Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-11-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas pw liga pragmata gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ta ypoloipa qa sas ta dwsw ayrio.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos parabreqhke sthn ekdhlwsh gia ta 75 xronia ths leitoyrgias ths Trapezas ths Ellados, sthn opoia parabreqhkan kai shmantikes proswpikothtes toy politikoy kosmoy, opws kai o neos dioikhths ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas k. Trise.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parabreqei sta egkainia toy neoy staqmoy toy HSAP, sthn Kalliqea. Stis 11.30, qa exei syskech me ypoyrgoys kai kommatika stelexh gia problhmata ths perifereias. Stis 13.00, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas Gianno Papantwnioy, enocei ths synedriashs toy KYSEA ths Pempths.

MIXAHL: Gia thn Paraskeyh isxyei to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Serres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei kanonika.

Qelw na kanw orismenes eisagwgikes parathrhseis:

H prwth afora orismena zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me th N.D.. Eidame, xqes, ton k. Giwrgo Soyflia, to syntonisth toy programmatos ths N.D., na leei -kai exw edw to apospasma ths dhlwshs toy- oti einai laqos h ekfrash "katargoyme to SDOE, antiqeta h synolikh ekfrash einai oti prepei na exoyme enan elegktiko mhxanismo. O SDOE eksygxronizetai kai toy dinontai dynatothtes kai apo pleyras proswpikoy kai apo pleyras ypodomhs na kanei poly kalytera th doyleia toy kai propantos den qeloyme na einai ena kommatiko organo". Ayth einai h plhrhs dhlwsh toy k. Soyflia, o opoios leei oti einai laqos h ekfrash "katargoyme to SDOE". Qelw na qymisw oti shmera, me alles dhlwseis toy, o k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs, o armodios tomearxhs gia thn oikonomia ths N.D., anaferetai sth dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths N.D. gia thn katarghsh toy SDOE, me th shmerinh morfh toy kai diaforopoieitai safws apo thn topoqethsh toy k. Soyflia, legontas oti kaneis apo emas den mporei na bgainei kai na leei oti ayto htan dikh moy idea. Anaferetai, epomenws, sthn topoqethsh toy k. Karamanlh, thn opoia yposthrizei, se plhrh diastash me thn topoqethsh toy k. Soyflia. Exoyme akomh ena deigma politikhs polyglwssias kai asynepeias sth N.D.. Ayto apo pleyras diadikasias. Fainetai, gia mia akomh fora, oti h N.D. politika einai mia Babel. Yparxei, omws, kai ena qema oysias. To qema oysias einai oti fainetai pws yparxoyn dynameis sth N.D. oi opoies epiqymoyn thn asydosia, th mh yparjh elegktikwn mhxanismwn. Kai ayth h diafora ayto anadeiknyei. Einai mia diafora antilhcewn, dioti polles dynameis mesa sth N.D. den qeloyn thn yparjh elegktikwn mhxanismwn, "kleinoyn to mati" sthn asydosia kai thn paranomia. Einai ayto poy mas kanei na anaferomaste sth synyparjh kryfoy programmatos ths N.D.. Qelw na elpizw oti toylaxiston gia to kalo toy politikoy mas kosmoy kai ths politikhs mas zwhs, apoceis poy piqanon exoyn allh optikh, qa epibaloyn sto komma ayto ta deonta.

Erxomai sth deyterh parathrhsh moy: Exoyme ena akomh deigma parembasewn, poy einai se eyqeia antiqesh me tis epishmes qeseis ths N.D.. Anaferomai sto ejhs: Thn idia wra poy h epishmh qesh ths N.D. kai malista h safhs kai dhlwmenh qesh toy koinoboyleytikoy ekproswpoy ths, toy k. Paylopoyloy, omiloyn gia mh parembash sta ekklhsiastika pragmata, o k. Mhtsotakhs, epitimos Proedros ths N.D., epomenws kai epilekto kai shmantiko stelexos ths, erxetai me shmerines dhlwseis toy na kanei eyqeia parembash yper ths mias apochs. Exw thn ektimhsh oti den prosferei kales yphresies o k. Mhtsotakhs me ayth thn parembash toy. Qa elega, apla, oti "rixnei ladi sth fwtia" se ena idiaitera shmantiko kai krisimo gia thn Ekklhsia mas qema. Omws, den einai mono ayto to zhthma. To zhthma einai oti gia mia akomh fora h N.D. menei ekteqeimenh. Fainetai h asynepeia kai h adynamia ths na arqrwsei enan eniaio politiko logo. Fainetai h anajiopistia ths, se ena apo ta shmantika zhthmata poy apasxoloyn ton ellhniko lao.

