Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-24

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 24 Noembrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h diadikasia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs sth Boylh qa synexisei ws exei, dhladh qa pame gia porisma mexri tis 14 Dekembrioy h qa yparjei paratash twn ergasiwn h qa epispeysqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Se o,ti afora sthn leitoyrgia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, parakalw na apeyqynqeite se aythn.

TSIODRAS: Ara, isxyei h apofash gia 14 Dekembrioy; Giati, fantazomai oti einai kai politiko qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Apeyqynqeite sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph.

BLAXOS: Yparxei paraithsh toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kaneis logos na paraithqei o k. Sphliwtopoylos.

SPYRAKH: Dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora sto ejhs: Exei ypoballei o k. Zormpas thn paraithsh toy ston k. Sphliwtopoylo; Thn exei kanei dekth; Exei yparjei epikoinwnia me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa xqes, sxetika me ton k. Zormpa. Den exei allajei tipota.

SPYRAKH: To deytero erwthma einai epi ths oysias: H kybernhsh ths Elladas, se sxesh me ta antistaqmistika ofelh sthn promhqeia twn ejoplistikwn systhmatwn TOR-M1, epiqymei eggyhsh toy rwsikoy dhmosioy h eggyhsh trapezhs;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh epiqymei -antiqeta me to o,ti eixe kanei h kybernhsh toy PASOK- na ejasfalisei nomimh eggyhsh, dhladh eggyhsh h opoia prepei kai na einai symfwnh me thn ellhnikh nomoqesia. Kai aytos einai o logos poy den proxwrhsan, mexri twra, oi diapragmateyseis me thn allh pleyra.

SIDERHS: Qa mporoyse dhladh na htan kai toy rwsikoy dhmosioy;

ANTWNAROS: H eggyhsh prepei na einai symfwnh me thn ellhnikh nomoqesia. Oi eggyhseis einai dyo eidwn: Eite kratikes, oi opoies symfwnoyntai me diakratikh symbash metajy twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomikwn twn dyo xwrwn h trapezikes. Aytes monon anagnwrizei to ellhniko Dhmosio kai den prokeitai na kinhqoyme pera apo ayta poy orizoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys.

SIDERHS: Mas lete na apeyqynqoyme sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph@

ANTWNAROS: Gia qemata poy aforoyn sth leitoyrgia ths.

SIDERHS: Thn idia th systash ths Ejetastikhs, thn eixe apofasisei h Nea Dhmokratia proeklogika. Ayto htan politikh apofash ths.

ANTWNAROS: H systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs den apofasizetai proeklogika. H systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs proteinetai, basei ths problepomenhs diadikasias, efoson ftasei enas fakelos sth Boylh kai meta apo anagnwsh, meleth, ajiologhsh twn stoixeiwn toy fakeloy.

SIDERHS: Kai pws to jerame oloi proeklogika oti qa ginei mia tetoia epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ti plhrofories eixate. Egw den eixa kamia tetoia plhroforia.

BAROYXAKHS: Sta ejoplistika qemata: Yparxoyn pali dhmosieymata oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei akyrwsei th symfwnia gia ta Eurofighter. Yparxei tetoio qema akyrwshs ths symfwnias;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwse proxqes o k. Roysopoylos, sxetika me to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh den thn qymomaste@

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws na sas dianeimw to keimeno.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan lete oti den yparxei kanenas logos paraithshs toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, ennoeite oti h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos symfwnoyn kai kalyptoyn toys xeirismoys poy eixe kanei o k. Sphliwtopoylos apo ton Ioylio, opote eixe ekdoqei kai to deltio Typoy kai tis dhlwseis toy mexri kai twra; Symfwnei kai toys kalyptei aytoys toys xeirismoys;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h safhs apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws, otan rwthqhka gia th fhmologoymenh -kai mh antapokrinomenh sthn pragmatikothta- dhqen paraithsh toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, syntrexoyn logoi anasxhmatismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh oti ``ejagnizetai'' to PASOK gia ta skandala poy toy katalogize proeklogika; Parempiptontws, exei meinei kanena skandalo mexri twra;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

KAKALHS: Ennow oti me toys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs mexri twra den exei meinei kati poy na qewreitai skandalo.

ANTWNAROS: Kai pali, den katalabainw. Oses fores h kybernhsh exei anaferqei se skandala, oi ypoqeseis aytes diereynwntai me tis nomimes diadikasies.

KAKALHS: Epimenete oti einai skandalo h ypoqesh TOR-M1 h toy Xrhmatisthrioy;

ANTWNAROS: O tropos poy synhfqh h symfwnia, kaqws kai h morfh ths dhqen eggyhshs den antapokrinontai stis proypoqeseis poy orizei h ellhnikh nomoqesia. Prokeitai gia mia aplh epistolh toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs ths xwras apo thn opoia proerxetai h antisymballomenh etairia. Proypoqesh poy den eparkei, symfwna me thn ellhnikh nomoqesia. Gi` ayto ton logo, den mporese h ellhnikh pleyra na epibalei thn ylopoihsh twn antistaqmistikwn wfelhmatwn. Peri aytoy prokeitai.

