Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths brisketai sthn Hgoymenitsa, opoy egkainiazei to limani kai to neo Dikastiko Megaro.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Poy ofeiletai ayth h proeklogikh atmosfaira poy yphrxe shmera, kata thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sta egkainia; Eida opadoys toy PASOK me shmaies, me synqhmata. Fainotan san proetoimasmenh proeklogikh ypodoxh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei proeklogikh atmosfaira kai den eimaste se proeklogikh periodo. Bebaiws, yparxei ayth th stigmh mia idiaitera shmantikh syspeirwsh sto xwro toy PASOK kai ayth ekfrazetai kai me th symmetoxh filwn toy PASOK stis ekdhlwseis poy einai parwn o Prwqypoyrgos h kai alla kentrika stelexh toy Kinhmatos. Ginontai periodeies se olh thn Ellada. Gia paradeigma, se mia wra, qa fygw gia Katerinh. Tetoies periodeies stelexwn ginontai se olh thn Ellada. Ginontai syzhthseis me toys polites gia ola ta megala qemata. Yparxei ena klima -ajizei ton kopo na to epishmanoyme- poy deixnei oti exoyme mia genikoterh qetikh politikh poreia toy PASOK, me fysiko epakoloyqo na yparxei kai syspeirwsh sto xwro mas. Ektimoyme oti h poreia ayth qa synexistei, giati ofeiletai sthn ajiopistia, thn apodosh, alla kai to programma toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, kaqws kai stis kommatikes ekdhlwseis kai kinhseis poy programmatizei o G.G. toy PASOK M. Xrysoxoidhs. Qa epiferei idiaitera qetika apotelesmata enocei twn eklogwn. Alla, ayth thn wra, den exoyme proeklogikh periodo.

GARGALAKOS: Eida ena dhmosieyma sto periodiko "Krama" poy leei peripoy oti bolidoskopoyntai diafores hgesies melwn-xwrwn ths E.E. gia to endexomeno na analabei o k. Shmiths Proedros toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. O k. Shmiths asxoleitai, ayth th stigmh, me thn kaqodhghsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy kai qa einai epikefalhs toy PASOK stis ekloges -tis opoies elpizoyme na kerdisoyme, xarh sthn chfo toy laoy, thn opoia epidiwkoyme- kai Prwqypoyrgos sth synexeia. Na symplhrwsw oti prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos eixe anaferqei se ayta ta zhthmata, sth diarkeia ths synenteyjhs Typoy poy edwse sto plaisio twn ekdhlwsewn ths DEQ.

GIANNISHS: To prosfato nomosxedio poy paroysiase o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn ginetai shmera dekto me polles epifylajeis, se o,ti afora th diadikasia elegxoy toy "poqen esxes" apo to Geniko Epiqewrhth Dioikhshs k. Dafermo, o opoios se synenteyjh toy leei oti den yparxei mhxanismos kai qa xreiastoyn dyo xronia minimoym gia na arxisei o elegxos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti exoyn lhfqei kai qa synexisoyme na lambanontai metra gia thn enisxysh twn elegktikwn mhxanismwn. Se ayto exoyme, hdh, anaferqei kai qa ginei prajh. Eimaste apofasismenoi h diafaneia na xarakthrizei to dhmosio bio ths xwras. Qa laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Hdh, meta tis kinhseis poy eginan apo toys boyleytes mas kai thn apofash ths Epitrophs toy "poqen esxes" ths Boylhs, akoloyqei kai h kataqesh toy neoy "poqen esxes". Qa enisxyqoyn kai oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi. Qa peisoyme ton polith oti o politikos kosmos steketai me idiaiterh synepeia kai entimothta, wste oi opoies skies eixan dhmioyrghqei -adikaiologhta, kata th gnwmh moy, polles fores sto parelqon- na mhn exoyn qesh sto dhmosio bio.

GIANNISHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh oti qa xreiastoyn dyo xronia mexris otoy ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Qa enisxyqoyn oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi, idiaitera. Eimaste, hdh, se ayth thn poreia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa dextei h kybernhsh kai thn tropologia poy kateqese h N.D. gia ton elegxo 5etias olwn twn boyleytwn kai olwn twn dioikhtwn trapezwn, organismwn k.l.p.;

