Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-07-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ioylioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Shmera, einai h teleytaia synanthsh mas, prin apo tis qerines diakopes. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti thn epomenh ebdomada qa eimai sto grafeio moy gia o,ti xreiasteite.

Isws, xreiastei na sas kalesw kai gia kapoies dhlwseis, analoga kai me tis ejelijeis.

Oson afora th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, poy qa ginei thn epomenh Pempth, h enhmerwsh mporei na ginei sth Boylh.

Apo tis 4 Aygoystoy qa einai sth diaqesh sas, gia otidhpote xreiasteite, o yfypoyrgos Thlemaxos Xythrhs.

Qa hqela na sas eyxhqw kales diakopes. H politikh enhmerwsh qa epanarxisei, th Deytera, 25 Aygoystoy.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela eisagwgikws na kanw dyo dhlwseis:

Se omilia toy, thn Tetarth sthn Peykh, o Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias eipe oti "h polh mas einai prwtaqlhtria sthn akribeia" kai ennooyse bebaiws thn Aqhna. Prin alektwr lalhsei tris, o k. Karamanlhs, gia mia akomh fora, diaceysthke oiktra. Qa exete dei shmerina dhmosieymata, opoy o OOSA katatassei th xwra mas ws th deyterh fqhnoterh, meta thn Portogalia, stis 15 ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Bebaiws, den perimename tipota kalytero apo ton k. Karamanlh. Prepei, omws, na dhlwsw to ejhs: Gia mia akomh fora, oi dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh apodeiknyontai ws idiaitera anajiopistes. Ayto den mas ekplhssei. Einai synhqes pleon to fainomeno. Ekeino poy pragmatika, omws, qeloyme na epishmanoyme, ws idiaitera arnhtiko, einai to na prospaqei kaneis na dysfhmisei thn polh toy kai th xwra toy kai malista en mesw toyristikhs periodoy.

H deyterh parathrhsh poy exw na kanw einai h ejhs: Plhroforoymai apo shmerina dhmosieymata oti thn Trith o Proedros ths N.D. qa paei sth Boylh gia na parembei sthn tropologia gia to qema toy "poqen esxes". Bebaiws, ayth h tropologia exei apodeixqei, hdh, ws axrhsth, meta th sxetikh gnwmateysh toy Episthmonikoy Symboylioy ths Boylhs. To erwthma, omws, poy qetoyme kai pragmatika qa perimename mia apanthsh, estw kai thn Trith, apo ton k. Karamanlh, einai: "Qa parei epiteloys apofash na anoijei kai aytos toys kwdikoys twn boyleytwn toy"; Nai h oxi; Einai h wra ths diafaneias, einai h wra ths alhqeias. Ta cemata teleiwsan. Perimenoyme, epiteloys, mia stash eyqynhs apo th N.D..

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: O k. Ebert kateqese shmera ena shmeiwma sth Boylh, to opoio afora thn poreia ths Agrotikhs Xrhmatisthriakhs. Se ayto anaferei oti kai o Proedros ths epixeirhshs k. Lamproy, me ena diko toy kwdiko, ekane proswpiko paixnidi sto Xrhmatisthrio me metoxes qygatrikhs etairias ths Ellhnikhs Biomhxanias Zaxarhs kai ton kathgorei oti kerdoskophse. To xarakthrizei skandalo kai zhta gi@ ayto na lhfqoyn metra. Ti apantate;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Ebert exei qesei to qema twn synallagwn toy k. Lamproy kai allh fora. Prin apo merikes ebdomades, eixa dei to qema se prwtoselida efhmeridwn. Yphrje kai tote mia plhrhs kai oloklhrwmenh apanthsh toy k. Petroy Lamproy, sthn opoia eixe topoqethqei synolika panw sto qema kai sthn opoia sas parapempw. Peran aytoy, qa ejetasoyme ti leei o k. Ebert, efoson to zhta apo th Boylh, kai qa yparjoyn apanthseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Yparxei, shmera, ena dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida "Apofash", poy xrhzei dieykrinishs. Sas diabazw ti akribws leei: "O ypoyrgos epi twn Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy exei hdh apeyqynqei se diakekrimenoys syntagmatologoys gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, me basiko stoxo na jefygei ayto apo th logikh toy eirhneytikoy Sxedioy toy Kofi Anan". An ayto einai alhqes, shmainei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh allazei politikh sto Kypriako; Ektos Sxedioy Anan blepei lysh toy Kypriakoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kinoyntai panta sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Gia to dhmosieyma, ti lete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti to diaceydw.

