Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-10-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Oktwbrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw, eisagwgikws, oti einai se ejelijh h ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs gia ton Toyrismo. Sth synedriash metexoyn oi ypoyrgoi N. Xristodoylakhs, Kwstas Skandalidhs, Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos, Basw Papandreoy, Petros Eyqymioy, Kwstas Stefanhs, Giwrgos Drys, Eyaggelos Benizelos, Xrhstos Berelhs, Giwrgos Pasxalidhs, oi yfypoyrgoi Dhmhtrhs Gewrgakopoylos kai Thlemaxos Xythrhs, o genikos grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy Swkraths Kosmidhs, o genikos grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs Dhmhtrhs Eystaqiadhs kai o dieyqynths toy Oikonomikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kaqhghths Gkikas Xardoybelhs. Sxetikes dhlwseis qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos.

-Stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei thn kaqierwmenh synanthsh toy me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to ypoyrgiko symboylio me antikeimeno qemata apasxolhshs kai eishghth ton ypoyrgo Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Dhmhtrh Reppa.

To programma gia tis epomenes hmeres qa sas to anakoinwsw ayrio.

Qa hqela, epishs, na kanw mia dhlwsh: Katadikazoyme, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, ta aparadekta fainomena poy eginan apo orismenes omades akraiwn antilhcewn, poy xtes efqasan sto shmeio na fwnazoyn synqhmata yper twn katadikasmenwn sth syneidhsh toy ellhnikoy laoy tagmatwn asfaleias ths katoxhs. Tetoies kinhseis prepei na katadikazontai amesws. Opws prepei na katadikazetai kaqe mia apo aytes tis antilhceis ratsismoy kai jenofobias, oi opoies kai pali xqes ekanan thn emfanish toys. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti sysswmos o politikos kosmos qa katadikasei ayta ta fainomena kai aytes tis akraies omades. Perimenoyme tis sxetikes kinhseis kai apo thn pleyra toys.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie ypoyrge, se shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Eleyqerotypia" anaferetai oti yphresiakoi paragontes toy toyrkikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, kataqetontas sthn Epitroph Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn ths toyrkikhs eqnosyneleyshs, paradexqhkan oti askhqhke politikh poy parabiaze ta anqrwpina kai meionotika dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn ths Kwnstantinoypolhs kai en genei ths Toyrkias, apo th dekaetia toy '50 kai enteyqen. Exei h kybernhsh kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto kai exoyme epishmanei kat` epanalhch oti exoyn parabiastei ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Einai gnwstes oi diwjeis Ellhnwn poy eixan ginei. O laos mas ta exei zhsei. An yparxoyn sthn toyrkikh pleyra paragontes, oi opoioi -estw kai ek twn ysterwn- anagnwrizoyn tis eyqynes toys, ayto einai qetiko, gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn ta idia aparadekta fainomena.