SOYRMELIDHS: Meloys ths kybernhsews h ths etairias;

ANTWNAROS: Meloys ths kybernhsews apo th xwra apo thn opoia proerxetai h antisymballomenh etairia.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei olo to dioikhtiko mhxanismo na ``jecaxnisei'', na analysei h idia to qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Giati qa perimenei to endexomeno mias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, otan blepoyme s` olh thn poreia twn xronwn oti oi ejetastikes epitropes, synhqws, bgazoyn diaforetika porismata, den ``patane'' staqera kai eidika h teleytaia mas exei deijei oti brisketai se ena qolo topio.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws.

SIDERHS: Exete, omws, kai toys dioikhtikoys mhxanismoys.

ANTWNAROS: Anamenoyme th dikastikh dialeykansh. Yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies prepei na thrhqoyn.

SIDERHS: Giati den to jekinate eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Einai qemata ta opoia briskontai se ejelijh.

SIDERHS: O @SKY@ exei mia ereyna shmera poy leei oti 6 stoys 10 polites symfwnoyn me th dienergeia ths apografhs kai 49% symfwnoyn poy phge sthn Eyrwph. Noiwqete dikaiwmenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Oso eyxaristo kai an einai na diapistwnei kaneis thn apodoxh twn xeirismwn ths kybernhshs apo thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, den prokeitai na sxoliasw apotelesmata h diapistwseis dhmoskophsewn.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poios einai o logos poy epebale ston k. Prwqypoyrgo na exei diafora enos tetartoy sth synanthsh poy exei me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai me ton yfistameno toy Yfypoyrgo; Yparxei kapoio mystiko toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy den prepei na maqei o k. Balhnakhs h syzhtoyn gia ton Proedria ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, paroysiazete dikoys sas isxyrismoys ws pragmatika peristatika. Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Yparxei ena ranteboy toy k. Karamanlh -qa sas to pw egw, qa sas kanw enhmerwsh, afhste na sas kanoyme kai emeis enhmerwsh na maqete kati parapanw- me ton k. Molybiath stis 12:45. Kai ena tetarto argotera, stis 1 h wra, me ton k. Balhnakh. @H krybei kati apo ton k. Balhnakh poy exei sxesh me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai prepei na to maqei mono o Ypoyrgos kai oxi o Yfypoyrgos h syzhtoyn kati allo, endexomenws gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Mporeite na maqete kai na mas apanthsete arga to meshmeri;

ANTWNAROS: Ean yparxei kati pros anakoinwsh, qa sas enhmerwsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh th xqesinh episkech toy k. Meimarakh sto Megaro Majimoy, telika yparxei epikoinwniako problhma sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa xqes kai den qa epanelqw.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ta osa ejhggeile o k. Kaklamanhs gia thn politikh sto farmako apoteloyn kybernhtikh symfwnhmenh politikh h ejaggelies toy k. Kaklamanh.

ANTWNAROS: H katarghsh ths listas apotelei desmeysh poy periexetai sto kybernhtiko programma. Synepws, ayth h ejaggelia einai sta plaisia ths ylopoihshs toy kybernhtikoy programmatos, to opoio einai fysiko na ylopoieitai bhma-bhma me syllogikes diaboyleyseis stoys kolpoys ths kybernhshs.

SOYRMELIDHS: Epeidh prin apo 10 meres o armodios ypoyrgos gia qemata timwn farmakodapanhs k. Sioyfas anakoinwse mia politikh, o k. Kaklamanhs, giati meta apo 10 hmeres anakoinwnei mia allh politikh kai malista anaferomenos kai se qemata poy einai armodiothtas twn ypoyrgeiwn Anaptyjhs kai Ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: To qema twn farmakwn aptetai twn armodiothtwn pollwn ypoyrgeiwn. Proxqes o k. Kaklamanhs anakoinwse to plaisio mias genikhs farmakeytikhs politikhs, h opoia ypoballetai, opws kai o idios eipe, se dhmosia diaboyleysh. Mexri tis 15 Dekembrioy oloi oi endiaferomenoi @akomh kai atoma ta opoia endexomenws den emplekontai ws foreis se ayto- exoyn th dynatothta na topoqethqoyn dhmosia. Oi apoceis toys qa katagrafoyn apo toys synarmodioys foreis, oi opoioi qa katalhjoyn sto teliko plaisio.