KARGOYDH: Epanerxomai se ayto poy eipate gia ton k. Karamanlh oti dysfhmei th xwra kai thn polh kai malista entos toyristikhs periodoy. Qelw na rwthsw, ean kathgoreite ton k. Karamanlh gia elleich empeirias h gia plhmmelh epignwsh twn oikonomikwn megeqwn h gia syneidhth yponomeysh, kata to prosfato parelqon, ths oikonomias, shmera toy toyrismoy, pali dhladh ths oikonomias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia genikh stash toy k. Karamanlh. Epeidh einai desmios ths lanqasmenhs protashs toy gia prowres ekloges, oysiastika den qelei na ginetai tipota sth xwra. Qelei na ta paroysiazei ola gkriza kai mayra. Ola katestrammena kai asxhma. Den distazei na dysfhmizei th xwra kai na yponomeyei to qetiko klima sthn oikonomia. To exoyme jekaqarisei ayto pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Einai mia katastrofikh politikh ths N.D.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: H kybernhsh exei thn aisqhsh oti h polh mas einai fqhnh; Giati akoyme ton k. Koyloyrh na kanei kaqe mera ejaggelies kai na phgainei stis laikes gia na anaxaitisei to kyma akribeias sthn agora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka epi ths dhlwshs toy k. Karamanlh, poy leei oti "eimaste prwtaqlhtes sthn akribeia". Einai mia dhlwsh anajiopisth kai epikindynh, idiaitera en mesw toyristikhs periodoy, opoy o kaqe toyristas sygkrinei. Apo ekei kai pera, ean me rwtate, ean yparxoyn problhmata me thn akribeia gia to portofoli toy Ellhna, apantw eyqews "nai". Gi@ ayto to logo lambanoyme kai qa synexisoyme na lambanoyme ola ta metra gia na feroyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Einai mia maxh poy dinoyme kai qa synexisoyme na dinoyme. Alla, einai allo na les "dinoyme maxh gia na mhn aneboyn oi times h gia opoy exoyn anebei na to empodisoyme kai na xtyphsoyme thn aisxrokerdeia" kai einai allo na bgaineis en mesw toyristikhs periodoy kai na les "eimai o prwtos sthn akribeia, dhladh oysiastika mhn erqete". Exei megalh diafora to ena apo to allo.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Xqes, o k. Koyloyrhs, se radiofwnikh synenteyjh, eipe oti peripoy to 40% toy tziroy poy diakineitai sthn kentrikh laxanagora einai paranomo, dhladh kineitai apo paranoma kyklwmata. Pote to anakalyce ayto h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Koyloyrhs anaferqhke se mia seira symperasmata kai ekane sygkekrimenes prajeis, opws gnwrizete. Emeis den kanoyme diapistwseis sthn politikh mas. Ayta ta afhnoyme se alloys. Emeis kanoyme prajeis. Opws gnwrizete, o k. Koyloyrhs esteile kapoioys kai ston eisaggelea. Ayto htan kai mhnyma me polloys apodektes. Den htan h telikh prajh. Kai kyriws htan mhnyma gia ekeinoys poy nomizoyn oti mporoyn na aisxrokerdoyn kai na paizoyn me to portofoli toy Ellhna polith. Eimaste apofasismenoi na sygkroystoyme me aytes tis logikes. Poly kala kanei o k. Koyloyrhs kai kineitai etsi.

POYLIDOY: Diabasa oti to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, peripoy anagnwrizei th dikaiodosia twn eidikwn dikasthriwn poy sygkrothse o k. Ntenktas. Hqela na rwthsw ean einai etsi kai ean apo tis dikes sas epejergasies qewreite oti etsi exoyn ta pragmata kai ti skefteste na kanete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata, h ermhneia einai ``trabhgmenh''. Meletoyme nomika to qema, alla den yparxei emmesh anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys.

