Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno syzhthshs tis dasikes ektaseis. Qa hqela na anaferqw se tessera shmeia apo thn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy: To prwto afora tis dhmoskophseis, to deytero tis ejelissomenes kinhtopoihseis, to trito afora ta dash kai to tetarto mia logikh poy exei anaptyxqei kyriws apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs, oti dhladh epeidh dianyoyme thn teleytaia xronia ths kybernhtikhs qhteias den mporei h kybernhsh na exei to ergo kai th drasthriothta ths.

Oson afora tis dhmoskophseis, o Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti, epeidh aytes einai antikeimeno pollwn syzhthsewn, den exoyme para na synexisoyme me entash kai apotelesmatikothta th doyleia mas. Ypogrammise oti, an antapokriqoyme grhgora sta xronodiagrammata poy exoyme xarajei gia toys stoxoys mas, den qa exoyme problhma stis ekloges.

Oson afora tis kinhtopoihseis, eipe oti h staqerh poreia ths oikonomias einai proypoqesh gia thn efarmogh ths politikhs mas kai idiws gia thn prospaqeia na apokatasthsoyme, bhma-bhma, perissoterh koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Oi pragmatikoi misqoi -tonise- exoyn ayjhqei ta teleytaia xronia se epipedo ychlotero ekeinoy ths E.E. kai ayto einai anamfisbhthto. Epeidh exoyme mia sygkekrimenh oikonomikh politikh, poy basizetai sth staqerothta kai thn anaptyjh, den mporoyme na apodexqoyme aithmata, xwris sxesh me tis oikonomikes dynatothtes ths xwras. Oloi exoyn dikaiwma se kalyteres synqhkes zwhs. Alla, ayto ejasfalizetai mono an peis kaqara oti den mporeis na ylopoihseis aithmata poy einai yperbolika, poy den synartwntai me tis synqhkes, poy ypakoyoyn mono se syntexniakes h kai politikes logikes kai adiaforoyn gia tis epiptwseis sto koinwniko synolo. Eixa problecei -eipe o Prwqypoyrgos- oti qa exoyme ena dyskolo fqinopwro kai oloi eimaste symfwnoi se ayto. Prepei na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn katastash me qarros, gia na mporesoyme na kanoyme ayto to opoio qeloyme. Na mh diaceystoyme ws pros toys kyrioys stoxoys mas gia na ikanopoihsoyme epimeroys aithmata ta opoia, omws, den symballoyn sthn pragmatopoihsh twn kyriwn stoxwn mas.

Oson afora ta dash, anefere oti prepei na prosarmosoyme th dasikh nomoqesia stis epitages toy Syntagmatos kai ayto gia na pacoyn oi, kata periptwsh, ermhneies gia na pacoyn oi ayqairesies poy prokyptoyn apo tis, kata periptwsh, ermhneies. Gnwrizoyme oloi -synexise o Prwqypoyrgos- oti h isxyoysa dasikh nomoqesia kai o tropos efarmoghs ths exoyn dhmioyrghsei mia katastash poy talaipwrei toys polites. Ayto exei logoys istorikoys kai ola den mporoyn na diorqwqoyn amesa. Oyte antapokrinetai h nomoqesia, opws einai shmera, se synqhkes poy exoyn diamorfwqei, oyte prostateyei apotelesmatika ta pragmatika dash kai tis dasikes ektaseis. Prepei na prospaqhsoyme, sto plaisio toy dynatoy, na orqologikopoihsoyme ayth th nomoqesia, giati h prostasia den mporei na ypakoyei sth logikh twn kata periptwsh lysewn. Ayto shmainei ayqairesia, streblwseis kai adikies. Epibarynei polites kai topikes koinwnies kai ginetai empodio sthn eilikrinh prospaqeia prostasias toy fysikoy ploytoy, alla kai sthn prospaqeia anaptyjhs kai anazwogonhshs ths ypaiqroy. Xreiazetai, loipon, na baloyme tajh kai na epanaorioqethsoyme tis politikes mas, symfwna me to Syntagma. Na egkaqidrysoyme diadikasies kai kanones poy qa periorisoyn tis ayqairesies poy trofodotoyn thn yperbolh kai thn atajia. Na qesoyme kanones kai diadikasies poy qa yphretoyn pragmatikoys stoxoys prostasias twn daswn kai sygxronws qa sebontai ta eyloga aithmata twn topikwn koinwniwn.

