Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-06-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Ioynioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Pragmatopoihqhke, xqes, h Synodos Koryfhs metajy E.E. kai HPA. O Proedreywn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths synanthqhke me ton Amerikano Proedro Tzortz Mpoys.

Apo th synanthsh ayth proekyce klima kalyterhs synennohshs kai katanohshs twn qesewn twn dyo pleyrwn.

Jeperasthkan entaseis kai tribes, poy ofeilontan sthn elleich ayths ths synennohshs kai dhmioyrgoyntai kalyteres proypoqeseis sta zhthmata poy apasxoloyn, toso tis HPA, oso kai thn E.E.

Ypografhkan symfwnies se shmantika qemata, opws gia zhthmata Dikaiosynhs, gia qemata energeiaka, gia to programma ``anoiktoi oyranoi'', gia thn antimetwpish ths diadoshs twn oplwn mazikhs katastrofhs.

Epishs, syzhthqhkan dieqnh qemata, opws to Mesanatoliko, to Afganistan kai to Irak. Kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs yphrjan kai diaforetikes proseggiseis se qemata, opws twn metallagmenwn trofimwn.

Epanalambanw oti yphrje kalo klima synennohshs kai katanohshs twn qesewn, to opoio symballei, wste na yparxoyn symfwnies, alla kai na katagrafontai oi diaforetikes proseggiseis poy yparxoyn antikeimenika.

Xqes, yphrje h omilia toy arxhgoy ths N.D. sthn Agia Paraskeyh. Qelw na tonisw oti gia mia akomh fora o k. Karamanlhs arkesthke sto na katagrafei gegonota, problhmata, poy -opws kai o idios anagkasthke na pei- antimetwpizontai kai lynontai, toso apo thn kybernhsh, oso kai apo ta erga poy prowqoyntai sthn eyryterh perioxh kai allazoyn, synexws, thn poiothta zwhs twn katoikwn ths perioxhs. Apo th mia, loipon, oi diapistwseis toy k. Karamanlh, apo thn allh ta erga ths kybernhshs toy PASOK. Pisteyw oti ayth h sygkrish einai katalytikh, mila apo monh ths kai dinei ton tono ths diaforas ths politikhs mas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Gkioyl, liges hmeres meta th Synodo Koryfhs, mila gia dimerh dialogo me thn Ellada gia to Aigaio. O ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias arnhqhke oti ginontai parabiaseis ston ellhniko enaerio xwro kai eipe oti ta toyrkika aeroskafh petoysan se dieqnh xwro. Qa moy epitrecete na rwthsw ti ennooyse o k. Papantwnioy otan dhlwse oti an den parembainan ta ellhnika aeroskafh, ta toyrkika qa eixan fqasei panw apo ton Parqenwna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto shmainei oti parembainoyn ta ellhnika aeroskafh kai diafylassoyn ton eqniko enaerio xwro.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ara, ennoeite oti an den parembainame qa yphrxe problhma...

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papantwnioy me th dhlwsh toy hqele na deijei thn toyrkikh epiqetikothta. To exoyme pei para polles fores. Den exoyme pei oti akoma kai oi dhlwseis toys mas qymizoyn th laikh rhsh ``fwnazei o klefths gia na fobhqei o noikokyrhs''; Kanoyme th doyleia mas para poly kala kai ayto tonise o k. Papantwnioy. Oson afora ton k. Gkioyl, eipe oti epiqymei dialogo gia to Aigaio kai oti qa lyqoyn ta problhmata para poly syntoma. Den gnwrizw apo poy phgazei ayth h aisiodojia . An o k. Gkioyl einai diateqeimenos na symbalei, wste na breqei lysh sto Kypriako kai sth synexeia na epektaqei o dialogos sta alla zhthmata, den exoyme kamia antirrhsh. Den to exoyme dei, bebaiws , mexri twra. Ara, logika qa moy epitrecete na mhn ekfrasw thn idia aisiodojia. An h Toyrkia ``anakroysei prymnan'' kai arxisei na syzhta sto Kypriako me kateyqynsh lyshs kai dhmioyrghqei diaforetiko klima poy qa eynohsei thn antimetwpish twn opoiwn qematwn yparxoyn metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, qa einai qetiko. Alla, den to exoyme dei.

KOYIN: Exei lhjei to qema toy ploioy se kybernhtiko epipedo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me ta mexri stigmhs dedomena, nai. To qema brisketai sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs. An prokycei kati apo thn anakrish qa ajiopoihqei. Ayth th stigmh, exoyme osa hdh sas exw pei.

