Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-24

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

H syzhthsh poy pragmatopoihqhke, shmera to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith, toy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwsta Skandalidh, toy ypofainomenoy kai toy yfypoyrgoy Typoy Thlemaxoy Xythrh, eixe ws antikeimeno qemata strathgikhs gyrw apo thn politikh epikoinwnia.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Gia ta baftisia twn didymwn toy k. Karamanlh, ti exete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ta shmerina baftisia twn didymwn toy zeygoys Karamanlh na eyxhqoyme na toys zhsoyn kai na ta doyn opws epiqymoyn.

SIDERHS: Epeidh "ej onyxos ton leonta", o k. Koyloyrhs mas sygkinhse baqytata me th gria EAMitisa kai to syzygo poy ton skotwsan oi germanoi, apodeixqhke oti kaqe allo para EAMitisa htan kai oti o syzygos efyge plhrhs hmerwn, pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh enan ypoyrgo poy ekteqhke etsi sto panellhnio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw to qema, isws o k. Koyloyrhs eixe diaforetikes plhrofories.

SIDERHS: Ma, to eipe sth Boylh, ston k. Kach.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, eixe -gia na to anaferei- kapoies plhrofories. Alla, den gnwrizw to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to diabasate kaqoloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: To diabasa kai to eida sthn thleorash. Opws sas eipa, o k. Koyloyrhs qa eixe profanws kapoies plhrofories. Den gnwrizw, omws, na sas pw poy htan o syzygos ths kyrias, pote peqane k.o.k. Den einai dynaton. Den einai qema kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy.

PITTARAS: H kybernhsh me ta TAXI ti prokeitai na kanei; Kai to lew ayto, giati exoyme twra tis sygkentrwseis, akoysame kai ton k. Berelh na apeilei oti qa zhthsei thn parembash toy eisaggelea sthn periptwsh poy oi idiokthtes TAXI kinhqoyn pros to kentro ths Aqhnas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth syzhthsh me toys benzinopwles apodeixqhke oti oles oi pleyres thrhsan stash eyqynhs kai etsi katalhjame sth symfwnia ths Deyteras. To idio qa pw kai twra. Den mporei na yparxei oikonomikh drasthriothta poy na mhn forologeitai. Exei ginei shmantikos dialogos me toys ekproswpoys twn TAXI, me anoixth -qa elega- diaqesh, apo thn pleyra toso toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh, oso kai toy ypoyrgoy Metaforwn Xr. Berelh, poy einai o kaq@ ylhn armodios. Katablhqhke megalh prospaqeia na antimetwpistoyn kai texnika qemata gyrw apo thn efarmogh twn tameiakwn mhxanwn kai mia seira apo alla qemata. Gia paradeigma, qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti antimetwpisthkan zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me tis metabibaseis, tis gonikes paroxes kai to F.P.A. sta TAXI. Ara, h kybernhsh epedeije kaqe kalh diaqesh gia na lyqoyn ta problhmata. Yparxei, omws, ena qema arxhs, poy kaneis den mporei na parabei. H oikonomikh drasthriothta prepei na forologeitai. Bebaiws prepei na mpoyn tameiakes mhxanes kai sta TAXI. Na mhn yparxoyn fainomena, ta opoia ekqetoyn th xwra dieqnws. Oi opoies ypertimologhseis, poy gnwrizete poia problhmata exoyn dhmioyrghqei ston ellhniko toyrismo, prepei na elegxqoyn. Se telikh analysh, den qa ejyphrethsoyme emeis symferonta "mantradwn", oi opoioi, se shmantiko baqmo, einai pisw apo aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Emeis qeloyme, me ton aplo idiokthth TAXI, na yparxei mia sxesh synergasias kai proetoimasias, idiaitera twra, enocei toy megaloy gegonotos gia th xwra mas, enocei ths diejagwghs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. "Nai", loipon, stis tameiakes mhxanes, "nai" sta texnika zhthmata poy prepei na lyqoyn. O dialogos ginetai. Lyqhkan kai antimetwpisthkan arketa alla qemata toys. Omws, se qemata arxhs, poy exoyn na kanoyn me th forologhsh kaqe oikonomikhs drasthriothtas, me thn perifroyrhsh toy dhmosioy symferontos, me thn prostasia ths xwras apo orismenes praktikes ligwn, me orismena symferonta sto xwro, qa eimaste anypoxwrhtoi. Se ayta ta qemata nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na kanei pisw.