PRWTOPAPAS: H N.D. qa eprepe na prosejei oti ta zhthmata twn elegxwn kai ths genikoterhs anabaqmishs toy elegxoy "poqen esxes" perilambanontai plhrestata se ena pragmatika idiaitera shmantiko nomosxedio. Ayth h apospasmatikh, proxeirh tropologia, qa ypobaqmize to nomosxedio, an etiqeto ws exei. Kalo qa htan, loipon, h N.D. na pei tis sygkekrimenes apoceis ths sta shmeia toy nomosxedioy. Ayth qa htan mia oysiastikh symbolh se ena problhma poy apasxolei to dhmosio bio. H logikh oti den syzhtw to nomosxedio, alla kataqetw th dikh moy tropologia, poy einai ena poly meriko qema, se sxesh me ena oloklhrwmeno nomosxedio (kai malista mia tropologia me sobara problhmata, opws eixame anaferei kai sto parelqon) einai mia logikh poy den symballei ston politiko dialogo kai sto zhtoymeno gia th diafaneia sto dhmosio bio. Isws, h N.D. na epanektimhsei th stash ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia einai ta sobara problhmata poy exei h tropologia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw anaferqw se ayta, sto parelqon. Exei kai nomika problhmata kai mia seira alla.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H tropologia einai sygkekrimenh. Einai gia th lhsteia poy egine sto Xrhmatisthrio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai h idia tropologia poy eixe katateqei kai palaiotera.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Yparxei kapoio statistiko stoixeio apo tis dhlwseis "poqen esxes" poy exoyn ginei mexri twra, poses periptwseis diafqoras exoyn anakalyftei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme tetoio statistiko stoixeio. Ejalloy, an hmastan plhrws ikanopoihmenoi apo o,ti ginetai gyrw apo to "poqen esxes" den qa kataqetame kainoyrgio -plhres kai apotelesmatiko, opws ektimoyme- nomosxedio. Ayto deixnei thn proqesh mas na jekaqarisoyme ayta ta zhthmata. Den leme oti sta qemata dhmosiwn leitoyrgwn ej orismoy yparxei kati. Leme oti prepei o elegxos na einai tetoios, wste h ellhnikh koinwnia na peiqetai pws o,ti yphrxe exei apokalyfqei kai apo ekei kai pera h entimothta xarakthrizei th diaxeirish. H gynaika toy Kaisaros kai prepei na einai timia kai prepei na to deixnei. Ayto kanoyme.

LAMPRAKOS: Eipate oti yparxei syspeirwsh twn opadwn, oti allazei to klima yper toy PASOK. Hqela na rwthsw, ean gnwrizete kati gia tis dhmoskophseis poy prokeitai na doyn syntoma to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw apolytws tipota. Einai safes -kai ayto den exei na kanei me kamia dhmoskophsh, exei na kanei me thn aisqhsh poy exoyme apo thn ellhnikh koinwnia- oti yparxei, idiaitera ton teleytaio kairo, ena qetiko klima gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh mesa sthn koinwnia. To klima ayto einai apotoko twn metrwn poy exoyme labei, me ajiopistia kai synepeia, einai apotoko ths prowqhshs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy poy epixeiroyme, opws epishs kai twn prooptikwn, poy xarajame me thn kataqesh ths Oikonomikhs kai Koinwnikhs Xartas. Einai safes oti exoyme poly dromo akoma. Einai safes oti den eimaste se proeklogikh periodo. Einai safes oti exoyme enan anhforiko dromo mprosta mas, wste na feroyme plhrws se peras to ergo mas kai na exoyme ylopoihsei thn entolh poy phrame apo ton ellhniko lao, mexri thn teleytaia grammh toy programmatos mas. Ayto qa ginei, giati yparxei ena kalytero klima poy mas dhmioyrgei aisiodojia. Yparxei polys kai anhforikos dromos mprosta mas gia na antapokriqoyme sto kaqhkon mas poy einai h epilysh twn problhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Gnwrizoyme oti prepei na doylecoyme poly akoma. Kai qa to kanoyme. Stis ekloges ths anoijhs, eimaste bebaioi oti qa exoyme dhmioyrghsei toys oroys gia th nea nikh.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Se ekqesh toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias anaferetai oti h kybernhsh, to ypoyrgeio, protiqetai na allajei ton tropo xrhmatodothshs twn Panepisthmiwn kai apo to krithrio toy ariqmoy foithtwn na eisagei to krithrio twn stoxwn. Qelw na rwthsw, ean ayto alhqeyei kai deyteron, poioi einai aytoi oi stoxoi poy qa eisaxqoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na perimenoyme na epistecei o ypoyrgos Paideias kai na ginoyn oi sxetikes analytikes anafores, gia na syzhthsoyme meta. Se kaqe periptwsh, o,ti einai anagkaio gia beltiwseis se ayth thn kateyqynsh, na eiste bebaioi oti to kanoyme.

SIDERHS: Epanerxomai sto qema twn aerodiadromwn. Boyleytes toy PASOK paraponeqhkan dioti den enhmerwqhkan aytoi kai enhmerwqhkan apo ton toyrkiko Typo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anafereste sth xqesinh diadikasia ths Boylhs, profanws.

