Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia tis eisagwgikes anafores toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, poy aforoyn to qema twn poleodomikwn diatajewn, oi opoies syzhthqhkan shmera.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti yparxei mia alysida qematwn, to kaqena apo ta opoia dhmioyrgei dyskolies sto epomeno. Ayto, omws, den mporei na mas empodisei na synexisoyme tis prwtoboylies, me kyrio skopo na aplopoihsoyme katastaseis kai na bohqhsoyme toys polites, oi opoioi se ayto ton kykewna antimetwpizoyn, polles fores, terastia adynamia na antimetwpisoyn ta dika toys problhmata. Skopos mas einai na kanoyme aples tis diadikasies, na exoyn perissoterh diafaneia kai na einai elegjimes. Na einai apotelesmatikes gia na mporoyn oi polites kai h Politeia na ryqmisoyn ola ayta ta ekkremh qemata kai ta xronia problhmata sth xwrotajia kai thn poleodomia.

Sth synexeia, akoloyqhse dialogos, egine employtismos twn protasewn mesa apo to dialogo kai egkriqhke to sxedio nomoy poy eishghqhke h ypoyrgos PEXWDE B. Papandreoy, to opoio qa paroysiasei se synenteyjh poy qa dwsei sto YPEXWDE, mazi me thn armodia yfypoyrgo R. Zhsh.

Sxetika me thn episkech toy k. Karamanlh ston Aspropyrgo kai kapoies dhlwseis poy ekane, exei apanthsei o ypoyrgos Metaforwn Xr. Berelhs. Qa hqela na symplhrwsw to ejhs: Einai poly qetiko oti o k. Karamanlhs qymhqhke kai episkefqhke to sidhrodromiko diktyo. Qa toy legame na diaqesei kai ligo xrono parapanw gia na episkefqei kai para polla shmantika erga poy ekteloyntai se olh thn Ellada ston tomea ayto.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Qa hqela na epanaferw th xqesinh erwthsh moy. Phrate kapoia metra. Lete oti den ta nomimopoihsate. Wstoso kanate ena bhma, stis alles ekloges qa kanete kapoio allo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Xairomai poy diapistwnete oti qa kerdisoyme kai tis epomenes ekloges.

SIDERHS: Pera apo to xioymor, to qema einai oti diapaidagwgeitai mia koinwnia na paranomei kai na perimenei se kaqe eklogikh anametrhsh na nomimopoieitai h paranomia ths. Ayto einai to problhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy lete mas apasxolhse para poly. Omws, den einai etsi kai qelw pragmatika na to jekaqarisw. Ayto to