Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-07-24

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Ioylioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to opoio, meta apo eishghsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs Filippoy Petsalnikoy, epeleje omofwna ws:

-Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy ton mexri twra Antiproedro Dhmhtrio Lino.

-Antiproedroys toy Areioy Pagoy toys Areopagites Qeodwro Lafazano, Nikolao Gewrgilh, Styliano Paterakh kai Aqanasio Krhtiko.

-Antiproedros toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias epelegh o mexri twra Symboylos Epikrateias Panagiwths Flwros.

-Antiproedros toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy epelegh o Iwannhs Karabokyrhs.

Eyxomaste stoys epilegentes kalh doyleia sto pragmatika dyskolo leitoyrghma toys.

Synedriase, epishs, to KYSEA kai meta apo eishghsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs Giwrgoy Flwridh pareteine thn kata genikh omologia petyxhmenh qhteia toy Arxhgoy ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias Fwth Nasiakoy gia enan akomh xrono, opws exei dikaiwma.

O Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn ikanopoihsh toy gia to ergo ths EL.AS., kaqws kai gia tis ikanothtes kai to dhmioyrgiko ergo toy Arxhgoy ths Fwth Nasiakoy, idiaitera sto meizon qema ths syllhchs kai ejarqrwshs ths tromokratikhs organwshs "17N'.

Meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai toy KYSEA, pragmatopoihqhke syskech miktoy klimakioy kybernhshs kai kommatos. Antikeimeno ths syskechs htan h proetoimasia ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Dieqnh Ekqesh ths Qessalonikhs.

Sth syskech symmeteixan oi proerxomenoi apo th Qessalonikh ypoyrgoi Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos, Eyaggelos Benizelos, Xarhs Kastanidhs kai Giwrgos Pasxalidhs. Epishs, oi ypoyrgoi Nikos Xristodoylakhs, Dhmhtrhs Reppas, Basw Papandreoy, Kwstas Stefanhs, Petros Eyqymioy, Xrhstos Berelhs, Xrhstos Paxtas, o ypofainomenos kai o Thlemaxos Xythrhs.

Ek meroys toy kommatos htan parontes o Grammateas toy PASOK Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs kai ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy Dhmhtrhs Qanos kai Xrysa Arapogloy.

Syzhthqhkan organwtika qemata gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth DEQ, zhthmata poy aforoyn to programma ths trihmerhs episkechs (5,6 kai 7 Septembrioy). H syzhthsh epektaqhke kai se ola ta qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn prowqhsh toy ergoy poy synteleitai ayth th stigmh sth Qessalonikh, oson afora ta dhmosia erga kai ta erga ypodomhs, kaqws kai se qemata Ygeias, Paideias kai Apasxolhshs, wste na dhmioyrghqei ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio, mia oloklhrwmenh strathgikh gia ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th Qessalonikh. Ayth th stigmh to synoliko ergo poy synteleitai kai prowqeitai exei proypologismo -poy pragmatika exei ena entypwsiako ycos- 1,5 trisekatommyrioy draxmwn.

O Prwqypoyrgos edwse entoles gia thn prowqhsh twn ergwn se oloys toys tomeis, me prooptikh na yparxoyn to taxytero sygkekrimena apotelesmata, alla kai na sygkrothqei to synoliko sxedio mas, h synolikh strathgikh mas gia thn epilysh twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn th Qessalonikh.

Qelw, epishs, na kanw mia eisagwgikh dhlwsh: Xqes yphrje mia apofash ths Episthmonikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs, se plhrh synergasia me toys dikastikoys poy symmetexoyn sthn Epitroph toy poqen esxes. Opws gnwrizete, symfwna me ayth thn apofash einai perittes oi tropologies, oi opoies exoyn katateqei apo ton Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Den xreiazetai kamia tropologia, kamia nomoqetikh parembash, prokeimenoy na anoijoyn kai na elegxqoyn oi kwdikoi twn boyleytwn.

