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Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs poy asxolhqhke me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai eidikotera me qemata poy aforoyn stis sygkoinwnies kai sthn odikh asfaleia. Opws gnwrizete, sxetikes dhlwseis ekane o armodios ypoyrgos k. Mixalhs Liaphs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIDIROGLOY: Xqes, eixame mia epiqesh enantion radiofwnikoy staqmoy sthn Aqhna. Den einai h prwth fora poy exoyme mia tetoia epiqesh, enantion mesoy enhmerwshs. Ti metra protiqetai na labei h Kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na prostateysei toys anqrwpoys toy Typoy kai an pisteyei, meta to xqesino, oti exei ejarqrwqei h tromokratia.

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh katadikazei aperifrasta opoiadhpote biaih energeia enantion ths eleyqerias toy Typoy kai twn anqrwpwn, oi opoioi thn yphretoyn. @Opote xreiazetai, lambanei ekeina ta metra poy apaitoyntai, wste na diasfalistei ayto to megalo agaqo to opoio exoyn katakthsei oi dhmokratikes koinwnies.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite ti einai ekeino poy ypoxrewse thn Kybernhsh na allajei stash sto qema ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs kai na zhthsei th synainesh kai th sthrijh twn kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh den exei allajei stash. Apo thn arxh exei kanei safh th qesh ths. Yposthrizei th diafaneia kai qa enisxysei oloys ekeinoys toys qesmoys poy apaitoyntai, wste h diafaneia kai h katapolemhsh ths diaplokhs na mh meinoyn sta logia.

TSIODRAS: Me poio tropo qa epidiwjei th synainesh me tis ypoloipes dynameis, me bash to prosklhthrio poy aphyqyne xqes o k. Karamanlhs, oti oles oi politikes dynameis toy topoy mazi, prepei na katapolemhsoyn th diafqora; Kai an ayto bohqa me th dhmioyrgia ejetastikwn epitropwn. Pws mporei, dhladh, apo th mia na yparxei synainesh kai apo thn allh, kapoia melh allwn kommatwn, antipalwn paratajewn, na einai ypologa stis ejetastikes epitropes.

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh, epi toy qematos, exei safh qesh h opoia exei ekfrastei edw kai polla xronia, otan akoma h Nea Dhmokratia briskotan sthn Antipoliteysh. H qesh ayth paramenei kai twra poy h Nea Dhmokratia einai Kybernhsh. Qa thn kataqesoyme sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai me thn pleiochfia poy diaqetei h Kybernhsh qa thn yperaspistei.

TSIODRAS: Me tis ejetastikes, omws, den pyrodoteitai ena klima ojynshs, thn idia stigmh poy zhtei synainesh h Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena klima ojynshs. Antiqeta, blepoyme oti me thn apofash gia th dhmioyrgia mias ejetastikhs epitrophs @otan ftasei tetoio aithma sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai otan kriqei oti einai aparaithth kai xrhsimh mia tetoia epitroph- yphreteitai h Dikaiosynh.

SOYGLERHS: O Miltiadhs Ebert, se shmerinh synenteyjh toy sthn efhmerida APOFASH, anaferei oti se prosfath synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, afhse na ennohqei oti einai stis proqeseis ths Kybernhshs na paei se ejetastikh epitroph pera apo toys ejoplismoys kai gia to Xrhmatisthrio kai gia tis yperbaseis sta dhmosia erga, alla kai gia to ntopingk. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas exw pei, otan ftasei mia dikografia sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn, qa kriqei basei twn stoixeiwn ta opoia qa periexei. Tote mono qa lhfqei h sxetikh apofash.

MPOILE: Xqes, o k. Pagkalos xrhsimopoihse baries ekfraseis enantion toy k. Kefalogiannh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

LEONTITSH: Sto kalesma poy aphyqyne xqes o Prwqypoyrgos pros oles tis politikes dynameis na antimetwpisoyn th diaplokh, perilambanetai kai to PASOK; Giati, ej oswn gnwrizoyme, gia polla xronia h Nea Dhmokratia kathgoroyse to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, oti ejeqrece th diaplokh.