FILHS: H Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza se ekqesh ths ektima oti sthn Ellada o emfanizomenos plhqwrismos, o opoios einai megalyteros apo to meso eyrwpaiko oro, ofeiletai sta yperkerdh twn epixeirhsewn kai oxi sto misqologiko kostos. Diaforetikh einai h ektimhsh poy exoyn kanei kai o k. Gkargkanas kai oi biomhxanoi. Kai oi dyo aytoi paragontes qewroyn oti ftaine oi misqoi kai oxi ta kerdh. H GSEE exei thn ektimhsh oti yparxei problhma me ta kerdh kai oxi me toys misqoys. Qa qelame mia ektimhsh ek meroys ths kybernhshs gia thn ekqesh ayth kai thn apoklish ektimhsewn poy yparxei apo ton k. Gkargkana.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsto na epixeirei kaneis na "rijei" tis eyqynes gia ton plhqwrismo, se opoio ycos kai an einai, stoys ergazomenoys. Ayth einai mia antilhch poy anhkei sto parelqon kai den einai antilhch poy exei o k. Gkargkanas h h Trapeza ths Ellados. Pote den eipe kati tetoio. H Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza diapistwnei oti yparxoyn, se orismenoys kladoys, epixeirhseis, oi opoies malista den einai kai antagwnistikes, poy paroysiazoyn ychla kerdh, paroti den exoyn ychlh qesh ston antagwnismo. Profanws, dioti oi epixeirhseis aytes, me kapoioys tropoys, dhmioyrgoyn yperkerdh, poy me th seira toys exoyn arnhtikh epiptwsh ston plhqwrismo. Ayto tonizei h Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza, xwris na shmainei oti den prepei na yparxoyn kerdh stis epixeirhseis. Prepei na yparxoyn kerdh stis epixeirhseis, gia na mporoyn na kanoyn kai tis ependyseis toys kai na ayjanoyn tis qeseis ergasias. Ta kerdh, omws, prepei na proerxontai apo ton ygih antagwnismo kai thn ygih epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Ayth einai mia genika swsth topoqethsh. H anagnwrish, dhladh, toy gegonotos oti ephreazetai o plhqwrismos apo kerdh poy einai "foyskwmena" se mh antagwnistikoys tomeis, alla kai oti prepei na yparxoyn kerdh apo thn antagwnistikh kai ygih leitoyrgia twn epixeirhsewn, wste na pragmatopoioyntai kai ependyseis kai na dhmioyrgoyntai qeseis ergasias. O k. Gkargkanas tonizei, kat` epanalhch, oxi oti ftaine oi misqoi gia ton plhqwrismo -qelw na to jekaqarisoyme ayto- alla oti h sygkrathsh se kapoio ikanopoihtiko, bebaiws, epipedo twn ayjhsewn stoys misqoys, mporei na apotelesei symbolh sth genikoterh prospaqeia staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs poy pragmatopoieitai sth xwra.

FILHS: Sthn ekqesh ths h Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza -dhmosieyqhke sth xqesinh Aygh me pinakes kai stoixeia- leei oti an ston plhqwrismo epidroyse mono to monadiaio kostos ergasias, tote o ellhnikos plhqwrismos qa htan mikroteros toy plhqwrismoy ths Eyrwzwnhs kata 0,32. Dhladh, einai fthno to ergatiko kostos sthn Ellada. Ara, to problhma einai ta yperkerdh oxi merikwn epixeirhsewn, ws synoliko megeqos milaei, to pososto kerdoys twn epixeirhsewn sthn Ellada. Qa hqela mia ektimhsh gi` ayto to zhthma, dioti enocei ths misqologikhs politikhs poy qa syzhthqei me ton Proypologismo yparxei ena zhthma poy exei na kanei me toys misqoys sthn Ellada. Epanalambanw oti opws leei kai h ekqesh@

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh blepete mono ayto to shmeio. Deite kai ta parakatw gia ta kerdh, giati exei shmasia@

FILHS: Ta eidame ola, opws kai mia embolimh parathrhsh poy yparxei sto telos, mia paragrafos, h opoia omws den ennoei ta arnhtika stoixeia ths ekqeshs@

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws tiqetai to qema sthn ekqesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas den exei kaneis logo na diafwnhsei. Dioti exei dyo paragrafoys gia to qema twn kerdwn: Mia poy anagnwrizei oti ta yperkerdh poy parathroyntai se orismenes epixeirhseis kai mh antagwnistikoys kladoys symballoyn ston plhqwrismo kai mia deyterh -swsth epishs- poy anaferetai sthn anagkaiothta yparjhs qetikoy apotelesmatos kai sta kerdh twn epixeirhsewn, prokeimenoy na kanoyn perissoteres ependyseis kai na dhmioyrgoyn qeseis ergasias. Apla, den prepei ayto na einai ejw apo thn pragmatikothta, dioti, se ayth thn periptwsh, pragmati kai symballei ston plhqwrismo kai den einai mia ygihs katastash sthn oikonomia. Toys to epishmainei kai kata th gnwmh mas to epishmainei poly swsta. Apo ekei kai pera, kaneis den eipe pote apo thn kybernhsh oti oi misqoi twn ergazomenwn ftaine gia ton plhqwrismo. Oyte htan dynato na to pei kaneis apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Leme, omws, kati allo poiotika diaforetiko: Mia ypeyqynh stash sto qema twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn kai twn ayjhsewn, poy bebaiws prepei na einai qetikes, sto misqo twn ergazomenwn, mporei genikotera na symbalei sth qetikh poreia kai thn antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Se ayto pisteyw oti den diafwnei kaneis.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias sthliteyse ta fainomena diafqoras kai ekane logo gia "adhfaga parasita" toy dhmosioy ploytoy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pagiws den sxoliazoyme tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Omws, mporei kaneis na pei oti aytes oi sygkekrimenes dhlwseis einai mia qetikh parainesh gia na synexisoyme akomh pio apotelesmatika thn politikh mas gia thn patajh ths diafqoras sto Dhmosio, na synexisoyme sto anoikto metwpo enantion ths diafqoras.

