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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ioynioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, to apogeyma, stis 17.30 wra Elladas, einai programmatismenh h synanthsh toy Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy kai Prwqypoyrgoy ths Elladas Kwsta Shmith toy Proedroy ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs Romano Pronti kai toy Ypatoy Ekproswpoy ths Enwshs gia thn Koinh Ejwterikh Politikh kai Politikh Asfaleias (KEPPA) Xabie Solana kai ton Amerikano Proedro Tzortz Mpoys, sto plaisio ths Synodoy Koryfhs E.E.-HPA.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Se synexeia toy xqesinoy dialogoy kai ths enhmerwshs poy mas kanate gia to qema toy chfiakoy fakelwmatos, nea stoixeia -epikaloymai dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Observer", poy epikaleitai stoixeia apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph- anaferoyn oti oloi oi polites ths E.E., xwris kamia diakrish, qa prepei na ypostoyn th ryqmish poy legame xqes, dhladh na yparjei ena tsip sto diabathrio toys, to opoio na periexei daktyliko apotypwma, kaqws epishs apeikonish ths korhs toy ofqalmoy kai alla stoixeia DNA. Prostiqetai oti ayto ginetai, meta apo aithma poy exoyn ypobalei oi HPA, to metro ayto na lhfqei mexri tis 26/10/2004. Qa hqela na mas peite, ean epimenete sth xqesinh enhmerwsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anafereste sth xqesinh enhmerwsh, alla se shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Observer", to opoio epikaleitai thn Komision. Epomenws, qa epikoinwnhsw me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai me thn Komision kai qa epanelqw ayrio.

FILHS: Epishs, epikaloymai kai thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Xalkidikhs poy mila gia diabathria twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to Symboylio ths Xalkidikhs sas edwsa xqes thn apanthsh. Gia ta dhmosieymata ths "Observer", poy qetete ayth th stigmh -an moy ta eixate qesei nwritera, qa eixa prolabei na apanthsw- h opoia epikaleitai phges ths Komision, qa epikoinwnhsw, opws sas eipa kai qa sas apanthsw epishmws, ayrio.

FILHS: Me bash thn apanthsh poy dwsate gia to qema ths Sengken xqes, ennoeite, p.x., oti h Bretania, poy den einai xwra ths Sengken, qa energopoiei to tsip gia toys yphkooys ths sto diabathrio kai h Ellada den qa ypostei tsip. Ayto ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws eipa kai xqes, den exei akomh apofasistei oristika apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph poia morfh qa exoyn aytes oi kinhseis. Epomenws, apo th stigmh poy den yparxei oristikh apofash, nomizw oti biazomaste ligaki. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa epanelqw ayrio, me bash ta stoixeia ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs.

IWANNOY: Epeidh, prin apo ligh wra, ekane kapoia dhlwsh o Proedros ths Boylhs, alla kai boyleytes toy PASOK zhthsan kai zhtoyn na erqei sth Boylh gia epikyrwsh ayth h symfwnia Elladas-Amerikhs gia thn amoibaia dikastikh syndromh, rwtw ean exete syzhthsei me ton Proedro ths Boylhs h an yparxei skech apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs na syzhthqei sth Boylh, opws zhtoyn oi boyleytes toy PASOK kai afhse anoikto to endexomeno kai o k. Kaklamanhs

PRWTOPAPAS: To, an qa syzhthqei sth Boylh h oxi, h symfwnia, einai to ena qema. Gi@ ayto qa hqela na sas parakalesw na perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh kai ypografh ths kai, sth synexeia, qa exoyme thn eykairia na syzhthsoyme ola ta sxetika qemata. Qa epanelqw, opws sas eipa, ayrio.