POYLIDOY: Exete enhmerwqei gia to porisma poy elabe o Proedros k. Papadopoylos gia tis ``sakoyles twn skoypidiwn'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Milhsa xqes me ton kybernhtiko ekproswpo k. Xrysostomidh kai moy eipe oti qa mas enhmerwsei otan qa ekdoqei to porisma.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Shmera o G.G. toy YPEXWDE milwntas sto radiofwno toy SKAI kai erwthqeis gia tis dyo nees parapompes ths xwras mas sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio -h mia gia tis anejelegktes xwmateres kai h allh gia ton biologiko kaqarismo ths Cytalleias- eipe oti yparxoyn Ellhnes ypallhloi ths Commission, oi opoioi briskontai pisw apo thn allagh stashs ths E.E. kai pisw apo thn epiqetikh ayth stash poy krataei h E.E. enanti ths xwras mas. Qa hqela na moy peite ean symmerizeste aytes tis ektimhseis, ean exei gnwsh h kybernhsh h ean qelete na apanthsete kapoia allh stigmh gi ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den mporw ej oloklhroy na to ektimhsw giati den exw plhrh enhmerwsh. Den einai, omws, h prwth fora poy orismenoi Ellhnes ypallhloi ths Commission prwtostatoyn se prajeis, oi opoies eyqews strefontai kata ths xwras toys. Exoyme dei tetoia fainomena sto parelqon. Na eiste bebaioi oti qa epimeinoyme sth sxetikh diergasia kai ean telika apodeixqei kati tetoio -kratw to ``ean''- tote den qa distasoyme na to sthliteysoyme. Bebaiws, prepei na eimaste ypeyqynoi gia toys XYTA, na mhn kynhgame prwta ti mas ftaiei kai na koitame prwta ti kanoyme emeis. Ayto poy prepei na doyme einai oti den prepei na rixnoyme tis eyqynes alloy, alla na koitame prwta ti kanoyme emeis. H politikh poy akoloyqei to YPEXWDE sto qema twn XYTA, einai idiaitera apotelesmatikh kai elpidofora, se sxesh me ta prosdokwmena apotelesmata. Den distase na sygkroystei gia na lyqei to qema twn XYTA sthn Attikh kai den qa distasei prokeimenoy na lyqoyn ta analoga zhthmata se olh thn Ellada. Den mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme allo me ayth thn ayqairesia kai thn anabolh epilyshs toy problhmatos. Ean einai na sygkroystoyme, qa sygkroystoyme. Kai qa sygkroystoyme, giati h politikh poy akoloyqei h ka Papandreoy einai swsth. Prepei mia kai kalh na lyqei ayto to problhma. Epi ths oysias, emeis qa lysoyme to problhma. Einai dyo, loipon, oi ptyxes toy zhthmatos.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: To sxolio sas afora kai to xeirismo toy biologikoy kaqarismoy ths Cytalleias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, to sxolio moy afora idiaitera toys XYTA. Analoga, swsth doyleia akoloyqei to YPEXWDE kai gia to biologiko kaqarismo ths Cytalleias. To YPEXWDE mila th glwssa ths alhqeias, analambanei tis eyqynes toy kai dinei lyseis. Kai se ayto to triptyxo qelw na epimeinw. Exoyme mia sygkekrimenh politikh ston tomea ayto, h opoia den einai tyxaio oti synanta eyryterh apodoxh. Ola ayta ta aposyndew apo thn tyxon stash kapoiwn Ellhnwn.

MPOTWNHS: H N.D. kai me bash ayta poy syzhthqhkan sth Diypoyrgikh, enocei ths DEQ, alla kai gia ta erga ston Peiraia, yposthrizei oti ola ayta ginontai me ena eidos -qa elege kaneis- xarakthra proeklogikoy. Einai desmeyseis proeklogikoy xarakthra. Giati, leei, asxoleiste twra me ayta ta problhmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata ton k. Roysopoylo kai th N.D. epomenws, den prepei na asxoloymaste me ta erga ths Qessalonikhs kai toy Peiraia, den prepei na kybernatai h xwra, den prepei na ginetai tipota, giati ekanan laqos oi anqrwpoi. Giati thn ``pathsane'' kai zhthsan prowres ekloges. Den qa akoloyqhsoyme, th logikh poy leei h xwra, ta symferonta twn politwn, ta symferonta ths koinwnias, na einai desmia twn lanqasmenwn epilogwn ths N.D. kai twn lanqasmenwn kinhsewn toy k. Karamanlh. As bgei kai as pei ``ekana laqos''. Den einai dynaton na zhta na mhn proxwroyn ta erga kai oi politikes, na dysfhmei th xwra toy, apla kai mono giati ekane laqos kai desmeyqhke se mia politikh poy den ton odhgei poyqena. Blepete, ti ginetai olo ayto ton kairo. Arnhsh apo th N.D. gia th syzhthsh toy eklogikoy nomoy, arnhsh na anoijoyn toys kwdikoys toys, laqh se sxesh me thn politikh toys sto qema twn timwn kai dysfhmish ths xwras, ekei poy den yphrxe logos. Kai bebaiws kamia probolh kapoias protashs, kapoias prooptikhs gia to ayrio. Jexasan akoma kai tis protaseis poy eixan kanei gia thn paideia, gia tis protaseis poy dhqen qa ekanan gia to agrotiko. Den mpainoyn ston kopo, oyte kan na tis proballoyn. Einai ena komma, to opoio exei egklwbistei se adiejoda. Alla, ayth h politikh einai epikindynh gia th xwra.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh anafereste syxna sth laqos ektimhsh ths N.D. gia piqanothta prowrwn eklogwn, nomizete oti h xqesinh emmesh parembash toy k. Mhtsotakh, epanefere ek neoy thn protash toy gia paraithsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai ara, proklhsh prowrwn eklogwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhse gia piqanothta, to zhthse. Zhthse prowres ekloges. Den qelw na topoqethqw allo ep` aytoy. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw einai to ejhs: Oti emeis protimoyme na skeptomaste o,ti leme kai o,ti prattoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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