Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-10-11

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Aqhna, 11 Oktwbrioy 2004

Xairete.

Shmera stis 8:30 to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei sto deipno ths ekdhlwshs poy diorganwnei h @Herald Tribune@, sto jenodoxeio Intercontinental, me qema ``Ependyseis kai epixeirhmatikes prooptikes sth meta-olympiakh epoxh''.

Ayrio, stis 9:30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Oyggro Proedro Ferens Matl.

@Stis 11:00 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yioqetei h kybernhsh thn apoch toy ypoyrgoy Naytilias Manwlh Kefalogiannh, o opoios katonomase ws eqniko promhqeyth ton k. Swkrath Kokkalh, ws eqniko ergolabo ton k. Giwrgo Mpompola kai ws eqniko ekdoth ton k. Xrhsto Lamprakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw thn apoch ths kybernhshs oti to qema einai zhthma qesmwn kai oxi proswpwn. Apoch poy ejefrase h Nea Dhmokratia kai ws antipoliteysh. Oi qesmoi einai aytoi poy xreiazontai enisxysh se ayton ton topo gia na apofeygontai fainomena adiafaneias stis dhmosies symbaseis.

SIDERHS: Par` ola ayta, qewreite oti htan gennaiothta h afeleia toy k. Kefalogiannh h anafora onomatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw, ta osa eipe o k. Kefalogiannhs. Sas eipa poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs.

SOYGLERHS: Erxetai shmera o k. Ebert, o prwhn Proedros ths N. D. kai leei oti mono me nomo h kybernhsh mporei na kleisei to qema ths diaplokhs. Peite mas an symfwneite kai to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na shmeiwsw oti h N.D. xronia twra exei kanei idiaiterh anafora sta zhthmata diaplokhs kai sthn anagkh na yparjei diafaneia sto dhmosio bio. Prepei, epishs, na sas qymisw oti metajy twn oswn h N.D. exei pei kata kairoys kai epanelabe o Prwqypoyrgos stis programmatikes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs, anaferontai toylaxiston tria zhthmata: To prwto htan o, kata th gnwmh ths N.D., ``amartwlos maqhmatikos typos'', o opoios kai katarghqhke, me nomosxedio poy efere sth Boylh to YPEXWDE kai o kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos k. Soyflias. To deytero, einai h ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy. Opws sas exw pei, mexri to telos toy etoys, to nomosxedio gia to basiko metoxo qa katateqei sth Boylh. To trito afora thn enisxysh twn elegktikwn arxwn. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh h kybernhsh protiqetai na analabei prwtoboylies, etsi wste oi elegktikes arxes na enisxyqoyn, na qwrakistoyn kai na mporoyn, epiteloys, na apofeyxqoyn fainomena adiafaneias sto dhmosio bio. Se ayta -kai ayto einai mia apanthsh sta osa akoysa apo stelexh toy PASOK na lene prin apo liges hmeres- h kybernhsh qesmika exei hdh proxwrhsei kai synexizei na proxwra.

XONDROS: Epi toy basikoy metoxoy exete dhlwsei oti h kybernhsh prin nomoqethsei, qa kanei dialogo me ola ta endiaferomena merh. To erwthma moy einai ean qa kanei dialogo kai me ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, dioti toylaxiston apo osa lene ta kommata, blepoyme oti se qemata diafaneias, qa einai dipla, qa bohqhsoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora thn opoia kanate, egine ws apanthsh se erwthsh, ean protiqetai h kybernhsh na synomilhsei me ta endiaferomena merh. Kai h apanthsh htan kai paramenei oti opoios qelhsei na exei dialogo me thn Kybernhsh, qa ton exei. Gia paradeigma, epeidh to qema toy basikoy metoxoy exei na kanei, en pollois, me ta MME kai idiaitera me ta hlektronika MME, exoyn yparjei sto diasthma poy mesolabhse kai endexomenws na yparjoyn kai alles ews otoy katateqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh, synanthseis me tis armodies enwseis.