ANTWNAROS: Sto kalesma perilambanontai oles oi politikes dynameis.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean sas ikanopoiei ayto poy eipe xqes o k. Papandreoy sto geyma poy pareqese stoys koinoboyleytikoys syntaktes: ``Proxwra Karamanlh kai egw eimai edw na se sthrijw'' h pisteyete oti einai ypokritikh ayth h stash toy.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy exei ekfrasei kai sto parelqon th qesh toy, thn opoia exei katagracei h Kybernhsh.

IWANNOY: Den qewreite oti ayto poy eipe einai ena ``nai'', mia qetikh antidrash sth synainesh poy zhtaei h Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ean yparxoyn sygkekrimenes protaseis apo to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs h apo allo komma, qa tis laboyme ypoch mas.

IWANNOY: Epishs, xqes, o k. Papandreoy eipe oti ean o Kwstas Karamanlhs aisqanetai oti dexetai kai den mporei na kybernhsei, na bgei na to pei dhmosia. Symbainei kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe pote oti dexetai pieseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw na sas qesw dyo erwthseis. H mia einai oti tis teleytaies hmeres blepoyme na ejelissetai enas polemos epixeirhmatikwn-ekdotikwn symferontwn, mesa apo antipala sygkrothmata Typoy. H kybernhsh exei kati se sxesh me ayto, me dedomeno malista oti o enas paragontas emfanizetai kai ws ayqentikos ekfrasths ths boylhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den ypeiserxetai se endexomenes epixeirhmatikes antizhlies h antipalothtes, san ayth poy eseis anaferqhkate.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai h deyterh erwthsh: Otan perasate ton maqhmatiko typo, ena skelos gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras, den eixate kamia antidrash h gia na eimaste akribeis, eixate antidrash mono apo kapoia merida toy filokybernhtikoy Typoy. Alla, proxwrhse kanonika, xwris politika problhmata. Twra, enocei ths kataqeshs toy nomoy gia ton basiko metoxo, giati h kybernhsh dhmioyrgei politiko qorybo; Akomh ki an den exei lexqei h epimaxh frash peri ``ntabatzhdwn'', mhpws exei stoixeia h plhrofories h yponoies oti kapoioi qa antidrasoyn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den dhmioyrgei kanena apolytws politiko qorybo. H kybernhsh exei ena sxedio, kybernhtiko, me sygkekrimena stoixeia, sygkekrimena shmeia, to opoio qa efarmosei stadiaka kai sta xronika periqwria, ta opoia ekeinh krinei prosfora.

XIWTHS: O Proedros toy PASOK, eipe xqes oti o neos Proedros ths Dhmokratias prepei na exei treis basikes prodiagrafes: Na einai anoixtomyalos, proodeytikos kai na ekfrazei th sygxronh Ellada. Symfwneite me aytes tis treis prodiagrafes;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti qa mporoyse na diafwnhsei kaneis me mia tetoia genikh paroysiash gia to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

XIWTHS: Den einai toso genikh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw th briskw genikh. Genika apodekth, qa elega.

PALAIOLOGOS: H kybernhsh exei ypoch ths proswpikothtes poy na plhroyn tis parapanw prodiagrafes;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh -opws sas exoyme pei polles fores kai o k. Roysopoylos ki egw- qa kanei thn protash ths otan erqei o katallhlos xronos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa zhthsei th synainesh kai ths antipoliteyshs -kai toy PASOK- sto qema ths proedrikhs ekloghs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh qa proteinei to onoma toy h ths ypochfioy, ton h thn opoia ekeinh qa exei prokrinei.