nomosxedio einai to prwto bhma, alla prodiagrafei kai ta ypoloipa gia na baloyme mia oristikh tajh sto qema ths domhshs. Sthn arxh, prepei na yparxei to geniko poleodomiko sxedio. Sth synexeia, basei aytoy, ginetai h poleodomhsh kai meta erxontai oi entajeis. Ayth th stigmh poy miloyme, yparxoyn para polla ayqaireta, ta opoia den eginan twra. Einai ena qema poy talanizei thn ellhnikh koinwnia polla xronia. Se polla apo ayta ta ayqaireta zoyn kai anqrwpoi ftwxoi, oi opoioi den dynatothtes gia allh katoikia. Den nomimopoioyme ta ayqaireta. Bazoyme tajh sto olo qema. Jekaqarizoyme oti apo th stigmh poy, eite yparxei to geniko poleodomiko sxedio, eite exei kaqoristei h poleodomhsh -dhladh exoyn kaqoristei oi koinoxrhstoi xwroi, oi koinwfeleis parembaseis- mporoyn na kanoyn tis sxetikes aithseis gia na ejetastei h entajh toys. An, omws, eite den yparxei to geniko poleodomiko sxedio, eite den exoyn kaqoristei oi oroi poleodomhshs kai yparxoyn ayqaireta, se ayth thn periptwsh den ta nomimopoioyme kai paramenoyn kai ta prostima diathrhshs. Apla kanoyme mia kinhsh gia kaqara anqrwpistikoys logoys, gia thn anakoyfish kapoiwn politwn, poy anhkoyn stis xamhla eisodhmatikes tajeis. Toys dinoyme th dynatothta na exoyn nero kai reyma. Tipota perissotero. Gi@ ayto kai kaqorizoyme oti ekeines oi perioxes poy einai ektos genikoy poleodomikoy sxedioy, prepei na einai h kyria katoikia toy idiokthth kai na einai mexri 120 t.m. Opws, epishs, exoyme jekaqarisei oti ejairoyntai pantelws osa ayqaireta briskontai se remata, arxaiologikoys xwroys, aigialo h paralia, dash h anadaswtees ektaseis kai alles perioxes se zwnes apolyths prostasias. Ayto shmainei oti opoios phge ekei na ktisei, den exei kamia piqanothta, peran toy na antimetwpisei kapoia stigmh thn katedafish. Gia toys ypoloipoys kai mexri thn ejetash ths entajhs toys (epeidh polles fores den ginontai amesws, eite ta genika poleodomika sxedia poy yparxoyn se polles periptwseis, eite oi poleodomhseis, dhladh o kaqorismos twn eisforwn h twn koinoxrhstwn h koinwfelwn xwrwn k.t.l.) afhnoyme ena periqwrio. Diathroyme ta prostima, diathreitai o xarakthrismos ws ayqaireto kai apla kai mono toys parexoyme nero kai reyma. Pisteyw oti ayto einai mia stoixeiwdhs anqrwpinh ypoxrewsh ths Politeias.