XONDROS: Me ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs qa yparjei dialogos; Qa parei prwtoboylia h kybernhsh gia dialogo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean kapoio komma ths antipoliteyshs qelhsei na ypobalei tis protaseis toy kai na syzhthsei me thn kybernhsh, eimaste anoixtoi.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh synexizetai me ameiwth entash h epiqesh sto proswpo sas apo proskeimenes sth N.D. efhmerides, pws ajiologeite politika kai poy apodidete thn aitia ayths ths entonhs epiqetikothta; Na sas prokatalabw, exete apanthsei hdh, alla h synadelfos Korah poy sas eixe rwthsei, eixe rwthsei pws noiwqete. Egw rwtw gia thn politikh ajiologhsh sas kai politika, poy apodidete ayth thn epiqetikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporei para na isxyei h dhlwsh thn opoia ekana prin apo merikes ebdomades. Oti dhladh exw analabei mia shmantikh ypoxrewsh, to ergo to opoio exw analabei na ferw se peras kai den protiqemai na proxwrhsw se sxoliasmo h peraiterw leptomereis anafores se qemata ta opoia anagrafontai se merida toy Typoy. Ypoxrewsh moy, loipon, einai na ejantlhsw to ergo moy, parablepontas tyxon sxolia kai tyxon pieseis.

SOYGLERHS: Einai stash dikh sas h exete kai thn parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Karamanlh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na me blepete edw@

GALIATSATOS: An den kanw laqos, sthn apanthsh poy mas dwsate prohgoymenws, mas lete oti den katalhgei se dialogo h Kybernhsh, oti opoios endiaferetai gia to dialogo, mporei na proselqei. Dhladh, an oi kanalarxes qa sas zhthsoyn dialogo, tote kai mono tote qa milhsete mazi toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti hdh exoyn ginei synanthseis kai efoson yparjei kapoio aithma -kai yparxei ayth th stigmh ena aithma gia synanthsh me thn Enwsh Idiokthtwn Thleoptikwn Staqmwn- qa ginei kai mia akomh synanthsh. Sto diasthma poy diatrejame, prepei na sas pw oti exoyn hdh ginei dyo synanthseis me thn Enwsh twn Idiokthtwn Idiwtikwn Thleoptikwn Staqmwn kai mia synanthsh me thn Enwsh Idiokthtwn Radiofwnikwn Staqmwn Attikhs. Bebaiws, qelw na sas pw -den anakoinwnontai oi dikes moy synanthseis- oti exoyn ginei para polles synanthseis kai me tis Enwseis Eparxiakwn Efhmeridwn, MME poy drasthriopoioyntai sthn eparxia, gia polla qemata poy apasxoloyn ta MME. Leitoyrgoyn de omades ergasies stis dyo Grammateies, Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, gia ola ta zhthmata ta opoia aforoyn en genei problhmata toy Typoy, eite sthn Aqhna, eite sthn Perifereia.

GKOYTZANHS: Me toys idiokthtes jexwrista exoyn ginei h qa ginoyn synanthseis, ean to zhthsoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei ginei jexwrista kamia synanthsh. Ean kapoios qelhsei na enhmerwsei thn kybernhsh gia tis dikes toy qeseis, h kybernhsh einai anoikth na akoysei.

TSIODRAS: Se ena toso megalo qema giati den krinetai skopimo na analabei h kybernhsh thn prwtoboylia kai na kalesei ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs se dialogo, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei h diadikasia ths diafaneias, opws lete. Giati perimenete apo ta kommata na sas poyn kai den lambanete eseis thn prwtoboylia na toys kalesete kai na syzhthsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly apla ta pragmata. Qelw na sas qymisw th dikh mas kaqeth diafwnia sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy, otan syzhthqhke to Syntagma ths Elladas. To tote kybernwn komma kai shmera ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh eixe entelws diaforetikh apoch. Ean allajei apoch, kaleitai na zhthsei apo thn kybernhsh na syzhthsei gia thn apoch toy.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ena h protash nomoy poy eixe kataqesei h N.D., ws ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh sth Boylh gia ton basiko metoxo, apotelei th bash toy nomosxedioy poy etoimazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: En pollois oi apoceis ths N.D. einai gnwstes kai apo thn protash nomoy. Gia to nomosxedio, den protiqemai na dwsw peraiterw leptomereies, prin katateqei sth Boylh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``Ayrianh'' apokalyptei oti o boyleyths Serrwn toy PASOK k. Koytmeridhs, feretai na exei emplakei se plastografhsh ptyxioy kai se periptwsh paranomhs meteggrafhs. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sxoliazw plhrofories poy dhmosieyqhkan. Yparxoyn armodioi foreis. To komma toy PASOK qa asxolhqei me thn ypoqesh kai qa dwsei analytikh apanthsh gia to ean yparxei h oxi problhma me ton boyleyth toy.