IWANNOY: Yparxoyn ayth th stigmh kapoies epafes anamesa sta dyo kommata, kybernhsh kai PASOK, kapoies diergasies akribws gi ayto to qema, sthn prospaqeia synaineshs gia Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi den yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys epafes.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epanerxomai sthn erwthsh ths kas Mpoile. Sas rwthse ean exete kapoio sxolio gia thn epiqesh Pagkaloy ston k. Kefalogiannh kai eipate oxi. Ap o,ti katalaba egw, o k. Pagkalos xarakthrise ton k. Kefalogiannh akatallhlo gia to posto poy katexei. Otan arneiste na to sxoliasete shmainei oti o k. Kefalogiannhs den exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Kefalogiannhs einai Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias. Kaqe Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs apolambanei -den xreiazetai ayto na to pei kaneis me kaqara logia- ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

GALIATSATOS: Giati den ton kalyptete, omws; Giati den lete ``oxi'' ayth th stigmh;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti den sxoliazw dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Ayto ennooysa. Rwthqhka ean eixa na kanw kapoio sxolio gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy kai eipa oxi.

TSIODRAS: Xqes, sthn ekpomph toy k. Pretenterh ston thleoptiko staqmo MEGA, apokalyfqhke oti yphrxe ena porisma, to opoio efqase sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai o k. Ypoyrgos oxi mono den to elabe ypoch toy, prokeimenoy na probei se kapoies poines gia tis parabaseis oi opoies katalogizontan, alla antiqetws diorise dyo apo toys emplekomenoys se qesh epikefalhs toy PESY. Qa hqela to sxolio sas, ean yparxei kapoio qema.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei dhlwsh toy k. Kaklamanh, h opoia ejedoqh molis pro oligoy kai sthn opoia sas parapempw.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Symfwna me dhmosieymata toy Typoy shmera, o Patriarxhs me epistolh toy zhta thn plhrh efarmogh toy 10oy oroy ths Prajhs toy 1928, symfwna me ton opoio mnhmoneyetai to onoma toy stis stayrophgiakes mones. Dedomenoy oti kati tetoio mporei na dhmioyrghsei ek neoy krish stis sxeseis metajy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy kai Arxiepiskophs Aqhnwn, protiqetai h kybernhsh na labei mia prwtoboylia, wste na stamathsei to problhma, en th genesei toy;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn erwthsh thn opoia moy apeyqynate milhsate ki eseis gia ``dedomenoy'', ``oti'', ``endexetai''. Egw den blepw kamia krish. O Patriarxhs diatypwse ena aithma, to opoio qewrei oti exei dikaiwma na diatypwsei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Etsi, omws, eixe jekinhsei kai h prohgoymenh krish.

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na ginw profhths krisewn. Ean eseis qelete na kanete kati tetoio den qa mporesw na sas akoloyqhsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Se allo qema: H Olympiada, opws kai oi Paraolympiakoi teleiwsan. To Zepelin, poy eixe xarakthristei kai ``iptamenos royfianos'', giati ejakoloyqei na petaei; Kai kati synafes me ayto: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete me poio tropo oi kameres -ektos apo to na mas kataskopeyoyn stoys dromoys- bohqoyn thn kykloforia; Giati egw den exw dei kamia aposymforhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h symbash poy afora sto Zepelin exei lhjei apo tis 4 Oktwbrioy.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla petaei akomh.