Meta apo ayth th xqesinh ejelijh, h opoia den amfisbhteitai apo kanenan, qelw na dhlwsw ta ejhs: Kai oi teleytaioi isxyrismoi kai oi profaseis ths N.D. gia dhqen anagkh tropologiwn gia to anoigma twn kwdikwn katepese. Ta cemata teleiwsan. Emeis proxwroyme kai anoigoyme toys kwdikoys twn boyleytwn mas, wste na elegxqoyn oles oi xrhmatisthriakes synallages mas. Einai wra na tolmhsei h N.D. na kanei to idio kai gia toys boyleytes ths. Elpizw oti den qa exei kati na fobhqei kai kati na krycei. Einai wra me qarros na parei ayth thn apofash. Thn kaloyme twra, xwris alles profaseis, xwris alles kaqysterhseis na to kanei.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Me dedomenh th xqesinh gnwmodothsh twn nomikwn ths Epitrophs den htan ejisoy peritth kai h prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy na kalesei toys boyleytes toy na apodexqoyn thn arsh toy aporrhtoy, afoy ayto qa mporoyse na to kanei h Epitroph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, giati einai meizwn politikh prajh, na to zhta o idios o boyleyths. Einai prajh eyqynhs kai diafaneias, na erxetai o kaqe boyleyths xwrista kai na leei, ``egw, ws boyleyths toy PASOK, zhtw na anoijete ton kwdiko moy kai na elegjete tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages moy''. Qa mporoysa na pw oti yparxoyn kai deytereyonta zhthmata, opws me tis syzygoys, alla den qelw na meinoyme ekei. Ayta den kalyptontai me apofash ths Epitrophs toy poqen esxes, gia paradeigma gia tis syzygoys, opws exei zhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos. Gi` ayta xreiazetai eidikh dhlwsh. Den menoyme omws ekei, ayto qewreitai prajh politikhs eyqynhs.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate gia thn paratash ths qhteias toy k. Nasiakoy, poy qewreitai petyxhmenh, kata genikh omologia. Ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh me mia seira problhmatwn ergasiakoy kai oikonomikoy periexomenoy poy antimetwpizoyn ta Swmata Asfaleias -kai exoyme mia shmerinh diamartyria- opoy se ayth thn petyxhmenh poreia toy k. Nasiakoy synebalan kai ta Swmata Asfaleias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me idiaiterh eyqynh h kybernhsh kai anagnwrizontas thn prosfora twn andrwn twn Swmatwn Asfaleias, exei proxwrhsei se dialogo mazi toys gia thn epilysh mias seiras problhmatwn toys kai thn anabaqmish ths oikonomikhs qeshs toys. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn ejedwse xqes mia analytikh anakoinwsh, opoy fainontai oles oi kinhseis poy exoyn ginei apo thn kybernhsh gia th beltiwsh ths oikonomikhs qeshs twn Astynomikwn. Bebaiws, o dialogos prepei na synexistei kai h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na labei prosqeta qetika metra poy toys aforoyn. Ayto exei tonistei kai apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo Oikonomikwn se syzhthsh poy eixe mazi toys. Panta, bebaiws, aytes oi kinhseis qa ginoyn mesa stis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias kai sta periqwria poy aytes oi dynatothtes dinoyn. H kybernhsh exei qetikh proqesh, mesa apo to dialogo, na staqei konta stoys astynomikoys ypallhloys, na antimetwpisei qetika ta problhmata toys, omws, mesa se sygkekrimena eyloga plaisia poy mas ypoxrewnoyn -qa elega- oi dynatothtes ths oikonomias.