PITTARAS: Poioi einai aytoi oi "mantrades"; Ti ennoeite me ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn orismena symferonta poy den aforoyn thn pleiochfia, ta opoia piezoyn gia na mhn topoqethqoyn oi tameiakes mhxanes. Kai den ennow ton aplo idiokthth TAXI.

ARGYROS: Gia to prwto qema poy mas eipate, gia th shmerinh syskech, giati kriqhke aparaithto na syzhthsete shmera gia th strathgikh ths politikhs epikoinwnias, otan qa yparjei epikoinwniako epiteleio thn Paraskeyh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, thn Paraskeyh den qa einai o Prwqypoyrgos.

ARGYROS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an syzhthqhke, shmera, to qema ths kas Arapogloy kai an teqhke to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema ths kas Arapogloy den afora th synqesh ayth. Einai qema poy afora ton Proedro kai to Grammatea toy Kommatos. Kai nomizw oti to exoyn lysei. Gia to deytero poy rwtate: Den syzhthsame to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy. Syzhthsame mono qemata strathgikhs gia thn politikh epikoinwnia. Me thn eykairia, omws, epeidh milhsa prin apo ligo me ton k. Skandalidh, sth Diakommatikh Epitroph yphrxe symmetoxh toy Synaspismoy, twn Aristerwn Kinhmatwn kai twn Oikologwn, kaqws kai toy k. Skylakoy apo to KKE, o opoios edwse mia epistolh kai sth synexeia apoxwrhse. Yphrxe kai mia diabebaiwsh toy SYN oti qa parakoloyqhsei, para tis diafwnies poy einai ekfrasmenes, olh th diadikasia, diekdikwntas kai paleyontas gia tis apoceis toy. O dialogos qa synexistei kai sto trito qerino tmhma ths Boylhs me toys boyleytes toy PASOK. Qa yparjei, parallhla, h proetoimasia sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai otan oristikopoihqei to sxedio, prin katateqei, qa janasynedriasei h Diakommatikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na ginei o telikos dialogos. Proxwroyme, loipon, sto teliko sxedio gia ton eklogiko nomo kai xairomaste, giati mia seira apo politikes dynameis, me opoiondhpote tropo aytes epilegoyn, symmetexoyn kai employtizoyn to dialogo. Ayto, bebaiws, plhn lakedaimoniwn, plhn toy kommatos ekeinoy poy den mporei kai den qelei na bohqhsei ton ejwraismo toy politikoy systhmatos kai ennow bebaia th N.D..

IWANNOY: Me poia kommata qa synexistei o diakommatikos dialogos; Mono me to SYN. To DHKKI eixe pei arxika oti qa symmetasxei, alla den pairnei meros sto dialogo. Oyte to KKE. Dhladh, to PASOK me to SYN qa kanoyn to dialogo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje paroysia kai toy k. Skylakoy, o opoios metefere apoceis toy KKE, anejarthtws an to ekane di@ epistolhs. Emmesws h amesws h me opoiondhpote tropo, estw kai me grapta keimena, yphrje paroysia olwn plhn lakedaimoniwn. Kai ennow bebaiws th N.D..