Oson afora to tetarto qema, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se mia syzhthsh poy ginetai oti dhqen yparxei mia logikh paroxwn. Kaqe ryqmish, se kaqe tomea, den einai paroxh, epeidh antimetwpizei xronia problhmata gia toys polites, ta opoia prepei na lysoyme. Ayth einai h doyleia mas. Na lysoyme ta problhmata. Kai den kanoyme paroxes, epeidh kanoyme th doyleia mas. Exoyme ena programma kai ayto efarmozoyme. Isws, kapoioi nomizan -synexise o Prwqypoyrgos- oti epeidh mesolabhse h ejamhnh Proedria (me tis synepeies poy eixe, oson afora th drasthriothta ths kybernhshs sto eswteriko) exoyme anasteilei tis drasthriothtes mas. Den katalaban, omws, oti doylecame gia thn Proedria. Giati, petyxhmenh Proedria shmainei petyxhmenh paroysia ths Elladas. Ejyphretoyse thn Ellada ayto. Ayth h Proedria kai h epityxia ths htan entagmenh sto programma mas, sta metra poy eixame ejaggeilei. Bebaiws, to programma mas exei ta alla metra sta opoia exoyme, hdh, anaferqei, opws kai ayta sta opoia anaferomaste shmera. Den prokeitai, loipon, gia politikes paroxes. Prokeitai gia efarmogh toy sxedioy toy programmatos mas, opws akribws to eixame paroysiasei ston ellhniko lao. Prokeitai gia prospaqeia na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Ayto prepei na ginei safes se oloys, giati exoyme akoma arketoys mhnes protoy arxisoyn oi eklogikes diadikasies. Katalhgontas, o Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti, oyte aytos, oyte kaneis allos exei thn proqesh na stamathsei th doyleia, na stamathsei na paragei apotelesmata, epeidh meta apo oktw h ennea mhnes qa ginoyn ekloges.

O ypoyrgos Gewrgias G. Drys, ayth th stigmh, dinei synenteyjh sthn opoia paroysiazei tis arxes toy nomosxedioy kai tis basikes parametroys. To nomosxedio, epejergasmeno kai oloklhrwmeno, qa doqei sth dhmosiothta se liges hmeres.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, otan leei oti den exei thn proqesh, oyte o idios, oyte kaneis allos na stamathsei na ergazetai gia toys epomenoys mhnes mexri tis ekloges, giati aisqanetai thn anagkh na to pei ayto; Exei parathrhsei fainomena adraneias stelexwn h pleyrwn toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, poy den exoyn proxwrhsei; Giati mpainei se ayth th logikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa hqela na sas anaferw ena peristatiko poy synebh to prwi kai apanta, me ton kalytero tropo, sthn erwthsh sas. Hmoyn to prwi se mia syzhthsh se thleoptiko kanali me ena epilekto stelexos ths N.D. poy eipe oti ola ayta poy kanete einai proeklogika. Den einai proeklogika. Prepei na to synhqisoyn ayto oloi. Efarmozoyme to programma mas, to opoio sas paroysiasa, edw, prin dyo ebdomades, kai qa efarmostei mexri teleytaias keraias. An qelete na deite poies kinhseis qa ginontai kai poia nomosxedia qa katatiqentai, anatrejte sthn pro 15nqhmeroy politikh enhmerwsh kai qa ta breite ola ekei.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw gia thn prwth parathrhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Anaferqhke stis dhmoskophseis kai eipe oti an antapokriqoyme sta xronodiagrammata toy kybernhtikoy ergoy den qa exoyme problhma stis ekloges. Ayto shmainei oti h ektimhsh poy exete kanei einai oti ypo kanonikes synqhkes qa beltiwsete akomh perissotero to profil sas stis epomenes metrhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dhmioyrgeitai ena neo politiko klima kai eyelpistoyme oti qa synexistei kai qa diamorfwsei toys oroys nikhs.