Me thn eykairia ayth, qa hqela na tonisw ta ejhs: Einai eynohto na exoyn kai oi astynomikoi ypallhloi tis diekdikhseis toys, tis qeseis toys, poy einai apolyta sebastes giati einai mia sygkekrimenh koinwnikh omada. Einai, omws, allo ayto kai allo na akoygetai -kai to tonizw ayto giati kati tetoio den exei diatypwqei epishma, ej oswn gnwrizw mexri ayth th stigmh- oti protiqentai na kanoyn poreia pros kai kata th diarkeia ths ekdhlwshs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, sto Proedriko Megaro, me thn eykairia ths shmerinhs epeteioy ths apokatastashs ths Dhmokratias. Den qelw na pisteyw oti qa breqei Ellhnas poliths, poy sebetai th Dhmokratia, eidika enstolos, poy na synainesei se mia tetoia prajh. Dioti mia tetoia prajh qa apodynamwsei tis diekdikhseis twn idiwn twn astynomikwn ypallhlwn, alla qa dhmioyrghsei kai entypwseis gia alloy typoy skopimothtes, poy den exoyn sxesh me ta pragmatika problhmata toys. Qelw na kalesw ta syndikata twn Swmatwn Asfaleias na skefqoyn me idiaitero epaggelmatismo, eyqynh kai aisqhsh ths koinwnikhs apostolhs toys, to qema ayto kai na mhn proxwrhsoyn se tetoioy eidoys energeies. Emeis, me th seira mas, qa synexisoyme to dialogo, prokeimenoy, sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn mas, na antimetwpisoyme ta pragmatika problhmata toys kai na beltiwsoyme thn oikonomikh qesh toys. Epishs, qelw na kalesw ola ta politika kommata kai idiaitera to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, na paroyn qesh apenanti se ena tetoio endexomeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete thn epistolh ths hgesias twn astynomikwn ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

PRWTOPAPAS: To kaqe syndikato exei dikaiwma na stelnei epistoles ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Esteile epistolh gi` ayto akribws poy eipate, gia to qema ths hmeras ths apokatastashs ths Dhmokratias kai dinei ejhghseis oti den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Ayto poy eseis shmera emplekete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den pisteyw oti ta syndikata qa apofasisoyn telika na kanoyn mia tetoia energeia -opws akoygetai, tonizw- na proxwrhsoyn se mia strofh ths poreias, pros kai kata th diarkeia ths ekdhlwshs sto Proedriko Megaro. Pragmatika kati tetoio qa htan arnhtiko gia toys idioys toys astynomikoys ypallhloys kai qa erxotan se eyqeia antiqesh me thn prowqhsh twn diekdikhsewn kai twn aithmatwn toys. Bebaiws, qa edine dikaiologhmenh labh na milhsei kaneis gia alles skopimothtes. Einai, loipon, h wra ths eyqynhs gia toys idioys kai gia ta politika kommata. Emeis leme, nai, sth synexish toy dialogoy gia th beltiwsh ths qeshs toys. Alla, kaneis den mporei na dexqei, kata ton opoiodhpote tropo, na yparjei parakwlysh h na dhmioyrghqoyn problhmata se mia tetoia megalh stigmh gia th Dhmokratia mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla to syndikato twn astynomikwn esteile epistolh ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai ejhgei oti den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo..