TAKHS: Mias kai milame gia toys boyleytes, protiqetai h kybernhsh na epanaferei to sxedio nomoy poy o k. Skandalidhs eixe kataqesei sth Boylh ton Ianoyario gia syntajiodothsh twn boyleytwn poy eixan eklegei apo to 1993 kai meta, sta 60 xronia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje mia syzhthsh sth Boylh, me ena sxedio poy eixe ferei pros syzhthsh o k. Skandalidhs kai afoy eixan aposyrqei oi sxetikes diatajeis. Epishs, yphrxe mia ypoxrewsh, aporreoysa apo to Syntagma, oti sxedio nomoy ryqmizei ta toy asfalistikoy kai syntajiodotikoy twn boyleytwn. Omws, den yparxei telikh apofash apo thn kybernhsh gyrw apo to an qa yparjei h oxi ryqmish sta zhthmata ayta gia na erqei kapoio sxedio nomoy. Einai ena qema poy ejetazetai. Yparxoyn polles enallaktikes lyseis, yparxei anazhthsh ths kalyterhs lyshs. Den exoyme, omws, katalhjei kai den mporw, ayth th stigmh, me bebaiothta na pw an telika qa erqei h oxi sxedio nomoy.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh shmera se polles efhmerides h prwth eidhsh einai gia to neo nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias, oson afora tis dasikes ektaseis, exete na mas peite kati perissotero; Telika qa proxwrhsete se apoxarakthrismo dasikwn ektasewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa htan atophma na prospaqhsw na prokatalabw qeseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, poy qa synedriasei ayrio gia to qema. Omws, na sas pw th basikh filosofia, me thn opoia proseggizoyme to olo qema: Prepei na ryqmisoyme me sygxrono tropo, symfwna me tis diatajeis toy anaqewrhmenoy Syntagmatos, to qema me tis dasikes ektaseis. Ayth einai h proqesh mas, gia na prostateysoyme ta dash. Dioti me th shmerinh katastash, poy oysiastika sthrizetai se aerofwtografies toy 1945, to apotelesma einai mia aperanth sygxysh poy den epitrepei, oyte kthmatologio na apokthsei h Ellada, oyte na prostateyontai ta pragmatika dash. Yparxei apolyth sygxysh giati sthrizomaste se stoixeia toy 1945 kai progenestera, me apotelesma na mhn mporoyme na kanoyme swsto kthmatologio kai na mhn prostateyontai ta dash. Prepei, loipon, na broyme mia ryqmish symfwna me ta shmerina dedomena, na einai sto pneyma kai to gramma toy Syntagmatos kai na prostateyei ta dash mas. Ayto epixeiroyme na kanoyme. Leptomereies ayrio meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Se synexeia anoikths epistolhs ths syzygoy toy k. Kana, to Politiko Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, zhthse enhmerwsh gia tis kata nomo energeies poy exoyn ginei sthn ypoqesh toy k. Aggeletoy Kana. Yparxei sygkekrimeno endiaferon apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn ypoqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan enas poliths stelnei ena gramma sto Prwqypoyrgiko Grafeio, synhqizetai na diabibazetai to erwthma sto armodio ypoyrgeio kai na zhteitai na isxysoyn oi kata nomo problepomenes energeies. Prokeitai gia mia typikh diadikasia giati den mporei na stelnei enas poliths mia epistolh kai na adiaforoyme. Epaneilhmmena exw parei paromoies epistoles me sygkekrimena aithmata gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy kai MME h kai Ergasias palaiotera kai enhrghsa deontws. Den mporei ayta ta aithmata na menoyn sta azhthta. Yparxei o sebasmos ston polith, ton forea k.lp. Den shmainei oti ginetai eidikh metaxeirish. Aplws apeyqynqhkan sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai to sxetiko aithma apestalh sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis ektimhseis toy symboyloy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Thnioy, aytes poy perilambanontai sto biblio toy kai tis topoqethseis poy ekane xqes, symfwna me tis opoies qa prepei na yparjei stadiaka ayjhsh toy orioy syntajiodothshs mexri ta 74 xronia; Deyteron, pws sxoliazete thn topoqethsh toy k. Reppa oti yparxei