SIDERHS: Nai. Parallhla, oloklhrwqhke kai o 14os gyros twn ellhno-toyrkikwn synomiliwn kai h armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs den gnwrizei tipota gi ayto. Qa to onomazate ayto ``mystikh diplwmatia'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi bebaia. Taktika ginetai enhmerwsh sth Boylh gia ola ta qemata poy aforoyn thn ejwterikh politikh mas. Ginetai taktikotath enhmerwsh apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy kai se polla qemata kai apo ton ypoyrgo Anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn T. Giannitsh. Mia tetoia enhmerwsh egine kai xqes sth Boylh, analytika, gyrw apo to qema twn aerodiadromwn apo ton k. Taso Giannitsh. Den katalabainw poia einai ``h mystikh diplwmatia''. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi syzhthseis gia ta qemata Elladas-Toyrkias, ginontai se anwtato yphresiako epipedo kai gnwrizete, epishs, oti den exoyme kapoio sygkekrimeno apotelesma mexri ayth th stigmh. Gia ola ayta ta zhthmata, molis yparjei mia orath eikona, molis yparxoyn ta prwta symperasmata, fysika enhmerwnontai kai ta politika kommata kai h Boylh. Alimono. Eimaste oi teleytaioi gia toys opoioys mporei kaneis na milhsei gia ``mystikh diplwmatia''. To antiqeto malista.

GARGALAKOS: To nomosxedio poy paroysiasate gia thn ydrodothsh kai hlektrodothsh ayqairetwn ktismatwn, prokalese mia kritikh apo polles pleyras, oxi mono apo pleyras antipoliteyshs, egine logos gia nomosxedio chfoqhrikoy xarakthra, poy prepei na aposyrqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeinoi poy milhsan gia chfoqhrikoy xarakthra nomosxedio den to exoyn diabasei kai den exoyn mpei kan ston kopo na ejetasoyn tis sygkekrimenes diatajeis toy. As to katalaboyn kala: Qa proxwrhsoyme plhrws sto ergo mas. To nomosxedio ayto dhmioyrgei mia nea bash, ena neo systhma, oson afora to qema ths xorhghshs twn oikodomikwn adeiwn. Ena systhma apotelesmatiko, elegjimo, diafanes. Apo kei kai pera, ean mesw aytoy toy systhmatos ginetai kai mia kinhsh, me sebasmo stis anagkes toy anqrwpoy, opws epishs kai sebasmo se zhthmata sxetika me thn dhmosia ygeia, den mporw na katalabw giati merikoi ekfrazoyn antiqesh! Toys peirazei, telika, oti anakoyfizontai aploi anqrwpoi, anqrwpoi toy moxqoy, oi opoioi etyxe kapoia sygkekrimenh stigmh, na exoyn ktisei ena ayqaireto (oxi se xwro poy dhmioyrgei idiaitera problhmata) kai oi opoioi elpizoyn oti qa mporesoyn na to nomimopoihsoyn mesa apo tis yparxoyses diadikasies; Ayto einai to problhma poy toys enoxlei toso poly; Oi idioi, ean den to eixame kanei, qa emfanizan aytoys toys anqrwpoys na diamartyrontai. Einai oi idioi poy qa to ekanan prwtoi. Einai oi idioi poy ferontai idiaitera ypokritika se ayto to zhthma. Oi idioi poy qa miloysan gia thn adiaforia ths kybernhshs mprosta ston anqrwpino pono. Aytoi oi idioi anqrwpoi erxontai twra na mas poyn peri dhqen chfoqhrikwn katastasewn. Akoyste, loipon: Arketa me thn ypokrisia. Bazoyme safeis, staqeroys kai diafaneis kanones. Kai mesa se ayto kanoyme mia kinhsh me sebasmo ston anqrwpo kai tis anagkes toy. Mia kinhsh anakoyfishs kapoiwn anqrwpwn poy breqhkan se kapoia anagkh, xwris na shmainei ayto oti nomimopoioyme kanena ayqaireto. Qetontas malista aysthroys kanones gia orismenes periptwseis. As frontisoyn, toylaxiston, aytoi poy speydoyn na xysoyn krokodeilia dakrya, na diabasoyn to nomosxedio.

ZOYLAS: To erwthma moy einai, giati den egine ayto ta teleytaia tria xronia kai ginetai toys teleytaioys aytoys mhnes kai dinete etsi to prosxhma se aytoys poy....;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai loipon; Den eimaste se proeklogikh periodo, to tonisa ligo prin. Katatalabete to kala: Oi ekloges qa ginoyn thn anoijh. Kai ws tote qa prowqhqoyn polla nomosxedia kai qa ylopoihqoyn polles parembaseis, wste na oloklhrwqei plhrws to kybernhtiko ergo. Oso pio grhgora to synhqisoyn oloi ayto, toso to kalytero.