SIDERHS: Se ena allo shmeio toy dhmosieymatos anaferetai oti sto Dhmosio den leitoyrgei h kyrwsh. Anagnwrizete th morfh ths dioikhsews sas se ayth th frash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw sxetika me to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Apogeymatinh" gia th xorhghsh daneiwn se palinnostoyntes, th stigmh malista poy h Trapeza ths Ellados den einai symfwnh, dioti den yparxei h empragmatos asfaleia gia ta daneia ayta, ta opoia anerxontai se ycos 1,47 dis eyrw. Giati h kybernhsh proxwra se ayth th ryqmish, otan einai episfalhs h ejoflhsh aytwn twn daneiwn; H kinhsh ayth mhpws entassetai se proeklogikh taktikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia apofash, plhrws aitiologhmenh, poy exei labei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Opws exoyn tonisei o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, h kybernhsh exei analabei tis eyqynes ths apenanti stoys palinnostoyntes. Alla, qelw na qymisw oti kai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs exei tonisei prosfata oti yparxei anagkh analhchs prwtoboyliwn apo pleyras toy kratoys pros toys palinnostoyntes. Xairomai, giati o k. Karamanlhs exei zhthsei na proboyme se tetoies kinhseis kai eimai bebaios oti oloi qa symfwnhsoyme oti aytoi oi anqrwpoi xrhzoyn bohqeias, prokeimenoy na mporesoyn na prosarmostoyn sto neo periballon.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Diapistwnw, omws, k. Ypoyrge, oti ginetai enas diaxwrismos. Den isxyei gia oloys toys palinnostoyntes. Diaxwrizontai kai aytoi se kathgories.

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei h egkyklios toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, h opoia jekaqarizei ola ta sxetika zhthmata. Sas eipa th genikh kybernhtikh apoch: Skopos mas einai na bohqhsoyme toys palinnostoyntes -gi@ ayto egine proxqes kai h Diypoyrgikh, h opoia qa epanalhfqei- me sygkekrimena metra kai sygkekrimenes parembaseis, prokeimenoy na entaxqoyn, me ton kalytero tropo, ws Ellhnes kai aytoi, sthn koinwnia mas. Se ayto prepei na symfwnoyme oloi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den exw antirrhsh, zhtw dieykriniseis. Yparxei mia diafwnia metajy twn ypoyrgwn k. Xristodoylakh kai k. Farmakh kai sas ypenqymizw oti h Trapeza ths Ellados den exei egkrinei ayth th diadikasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia diafwnia metajy twn ypoyrgwn. Einai sto idio ypoyrgeio kai ypografoyn tis sxetikes apofaseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pws, loipon, qa diasfalistei oti ayta ta xrhmata qa eispraxqoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apoteloyn th symbolh toy kratoys se ayth thn prospaqeia kai bebaiws ektimw oti ta posa einai tetoia poy mporei na eispraxqoyn. Den prokeitai gia terastia posa poy kapoios den mporei na epistrecei.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Prokeitai gia 1,47 dis eyrw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai to synoliko poso. As mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. To poso poy qa labei o kaqenas -kai einai xiliades atoma- pisteyw oti den qa dhmioyrghsei problhma, oson afora thn epistrofh toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den einai proeklogikoy xarakthra h kinhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn idia logikh kai ayta poy eipe o k. Karamanlhs, o opoios anagnwrise oti to kratos prepei na symbalei sthn kalyterh enswmatwsh twn palinnostoyntwn, einai proeklogikoy xarakthra.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Rwtw gia tis energeies ths kybernhshs. Den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tis sxoliazw egw. Den mporei na yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Eimaste staqera yper twn palinnostoyntwn.