Ayto to nomosxedio einai to prwto bhma sthn kateyqynsh ths oristikhs taktopoihshs toy problhmatos. Allazoyn oles oi diatajeis se sxesh me tis adeies domhshs. Edw einai to qema. Allazoyn oles oi diatajeis, ginontai pio diafaneis, pio apotelesmatikes, pio elegjimes. Kaqierwnontai oi elegxoi gia na xtyphqei h ayqairesia. Den pisteyw na yparxei estw kai enas se ayth thn aiqoysa poy na mh symfwnhsei oti se kapoio ftwxo anqrwpo poy zei se kapoia perioxh poy akomh den exei ginei meleth poleodomhshs, prepei na synexizoyme na ton afhnoyme xwris nero kai reyma. Ayth einai mono h oysia ths parembashs. Qa htan laqos na erqei kapoios kai na pei oti anoigoyme to dromo sthn ayqairesia. Kanoyme akribws to antiqeto. Anoigoyme to dromo sth ryqmish, ton elegxo, sth diafaneia. Apla kai mono stekomaste, me eyaisqhsia, se kapoies palies katastaseis.

GIAKOYMHS: Enw ginontai ola ayta ta kala me to nomosxedio ths ypoyrgoy PEXWDE, giati yphrxan antidraseis, apo o,ti plhroforhqhkame, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, toylaxiston apo dyo ypoyrgoys kai gia qemata Syntagmatos kai gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn politikh apodosh toy metroy aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den metrame ena nomosxedio, se sxesh me thn politikh apodosh toy, alla se sxesh me thn apotelesmatikothta sto skopo poy apoblepei. Kai poios einai o skopos; Sto na arxisei stadiaka na ryqmizei, mesa apo aytes tis diadikasies, to qema ths domhshs. Na gnwrizoyn oloi oti qa yparxei xtyphma ths ayqairesias, qa yparxei diafaneia, apotelesmatikothta kai elegxos. Aples kai kaqares ejhghseis se oloys toys polites. Mono etsi metrame to nomosxedio. Apo ekei kai pera, den einai kako na ginoyn nomikes parathrhseis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio apo nomikoys gia kapoia shmeia poy beltiwnoyn to nomosxedio. Gi@ ayto, ejalloy, ginetai kai h syzhthsh. Gia na yparxoyn genikoteres anazhthseis, oi opoies den einai, kat@ anagkh, stoixeia aytoy toy nomosxedioy, xwris na shmainei oti empodizetai kai enas genikoteros dialogos panw se poleodomika zhthmata. Ayta den einai diafwnies. Einai h oysia mias syzhthshs. Exw tonisei, kat@ epanalhch, oti prepei na antilambaneste oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h h Kybernhtikh Epitroph einai enas xwros paroysiashs apocewn, syzhthshs, symbolhs kai, giati oxi, anazhthshs newn stoixeiwn kai oxi enas xwros poy kapoios mila kai oi ypoloipoi apantoyn les kai einai loxos. Einai allos o rolos twn kybernhtikwn organwn kai se ayto to rolo antapokrinomaste. Gi@ ayto kai synqesame, beltiwsame kai omofwna katalhjame.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na sas qesw mia erwthsh, h opoia den exei na kanei mono me to nomosxedio, alla kai me qema politikhs symperiforas ths politeias, apenanti sthn koinwnia. Sygkekrimena: Prin apo ayto to nomosxedio, o,ti nomoi isxyan shmaine oti ean kapoios ektize paranoma qa eprepe na ypostei tis kyrwseis poy proeblepan aytoi oi nomoi. Eseis, loipon, epikalesthkate anqrwpistikoys logoys, katanohtoi. Alla, etsi omws den qa mporesete na efarmosete to nomo poy leei, oti afoy einai aytos ayqairetos, pws qa toy to gkremizete, efoson toy dinete reyma kai nero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na sas ejhghsw: Yparxei xronos poy apaiteitai. Gi ayto bazoyme trieth periodo sto reyma kai sto nero. Meta mporei na diakopei. Bazoyme mia trieth periodo, dioti yparxei o xronos gia na ginei h poleodomhsh. Dhladh, yparxei xronos poy xreiazetai, eite na ginei to geniko poleodomiko sxedio -dioti se orismenes perioxes den yparxei- eite na yparjei sxetikh poleodomhsh. Einai oi meletes poy ylopoioyn to geniko poleodomiko sxedio sth synexeia, se kaqe perioxh. O xronos aytos kyla. Opoy ektimoyme oti den prokeitai gia akraies periptwseis kai oti exoyn piqanothta nomimopoihshs, dieykolynoyme thn katastash kratwntas ta prostima, synexizontas ta, alla dinontas nero kai hlektriko. Antiqeta, opoy prokeitai gia akraies periptwseis (kai orizoyme poies einai) kai opoy den exoyn dynatothtes nomimopoihshs ``tis koboyme'' apo twra. Leme, oti osoi exoyn ktisei panw se remata, se gialo, se dash, se arxaiologikoys xwroys, jexaste to, teleiwsame. Den qa nomimopoihqeite. Eseis poy den eiste se aytes tis periptwseis kai exete piqanothtes nomimopoihshs, kratame to prostimo diathrhshs kai proxwroyme thn poleodomikh meleth. Mexris otoy kanete kanonika tis aithseis sas, tis eisfores kai o,ti allo xreiastei, qa exete dynatothta gia mia stoixeiwdws anqrwpinh diabiwsh. Ayto nomizw oti opoiadhpote organwmenh politeia prepei na to kanei.