PRWTOPAPAS: Ara, fantazomai oti den qa erqoyn sthn ekdhlwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekdhlwsh qa kanoyn, alla den exei kamia sxesh me thn ekdhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epomenws, den qa erqoyn sthn ekdhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ayto moy lete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den jerw an den qa erqoyn. Den qa mpoyn mesa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai h diafora mas. Kaneis den qelei na empodisei tis diekdikhseis toys kai thn poreia toys. Ayto einai safes. Alla kapoia stigmh prepei na epilegeis poy odhgeis thn poreia kai se poia stigmh. Oxi th stigmh ths ekdhlwshs gia thn apokatastash ths Dhmokratias mas. Qa dhmioyrghqoyn alles mnhmes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate gia dialogo. Ean o dialogos ginetai tosa xronia, giati den pairnoyn ``mia'' kai synexws o k. Xrysoxoidhs toys koroideye; To anaferoyn sthn anakoinwsh toys. Thn exete ypoch sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw ypoch thn anakoinwsh toys, alla exw ypoch kai thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, thn opoia sas parakalw na diabasete, opoy den fainetai kati tetoio. Fainetai oti exoyn ginei sygkekrimenes kinhseis apo thn pleyra ths Politeias. Prwtos anagnwrizw oti prepei mesa apo to dialogo na prokycoyn qetika symperasmata gia toys astynomikoys ypallhloys. Alla, den shmainei oti den exoyn ginei kai polla mexri twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto prohgoymeno qema: Efoson h Episthmonikh Epitroph ths Boylhs to apofasise ayto, giati na mhn analabei o Proedros ths Boylhs gia oloys toys boyleytes kai na analabei to kaqe komma mono toy; Giati to kaqe komma, an brei kai kati, qa "koykoylwsei" toys dikoys toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: O elegxos den qa ginei apo kaqe komma. Qa ginei kai apo thn Epitroph ths Boylhs kai apo thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. Ara, den mporei na "koykoylwsei" kaneis tipota. Apo ekei kai pera, einai meizwn politikh prajh na erxetai o idios o boyleyths kai to idio to komma na to zhta. Twra, h N.D. krybetai. Kai rwtw, giati krybetai; Einai toso dyskolo na pei o k. Karamanlhs "proxwrhste kyrioi, anoijte toys kwdikoys sas, analabete tis eyqynes sas";

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn tropologia den th gnwrizete;

PRWTOPAPAS: H tropologia exei, hdh, akyrwqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati exei akyrwqei; Epeidh den sas symferei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai peritth, axrhsth, aoristh kai isws epikindynh, se sxesh me to prosdokwmeno apotelesma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na kanei, dhladh, ton elegxo o Qwmadakhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai mono gi@ ayto. Einai kai gia thn Epitroph "poqen esxes" ths Boylhs.

ZOYLAS: An den apatwmai, h basikh enstash ths N.D. -kai basei ayths kateqese thn tropologia- htan oti hqele kai epiqymoyse na dieyrynqoyn oi elegxoi kai se mh boyleytes, se proswpa poy genikotera sxetizontai me to dhmosio bio. Hqela na rwthsw, ean epilyetai ayto to problhma me th xqesinh apofash. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Yparxoyn, shmera, se orismena reportaz diafora nomika problhmata poy exoyn prokycei apo th xqesinh apofash. Qa dhmosiopoihqoyn mono ekeinoi gia toys opoioys exei diagnwstei oti exoyn probei se parabaseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa to ektimhsei h Epitroph toy "poqen esxes", h opoia pisteyw kanei kala th doyleia ths. Me thn eykairia, qa hqela na pw pros toys boyleytes ths N.D., poy metexoyn sthn Epitroph, na einai pio feidwloi stis dhlwseis toys, an den gnwrizoyn kapoia pragmata. Kai anaferomai se dhlwseis poy ekanan proxqes. As prosexoyn ligaki, epiteloys.

Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, qa hqela na pw oti prepei na teleiwsoyme me toys boyleytes, na fygei h skia panw apo ton politiko kosmo kai sth synexeia, edw eimaste gia na lysoyme ola ta ypoloipa. Einai krisimo zhthma gia mena -kai milw ws boyleyths- opws kai gia oloys mas, na fygei h skia poy epixeirhsan kapoioi na rijoyn panw mas.

ZOYLAS: Ypainisseste oti qa parei h kybernhsh mia prwtoboylia sthn kateyqynsh protashs ths N.D., ek twn ysterwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ypainissomai oti, ek twn pragmatwn, proxwroyme hdh se seira nomoqetikwn prwtoboyliwn kai allwn parembasewn poy apantoyn se ola ayta ta zhthmata. Opws gnwrizete, hdh o k. Skandalidhs anakoinwse oti qa yparjei nomoqetikh parembash, me thn opoia qa epekteinetai h apagoreysh xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn, peran twn ypoyrgwn kai genikwn grammatewn, stoys boyleytes, toys dioikhtes twn organismwn poy elegxei to Dhmosio, kaqws kai stoys nomarxes kai dhmarxoys. Einai mia meizwn politikh parembash kai ayth. Epishs, yparxei problhmatismos kai gia alla qemata. Ayto, omws, den sterei th dynatothta na jekinhsoyme apo toys boyleytes. Allwste, oi epiqeseis eginan enantion toy politikoy kosmoy. Einai wra na jekaqarisoyme ta pragmata. Einai h wra ths diafaneias, ths alhqeias.