SIDERHS: Sxetika me toys ektaktoys, yparxei h koinotikh odhgia oti prepei na nomimopoihqoyn. Prosfata, proxqes, mia ypallhlos toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy dikaiwqhke dikastika. Dedomenoy oti yparxei kai h koinotikh odhgia, ti qa kanete me ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na yparxei h koinotikh odhgia, alla yparxei kai Proedriko Diatagma poy prosarmozei th nomoqesia mas sthn koinotikh odhgia. Opws gnwrizete, se oles tis periptwseis, otan erxetai mia koinotikh odhgia, apaiteitai mia nomoqetikh parembash, h opoia na prosarmozei ta ths koinotikhs odhgias sto ellhniko dikaio. Ayto exei ginei. Mporei na yparxoyn kapoioi poy diafwnoyn. Alla, epeidh eimaste kratos eynomoymeno, kratos dikaioy, exoyn th dynatothta na diekdikhsoyn to dikio toys enwpion toy dikasthrioy.

SIDERHS: Sxetika me thn epidomatikh politikh twn ypallhlwn toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy, qa ikanopoihsete to sxetiko aithma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kanw dhlwseis, otan den mporw monos moy na desmeysw thn kybernhsh. To xeirotero einai na yposxesai kati, to opoio den eisai bebaios oti qa pragmatopoihseis.

SIDERHS: Se sxesh me th gria EAMitisa, epeidh prokyptei ena qema hqikhs tajhs oti enas ypoyrgos, estw se ena elasswn qema, eipe cemata mesa sth Boylh. Xqes, eipate oti den to gnwrizete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe cemata. Eixe mia sygkekrimenh plhroforhsh, h opoia mporei na mhn htan swsth, alla o sygkekrimenos anqrwpos einai eilikrinhs kai gnwrizete oti panta exei to qarros ths gnwmhs toy. Leei thn apoch toy eyqarsws enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den exei na krycei kati. Ean se kapoio shmeio mia plhroforhsh toy den htan swsth, as mhn to kanoyme "anatoliko qema". Einai poly fysiologiko.

SIDERHS: Den tiqetai qema politikhs hqikhs gia sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai h politikh toy PASOK, alla kai o sygkekrimenos synadelfos moy den nomizw oti antimetwpizei qema politikhs hqikhs. Alimono!

STAMATOPOYLOS: O,ti akoyei enas ypoyrgos ejw, paei kai to leei apo to bhma ths Boylhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti einai ayta poy lete;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto moy lete twra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Yparxei mia lanqasmenh plhroforhsh poy den thn exw egw. Den anaferomai sto sygkekrimeno qema. Prin apo ligo, gia paradeigma, eixa mia epikoinwnia me ena forea, poy isxyrizotan oti prowqeitai tropologia poy allazei tis symbaseis. Kamia tropologia den yparxei. Eixe lanqasmenh plhroforhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den bghkate omws, eseis na to peite kai ayto exei megalh shmasia. Kai kati akoma: H apofash gia to nomosxedio gia ta dash htan omofwnh sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas entypwsiase to gegonos, fantazomai, poy eixe mikrh diarkeia h synedriash, para toys eysebeis poqoys orismenwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: "Para toys eysebeis poqoys orismenwn", eipate. Poioi einai oi "orismenoi";

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje omofwnia, xreiasthkan poly liges apanthseis. Ws pros to "orismenoi", anaferomai sthn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs, se ekeinoys oi opoioi elegan, xqes, oti qa yparjoyn idiaiteres enstaseis kai entones diafwnies. Giati na exoyme enstaseis kai diafwnies; Afoy to nomosxedio den nomimopoiei ayqairesies. Einai malista xarakthristiko to gegonos -kai apodidw s@ ayto idiaiterh shmasia kai sas eyxaristw poy moy dinete thn eykairia na to epishmanw- oti:

-Prwton, den yparxei kanena qema gia nomimopoihsh katapathsewn h anegersh ayqairetwn ktismatwn se dash kai dasikes ektaseis.

-Deyteron, den problepetai -kai fysika den htan dynato na anaferetai kati tetoio- ryqmish gia ektaseis poy diapistwnetai oti kapote htan dasikes kai pro toy 1975 allajan ayqaireta xrhsh. Kai,

-Triton, den antimetwpizei qemata nomimopoihshs ektasewn oikodomikwn synetairismwn poy briskontai mesa se xarakthrismena dash.