anagkh gia mia olikh metarryqmish toy Asfalistikoy; Den elyse h metarryqmish to asfalistiko problhma ths xwras, opws elege h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Thnios paroysiase tis proswpikes apoceis toy, se ena biblio poy egrace. To exei kanei polles fores. Oi proswpikes apoceis enos episthmona -ejalloy jekaqarise kai o idios oti prokeitai gia proswpikes apoceis toy, me thn episthmonikh idiothta toy- den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis kybernhtikes epiloges. Polloi episthmones, kata kairoys, synergazontai me thn kybernhsh, prosferoyn tis yphresies, tis gnwseis kai tis apoceis toys. Den shmainei oti desmeyoyn h ekfrazoyn thn kybernhtikh politikh. Eimaste anagkasmenoi, kai pisteyw oti kala kanoyme -ki egw to efarmozw sto ypoyrgeio Typoy- na xrhsimopoioyme episthmones, nomikoys, ejeidikeymenoys, anqrwpoys twn grammatwn kai toy pneymatos, oi opoioi dinoyn tis gnwseis toys, apasxoloymenoi me sxesh ergasias orismenoy xronoy kai mas bohqoyn na exoyme mia synolikh eikona prin laboyme oristikes apofaseis. Den qa toys apagoreysoyme na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys, epeidh synergazontai me thn kybernhsh. Jekaqarizw, omws, oti oi apoceis toy k. Thnioy desmeyoyn mono ton idio. Ws pros to qema toy orioy hlikias h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Ta oria hlikias exoyn kaqoristei me to nomo poy chfisame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati tote o k. Reppas eipe oti oi apoceis toy k. Thnioy einai profhtikes;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Reppas den anaferqhke sta oria hlikias. Paroysiase ena biblio toy k. Thnioy kai anaferqhke sth genikoterh prosfora toy eidikoy episthmona sthn anazhthsh, ton problhmatismo, tis skeceis gyrw apo tis ejelijeis toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. O k. Thnios asxoleitai, epi polla xronia, me to antikeimeno toy asfalistikoy systhmatos kai exei prosferei me ton problhmatismo toy -den shmainei kat anagkh oti ginontai apodektes aytes oi apoceis- sto xwro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emmesws plhn safws o k. Reppas fanhke oti yioqetei tis apoceis toy. Dhladh, tis exei sth skech toy o k. Reppas gia na tis prowqhsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Reppas epeidh synhqizei na einai safhs, eishghqhke sth Boylh ena nomosxedio, to opoio chfise h Boylh. O nomos aytos einai o kalyteros poy yparxei sthn E.E. gia toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys. Exei epilysei kata ton kalytero tropo ta zhthmata toy asfalistikoy systhmatos gia ta epomena 15-20 xronia. Ean me rwtate ti qa ginei ston 22o aiwna, den mporw na kanw problech.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: O k. Reppas eipe xqes oti yparxei h anagkh mias olikhs metarryqmishs toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Ayto den synista paradoxh oti h asfalistikh metarryqmish poy egine epi twn hmerwn toy den elyse to asfalistiko problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exete dikio. Den epishmane twra thn anagkh mias olikhs metarryqmishs. Den eipe etsi o k. Reppas. Milhse gia tis metarryqmiseis poy exoyn ginei sto asfalistiko systhma. Anaferqhke sth metarryqmish thn opoia kaname. Apo thn allh pleyra, yparxoyn anazhthseis gia to apwtero mellon, tis opoies oyte mporoyme na symfwnhsoyme, oyte na apodexqoyme. Den mporoyme, omws, na apagoreysoyme na ginontai. Oles aytes oi anazhthseis poy ginontai gia to mellon, otan erqei ekeinh h wra, meta apo 15-20 xronia, qa synajiologhqoyn. Pros to paron, gia ta epomena 15-20 xronia, to asfalistiko na to qewreite kleisto, sto basiko kormo bebaiws. Ayto den shmainei oti den yparxoyn kai epimeroys qemata, pros syzhthsh. Gia paradeigma, ena apo ayta einai to qema ths paratashs toy ergasiakoy bioy. Den milame, omws, gia to kormo toy systhmatos.

