqei se orizonta tetraetias;

ANTWNAROS: Diatypwnete isxyrismoys poy den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Toso sto programma ths Neas Dhmokratias oso kai sto kybernhtiko programma, periexontai polles ejaggelies oi opoies mia-mia ginontai pragmatikothta. Epeidh dhmioyrgeite, loipon, thn entypwsh oti ena pragma kai mono, dhladh thn katarghsh toy SDOE, fainetai na hqele h Nea Dhmokratia, epishmainw oti mia apo tis basikes akrogwniaies politikes ths kybernhshs einai h katapolemhsh ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs. Ayto, profanws, qelete na to ypobaqmisete. Kai jerete oti pros ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyn ginei sygkekrimena bhmata kai anamenontai kai alla.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh exw diabasei to programma ths N.D., h sygkekrimenh frash gia to SDOE einai oti ``katargeitai''.Den einai oti ``qa'', den yparxei allos xronos, einai to ameso, einai to ``katargeitai''. An exete diabasei to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, ayth thn amesothta toy rhmatos den nomizw oti qa th breite se polles ejaggelies ths N.D. Nomizw oti den yparxei kan allh.

ANTWNAROS: To exw diabasei ki egw poly prosektika@

GALIATSATOS: Mporeite na moy dwsete ena paradeigma me ena tetoio rhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na syzhthsw edw analytika to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias. H kybernhsh proxwra me staqera bhmata sthn ylopoihsh toy kybernhtikoy programmatos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mhpws, telika, h opoia allagh aytoy toy qesmikoy organoy afora mono sth metabolh twn kommatikwn sysxetismwn entos toy organoy; Dhladh mhpws telika h allagh poy ejaggeilate kai ejhggeile proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos afora mono sthn allagh twn sysxetismwn, an qa antikatastaqoyn oi ``PASOKoi'' apo ta ``galazia paidia'' h ta ``galazia stelexh'';

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Mia tetoia aplopoihtikh proseggish poy eseis moy metaferete, den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

GKOYTZANHS: Syggnwmh, alla na to jekaqarisoyme. H frash poy sas eipa prohgoymenws oti to ``en pollais amartiais peripeson SDOE'' me th morfh poy exei shmera katargeitai, einai toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo th DEQ 2003. Den nomizw oti afhnei periqwria parermhneias. Twra eiste 9 mhnes kybernhsh. Mas lete oti qa katarghqei argotera, ejelissetai, mexri na allajei leitoyrgei, ti akribws ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Den mas ejhgeite, omws. Mas lete oti mas diafeygei pws synexizei na leitoyrgei kanonika.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to lete eseis. Sas eipa oti ena organo, oso yparxei sto plaisio ths ennomhs tajhs, leitoyrgei. Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora sth diadikasia me thn opoia qa katarghqei to SDOE, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

XIWTHS: Epeidh egine logos kai gia th synqesh twn ypallhlwn toy SDOE, sthn opoia eixe anaferqei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, blepw kai shmera dhmosieymata poy kataggelloyn kommatikes proagwges sto Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys. Exete enhmerwqei gi` ayto to qema; Ap` o,ti plhroforoymai exei ftasei kai sth Boylh. Exei sxolio h kybernhsh; Yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys proagwges eite sto SDOE, eite sto Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys;

ANTWNAROS: H epilogh kata tis proagwges h kata tis topoqethseis ginetai me kaqara ajiokratika krithria.

XIWTHS: Me sygxwreite poy qa epimeinw, alla exoyn katateqei sth Boylh eggrafa kai kapoy diabasa akomh kai to chfodeltio ths DAKE apo to opoio ta @ exoyn @

ANTWNAROS: Apo poioys exoyn katateqei;

XIWTHS: Apo boyleytes.

ANTWNAROS: Tinos kommatos;

XIWTHS: Den eimai proxeiros na sas apanthsw, alla nomizw toy PASOK.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Exei shmasia poioy kommatos boyleyths einai@

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: @apo th stigmh poy einai boyleyths toy ellhnikoy koinoboylioy, exei shmasia;

ANTWNAROS: Epiqymw na jerw poios kanei thn kataggelia.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Logiko den einai oti den qa einai boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Apantw, loipon, oti oi topoqethseis ginontai me ajiokratika krithria.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: @Ara, loipon, pros ti h erwthsh apo poio komma proerxetai o boyleyths;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti ginetai kaqara apo antipoliteytikh diaqesh. Ayto qelw na pw.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei kai dhmosieyma shmera, poy paroysiazei to eggrafo, to opoio deixnei oti ontwn to chfodeltio ths DAKE exei parei proagwges. Twra an tyxainei na htan toso ajia ta stelexh ths DAKE kai gi@ ayto na proaxqoyn, entajei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oi proagwges kai oi topoqethseis ginontai me kaqara ajiokratika krithria.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epistrecw jana sto erwthma moy: Xarakthrizete ``eidiko qema'' to paraemporio, ena qema apo to opoio to kratos xanei polla lefta.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

XIWTHS: Epeidh tygxanei na exw edw to dhmosieyma, h erwthsh einai 31 boyleytwn toy PASOK me thn opoia kaloyn ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh na enhmerwsei thn antiproswpeia gia tis allages dieyqyntikwn stelexwn sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Twra poy thn ekana sygkekrimenh, loipon, thn erwthsh mhpws mporeite na mas apanthsete;

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos qa apanthsei akoloyqwntas thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

Eyxaristw poly.

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