MIXAHL: Xqes eixame epeisodia ston Aspropyrgo kai mia yperbolikh ekfrash bias apo thn pleyra ths astynomias, me apotelesma o k. Xrysoxoidhs na qesei se diaqesimothta astynomiko gia ta peraiterw. Shmera, exoyme epanalhch aytoy toy fainomenoy sthn perioxh ths Lakwnias, sta Sphlaia Dyroy, opoy diamartyrontai oi katoikoi gia ton tropo leitoyrgias toys. Mhpws apo yperballonta zhlo ta organa ths astynomias, ferontai me ayton ton tropo h exoyn entoles na epembainoyn kai na dernoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh ta paroysiazete toso yperbolika. Eidate th stash ths Astynomias sth diarkeia twn epeisodiwn sth Synodo Koryfhs, opoy htan idiaitera prosektikh, apodotikh kai qetikh, sthn antimetwpish twn ``bandalwn'' poy kinoyntan me apeilhtikes diaqeseis gia thn perioysia twn katoikwn ths Qessalonikhs. H Astynomia einai idiaitera prosektikh oson afora thn prostasia ths anqrwpinhs zwhs kai ths swmatikhs akeraiothtas twn diadhlwtwn. Kaqe fora poy yparxei memonwmeno kroysma, gnwrizete oti ginetai sxetikh ereyna kai timwroyntai oi ypeyqynoi. H stash ths ELAS ejasfalizei thn asfaleia toy Ellhna polith.

MIXAHL: Sth Qessalonikh h Astynomia eixe sxedio, wste na antimetwpisei toy ``bandaloys'' kai epikriqhke gi ayto. Kapoioi qa hqelan dynamikoterh, gia paradeigma, symperifora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kapoioi hqelan na ``anoijoyme kefalia'', alla den qa paijoyme ayto to aparadekto paixnidi.

MIXAHL: Omws, xqes eixame to epeisodio ston Aspropyrgo! Giati o k. Xrysoxoidhs eyaisqhtopoieitai kai leei oti afoy einai memonwmeno to parapempw aplws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan yparxoyn memonwmena fainomena aparadekths askhshs bias, parembainoyme amesws. Den prokeitai na kalycoyme kapoia katastash poy ekfeygei twn oriwn kai twn entolwn. Alla, den mporoyme na pairnoyme to memonwmeno kai na to anagoyme se geniko. Epanalambanw oti h stash ths ELAS einai idiaitera prosektikh, swsth kai organwmenh. Exoyme idiaitero sebasmo ston polith.

TAKHS: Blepontas ta xqesina epeisodia, eipan oti h ELAS edeije mia idiaiterh spoydh. Sth Qessalonikh, h ELAS poy eixe ypo ton elegxo ths aytoys poy htan parontes sto Panepisthmio, afhse ta pragmata pio xalara kai eidame ayta poy eidame. Enw, xqes, poy htan aploi polites toys erije oso jylo mporoyse.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa gia memonwmeno epeisodio gia to opoio yphrje amesh parembash. Apo kei kai pera, sth Qessalonikh, an h ELAS epixeiroyse metwpikh sygkroysh den jerw ti apotelesmata qa eixame. Exoyme idiaitero sebasmo sthn anqrwpinh zwh kai th swmatikh akeraiothta twn politwn, anejarthta an yparxei anagkh na ginoyn kapoies parembaseis -opws egine sth Qessalonikh- gia thn prostasia ths perioysias twn katoikwn. Prepei na ginetai me prosoxh gia na mhn exoyme anqrwpina qymata, dioti h anqrwpinh zwh den antikaqistatai. O poliths einai sto kentro ths logikhs mas, kai panw ap` ola, ayton sebomaste.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Stis xqesines dhlwseis toy o arxhgos ths N.D., ektos apo thn katagrafh twn gegonotwn poy, opws eipate kai eseis, ekane, milhse gia megalo fagopoti toy eksygxronismoy kai kalese stelexh ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK na poyn ston ellhniko lao poy brhkan ta xrhmata gia na paizoyn tetoia posa sto Xrhmatisthrio. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi` ayta ta zhthmata egine syzhthsh sth Boylh kai oi apanthseis poy eprepe na doqoyn, doqhkan kata ton kalytero tropo. Opoy yphrxan problhmata, antimetwpisthkan. Otan xreiasthke kapoia stelexh mas na paraithqoyn gia logoys eyqijias, paraithqhkan. Den exei ginei to idio kai sth N.D.