LEONTITSH: Kai shmera mas eipate, opws kai tis prohgoymenes fores, oti to nomosxedio gia ton basiko metoxo qa einai etoimo ews to telos toy etoys. Diaceydete, dhladh, tis plhrofories oti h kybernhsh meta tis ekmysthreyseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Mpairaktarh, epispeydei thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei polles fores oti qa katateqei to nomosxedio ews to telos toy etoys. Den epibebaiwnw kai den diaceydw tipota. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei ep` aytoy.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh exei milhsei polles fores gia th diaplokh. Mporeite na mas peite pws thn ennoei, pws thn orizei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Adiafaneis diadikasies, oi opoies emplekoyn th dhmosia zwh me idiwtika epixeirhmatika symferonta. Ofeiloyme na laboyme ekeina ta qesmika metra poy qa apokleioyn tetoioy eidoys adiafaneis diadikasies.

GKOYTZANHS: Emplokh politikwn yparxei se ayta ta qemata diaplokhs. Protiqetai h kybernhsh na labei kapoia metra etsi wste na thn periorisei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan milate gia emplokh politikwn, profanws anafereste se proswpa. Exw hdh apanthsei gia to qema. Milw gia qesmoys poy prepei na throyntai kai oi qesmoi aytoi einai bebaio oti anaferontai se proswpa. Giati, en telei, toys qesmoys se mia dhmokratika organwmenh politeia kaloyntai na yphrethsoyn kai na sebastoyn proswpa.

GKOYTZANHS: Den ennooysa sygkekrimena proswpa. Ennooysa ean enas paragontas ths diaplokhs einai genikws kai oi politikoi. Kai ean protiqetai h kybernhsh na labei metra gia na periorisei thn emplokh twn politikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Enas paragontas ths diaplokhs einai oi epixeirhmaties twn MME. Mporei na yparjei diaplokh xwris th symmetoxh politikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Basikos paragontas ths diaplokhs, kata thn apoch ths N.D., einai to gegonos oti oi qesmoi, eite den einai eparkeis, eite den throyntai otan einai eparkeis. Milhsa prohgoymenws kai gia thn enisxysh twn elegktikwn arxwn.

IWANNOY: Xqes, o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, apo th Naypakto eqese kapoies proypoqeseis gia thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn E.E. kai askhse mia emmesh, hpia kritikh ws pros toys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs, legontas oti oles aytes oi proypoqeseis tiqentai me poly eygeniko tropo, enw o idios qa protimoyse na einai pio epitaktikh h dikh mas ekklhsh pros thn Toyrkia, wste na taktopoihsei prwta toys logariasmoys ths me thn Ellada kai th Kypro, kai sth synexeia na eimaste qetikh sthn eyrwpaikh ths poreia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai sebastes oi apoceis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, tis opoies oydepote sxoliazoyme. Oson afora to qema ths Toyrkias kai tis mellontikes sxeseis ths me thn E.E. h kybernhsh exei kanei analytikh anakoinwsh, prin apo mia ebdomada, otan anakoinwqhke h Ekqesh ths Commission kai menw se ayth.

XIWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei dhlwsei polles fores oti qa epidiwjei synainetikh eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Sas dhmioyrgei problhma h xqesinh anakoinwsh toy PASOK, me thn opoia apokleietai h yperchfish proswpoy poy na proerxetai apo th N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apoch ths kybernhshs, opws exei ekfrastei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, einai na ginei prospaqeia se ena proswpo eyryterhs dynaths synaineshs. Se ayto, toylaxiston, den exw dei na antidra epishmws to PASOK. Kai o k. Papandreoy exei sympleysei. Einai, allwste, ayto poy to pneyma toy Syntagmatos epitassei. Kata ta alla, akoyw diafores apoceis apo stelexh toy PASOK, poy sygkroyontai h mia me thn allh. Den qa ypeiselqw se peraiterw sxoliasmo gia to leei kaqe stelexos toy PASOK. Pisteyoyme oti sto pneyma toy Syntagmatos exei yparjei symfwnia, se epipedo dhmosiwn dhlwsewn kai apo thn pleyra toy Proedroy toy PASOK.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na parei prwtoboylia na kaqisei me toys ekproswpoys twn kommatwn gia na broyn apo koinoy mia lysh, gia na pesoyn oi tonoi gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H eyryterh dynath synainesh exei toylaxiston dyo tropoys: Prwton thn anakoinwsh enos onomatos, to opoio kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, mporei na sygkentrwnei thn eyryterh dynath synainesh kai deytero, h syzhthsh me ta ypoloipa kommata. Ayth th stigmh den eimai se qesh na sas anakoinwsw ean qa ginei to prwto h to deytero. H kybernhsh exontas isxyrh pleiochfia, qelhsh kai diaqesh na epityxei to proswpo ths eyryterhs dynaths synaineshs, me ayth th strathgikh qa odeysei sthn anakoinwsh toy onomatos, otan erqei o katallhlos xronos.

KAKKALHS: Yparxoyn paradeigmata poy oi feromenoi ws diaplekomenoi epixeirhmaties exoyn parei paranoma erga h promhqeies apo to dhmosio; Gia na jeroyme kai se poio plaisio qa antimetwpistei h diaplokh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, se qesmiko plaisio, to opoio xreiazetai enisxysh, allagh kai tis elegktikes arxes poy qa mporoyn na kanoyn anejarthta, apo opoioysdhpote ephreasmoys, th doyleia toys.

XIDIROGLOY: Se ayto to plaisio ths syzhthshs poy ginetai gia th diaplokh parakoloyqoyme na ypoboskei mia sygkroysh metajy epixeirhmatiwn. H kybernhsh skopeyei na emplakei; Giati ayto dynamitizei kai to kalo epixeirhmatiko klima.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, se kamia periptwsh.

KYRITSHS: Mas eipate oti to zhthma ths diaplokhs qa lyqei me qesmiko tropo. Ayto shmainei oti otidhpote exei ginei mexri twra kai ola ayta poy kathggeile h N.D. ola ayta ta xronia, qa perasoyn etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti edw kai epta mhnes poy h N.D. einai kybernhsh -kai anaferw ena qema poy syzhteitai ayrio sth Boylh, kai einai to qema kapoiwn ejoplistikwn programmatwn- hdh exoyn ginei kapoies energeies, gia na dialeykanqei kata poso aytes oi diadikasies eginan me diafaneia h oxi. Ara, exete parei apanthsh sthn prajh, hdh, mesa sto prwto ejamhno.

GALIATSATOS: Sxetika me to Nosokomeio sto Xaidari, poy apokalyfqhke shmera oti leitoyrgei to miso. Epeidh, to eixe episkefqei kai o Prwqypoyrgos amesws molis ejelegh, yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs gi ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws me enhmerwse o ypoyrgos Ygeias Nikhtas Kaklamanhs, sto Attiko Nosokomeio exoyn egkriqei 300 qeseis me diagwnismo poy egine to 2002, apo to ASEP. Oi qeseis aytes den exoyn plhrwqei. Oi diagwnismoi, mesw toy ASEP, exoyn mia grafeiokratikh diadikasia, poy dystyxws kaqysterei se tetoio baqmo thn plhrwsh kenwn qesewn, wste polles fores akoma ki an plhrwqoyn, epeidh en twn metajy, exoyn syntajiodothqei kapoioi ergazomenoi, na mhn epitygxanetai h apolyta orqh leitoyrgia, enos Organismoy, opws einai to Nosokomeio, sto baqmo poy qa mporoyse na epiteyxqei ean oi qeseis eixan plhrwqei nwritera. Yparxoyn polles skeceis kai syzhthseis. O k. Kaklamanhs exei kanei dhmosiws mia dhlwsh: Oti qa proxwrhsei -kai hdh proxwra- se dialogo me toys syndikalistikoys foreis kai ta kommata, gia thn aplopoihsh tetoiwn diadikasiwn, etsi wste na plhrwqoyn poly syntoma oi qeseis, gia na mhn einai h grafeiokratia ekeinh poy ypernika thn oysia toy problhmatos.