ZOYLAS: Oi ypainigmoi akoysthkan kai gia proswpa ektos politikoy xwroy. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei ypainigmos, pleon. Na ginetai kataggelia. Yparxoyn eisaggeleis kai arxes gi@ ayto to qema.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: H N.D. zhta kati poly sygkekrimeno, na epektaqei o elegxos kai gia oloys osoi diaxeirizontai dhmosio xrhma. Den symmerizetai ayth thn anagkh h kybernhsh; Oxi, efejhs ti qa ginei, alla kai gia o,ti egine mexri twra. Dhladh, to "parti" toy Xrhmatisthrioy prohghqhke ths tropologias poy qa kataqesei h kybernhsh kai qa lhfqoyn metra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo to "parti" toy Xrhmatisthrioy, opws lete, qa exoyme na bgaloyme polla kai xrhsima symperasmata apo to anoigma twn kwdikwn kai orismenoi mporei na breqoyn pro ekplhjewn. Giati legontai polla, alla twra den einai h wra twn logwn. Einai h wra toy elegxoy twn prajewn.

Den katalabainw ti empodizei to ena to allo; As dexqei h N.D. to anoigma twn kwdikwn twn boyleytwn ths kai as synexisei na zhta to ypoloipo, to opoio den to exw apokleisei, opws eidate. To syzhtame. Opoioi einai enoxoi, na timwrhqoyn. Oloi oi ypoloipoi, poy einai h syntriptikh pleiochfia, kai den exoyn kanei kamia paranomh prajh kai oles oi kinhseis toys xarakthrizontai apo diafaneia, den exoyn kanena logo na blepoyn mia skia na aplwnetai gyrw toys. Se ayto to zhthma eimaste kaqetoi. H diafaneia qa epikrathsei pantoy. Opoios exei kati na krycei, na jerei oti ayto den qa ginei apodekto.

TSEMPERHS: Giati epimenete toso sto oti prepei na zhthsei o k. Karamanlhs na anoijoyn oi kwdikoi, otan h apofash poy feretai oti qa lhfqei apo thn Epitroph ths Boylhs, einai elegxos kai stoys 300. Den elegxei mono toys 157 dikoys sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Karamanlhs, fobatai na to zhthsei ayto;

TSEMPERHS: Mallon, den egina katanohtos. H Epitroph elegxei kai toys 300. Den elegxei mono toys 157.

PRWTOPAPAS: Fobatai o k. Karamanlhs na to pei o idios; Epanalambanw, ti fobatai o k. Karamanlhs kai den to kanei o idios; Ti exei na krycei; Ean den exei tipota na krycei, einai aplo na kanei mia dhlwsh. Ayto zhtame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H tropologia den to leei ayto; Epeidh egw th diabasa, leei gia toys kwdikoys kai twn 300 kai twn dioikhtwn Trapezwn kai ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras, giati aytoi epaizan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eiste ekproswpos ths efhmeridas "XWRA" kai oxi toy k. Karamanlh. Edw den kanoyme politiko dialogo. Kanete erwthseis kai me krinete meta.

KARGOYDH: Sxetika me to qema twn kinhtopoihsewn twn astynomikwn, qa hqela na rwthsw. Diabazoyme oti qeloyn na anagnwristei to epaggelma toys ws bary, anqygieino kai epikindyno. Einai mesa stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs, peran ths beltiwshs toy misqologikoy twn astynomikwn, na anagnwrisei kai qesmika ena tetoio rolo sthn Astynomia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sth xqesinh triselidh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, poy apanta se polla erwthmata sas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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