Exoyme, loipon, dyo kinhseis, shmera, opoy oi lejeis "anajiopistia", "anakoloyqia", "polyglwssia", xarakthrizoyn thn politikh ths N.D.. Parallhla, exoyme kai mia topoqethsh poy krybei proqeseis sygkalychs, asydosias kai paranomias, poy mas kanoyn na apokalyptoyme, gia mia akomh fora, gia thn yparjh "kryfoy programmatos" ths N.D.. "Kryfoy programmatos" epikindynoy gia ton ellhniko lao, gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

Qelw akomh na jekaqarisw kati: Kat` arxas, prepei na qesw pali ypoch sas oti to Sabbato dieceysa kapoies anafores, oi opoies yphrxan h kapoia perirreoysa atmosfaira, gia na eimai pio akribhs h kapoia erwthmata poy teqhkan apo esas, peri dhqen anasxhmatismoy. Qelw na epanelqw, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, sth dhlwsh moy toy Sabbatoy kai na jekaqarisw oti den yparxei tetoio qema kai ws ek toytoy den prepei na asxoleiste me zhthmata poy den yparxoyn. Emeis koitame th doyleia mas, to ergo mas, apenanti stoys Ellhnes polites.

Me thn eykairia ayth, epitrecte moy na shmeiwsw kai to ejhs: Opws exete dei, ton teleytaio kairo, einai pleon dedomenh h syspeirwsh toy PASOK kai h proetoimasia gia mia shmantikh politikh maxh poy exei na kanei me thn anadeijh toy ergoy mas, me thn anadeijh toy programmatos mas, ths prooptikhs mas gia thn eyhmeria toy ellhnikoy laoy kai me thn endynamwsh ths politikhs antiparaqeshs mas, apenanti sth Dejia kai to krymmeno programma ths. Gi@ ayth thn politikh maxh, o Grammateas toy Kommatos M. Xrysoxoidhs exei hdh apeyqynei prosklhsh systrateyshs pros ola ta stelexh mas. Sto xeri toys einai na thn ajiopoihsoyn.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Milate gia kryfo programma ths N.D. Mporeite na moy peite ean symmerizeste, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, thn topoqethsh toy k. Xrysoxoidh, oti h N.D. exei sygkekrimeno programma, to opoio to gnwrizoyme kai qa prepei na to antimetwpisoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: To opoio, omws, apokryptei, opws eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs.

MIXAHL: Sas rwtw ean symmerizeste ayth thn ektimhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Th symmerizomai kai prosqetw ayto poy eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs, oti h N.D. to apokryptei apo ton ellhniko lao. Giati to krybei; Giati exei seira antilaikwn metrwn. Gia paradeigma, qa sas anaferw thn epistrofh stis katadikasmenes kai antilaikes epiloges sto asfalistiko. Sigoyra yparxoyn polla, ta opoia qa anadeijoyme.

MIXAHL: Eipate gia ``ladi sth fwtia'', poy rixnei h parembash toy k. Mhstotakh sto qema ths ekklhsiastikhs krishs. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai sth nea emplokh poy shmeiwqhke metajy toy Fanarioy kai ths Arxiepiskophs Aqhnwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Synexizoyme na pisteyoyme oti o dialogos mesa sthn Ekklhsia einai h kalyterh lysh. Yparxoyn oi dhlwseis toy k. Eyqymioy poy anaferontai sth dynatothta enos dialogoy me bash kai th symfwnia toy 1928, alla kai to @status@ poy exei diamorfwqei gia 75 xronia.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti o k. Xrysoxoidhs apeyqynei systrateysh kai sto xeri toy kaqe stelexoys einai na thn ajiopoihsei. O Kwstas Laliwths, omws, shmera sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', qewrei oti oi logoi gia toys opoioys ekrine o Prwqypoyrgos oti qa eprepe na antikatastaqei apo th qesh toy Grammatea ths K.E. toy kommatos sas, den exoyn ekleicei. Kai deyteron, oi oroi gia th systrateysh poy zhta o k. Xrysoxoidhs afora ta stelexh kai zhthsan kai synadelfoi sas ypoyrgoi, epishs, den exoyn diamorfwqei oson afora to diko toy proswpo; Eseis ti apantate se ayth thn topoqethsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei me to sxolio poy ekana eisagwgika kai ayto exei th shmasia toy.