ANTWNAROS: To Zepelin anhkei se mia idiwtikh etairia h opoia kai to diaqetei se endiaferomenoys, symfwna me ta dika ths idiwtika symferonta. Apo tis 4 Oktwbrioy, opws sas eipa kai prin to Zepelin den exei kamia apolytws diasyndesh, oyte me to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, oyte me thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Opws, epishs, oles oi kameres apo thn idia hmeromhnia, logw ths lhjews ths adeias poy eixe parasxei h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, den einai pleon energopoihmenes. Sto Zepelin den yparxoyn pleon kameres, alla kai an yphrxan olo ayto to systhma den leitoyrgei. Me thn eykairia ayth qa hqela na pw ta ejhs: Opws gnwrizete, exoyn ypoblhqei dyo aithseis apo to Dhmosio pros thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn: mia gia ananewsh ths leitoyrgias enos meroys apo tis kameres, poy qa xrhsimopoihqoyn gia ton elegxo ths kykloforias kai twn sygkoinwniwn sthn Aqhna kai mia deyterh aithsh poy afora ena allo meros apo tis kameres, poy einai topoqethmenes perimetrika twn Olympiakwn egkatastasewn, prokeimenoy na dieykolynqei h fylajh aytwn twn ergwn. Elpizoyme oti h Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn qa apanthsei syntoma kai qetika sto sxetiko aithma poy exoyme ypobalei, kyriws oson afora thn fylajh twn Olympiakwn egkatastasewn, oi opoies apoteloyn perioysia toy ellhnikoy laoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw kai na rwthsw, poios mas diasfalizei oti to Zepelin den synexizei na mas kataskopeyei;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti sto Zepelin den yparxoyn pleon kameres en energeia. To Zepelin petaei ayth thn wra me thn idia diadikasia, me thn opoia -fantazomai- petaei panw apo thn Aqhna ena elikoptero h alla iptamena mesa. Einai qema Yphresias Politikhs Aeroporias, sthn opoia sas kalw na apeyqynqeite gia perissoteres plhrofories. Den einai qema armodiothtos ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs.

LEONTITSH: To Zepelin, dhladh, exei kataskeyastei kai gia ``kroyazieres'';

ANTWNAROS: To Zepelin xrhsimopoieitai sto ejwteriko, kyriws gia idiwtikoys logoys.

LEONTITSHS: Opws metaforikoys h kai gia alles xrhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Kyriws, xrhsimopoieitai gia metaforikoys skopoys. Se polles xwres metaferei episkeptes panw apo ajioqeata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti mas lete twra; Oti to Zepelin petaei twra apo panw mas gia toyristikoys logoys;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa na apeyqynqeite sthn YPA gia perissoteres plhrofories. Sas eipa oti den exei kamia apolytws diasyndesh me toys mhxanismoys gia toys opoioys eixe xrhsimopoihqei to perasmeno diasthma sthn Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy toy xorhgeitai h adeia; Apo thn YPA den pairnei thn adeia; H YPA den elegxetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhghsa.

SIDERHS: Qa parei h Kybernhsh kapoia prwtoboylia sto qema ths apergias peinas stis fylakes Korydalloy; Giati, an symbei to apeyktaio, enas xwros qa dhmioyrghsei ena martyra kai qa einai pollaples oi epiptwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwse xqes o k. Roysopoylos.

GKOYTZANHS: @Htan diaforetikh h erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei, omws, h idia apanthsh: oti stis ellhnikes fylakes ginontai sebastes oles oi arxes poy isxyoyn dieqnws gia toys kratoymenoys, eite einai profylakismenoi, eite exoyn katadikastei.

SIDERHS: H katastash einai oriakh kai qa prepei h Kybernhsh na parei politikh prwtoboylia.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh einai gia thn apergia peinas, oxi gia tis synqhkes krathshs toys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh edwse kapoia metra gia aposyrsh twn paliwn motosikletwn kai malista edwse pentaeth apallagh apo ta telh kykloforias gia na doqoyn sthn kykloforia perissoteres mhxanes, para aytokinhta, gia na beltiwqei h kykloforia. Twra, blepw oti balate telh kykloforias sta papakia. Ti epebale ayth thn apofash;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

KYRITSHS: H Enwsh Texnikwn Idiwtikwn Thleoptikwn Staqmwn kathgorei thn Kybernhsh kai sygkekrimena toys ypoyrgoys Epikrateias kai Apasxolhshs oti den apofasisan mesa sto prwto ejamhno toy etoys, opws ofeilan ek toy nomoy, gia th syllogikh symbash ergasias sthn opoia qa eprepe na ypaxqoyn, me apotelesma na briskontai ermaia stis diaqeseis twn afentikwn twn kanaliwn. Kai epeidh milame gia diaplokh kai kanalarxes, qa hqela to sxolio ths Kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti prepei sto sygkekrimeno tomea, wste na mh xasei kaneis ta dikaiwmata toy.

KYRITSHS: Yphrxe proqesmia ek toy nomoy, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Eyxaristw poly.

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