MIXAHL: Kata kairoys o Synhgoros toy Polith exei epishmanei oti ta megalytera problhmata yparxoyn ston tropo poy leitoyrgoyn oi poleodomies. Me ayto to dedomeno, poia exeggya dinete oti para th nomoqetikh ryqmish poy kanete, den qa exoyme jana fainomena tetoioy eidoys poleodomikwn anwmaliwn kai to epomeno diasthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqierwnoyme elegxoys oxi mono apo thn poleodomikh yphresia, alla kai apo to Swma Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Yparxei sygkekrimeno systhma me to opoio qa ginontai aytoi oi elegxoi. Problepoyme parallhla thn ayjhsh toy proswpikoy aytoy toy Swmatos me ejeidikeymena stelexh, opws epishs kai shmantika aysthroteres poines kai kyrwseis, toso dioikhtikes, oso kai poinikes se oloys toys emplekomenoys, wste na stamathsoyn apo edw kai pera ta opoia sxetika problhmata. Ayto xreiazetai kai th synergasia twn organwmenwn koinwnikwn forewn. Qa pw ena paradeigma poy eipwqhke sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. O Synhgoros toy Polith eqese ena zhthma mias megalhs poleodomikhs parabashs, poy ginotan sthn polh ths Kerkyras, enos ayqairetoy mesa sto istoriko kentro. Epaneilhmmena kai h kybernhsh, meta thn ekklhsh kai toy Synhgoroy toy Polith zhthse na gkremistei to sygkekrimeno ayqaireto, to opoio yparxei akoma. Kai jekaqarizoyme oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn einai etoimo na dwsei ta xrhmata se opoiodhpote Dhmo h Nomarxia, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh twn sxetikwn apofasewn. Einai orismenes fores poy epikratoyn kai orismenes lanqasmenes antilhceis. ``Asto twra'', ``qa doyme'', ``ma ti na kanoyme'', ``meta tis ekloges'' k.lp. Oxi, den exoyme ayth thn antilhch kai den anhkoyn se emas aytes oi antilhceis. Qa prepei na synergastoyme me oloys toys foreis, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme aytes tis katastaseis. Otan kapoios zhta apokentrwsh, prepei na analambanei kai tis eyqynes toy. Den einai mono ta qetika shmeia poy apolambanei apo tis diadikasies ths apokentrwshs kai twn armodiothtwn. Exei kai ypoxrewseis apenanti sthn eyryqmh leitoyrgia toy kratoys kai thn prostasia toy dhmosioy symferontos.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Yparxei kapoia ektimhsh gia ton ariqmo twn ayqairetwn h twn oikogeneiwn poy prokeitai na epwfelhqoyn apo ayto to nomosxedio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Stoixeia qa dwsei h ypoyrgos PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy se synenteyjh poy paraxwrei ayth thn wra. Den gnwrizw ean yparxoyn tetoia stoixeia.

KARGOYDH: Pera twn ejairesewn gia anqrwpistikoys logoys, opws hlektriko reyma kai nero, efoson h paroxh reymatos kai neroy epi ths oysias shmainei mia aparxh nomimopoihshs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, mhn to ermhneyete etsi.

KARGOYDH: Giati entassontai se nomimes paroxes toy kratoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan zei mia oikogeneia ekei, einai swsto na ths arnoymaste paroxes dhmosias ygieinhs;

KARGOYDH: Hqela na sas rwthsw ean mporoyme na eikasoyme, ean kata proseggish aytes oi zwnes qa einai kai oi nees poleodomikes zwnes, ekei, dhladh, poy entassontai ayta ta ktismata...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi kat anagkh, se kapoio baqmo. Otan exeis afairesei apolyta, ta shmeia poy afairesame kai gia ta alla afhneis th dynatothta na ypobaloyn thn aithsh toys -symfwna panta me tis poleodomikes meletes poy qa yparxoyn- ena megalo pososto, anamfibola, qa mporesei na entaxqei, thrwntas tis desmeyseis poy prepei na analabei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gia na doyme to baqmo ths ajiopistias ths kybernhtikhs ryqmishs, qelw mia apanthsh se dyo erwthmata: Prwton, ean sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthqhke to pws qa antimetwpistei o kafes. Poleodomika o kafes isodynamei me 100.000. Dhladh, astynomikos, ypallhlos poleodomias, armodios ypallhlos k.l.p.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennoeite ``to ladwma''.