KALARITHS: Ta stoixeia ths E.E. gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia fainetai na paroysiazoyn apoklish apo ayta ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xrhsimopoieite ton oro "fainetai", dioti gnwrizete poly kala oti h sxetikh ekqesh epishmws den eixe ftasei sta xeria mas. Den mporoyme, loipon, na sxoliasoyme kati poy den exoyme labei epishmws, idiaitera se toso sobara zhthmata. Otan laboyme thn ekqesh, qa topoqethqei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai qa epanelqoyme sto qema.

FILHS: Meqayrio lhgei h proqesmia poy eixe doqei apo thn kybernhsh gia th nomimopoihsh twn metanastwn. Apo pantoy erxontai plhrofories oti gia logoys anejarthtws ths qelhshs twn metanastwn, den exoyn epitrecei se xiliades anqrwpoys na oloklhrwsoyn th diadikasia twn aparaithtwn eggrafwn gia th nomimopoihsh toys. Yparxei kapoia skech na lhfqoyn metra paratashs ths proqesmias ayths; Skeftetai, epishs, h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei syntomws stis apo kairo ejaggelqeises proqeseis ths gia th synenwsh twn oikogeneiwn kai gia thn ayjhsh toy xronoy ths kartas paramonhs sth xwra mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh zhthma paratashs. Ean yparjei tetoio qema, epeidh ontws lhgei h proqesmia, qa milhsw me ton k. Skandalidh kai qa epanelqw ayrio. Einai gnwstes oi proqeseis mas gia tis oikogeneies kai exoyme kanei megala bhmata pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Oson afora th diarkeia ths kartas paramonhs qa epanelqw ayrio, meta apo synennohsh me to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

KARGOYDH: Prin apo ligo ekdoqhke anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy toy Steit Ntipartment, opoy ekfrazetai h ikanopoihsh toy gia thn poreia twn qematwn asfaleias gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Oso, de, gia to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke xqes kai proxqes apo dhmosieymata se ellhnikes efhmerides, parapempei stis efhmerides aytes. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw para na ekfrasw thn ikanopoihsh mas gia tis dhlwseis toy Amerikanoy ekproswpoy. Einai safhs kai ekfrazei th bebaiothta oti sthn Ellada qa diejaxqoyn idiaitera asfaleis Olympiakoi Agwnes.

KARGOYDH: Antilambanomai oti pairnei kai apostaseis, ws epishmos foreas, apo epikritika dhmosieymata poy aforoyn thn asfaleia sth xwra mas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa elega oti deixnei mia teleiws diaforetikh eikona. Aytoi poy prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn qema me epikritika dhmosieymata, prepei na prosejoyn idiaitera aytes tis dhlwseis. Exoyme jekaqarisei oti den mporoyme na "trexoyme" kaqe fora, pisw apo opoiadhpote jenh efhmerida poy dhmosieyei ena arqro, to opoio den gnwrizoyme ti stoxoys ejyphretei. Ayta ta exoyme katadikasei kai exoyme pei oti polles fores syndeontai metajy toys. Ennow ayta poy exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas sto dieqnh Typo, tis teleytaies hmeres. Mporei na yparxoyn kai kapoioi alloi poy exoyn thn apoch toys kai h apoch ayth na mhn einai swsth. Exoyme thn epishmh anakoinwsh ths EL.AS. kai th shmerinh topoqethsh toy Amerikanoy ekproswpoy. As to katalaboyn oloi. Sthn Ellada qa ginoyn oi kalyteroi kai asfalesteroi Olympiakoi Agwnes. O ellhnikos laos toys qelei kai ekeino poy mas endiaferei, panw apo ola, einai oxi mono h epityxhs diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, thn opoia eggyomaste, alla kai h qetikh ajiopoihsh aytoy toy poly shmantikoy gegonotos gia thn Ellada kai gia to Eqnos. Qa prepei kapoia stigmh oloi oi Ellhnes na prosejoyme idiaitera th stash mas se ayta ta zhthmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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