Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-07-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Ioylioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me qema tis ejelijeis sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Idiaitera, asxolhqhke me thn protash toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs gia to neo kwdika Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn. Sto sxedio poy enekriqh, qa yparjei dialogos, me prooptikh na katateqei sth Boylh, ton Oktwbrio. Einai mia megalh qesmikh allagh, mia allagh poy afora kai to qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, alla exei na kanei me thn allagh kai me thn ejyphrethsh twn symferontwn toy polith, panw ap' ola. Thn ejyphrethsh ths koinwnias, mesa kai apo to kratos, alla kai apo toys mhxanismoys ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Parallhla, o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse gia tis synanthseis toy me ta Proedreia ths KEDKE kai ths ENAE. Kleinontas, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke kai ajiologhse ws idiaitera qetika ta symperasmata apo tis periodeies poy eginan ypo ton syntonismo toy k. Akribakh me kybernhtika stelexh, kata to mhna Ioylio. Tonise idiaitera, oti kata tis periodeies aytes qa prepei na epidiwkoyme thn epafh me ton polith, me ton lao amesa kai oxi na arkoymaste mono se synanthseis - anagkaies ki aytes - me foreis. Prepei na exoyme amesh sxesh kai syzhthsh me to lao, me ton polith panw sta problhmata toy. Synexizontas, tonise oti qa prepei na meinoyme idiaitera sthn efarmogh toy programmatos kai gia to 3o dekahmero toy Aygoystoy kai ejoysiodothse ton k. Akribakh na kanei neo sxediasmo ejormhshs olwn twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn sthn Perifereia gia to trimhno Septembrioy-Dekembrioy.

Qa hqela na sxoliasw th xqesinh omilia toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs K. Karamanlh kai na pw ta ejhs: "O k. Karamanlhs synexizei tis gnwstes periodeies toy, emfanizomenos peripoy ws politikos toy 19oy aiwna. Den distazei na yposxetai, na tazei, menontas oysiastika se mia logikh poy qelei na "xaideyei aytia", na leei ston kaqe polith ayto poy qelei na akoysei. Gnwrizontas, omws, oti oyte qelei, oyte mporei na to kanei pragmatikothta. O k. Karamanlhs kai h N.D. den exoyn katalabei fainetai oti den eimaste ston 19o aiwna, oti den mporoyn na synexizoyn me tetoies politikes".

Oson afora tis dhlwseis toy Tomearxh Oikonomikwn ths N.D. k. Alogoskoyfh, exw na pw ta ejhs: "Tipota den proseqese h shmerinh synedriash twn syntonistwn ths N.D. gia thn oikonomia. Fainetai oti oi anqrwpoi epanelaban mia akomh apo tis gnwstes syntages. Molis blepoyn oti to klima sthn oikonomia beltiwnetai, molis blepoyn oti ta pragmata pane kalytera, kanoyn o,ti mporoyn gia na to yponomeysoyn. Ayto ekanan kai shmera. Den proseqesan tipota. Den exoyn na poyn tipota.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSEMPERHS: Shmera yphrje mia dhlwsh-epistolh 23, mexri prin apo ligo, boyleytwn toy PASOK, oi opoioi oyte ligo oyte poly, se o,ti afora thn prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy n' anoijoyn oikeioqelws toys kwdikoys toys gia th xrhmathsthriakh toys drash, lene oti qigontai. Exei kati na pei h Kybernhsh gi' ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi idioi boyleytes mas sth shmerinh toys dhlwsh tonizoyn to dhmagwgiko kai to anefikto ths tropologias, thn opoia kateqese h N.D., gi' ayto ejalloy kai den thn chfisan. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na tonisw, oson afora to shmeio ths dhlwsh toys, poy anaferetai sthn ypobolh dhlwsewn Poqen @Esxes apo osoys yphretoyn ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea kai sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, oti yparxei shmera nomoqetikh ypoxrewsh ypobolhs dhlwsewn "poqen esxes" ston armodio Antieisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Hdh, lambanontai metra gia na yparxei oysiastikoteros kai apotelesmatikoteros elegxos twn dhlwsewn gia oloys ekeinoys poy yphrethsan h yphretoyn sto dhmosio tomea. Organwnetai h yphresia me neo proswpiko, wste na mporei o elegxos na ginei pio apotelesmatikos kai oysiastikos, opws prepei na einai kai gia toys boyleytes. Qelw na ypenqymisw oti synolikotera oi elegxoi toy "poqen esxes" qa anadiarqrwqoyn, meta apo to Nomosxedio poy qa kataqesei o k. Skandalidhs sth Boylh, to fqinopwro.