KARGOYDH: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema twn apergiwn: Pro hmerwn eixate kanei mia ektimhsh oti kata thn kybernhsh oi apergies einai oi synhqeis, oi opoies epanalambanontai ligo prin apo thn katartish toy Proypologismoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den xrhsimopoihsa ton oro ``synhqeis''. Eipa oti kaqe xrono epanalambanontai aytes oi kinhtopoihseis.

KARGOYDH: Synexizete na ektimate oti prokeitai gia synhqes fainomeno, oti exoyn th synhqh ektash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai apergies poy ginontai apo kladoys ergazomenwn, oi opoioi diekdikoyn kaqe xrono. Eimaste mia zwntanh koinwnia. Qa ajiologoyme kaqe fora me yperboliko tropo; Ta idia legame persi kai propersi. Den allaje kati. Kapoioi kladoi ergazomenwn erxontai na diekdikhsoyn th beltiwsh ths qeshs toys. Bebaiws, yparxei h kybernhtikh apoch. Se o,ti afora toys kaqhghtes Meshs Ekpaideyshs kai toys daskaloys, anagnwrizoyme th shmantikh prosfora toys sthn paideia kai sth diamorfwsh toy mellontos ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, gi ayto to logo dwsame megales kai shmantikes ayjhseis. Tetoies poy den phran fetos alloi kladoi ergazomenwn. Oi ayjhseis poy doqhkan stoys ekpaideytikoys einai yperpollaplasies apo aytes poy doqhkan se alloys kladoys. Kapoios eipe oti to xrwstoysame. Bebaiws! Alla doqhkan. Yparxoyn, hdh, shmantikes ayjhseis kai ta periqwria ths oikonomias den epitrepoyn th xorhghsh megalyterwn ayjhsewn. Kapoios qa mporoyse na isxyristei oti qa mporoyse na ginotan kai kati kalytero. Kaneis den diafwnei. Oloi to epiqymoyme, alla den yparxoyn ta oikonomika periqwria. Bebaiws, ayto de shmainei oti se allh xronikh stigmh den qa yparjoyn tetoies ayjhseis. Oi diekdikhseis synexizontai kai oi kinhseis apo thn kybernhtikh pleyras, den teleiwnoyn, den ejantloyntai. Gia fetos ejantlhsame ta periqwria poy eixame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai tote, aytoi giati kanoyn apergia, afoy toys ta dwsate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe ergazomenos sthn Ellada exei dikaiwma na kanei apergia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ara, den dwsate ayta poy toys yposxeqhkate. Kai kati akoma: Eipate oti den mporei na yparxei oikonomikh drasthriothta poy na mhn forologeitai. Qa balete kai stoys koyloyrades tameiakes mhxanes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Allh erwthsh.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno na asxolhqei ligo perissotero me ta problhmata odhgwn taji, toy epaggelmatikoy xwroy, dioti akoysa ton ekproswpo twn odhgwn taji se radiofwniko staqmo, na leei oti yparxei kerdoskopia, oti to xwro lymainontai kapoioi kerdoskopoi kai oti oysiastika to taji exei fygei apo toys epaggelmaties odhgoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akoysate thn arxikh topoqethsh moy.

IWANNOY: Akoysa oti ekanan kapoies protaseis enocei Olympiakwn Agwnwn, na metabibastoyn oi adeies stoys epaggelmaties kai na mhn yparxoyn apo panw kapoioi alloi poy lymainontai to xwro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean to erwthma sas einai ean staqhkame prosektika sta aithmata twn odhgwn, apantw eyqews, nai. Prwta, prwta egine sobaros kai epoikodomhtikos dialogos gyrw apo ton tropo efarmoghs twn tameiakwn mhxanwn. Deyteron, opws sas eipa, exoyme lysei qemata, poy aforoyn tis metabibaseis twn aytokinhtwn, tis gonikes paroxes kai to FPA. Ara, h kybernhsh, me bash th genikh paradoxh ths oti prepei na ejygianqei o xwros, na mpoyn mhxanes, na mhn ektiqetai dieqnws h xwra kai na prostateyqoyn ta symferonta toy aploy tajitzh, poy den exei tipota na fobatai, epimenei se ayto to metro. Se ola ta zhthmata h kybernhsh staqhke me idiaiterh prosoxh. Prosferei aytos o klados, kaneis den to arneitai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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