GARGALAKOS: Mporeite na mas ermhneysete ayth thn aporia poy ejefrase o Prwqypoyrgos oti "ektos synorwn eimai poly kalos kai mesa xalia" kai giati thn ejefrase;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto htan erwthma poy apeyqynqhke pros toys synadelfoys sas. Ennooyse kati aplo: mhn paroysiazete oti eimaste diaforetikoi entos kai molis bgainoyme ejw, me kapoio magiko rabdaki, allazoyme teleiws. Mia politikh poy exei na kanei me thn yperaspish twn symferontwn ths Elladas se olo ton kosmo, poy exei na kanei me thn kaqodhghsh ths E.E. -ara, poy ejyphretei kai ta dika mas symferonta, epeidh eimaste anapospasto tmhma ths Enwshs- poy anoigei neoys dromoys gia thn Enwsh, den einai politikh poy xwrizetai se "entos" kai "ektos". Einai mia eniaia politikh, einai apotelesmatikh kai apodidei, toso sto eswteriko, oso kai sto ejwteriko. Exoyn allajei pia ta pragmata. Kai ayto hqele na tonisei o Prwqypoyrgos. Den diaxwrizetai ayth h politikh, les kai yparxei kapoio orio, opoy stamata h Eyrwph kai arxizei h Ellada. Kaqe politikh den afora kai thn Eyrwph kai thn Ellada; Gia paradeigma, oi politikes gia thn apasxolhsh, gia toys laqrometanastes, gia ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, gia ton agrotiko tomea, den aforoyn taytoxrona thn Ellada kai thn E.E.; Oson afora thn agrotikh politikh, hqela na pw oti, prin apo liges wres, oloklhrwqhke sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias h diadikasia ths anaqewrhshs ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs. Ayth h poly megalh epityxia ths ellhnikhs Proedrias kai toy Proedreyontos Ypoyrgoy Gewrgias G. Dry den einai mia epityxia poy afora amesa ton Ellhna agroth kai ejyphretei ta symferonta toy; Ayto den afora kai thn Eyrwph kai thn Ellada, den afora ton Ellhna, opws kaqe allo Eyrwpaio polith; Petyxhmenh Proedria den shmainei qetika apotelesmata gia ton Ellhna;

Pisteyw oti se ayta ta zhthmata xreiazetai idiaiterh prosoxh.

IWANNOY: An katalabame kala, o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti gia ta eswkommatika problhmata kai to arnhtiko klima poy yparxei gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh, eyqynetai to komma kai oxi o idios;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto katalabate apo ayta poy eipa; Eipa teleiws diaforetika pragmata. Fainetai oti exoyme alloys kwdikes.

ANTYPAS: Apo to prwi, to Lekanopedio talaipwreitai apo syxnes diakopes reymatos. Qa hqela na mas peite, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia pros toys apergoys kai deyteron, an mporeite ayrio na mas paroysiasete ta stoixeia gia tis yperwries twn ergazomenwn sth DEH kai poio akribws einai to kostos toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ti qa wfelhsei ayto;

ANTYPAS: Giati oi ergazomenoi sth DEH lene oti den kanoyn yperwries.

PRWTOPAPAS: Skopos einai na broyme lysh kai na ejyphrethsoyme ton Ellhna polith kai thn poreia ths DEH. Otan ginetai mia apergia h mia kinhtopoihsh exei kapoies synepeies. Skopos mas einai na broyme lysh. Se tetoies periptwseis, to kaqhkon mias kybernhshs kai bebaiws mias dioikhshs, giati ton prwto logo exei h dioikhsh ths DEH, oson afora ena dhmosio organismo, einai na prospaqhsoyme na broyme mia lysh kai na ejyphrethsoyme oloi to koino symferon.

ANTYPAS: H kybernhsh qa analabei kapoia prwtoboylia; Giati diamartyrontai gia sygkekrimena qemata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, otan yparxoyn kinhtopoihseis kaqe morfhs, h kybernhsh panta -kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai h dioikhsh ths DEH- skybei me prosoxh sta problhmata. Yparxoyn kai diafwnies me ta kinhmata. Den einai taytoshmoi kybernhsh-kinhmata. Qa breqei tropos, panta mesw toy dialogoy, na jeperastoyn aytes oi diafwnies kai na proxwrhsoyme.

ANTYPAS: H kybernhsh qewrei fysiologiko na yparxoyn ayta ta problhmata, otan enas ergazomenos arneitai na kanei yperwries;

PRWTOPAPAS: An katalaba kala qelete na dwsoyme sth dhmosiothta tis yperwries gia na dhmioyrghqei qema. Ayto den einai sth logikh mas.