BLAXOS: Epaneilhmmenws, o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis edw, exete pei oti eimaste se mia eleyqerh oikonomia. Xqes, omws, bghke mia ypoyrgikh apofash, poy oysiastika apagoreyei stoys emporoys na kanoyn prosfores prin ta Xristoygenna kai mexri thn 1h Febroyarioy. Ayto symferei kapoioys emporoys, alla den symferei ton aplo polith poy qelei na agorasei fqhna kai me prosfores diafora eidh, kyriws endyshs. Giati to kanete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Eimaste yper ths eleyqerhs oikonomias. Gia to sygkekrimeno eidiko qema, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

BLAXOS: Afora, omws, thn eikona ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai kat@ ejoxhn antilaiko metro.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia toys epikoinwniakoys xeirismoys, oxi ths kybernhshs, alla ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti exoyn ginei lanqasmenoi epikoinwniakoi xeirismoi apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas to teleytaio diasthma. Ean, dhladh, yparxei qema epikoinwniakhs taktikhs apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai se ti anafereste.

GKOYTZANHS: Anaferomai stoys epikoinwniakoys xeirismoys poy eixe to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, apo tis 21 Ioylioy poy egine ayto to qema, mexri shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Se poio qema anafereste; Lete oti 21 Ioylioy egine ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Stis 21 Ioylioy yphrje ena deltio Typoy kai mia epishmh anakoinwsh oti exei ginei symfwnia toy ellhnikoy kratoys me th rwsikh etairia@

ANTWNAROS: Den yphrje kamia symfwnia me rwsikh etairia. Symfwnia egine me th rwsikh kybernhsh. Prokeitai malista gia symfwnia-plaisio, basei ths opoias h ellhnikh kybernhsh proxwrei se epanadiapragmateysh twn orwn me thn etairia, h opoia ypoxreoytai na proxwrhsei sthn ylopoihsh twn antistaqmistikwn wfelhmatwn. Einai kati to opoio den frontise na kanei o,ti eixe ypoxrewsh h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Den antilambanomai, giati tiqetai to qema, th stigmh poy h kybernhsh prospaqei na ejasfalisei kalyteroys oroys apo ekeinoys toys poly kakoys kai mh apotelesmatikoys kai th stigmh malista poy h diapragmateysh ayth brisketai se ejelijh.

GKOYTZANHS: Afoy den to antilambaneste qa sas to pw egw. Giati o tropos me ton opoio olh ayth h plhroforhsh bghke pros thn koinwnia mas ekane na estiasoyme sto xeirismo kai oxi sthn oysia. To oti h kybernhsh den katafernei na dwsei thn oysia sthn ellhnikh koinwnia einai problhma ths kybernhshs, den einai problhma diko mas.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis o idios prohgoymenws xrhsimopoihsate laqos oro. Synepws, exei megalh diafora h diapragmateysh-symfwnia enos prwtokolloy plaisioy, basei toy opoioy qa ginei h symbash kai allo h symbash ayth kaq@ ayth.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh, pantws, paramenei. Oi xeirismoi poy exei kanei to ypoyrgeio Amynas kai den exoyme emeis enhmerwsh, einai problhmatikh gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw eswterika qemata allwn ypoyrgeiwn.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia ena qema, to opoio, apo o,ti katalabainw, gnwrizete kala. Qa ginoyn ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Ekloges qa ginoyn, profanws, sto telos ths tetraetias. An ennoeite prowres ekloges, den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias qa mporoyse na einai kai proswpo ektos politikhs skhnhs;

ANTWNAROS: To qema toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias einai prowro.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla o Proedros ths Dhmokratias xqes sas esteile ena mhnyma. Sas eipe ``teleiwnete me thn istoria ths proedrologias''. Giati mono h kybernhsh mporei na teleiwnei me ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Den sas apasxolei, omws, to gegonos oti o k. Stefanopoylos deixnei kai aytos opws polloi alloi aganaktismenoi me thn kwlysiergia sto qema ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Wraia. Na apanthsete ston k. Papandreoy, poy sas kalese gia mia akoma fora, opws to kanei kaqe mera, na peite to onoma toy ypochfioy gia thn Proedria ths Dhmokratias. Giati kaqystereite kai ti apantate ston k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia kaqysterhsh. H kybernhsh qa epilejei to xrono poy qa topoqethqei sto qema ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias.

SOYGLERHS: Me ayta kai me ayta, kontres sthn Ejetastikh, dhlwseis Dhmhtrakopoyloy, to qema toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, o Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos apo thn eikona ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Paroysiazete mia eikona poy den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Synepws, h erwthsh sas einai aney antikeimenoy.

BLAXOS: Me ton tropo poy apantate den to diaceydete. Me ayto to kako klima poy yparxei kai ola ayta poy bgainoyn kaqhmerina, o Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos me th leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se ayqaireta symperasmata, ta opoia gia mas den yparxoyn.

BLAXOS: Apanthsh qelw. Ta diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw kaqoloy me toys isxyrismoys sas. Den yparxei kakh eikona. Ayth einai dikh sas apoch. Synepws, h erwthsh ``ean o Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos'' einai aney antikeimenoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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