ELENOPOYLOS: Oxi, ``o kafes'' legetai. Pws, loipon, qa antimetwpistei ``o kafes'' o opoios pollaplasiazetai analoga me thn ayqairesia, treis kafedes, pente kafedes k.lp.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tote qa ginei pikros o kafes ! Prepei na ginei pikros.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kai to deytero erwthma, ean ejairoyntai ej arxhs ola ta ayqaireta stis zwnes poy anaferate, aytes poy prostateyontai. Syzhthqhke oti qa einai kata proteraiothta, ean aytes oi zwnes kata tis opoies amesa qa pesoyn ayta ta ayqaireta; Qa pesoyn, dioti yparxei nomos poy problepei oti einai ypoxrewmenh h politeia na paei na to gkremisei kai na xrewsei ton idiokthth me tis ergasies ths katedafishs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epilambanontai oi Nomarxes analoga me thn periptwsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Oxi oi Nomarxes, ean h politeia, h kybernhsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: O nomos problepei safws poios phgainei na to gkremisei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw ti leei o nomos, thn armodiothta thn exoyn oi Dhmoi gi ayth thn periptwsh. Kanei, omws, sygkekrimenh ryqmish.

PRWTOPAPAS: Polloi Nomarxes kai Dhmarxoi isxyrizontai oti efarmozoyn apolytws to nomo, alla apaitoyn apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn na bohqhsei anaferontas oti den exoyn xrhmata. Jekaqarizoyme, loipon -to dhlwse kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Nikos Xristodoylakhs shmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio- oti gia periptwseis poy qeloyn Nomarxes h Dhmarxoi xrhmata gia na efarmosoyn to nomo apolytws, gyrw apo tis katedafiseis ayqairetwn se arxaiologikoys xwroys h se remata h se dash, tote to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn exei desmeyqei oti toys parexei tis sxetikes pistwseis. Oso gia ton ``kafe'' exoyn ginei sxetikes probleceis sto nomosxedio, lambanontai metra antimetwpishs ths diafqoras, wste aytos ``o kafes'' na ginei poly pikros se osoys epidiwkoyn na ton pinoyn etsi.

ELENOPOYLOS: Yparxei sygkekrimenh periodos entos ths opoias qa ypoxreoyntai oi Dhmoi h oi armodioi foreis na proxwrhsoyn sto gkremisma aytwn twn ayqairetwn se sygkekrimenes perioxes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporeite na to diapistwsete plhrws apo tis shmerines diatajeis poy doqhkan sth dhmosiothta.

ELENOPOYLOS: Yparxei h eyqynh, alla den yparxei h analogh kyrwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Parabash kaqhkontos einai. Ma ti lete; Se ayth thn periptwsh phgainei fylakh. Mexri twra epikaleitai tis pistwseis. Qa doqoyn oi pistwseis. To qema jekaqaristhke.

ANTYPAS: Epitrecte moy, den epikaloyntai tis pistwseis, synhqws epikaloyntai oti den briskoyn synergeio na paei na kanei thn katedafish.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa toys diaqesoyme ta synergeia poy exei h kentrikh dioikhsh. Exoyn oi Nomarxies synergeia, mhn anhsyxeite.

GIAKOYMHS: Exete kapoio sxolio sxetika me to erwthmatologio poy dhmosieyei shmera h efhmerida ``TA NEA'' gia tis proslhceis fylakwn sthn Agrotikh Trapeza;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den exei sxolio, na erwthqei h Agrotikh Trapeza.

GIANNISHS: Sxetika me thn prosfata synafqeisa symfwnia sto plaisio toy ICAO gia toys aerodiadromoys, ta toyrkika aeroskafh qa ypoballoyn sxedia pthshs ;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti problepetai apo th symfwnia. To qema to ejantlhsame apo xqes. Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Parakalw na mhn epanelqoyme sto qema. Den exei allajei tipota ap` o,ti yphrxe. Panta yparxoyn ta deka milia. Panta yparxoyn ayta poy problepontai. Prosteqhkan kai allajan kapoioi aerodiadromoi. Den allajame ton eqniko enaerio xwro. Prepei na to jekaqarisoyme ayto. Isxyoyn panta ta deka milia ston aera, opws isxyoyn kai oi ypoxrewseis poy eixan oi geitones mas. Apla allajan orismenoi aerodiadromoi kai proseteqhsan kapoioi kainoyrgioi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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