IWANNOY: Den to aporriptete pantws...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti mporoyme na milhsoyme sygkekrimena apo th stigmh poy h symfwnia qa einai prajh. Kaqe qema poy afora th syzhthsh stis HPA, qa to krinoyme kai qa to syzhthsoyme amesws meta, afoy qa exei pragmatopoihqei kai oxi ws ypoqetiko gegonos. Ean kai efoson, loipon -bebaiws ayto einai to piqanotero, alla den einai ena gegonos ayth th stigmh- exoyme thn ypografh ths symfwnias, qa syzhthsoyme ta loipa. Ayrio to prwi, qa gnwrizoyme. An qelete na milhsoyme gia ta stoixeia ths symfwnias, eyxaristws na milhsoyme.

FILHS: Epeidh, pro 15hmeroy, sth Boylh, poy einai mia koryfaia kai dhmosia diadikasia, o armodios ypoyrgos k. Petsalnikos, apantwntas se erwthsh toy koinoboyleytikoy ekproswpoy toy SYN k. Koybelh, eipe oti den problepetai na perasei apo th Boylh ayth h symfwnia, dioti einai symfwnia anamesa sthn E.E. kai tis HPA kai oxi anamesa stis xwres, rwtw: Ayth h dikolabikh, kata bash, apanthsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai nomikh h apanthsh.

FILHS: Epitrecte moy, einai qema dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Ayth h dikolabikh, kata bash, apanthsh, paramenei qesh ths kybernhshs h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti exei pei o k. Petsalnikos isxyei apolyta. Ayto na to jekaqarisoyme. En pash periptwsei, h symfwnia ayth den ginetai metajy Elladas kai HPA. Einai symfwnia E.E.-HPA. H ellhnikh Proedria, bebaiws me egkrish ths Enwshs, pairnei thn eyqynh kai ypografei. Ayth einai h ennoia ths ypografhs ths symfwnias apo ton k. Petsalniko kai bebaiws den problepetai ypoxrewtika na erqei sto Eqniko Koinoboylio.

FILHS: Sto mparaz epikrisewn gia th symfwnia poy ypografei, yperhfana, shmera h ellhnikh Proedria stis HPA gia thn ekdosh, ektos ths kas Maragkopoyloy, h opoia exei dioristei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, Proedros ths Epitrophs Prostasias twn Atomikwn Dikaiwmatwn, epenebhsan shmera kai o k. Mpehs, o k. Magkakhs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Anafereste se dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei shmera...

FILHS: Den exw dei kamia dhlwsh "yper". Ektos twn kybernhtikwn paragontwn den yphrje enas poy na eipe "yper". Kai oi dikhgorikoi syllogoi, oloi, enantion einai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw diabasei kai thn anakoinwsh toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy, exw akoysei kai th shmerinh synenteyjh, se radiofwniko staqmo, ths kas Maragkopoyloy.

FILHS: Kai palaiotera, sthn arxh ths prohgoymenhs ebdomadas kai shmera, yparxei synenteyjh toy k. Mpeh sthn "Eleyqerotypia".

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw diabasei olles tis palaioteres synenteyjeis, exw akoysei kai shmerines synenteyjeis kai bebaiws as asxolhqoyme perissotero me neoterh plhroforhsh. Qa epimeinw, omws, stis apoceis poy exei ekfrasei o k. Petsalnikos, tis opoies exw epanalabei, dexomenos malista kai mia epiqesh apo ton ekproswpo toy SYN. Einai safes oti h symfwnia ayth E.E-HPA, kat` arxas, den dhmioyrgei kanena problhma stoys Ellhnes polites. Dioti paramenei (symfwna kai me ayth th symfwnia) se isxy h ellhnoamerikanikh symfwnia toy 1932. Ara, den allazei tipota, oson afora toys Ellhnes polites. Ayto prepei na to exoyme kaqara mprosta mas. Apo ekei kai pera, otan ginetai mia symfwnia Eyrwphs-Amerikhs, qa labei ypoch, dieqneis ejelijeis, ta shmerina dedomena, qa symplhrwsei kena kai qa antimetwpisei sygkekrimenes katastaseis, oi opoies yparxoyn. Dinei, omws, sobares dynatothtes se opoiodhpote kratos -kai bebaiws sthn Enwsh- na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. Dinei, gia paradeigma, sthn Ellada th dynatothta, ean to epiqymei, na mhn epitrecei thn ekdosh kapoioy jenoy polith, gia adikhma, stis HPA, ean krinei oti apeileitai me qanatikh poinh. Ayth h dynatothta yparxei kai me th neoterh symfwnia kai to gnwrizete poly kala. Exoyme, loipon, mia symfwnia Eyrwphs-Amerikhs, poy kata th gnwmh moy apotelei ena sobaro qesmiko bhma kai gia thn idia thn Enwsh, se mia seira apo ejoxws shmantika zhthmata. H Enwsh ws eniaia ontothta proxwrei stis dikes ths symfwnies kai ayto qa eprepe na to doyme, se sxesh me th shmasia thn opoia exei. Den dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata gia toys Ellhnes polites. Dinontai dynatothtes perifroyrhshs kai atomikwn dedomenwn, ean to krinei to kratos-melos, alla kai mh ekdoshs, ean krinoyme oti yparxei, gia paradeigma, zhthma apwleias anqrwpinhs zwhs me thn epibolh qanatikhs poinhs. Fysika, qa ejetastoyn kai sygkekrimenes periptwseis. Den katalabainw giati qa prepei na dhmioyrgoyntai tosoi problhmatismoi kai erwthmata. As milhsoyme me gegonota kai oxi me synqhmata.