Oson afora to qema twn dhlwsewn gia tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages, qelw na qymisw pros oloys, thn politikh kinhsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos kai h opoia isxyei apolyta. O k. Shmiths exei zhthsei apo oloys mas, kai prwtos edwse to kalo paradeigma, na katateqoyn sth Boylh ola ta stoixeia gia tis xrhmathsthriakes synallages mas. Den exoyme tipota na fobhqoyme kai tipota na krycoyme. Prepei na qymizoyme ayto poy isxyei panta oti "h gynaika toy Kaisaros den ftanei na einai timia prepei kai na to deixnei".

TSEMPERHS: Poy shmainei, an katalaba kala, oti an kapoioi arnhqoyn na ypobaloyn ayth th forma, poy exei steilei o Prwqypoyrgos, qa yparxoyn Kyrwseis kommatikes giati einai kommatikh diadikasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti eixa na pw. Den antimetwpizoyme tetoio zhthma ayth th stigmh. @Hdh exei arxisei h ypobolh twn dhlwsewn.

ZOYLAS: Milhsate gia th nomoqetikh ypoxrewsh oswn genikotera yphretoyn sto dhmosio bio. Nomoqetikh ypoxrewsh yparxei kai gia toys boyleytes. Me th shmerinh toys anakoinwsh oi 23 boyleytes kat' oysian arnoyntai na ypogracoyn@..

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati to lete ayto;

ZOYLAS: To lene kai kat' idian stis syzhthseis toys. Qa to exete maqei hdh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. To antiqeto.

ZOYLAS: Egw, qa sas rwthsw eyqews to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos edwse mia qesmikh diastash se ayto to aithma toy, n' anoijoyn oikeioqelws oi boyleytes toy PASOK toys kwdikoys toys. Eseis de brisketai oti einai mia emmesh amfisbhthsh sto proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy h shmerinh toys anakoinwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: @Oxi, katagrafoyn mia apoch. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na qymisw se kaqe periptwsh, oti oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy isxyoyn apolyta. O k. Prwqypoyrgos zhthse, me thn idiothta toy Proedroy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas - kai ayto pisteyw oti exei egkriqei ap' oloys mas- na doqoyn oi xrhmatisthriakes mas synallages sto proedreio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK. O idios edwse to kalo paradeigma, ypoballontas th sxetikh dhlwsh. Tonizw kai pali, to qema ayto qa ginei prajh. Oi dhlwseis mas qa doqoyn ston k. Lebogiannh. Emeis den exoyme tipota na fobhqoyme kai tipota na krycoyme.

ARGYROS: An telika, oi 23-24 boyleytes arnhqoyn na ypobaloyn dhlwseis an qa yparjei kommatikh peiqarxia@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema. Den mporw n' apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

ARGYROS: O k. Balyrakhs zhta amesh sygklhsh ths K.O.. @Exete kapoia apanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto PASOK yparxei plhrhs eswkommatikh dhmokratia. Sygkaloyntai taktikotata ta organa. Synedriazei taktika to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Sto Komma synedriazei taktika to E.G. kai einai poly gnwsto oti yparxei syxnh sygklhsh ths K.E. kai ths K.O. toy Kinhmatos, gia ola ta sobara zhthmata kai qa erqei kai h wra na ginei kai h synedriash ths K.O.. @Ola ta sobara zhthmata syzhtwntai kai me toys boyleytes mas kai me ta stelexh mas. Pairnontai apofaseis oi opoies desmeyoyn oloys mas. @Exoyme katoxyrwsei thn eswkommatikh dhmokratia, th dieyrynoyme kai oi apofaseis mas, mas desmeyoyn.