ANTYPAS: Gia poio logo; Den einai apo ta stoixeia toy proypologismoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn orismenoi kladoi ergazomenwn, oi opoioi ekteloyn kapoies idiaitera leptes ergasies. Gnwrizete oti genika oi yperwries apagoreyontai. Yparxoyn oria stis yperwries kai yparxoyn eidikoi oroi gia eidikh egkrish apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias. To gnwrizete ayto. Profanws, kapoioi ergazomenoi poy mporei na exoyn perissoteres yperwries, einai aytoi poy ekteloyn kapoies leptes kai idiaitera ejeidikeymenes ergasies, alliws den qa edine adeia to ypoyrgeio Ergasias. Oydepote dinei adeia to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, ean den yparxei aitiologia.

ANTYPAS: Opote, ean mas koinopoihsete ta stoixeia, den qa dhmioyrghqei kanena problhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa ayto poy eixa na pw. Aplws ejhghsa oti yperwries den dinontai etsi, alla yparxei nomos poy tis periorizei kai tis apagoreyei. Yparxoyn eidikes diadikasies egkrishs gia tis periptwseis poy einai aparaithtes. Den exoyme afhsei asydosia se ayto ton tomea.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Ti ennooysate, otan eipate oti den jerete an eixe ginei to idio kai me th N.D.; Exei h kybernhsh endeijeis h stoixeia poy na deixnoyn oti stelexh ths N.D. exoyn anaptyjei draseis, oi opoies qa eprepe na odhghsoyn se paraithseis toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eixame, gia paradeigma, prin apo treis mhnes, thn eykairia na diabasoyme ston Typo tetoia zhthmata; An prosejete ton Typo, prin apo merikoys mhnes, qa ta breite. Den qelw twra na kanw anafora, giati qa moy peite oti paw na kanw symchfismo. Den exoyme kamia tetoia proqesh. Alla eiste dhmosiografos kai jerete oti tetoies anafores exoyn ginei polles fores. Tonisa oti, se kaqe periptwsh, otan yphrje qema, egine syzhthsh sth Boylh. Egine -egw den kanw symchfismoys- kai sto qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy, sto opoio anaferqhkame analytika, opws anaferqhkame kai gia th DEKA. Tonisa pws otan yphrjan problhmata me stelexh mas, paraithqhkan gia logoys eyqijias. Ayto eipa. Kai qymisa oti den eixe ginei kati tetoio sth N.D., otan yphrxan idiaiteres anafores sto parelqon.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh dia toy k. Skandalidh eixe desmeytei oti qa paroysiasei protaseis gia thn anamorfwsh toy politikoy systhmatos kai thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy, poy profanws, opws eixe pei o k. Skandalidhs qa isxye apo tis meqepomenes ekloges. Poy brisketai to qema ayto; Qa ginoyn aytes oi protaseis; Qa metateqoyn; Giati eixate pei meta to Pasxa, gi` ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta zhthmata poy aforoyn thn anabaqmish toy politikoy systhmatos qa erqoyn sthn wra toys, me ton tropo poy qa epilejei o Prwqypoyrgos.

GARGALAKOS: Epeidh se sxesh me ayto to kroysma ths atyphs pneymonias, etsi opws anakoinwqhke, eixame gia deyterh fora mia kinhtopoihsh poy, endexomenws, na exei epiptwseis kai ston toyrismo ths xwras, kai gia deyterh fora ayth h kinhtopoihsh-synagermos apedeixqh laqos, den qa eprepe to ypoyrgeio Ygeias na einai pio prosektiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma ti na kanei; Eixe sth diaqesh toy dyo ejetaseis. H mia apo tis dyo ejetaseis edeixne qetiko deigma. Kata toys giatroys, yphrxe mia ypocia, idiaitera entonh. Yphrxan kapoies endeijeis. Se aytes tis periptwseis einai protimotero na lambaneis ta metra soy, mexri na erqei h telikh ejetash apo to Amboyrgo, para na afhseis to qema, me kindyno na erqei ena qetiko deigma thn epomenh kai na barynesai gia mia ameleia, h opoia qa mporoyse na dhmioyrghsei poly megalo problhma, se baros ths dhmosias ygeias. Apo th stigmh poy eixe enhmerwqei gia kapoies endeijeis o k. Stefanhs, orqotata enhrghse. Einai protimotero na lambanei parapanw metra, para na afhsei to qema kai -an epibebaiwnotan thn epomenh kapoio deigma- na exoyn dhmioyrghqei terastia problhmata se olh th Boreia Ellada.

Sas eyxaristw.

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