SOYRMELIDHS: H efhmerida ths Qessalonikhs ``AGGELIAFOROS'', dhmosieyse th lista tromokratikwn organwsewn poy epishma exei ekdwsei h E.E. Sth lista yparxei h ``17N'' kai o ``ELA''. Ayth h lista ferei thn ypografh toy k. Fratini kai einai prosfath. Rwtw, pws einai dynaton na exei apodexqei ena tetoio pragma h ellhnikh kybernhsh, thn wra poy kanei diabhmata pros tis HPA gia to idio qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti grafeiokratikoi logoi poy odhghsan sth mia ekdoxh, qa isxyoyn kai gia thn allh. Ayto qa lyqei armodiws. Se kaqe periptwsh h epishmh qesh twn HPA exei na kanei me thn ekfrash qetikhs apochs, h opoia kai emprakta qa apodeixqei, gia to ergo poy syntelesthke sthn Ellada gia thn patajh ths tromokratias. Ayto qa to deite poly syntoma, opws exei anaferei kai o k. Flwridhs. H ``17N'' einai sth fylakh. Epixeirhsiaka den mporei na blacei kanenan kai opws gnwrizete h akroamatikh diadikasia exei oloklhrwqei, plhsiazei sth telikh fash ths. Profanws anaparagontai grafeiokratika dhmosieymata.

SIDERHS: Sxetika me to onoma toy epixeirhmatia poy xrhmatodotoyse th ``17N'' symfwna me kapoia eggrafa, skeftetai h kybernhsh na zhthsei ejhghseis kai na diereynhsei to qema apo tis armodies yphresies;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo poion; Apo kapoion praktora poy ekane anafora sthn yphresia toy;

SIDERHS: Apo tis armodies yphresies, poy einai proistamenes toy praktora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto to zhthma den exei emplokh me emas. Afora alles xwres, alla kaqestwta kai alloys praktores. Oson afora thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, o,ti exoyme perilambanetai sth dikografia. Qelw na sas qymisw oti ginetai dikh gia th ``17N'' sthn Ellada.

SIDERHS: Ean yparxei aytos o epixeirhmatias kai drasei ayrio diaforetika;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelete na mpoyme se mia syzhthsh gia to ean, kapoy, kapote;

SIDERHS: Ma den qa mpainame, ean to diereynoysate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi armodies yphresies ta exoyn diereynhsei ola. Apo kei kai pera, o fakelos ths ``17N'' einai sygkekrimenos kai me bash ayton ginetai h dikh ths. Oi armodioi eisaggeleis exoyn sygkrothsei ton fakelo, basei toy opoioy ginetai h dikh.

SIDERHS: Skeftetai h kybernhsh na kaqierwsei to elaxisto eggyhmeno eisodhma; Rwtw giati akoysa ton prwhn yfypoyrgo k. Apostolidh shmera na egkalei ton k. Paylopoylo kai na leei ``na desmeyqeite, opws exoyme desmeyqei ki emeis''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrxan polloi apo th N.D. -kai se ayto profanws anaferetai o k. Apostolidhs- oi opoioi exoyn bgei dhmosiws kai exoyn milhsei epwnymws, gia thn anagkh yparjhs enos elaxistoy eggyhmenoy eisodhmatos, me kapoio tropo poy aytoi to ennooyn. Exw akoysei kai synadelfoys poy eklegomaste sthn idia perifereia kai oi opoioi exoyn ekfrasei tetoies apoceis. Einai logiko na erwthqei apo synadelfo boyleyth, o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos ths N.D. gia to ti exei na pei gi aytes tis apoceis. Oson afora emas, exoyme dhlwsei, kat epanalhch, oti exoyme dhmioyrghsei ena diktyo koinwnikhs merimnas kai prostasias arketa isxyro, isws apo ta isxyrotera sthn Eyrwph, ayth th stigmh, to opoio pragmatika prostateyei th zwh, thn asfaleia, thn antapokrish sta problhmata ths diabiwshs se atoma poy exoyn anagkh. To diktyo ayto exei na kanei me seira oxi mono paroxwn, alla kai energhtikwn metrwn gia thn prowqhsh ths apasxolhshs kai koinwnikhs prostasias, gia epidomata, opoy ayto xreiazetai, thn iatrikh kai farmakeytikh periqalch, se bohqeia sto spiti kai se alloy eidoys kinhseis prostasias kai synoxhs ths koinwnias mas. Me bash ayto to diktyo, to opoio exei paroysiasei o k. Reppas, eginan oi anafores toy k. Apostolidh.

SIDERHS: Desmeyetai h kybernhsh oti o xwros sta prosfygika ths lewforoy Alejandras qa parameinei prasino kai den qa oikodomhqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema gia th dhmioyrgia oikismwn, ayth th stigmh.

SIDERHS: Epeidh akoygontai diafora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn kybernhsh den yparxei kati.