KARGOYDH: Sto skeptiko sas sthn arxh lete, oti oi 23 boyleytes tonizoyn to dhmagwgiko xarakthra ths protashs ths N.D., epipleon ypenqymizete oti hdh yparxei kaqestws elegxoy twn proswpwn poy diaxeirizontai to dhmosio xrhma, DEKO k.a., ara na katalabw oti prosxhmatika oi 23 boyleytes xrhsimopoioyn to zhthma ths diafaneias oi boyleytes sas kai h syllogh aytwn twn ypografwn, exei allo mhnyma amigws politiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw den eipa kati tetoio.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ton tropo me ton opoio ejelissetai o eswkommatikos kai koinwnikos dialogos gia tis prwtoboylies sas, poy aforoyn ton eklogiko Nomo;

PRWTOPAPAS: O dialogos ejelissetai, yparxei mia ploysia antallagh apocewn kai ayto qa synexistei .

KALARITHS: Mhpws sto plaisio ayths ths antallaghs apocewn, entassetai kai h shmerinh kinhsh twn boyleytwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kinhsh ayth den afora ton eklogiko Nomo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: @Opws ta paroysiasate, sxhmatisa thn entypwsh oti oi 23 boyleytes toy PASOK apeyqynontai sth N.D.. Apantoyn sth N.D.; Eipate oti tonizoyn to dhmagwgiko, anedafiko kai anefikto@ Apeyqynontai sth N.D. h sthn hgesia toy Kommatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka kai sta tria shmeia. Kai hmoyn apolytws safhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To sxolio sas, loipon, gi' ayth th sygkekrimenh epistolh twn boyleytwn, mporoyme na to exoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei arxikh dhlwsh moy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Nomizw, oti einai ligo asafhs h dhlwshs sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safestath.

ZOYLAS: Sygkekrimena, grafoyn sthn epistolh: H prosklhsh mas na dhlwsoyme oti ejoysiodotoyme ta armodia organa na ereynhsoyn tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages apo ton Prwqypoyrgo mas qigei, giati fernei se amfibolia thn ajiopistia twn dhlwsewn mas peri "poqen esxes". Qa hqela ena sxolio epi ths oysias gi@ ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi dhlwseis toy "poqen esxes" aforoyn mono tis metoxes. Dhladh, ti metoxes exei kaqenas, thn wra poy ypobalei th dhlwsh toy. Tipote allo. O Prwqypoyrgos den zhthse ayto. Zhthse analytika stoixeia.

ZOYLAS: Ara, mas lete oti oi 23 boyleytes exoyn paranohsei ayto poy exei steilei o Prwqypoyrgos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw gia to sygkekrimeno. Alla, isws qeloyn kati na poyn.

ZOYLAS: Ti qeloyn na poyn; Ayto rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Den exw ypogracei thn epistolh. Ayto poy qa hqela na pw einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos den zhthse tis metoxes poy anaferontai sto "poqen esxes", alla thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn apo opoy qa fainontai ta kerdh kai oi zhmies. Einai diaforetiko pragma to ena kai diaforetiko to allo.

ZOYLAS: Ara, milate gia paranohsh twn boyleytwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa kamia tetoia lejh.

ZOYLAS: Lete oti, allo lene ekeinoi kai allo o Prwqypoyrgos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Jekaqarizw ti zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto einai to xreos moy. Den topoqetoyme apenanti se synadelfoys moy. Anaferw ti qelei o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos zhthse thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn, poy den anagrafetai stis dhlwseis toy "poqen esxes". Qelw, epishs, na jekaqarisw oti ayto poy zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos isxyei kai isxyei apolyta.

ELELOPOYLOS: Meta th dhlwsh sas poy leei oti isxyei h prwtoboylia Shmith kai oti ayth thn wra den antimetwpizoyme zhthma kyrwsewn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema.

ELENOPOYLOS: Eipate, omws, "ayth th stigmh". Kai rwtw, thn epomenh stigmh to qema poy mporei na antimetwpisete einai o ejelissomenos dialogos sto PASOK, meta tis arxes Septembrioy, gia th sygkrothsh twn chfodeltiwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo;

ELENOPOYLOS: Gia skefteite ligo th xronikh symptwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti sxesh exei h sygkrothsh twn chfodeltiwn me ayto to qema; Den katalabainw.