Aytes den htan oi kyries enstaseis apo orismenes oikologikes organwseis; Sebomai ekeinoys poy agwnioyn gia thn prostasia twn daswn kai pragmati exoyn prosferei polla sto koinwniko synolo. Alla, oi diatajeis toy nomosxedioy einai safeis. Taktopoiei, me bash to Syntagma, ena qema poy mas basanize, poy dhmioyrgoyse ayqairesies, problhmata. Den anagnwrizei oyte katapathtes -to antiqeto malista- oyte anoigei to dromo gia nomimopoihsh katapathsewn. Antiqetws. Epishs, den anaferetai se ektaseis poy htan xarakthrismenes dasikes kai prin apo to 1975 allajan ayqaireta xrhsh. To antiqeto symbainei. Einai ena nomosxedio poy bazei tajh, poy ryqmizei nomoqetika yparxoyses asafeies, poy bohqa ton polith kai kyriws poy prostateyei ta dash. Ayto prepei na ginei katanohto.

STAMATOPOYLOS; Tis biles mesa apo ta dash qa tis gkremisete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoy einai xtismenes paranoma, bebaiws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy tis nomimopoieite me to prohgoymeno nomosxedio gia ta ayqaireta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia bila den nomimopoioyme. Qymizw oti milhsame gia nero kai fws se ayqairetai 100 t.m.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekato, ekato xtizontai kai ginontai xiliwn t. m.

PRWTOPAPAS: As mh xasoyme thn ennoia spiti@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos otan synanthqhke me antiproswpeia maqhtwn ths Boylhs twn efhbwn, xarakthrise ta ellhnika sxoleia toy ejwterikoy, ws jeperasmeno qesmo. Ektote, oi omogeneis sthn Amerikh poy h zwh toys einai diaforetikh apo twn omogenwn sth Germania, exoyn bombardisei th dikh mas toylaxiston efhmerida me dhlwseis kai epistoles apogohteyshs, pikras kai orghs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws kapoios exei prokalesei paranohsh. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se mia logikh, poy kalliergeito mia periodo. Dhladh, na yparxei ena xwristo sxoleio, poy ginotan kyriws sth Germania ekeinh thn periodo gia ta paidia twn metanastwn. Yphrxe, loipon, mia antilhch, na einai xwristo sxoleio, ejw apo thn koinothta ths perioxhs toys kai na empodizetai emmesws h enswmatwsh toys sthn topikh koinwnia. Sthn Amerikh den yphrje pote tetoio qema, giati oi ellhno-amerikanoi einai idiaitera enswmatwmenoi stis topikes koinwnies. Exoyn sxoleia, ta opoia bohqoyn ta paidia na maqoyn Ellhnika. Dhladh, ta sxoleia toys einai symplhrwmatika. Safws, o Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke se ayta. Ean diamartyrontai oi ellhno-amerikanoi gi ayto, prokeitai peri paranohshs. Oi qeseis poy exoyme kai tis exoyme prowqhsei, einai oi koinothtes mas sto ejwteriko kai idiaitera stis eyrwpaikes xwres, na enswmatwnontai sto topiko periballon. Ean, apo ekei kai pera, yparxoyn sxoleia poy didaskoyn Ellhnika, ayta leitoyrgoyn symplhrwmatika, xwris na shmainei oti den qa aisqanontai polites ths xwras poy zoyn. O kanonas einai na exoyn stis perissoteres koinothtes symplhrwmatika ellhnika sxoleia. Ayta einai poly xrhsima. Pote den yphrje qema gi ayta kai panta enisxyoyme thn antilhch oti ta paidia prepei na gnwrizoyn th glwssa ths xwras apo thn opoia proerxontai. Allo einai ayto kai allo ayto sto opoio anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos poy einai h antilhch ths @gketopoihshs@, h opoia exei egkataleifqei edw kai polla xronia, oxi monon apo th dikh mas kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Exete na mas kanete kapoio sxolio gia to dysaresto gegonos poy plhroforhqhkame apo to astynomiko deltio, thn anamijh toy gioy enos boyleyth ths N.D. se paranomes prajeis; Kai to lew ayto giati oi diafores paroxes poy problepontai stoys boyleytes breqhkan na xrhsimopoioyntai gia tetoies...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena qlibero oikogeneiako gegonos, to opoio prepei na sebastoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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