POYLIDOY: Mia apo tis kritikes poy akoysa gi ayto to nomosxedio xqes, einai oti praktika ginetai kaqe dyo xronia mia nea dieyqethsh-nomimopoihsh twn ayqairetwn. Ara, giati na sebontai oi polites toys nomoys otan yparxei enas tropos diafyghs kai epishmopoihshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tropos diafyghs. Diabaste to nomosxedio. Eimaste kathgorhmatikoi gia zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me ton aigialo, toys arxaiologikoys xwroys kai tis dasikes ektaseis. Eimaste kathgorhmatikoi opoy exoyme na kanoyme me sygkekrimenes -kai elegxomenes malista pleon- diadikasies gia th xorhghsh twn adeiwn kai ton tropo elegxoy ths poreias ekteleshs twn adeiwn. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei mia pragmatikothta: Gia ena xroniko diasthma mexri na oloklhrwqoyn ta genika poleodomika sxedia kai oi adeies poleodomhshs, yparxoyn kapoioi anqrwpoi -kai einai ena gegonos ayto- poy einai xwris nero kai reyma, oi opoioi elpizoyn oti qa mporesoyn na nomimopoihsoyn ta ktismata toys me kanonikes diadikasies. Aplws den einai etoimes oi meletes. Aytoys toys anqrwpoys qa synexisoyme na toys afhnoyme xwris nero kai reyma se mia organwmenh koinwnia; Ayto einai to erwthma. Epanalambanw oti oi idioi anqrwpoi poy mexri xqes qa exynan krokodeilia dakrya, yposthrizontas oti aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy exoyn ayta ta spitia paramenoyn xwris nero kai reyma, aytoi poy qa miloysan gia anqrwpino pono, oi idioi anqrwpoi shmera speydoyn na mas kathgorhsoyn dioti apo mia kinhsh stoixeiwdoys allhleggyhs kai anqrwpias, probainoyme sth xorhghsh neroy kai reymatos. Arketa pia me thn ypokrisia.

POYLIDOY: Mhn me taytizete me ayth th merida kritikhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den sas taytizw. Aplws briskw thn eykairia na kanw thn antepiqesh moy.

POYLIDOY: Kalws briskete thn eykairia. Egw aplws diaxwrizw th qesh moy. Qelw, omws, na sas pw oti sthn epomenh fysikh katastrofh, eseis, h kybernhsh qa bgeite kai qa peite gia ta ayqaireta, ta opoia xtisthkan panw se remata...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei ejaireqei rhta to rema. Exei ejaireqei kaqe ayqaireto poy brisketai se rema, se dasikh ektash, se arxaiologiko xwro kai aigialo. Me ayta teleiwsame.

SIDERHS: Koinos stoxos shmera, apo eidikoys, se radiofwna kai thleoraseis htan...

PRWTOPAPAS: To ``SKAI'' ennoeite; Den einai ``radiofwna kai thleoraseis'', einai ena sygkekrimeno radiofwno.

SIDERHS: Oxi. Parakoloyqhsa, gia paradeigma, to ``STAR'', thn ekpomph toy k. Koyik kai eida oti elegan oti qa orgiasei h ayqairesia wspoy na efarmostoyn. Phrate kapoia metra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw poioi einai ``oi eidikoi''.

SIDERHS: O Proedros toy Syllogoy twn Arxitektonwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti to nomosxedio einai sxedon etoimo, paroysiasthke xqes, qa erqei grhgora sth Boylh. Apo kei kai pera, ean qeloyme na xynoyme krokodeilia dakrya, pote gia to ena kai pote gia to allo qema, gia qemata ta opoia metajy toys einai antiqeta, mas phran eidhsh, den peiqoyme kanenan. Emeis eimaste synepeis se mia poreia. As frontisoyn kai oi alloi na kanoyn to idio. Kai den anaferomai se proswpa, anaferomai se orismenes logikes poy anaptyxqhkan shmera to prwi.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Afoy ejairoyntai remata, arxaiologikoi xwroi k.lp. pote qa mpoyn mpoylntozes na katedafistoyn ayta ta ayqaireta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoiadhpote stigmh.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Pote; O kybernhtikos sxediasmos ti leei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas qymizw oti exoyme ekxwrhsei thn armodiothta ayth stis Nomarxies kai toys Dhmoys. Epishs, qelw na sas qymisw oti xqes o k. Xristodoylakhs jekaqarise oti o opoiosdhpote Nomarxhs h Dhmarxos zhthsei xrhmata gia katedafiseis qa ta exei amesws.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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