ELENOPOYLOS: Stis 15 Septembrioy lhgei h proqesmia kai stis arxes Septembrioy to Ektelestiko Grafeio anoigei to dialogo peri chfodeltiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Fobamai oti skefteste poly ponhra. Otan lew oti den yparxei qema ayth th stigmh, ennow oti apo ayth thn epistolh den dhmioyrgeitai qema. Ektimw oti oi synadelfoi, opws kai oloi, qa kataqesoyn kanonika tis dhlwseis toys, me bash to entypo poy exoyme parei. Oyte egw exw kataqesei akomh to entypo, paroti den exw xrhmatisthriakes synallages. Exoyme proqesmia mexri tis 15 Septembrioy kai gi@ ayto eipa oti den yparxei qema. Oloi kanonika, akoloyqwntas to paradeigma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa kataqesoyme tis sxetikes dhlwseis. Giati na topoqethqoyme se qema poy den yparxei;

TSEMPERHS: Lene oi 23 -kai an ayto den einai amfisbhthsh ths prwtoboylias toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den jerw ti einai- oti "yparxei h nomikh eyxereia kai ta armodia organa gia na elegjoyn thn akribeia twn dhlwsewn mas. As energopoihqoyn na askhsoyn tis armodiothtes toys kai efoson prokycoyn qemata pros diereynhsh na egkliqoyn sygkekrimena proswpa na dwsoyn ejhghseis". Ayto einai amfisbhthsh ths prwtoboylias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Alla leei o k. Shmiths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei.

PITTARAS: Qelete, dhladh, na mas peite oti me ola ayta poy symbainoyn o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei hremos ayrio gia tis diakopes toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apolytws kai eyxetai kai kales diakopes se osoys pane.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinhsh, giati yparxei kindynos na paranohqoyn kapoia pragmata: Einai gegonos oti eseis, kaqe telos toy xronoy, eiste ypoxrewmenoi na katagracete ta perioysiaka stoixeia sas kai na ta kataqesete sth Boylh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn akribeia, kaqe arxes Ioylioy. Gia na sas bohqhsw qa sas pw pws ginetai: Kanoyme prwta th forologikh dhlwsh mas, poy ginetai to Maio. O armodios antiproedros ths Boylhs mas leei oti qa prepei na steilete tis dhlwseis "poqen esxes" ena mhna, afoy dwsete th forologikh dhlwsh sas sth Boylh. Oi dhlwseis "poqen esxes" sthrizontai apokleistika sth forologikh dhlwsh. Prepei, dhladh, na einai taytoshmes me th forologikh dhlwsh. Exoyn, omws, polla alla stoixeia, ta opoia den ta exei h forologikh dhlwsh. Gia paradeigma, sth forologikh dhlwsh moy den dieykrinizw pws agorasa ena xwrafi. Sth dhlwsh toy "poqen esxes" prepei ayto na to jekaqarisw. Anagrafetai, dhladh, h phgh apo thn opoia antlhsa ta eisodhmata, prokeimenoy na agorasw to sygkekrimeno agrotemaxio. Ara, loipon, ekei grafoyme tis metoxes poy diaqetoyme, th stigmh poy kaname th forologikh dhlwsh mas. Den grafoyme, omws, tis kinhseis toy logariasmoy mas kai ta piqanh kerdh h tis zhmies poy eixame. Ara, an kapoios synadelfos moy exei zhmiwsei apo kapoies mikrosynallages poy ekane sto Xrhmatisthrio, den to exei anaferei poyqena. Sth dhlwsh poy zhta o Prwqypoyrgos, qa to anaferei kai etsi qa fanei enwpion ths ellhnikhs koinwnias oti adikws kathgoreitai aytos me olon ton politiko kosmo. Kai milw gia th skia poy epikremetai panw apo ton politiko kosmo. Den milw gia proswpa.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh gnwrizw to mhxanismo toy "poqen esxes", anaferei kai kati allo h prepei kanonika na anaferetai, me bash to isxyon plaisio. An, gia paradeigma, exw 100 ekatommyria metoxes, exw ta eisodhmata moy kai exw kanei kapoies metaboles sth diarkeia toy etoys, sto "poqen esxes" prepei na tis anaferw. Ean exw 100 ekatommyria kai exw poylhsei ta 80, prepei na pw oti exw esoda apo pwlhsh metoxwn 80 ekatommyria kai ara moy menoyn 20 ekatommyria metoxes. Etsi, omws, fainetai h kinhsh twn metoxwn. Mporei na mh fainetai ana etairia, alla fainetai sto synolo ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete ti den fainetai; Ayto, gia paradeigma, poy amfisbhthqhke me tis periptwseis twn synadelfwn mas prin apo ligo kairo, h yparjh mias eswterikhs plhroforhshs gia thn opoia to hlegje kai topoqethqhke h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. Den fainontai ayta, opws den fainontai kai oi zhmies. Oydeis exei dhlwsei zhmia ek metoxwn, thn opoia polloi mporei na exoyn. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Peran aytoy, omws, qelw na jekaqarisw oti isxyei h prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

GEROPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, me thn prwtoboylia ayth, se o,ti afora tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages, exei qesei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anelabe mia prwtoboylia, h opoia egine eymenws apodekth apo oloys mas. To eida ayto kai sth diarkeia ths synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, alla kai sth diarkeia synedriashs Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs me alla stelexh. Exoyme, hdh, arxisei kai dinoyme tis dhlwseis sto Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas k. Lebogiannh. Ektimoyme oti ayth h istoria qa erqei se peras sthn proqesmia poy exei doqei, stis 15 Septembrioy.

ZOYLAS: Qa epanalabw to erwthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa labete thn idia apanthsh. Edwsa poly safh apanthsh, an to prosejate.

ZOYLAS: Safh apanthsh, gi@ esas.

PRWTOPAPAS: An thn diabasete, qa thn katalabete.

GIANNISHS: H kybernhsh, epeita apo thn enos andros arxh, o dialogos se synennohsh, perna se deytero rolo; Einai apoch toy boyleyth toy PASOK k. Balyrakh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti to PASOK einai baqia dhmokratiko komma kai exei dieyrynei tis dhmokratikes diadikasies toy. Ginontai synedriaseis twn organwn toy gia kaqe qema kai qa ginei Koinoboyleytikh Omada, otan ayto kriqei anagkaio.

KARGOYDH: Sthn epistolh toys, oi 23, profanws anaferontai sthn epikeimenh prwtoboylia toy k. Skandalidh gia dieyrynsh toy qematos toy "poqen esxes".

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Anaferontai stoys elegktikoys mhxanismoys, oi opoioi ontws enisxyontai kai qa ginoyn.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh oi synadelfoi sas, metajy aytwn twn 23, qetoyn ena zhthma dhmosiopoihshs twn stoixeiwn, oson afora ta proswpa poy diaxeirizontai dhmosio xrhma, qelw na rwthsw, ean qa problepetai dhmosiopoihsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta, qa anaferqoyme otan erqei to nomosxedio toy k. Skandalidh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Meta kai tis shmerines ejelijeis -kai h syndesh einai dikh moy- qa hqela na moy peite, ean ontws, opws grafetai se merida toy Typoy, h kybernhsh skeftetai na aposyrei kai thn protash peri listas kai thn protash peri diplhs chfoy, sth genikoterh kybernhtikh protash gia ton eklogiko nomo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Xairomai poy moy dinete thn eykairia, me thn erwthsh sas, na jekaqarisw oti o dialogos qa ginei panw se olo to paketo twn protasewn poy exoyme kataqesei. Ti telika qa erqei sth Boylh, qa kriqei, afoy oloklhrwqei o dialogos. Ola ayta, einai poly prowra kai den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. O dialogos ginetai. Symbolh yparxei. Oi telikes apofaseis qa ajiologhsoyn ola ta symperasmata toy dialogoy. Ejalloy, sas parapempw kai sth xqesinh omilia toy k. Skandalidh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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