GALIATSATOS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora thn episkech toy klimakioy ths Eurostat, poy erxetai ayrio sthn Ellada. Symfwna me tis plhrofories poy yparxoyn, erxetai na elegjei ta eth 1997-1999, dhladh ta eth kata ta opoia mphkame sthn ONE. Epeidh o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei dhlwsei oti h Ellada mphke sthn ONE me to spaqi ths, aporw giati erxetai edw to klimakio ths Eurostat, th stigmh, malista, poy oloi jeroyme, oti h Yphresia ths E.E ypokeitai sthn arxh ths symplhrwmatikothtas kai erxontai se mia xwra, monon otan ayth toys kalesei. Qa hqela na jerw, an symfwnei telika h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos me thn taktikh na epekteinoyme ayth thn apografh synexws pros ta pisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xwris na amfisbhtw ayto poy lete, qa prepei na epibebaiwsw, kat` arxas, tis plhrofories gia to skopo ths episkechs toy klimakioy ths Eurostat.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi kratoymenoi gia thn ypoqesh ths 17hs Noembrh briskontai, edw kai polles hmeres, se apergia peinas, diekdikwntas to na blepoyn apo to xwro toy aylismoy toys ton oyrano. Qelw na rwthsw pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ayto to zhthma kai an qewrei oti aytoy toy eidoys oi synqhkes krathshs peripoioyn timh gia th xwra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, yparxoyn dieqneis synqhkes poy diepoyn toys kanonismoys krathshs twn kratoymenwn apantaxoy ths ghs kai twn politismenwn kratwn. Kai, deyteron, yparxoyn apofaseis oi opoies exoyn lhfqei kai gia thn asfaleia twn kratoymenwn.

KYRITSHS: Ayto perilambanei na mh blepoyn oyrano, ke Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayto to opoio moy lete, an blepoyn h den blepoyn oyrano. Sas lew ti isxyei dieqnws, opws kai ti isxyei sthn Ellada, mia dhmokratikh kai politismenh xwra.

IWANNOY: Maqainoyme oti o k. Ramsfelnt etoimazetai na ypogracei mia Symfwnia me ta Skopia, anagnwrizontas thn me to onoma ``MAKEDONIA'' Na mas peite, an to gnwrizete, qeloyme to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa ki egw tis plhrofories. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai pws h qesh ths Elladas einai staqerh, opws ekfrasthke prosfatws kai sth Nea Yorkh kai anaferetai se sxetikes apofaseis twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai sthn endiamesh symfwnia. H ellhnikh Kybernhsh pisteyei oti prepei na ginei oysiastikos kai oxi prosxhmatikos dialogos, gia thn ejeyresh mias koina apodekths lyshs toy onomatos. Perimenoyme thn topoqethsh kai thn oysiastikh antidrash ths allhs pleyras. Se o,ti afora ayto poy moy lete, ean symbainei, tote qa proboyme se oles tis endedeigmenes energeies, sta epipeda poy apaiteitai na kinhqoyme.

PEPONHS: Ap` osa katalaba mexri stigmhs, syzhtwntas gia to basiko metoxo, tis epafes me ta endiaferomena merh tis kanei o ypoyrgos Epikrateias. Endexetai na ginoyn kai synanthseis se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei tetoia skech. Ekeino poy ofeilw na sas pw einai oti, eidika gi@ ayto to sxedio nomoy, yparxei Epitroph h opoia to epejergazetai, me ekproswpoys nomikoys toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai toy ypoyrgeioy Epikrateias.

KAKALHS: Protiqeste ws ypoyrgos Epikrateias na analabete kapoia prwtoboylia gia toys ergazomenoys ston Planet poy briskontai se apergia olo ayto to diasthma; O Planet exei parei kai adeia eidhseografikoy staqmoy, me ayth thn idiothta erwtw, qa analabete kapoia prwtoboylia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti to ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs exei asxolhqei me to qema, to opoio exei na kanei me thn apergia twn ergazomenwn kai ston tropo leitoyrgias toy staqmoy. H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai oti qa prepei na plhroyntai oi proypoqeseis twn nomwn, etsi wste oi ergazomenoi na apolambanoyn ena periballon sto opoio qa mporoyn na apodwsoyn, xwris na ginontai ypokeimena ekmetalleyshs kanenos.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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