BITALHS: Qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete an isxyoyn oi plhrofories poy diabazoyme se dhmosieymata, oti nayaghse telika h ypografh sxetikhs symfwnias anamesa sthn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia ston ICAO, gia to gnwsto qema twn aerodiadromwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyoyn. H dimerhs syzhthsh poy egine, paroysia kai toy dieqnoys organismoy, den katelhje se symfwnia. Elpizoyme sto mellon ayto to qema na exei mia kalyterh ryqmish. Omws, epibebaiwnetai ayto poy eixa pei, otan syzhthsame to plaisio ths genikhs symfwnias, to opoio prepei na ejeidikeyqei, oti emeis se kaqe periptwsh prostateyoyme plhrws ta eqnika symferonta mas. Me bash ayth thn arxh, thn opoia kai tote eixa ekfrasei, egine o dialogos. Dystyxws, den katesth dynato na katalhjoyme se symfwnia me th geitona xwra. Elpizoyme se mia allh fash, ayto na katastei dynato. O logos poy den katalhjame se symfwnia einai akribws aytos: Panw apo ola einai ta eqnika symferonta mas.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh jekinaei enas neos kyklos apergiakwn kinhtopoihsewn -kai to lew ayto me thn ennoia oti exoyme ena kainoyrgio mhna- h kybernhsh qa antimetwpisei me ton idio tropo, opws kai toys dyo prohgoymenoys mhnes, oles aytes tis kinhtopoihseis; Apo o,ti diabasa shmera prostiqentai kai alles kathgories ergazomenwn stis kinhtopoihseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti exoyme kataqesei pros syzhthsh kai chfish sth Boylh sxedio nomoy, to opoio eixame proetoimasei gia ta misqologia toy dhmosioy tomea. Einai misqologia poy perilambanoyn shmantikes oikonomikes ayjhseis gia toys dhmosioys ypallhloys, pantote symfwna me to dedomeno plaisio poy epitrepei h oikonomia, symfwna me tis dynatothtes poy mas parexei h anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras. Einai shmantikes ayjhseis, shmantikes paroxes poly panw apo ton plhqwrismo. Bebaiws, den ikanopoioyn aithmata ta opoia einai ejw apo tis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias, ayjhseis toy 20% k.t.l. kai poy h tyxon ikanopoihsh toys qa dhmioyrgoyse problhmata se baros twn ergazomenwn, para qa elyne, dioti qa eprepe na yparjei daneismos.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gia na mhn anaferqw se palaioteres omilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa staqw se dyo teleytaies, sto Eqniko Symboylio kai thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Qymamai kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos, tote, eixe ektimhsei oti h N.D. den exei programma, antiqetws laikizei. Einai mia asyntakth politikh dynamh, poy en pash periptwsei, den exei diamorfwsei kanena programmatiko plaisio. Rwtw ti allaje mesa se peripoy deka meres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. H N.D. pros ta ejw deixnei mia asynarthsia, se sxesh me thn anadeijh enos programmatikoy logoy. Polles fores parathroyme ena stelexos na leei to ena, allo stelexos na leei kati diaforetiko. Yparxei mia anajiopistia poy ontws xarakthrizei ton politiko logo ths N.D.. Yparxei, omws, kai h ektimhsh pws exei ena kryfo programma, to opoio stadiaka qa anadeiknyetai. Kapoies ptyxes toy exoyn hdh anadeixqei. Perilambanontai arketes ryqmiseis poy exoyn na kanoyn, eite me arsh katakthsewn toy ellhnikoy laoy, eite me dysmeneis gia ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy ejelijeis. Panw se ayto poy qa enisxyetai, oso h N.D. paroysiazei tmhmata toy programmatos ths, qa estiastei kai megalo meros ths dikhs mas politikhs antiparaqeshs.

ELENOPOYLOS: Symfwna me osa dhlwsate prin, o k. Xrysoxoidhs exei apeyqynei hdh prosklhsh -to diabazw opws to eipate eseis- systrateyshs pros ola ta stelexh kai sto xeri toys einai na thn ajiopoihsoyn. Rwtw an sygkekrimena se o,ti afora thn periptwsh Laliwth, epeidh blepw na yparxei mia ejelijh shmera stis efhmerides, h prosklhsh ayth toy k. Xrysoxoidh einai dedomenh kai den qa yparjei kati allo apo alloys, an oxi apo ton idio, ennow gia paradeigma apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa prosejate oti ekana th dhlwsh eisagwgikws.

KOYROYNIS: Yparxei kati kainoyrgio sxetika me to Klemansw, to perimenoyme h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to perimenoyme kai den epiqymoyme na erqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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