FILHS: Opws leei kai h ka Maragkopoyloy, poy exei dioristei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ws Proedros ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs Prostasias twn Atomikwn Dikaiwmatwn, dhladh mia qesmikh qesh, prepei na akoyme toys anqrwpoys poy toys empisteyomaste merika eyaisqhta qemata kai na mhn kanoyme oti den toys katalabainoyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ka Maragkopoyloy exei dikaiwma na exei thn apoch ths, thn opoia sebomai apolyta. Apodeijame, allwste, oti proteinoyme anqrwpoys, oi opoioi exoyn kai thn anejarthsia ths gnwmhs toys, to kyros, th gnwsh kai thn episthmonikh eparkeia. Ayto apodeiknyetai gia allh mia fora. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti h kybernhsh den exei th dikh ths apoch.

FILHS: Lew oti h ka Maragkopoyloy sxoliazei kai leei pws "o,ti den ekanan kai oi "15" oloi mazi, dhladh na apagoreysoyn thn ekdosh otan isxyei h qanatikh poinh, qa to kanei mia mikrh kai adynamh xwra". Ti apantate se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellada den einai pia mia adynamh xwra.

BITALHS: Lete oti einai sth diakritikh eyxereia ths Elladas, toy kaqe kratoys-meloys na mhn ekdidei jenoys polites, otan yparxei kindynos qanatikhs poinhs sto kratos. Ayto diasfalizetai me rhtra h einai se mia grapth desmeysh poy qa analambanei h Politeia twn HPA sthn opoia qa isxyei h qanatikh poinh, oti den qa epiblhqei qanatikh poinh. Rwtw, dioti yphrje kai ayth h ermhneia.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Petsalnikos eipe kaqara oti dinetai h dynatothta na mhn ekdwsoyme jeno polith, otan ektimoyme oti kindyneyei na toy epiblhqei qanatikh poinh. Bebaiws, qa ektimhqei h sygkekrimenh katastash.

MIXAHL: Exw dyo erwthseis epi toy qematos. H prwth afora to ejhs: Eipate, molis prin, oti to ena qema einai, ean qa syzhthqei h oxi sth Boylh kai eipate oti den qa syzhthqei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, alla den eipa tetoio pragma. Anaferqhka stis dhlwseis poy eixe kanei o k. Petsalnikos. Exei shmasia h dhlwsh ayth, dioti einai allo pragma oti den qa erqei sth Boylh -kai pote den eipa kati allo- kai allo oti einai kati diaforetiko, den einai symfwnia eqnikh poy erxetai ypoxrewtika sth Boylh. Den ypeishlqa sto erwthma, ean qa erqei h oxi. Ypenqymisa to logo poy epikalesthke o k. Petsalnikos. To erwthma, ean erxetai h den erxetai, tiqetai laqos,.

MIXAHL: Epitrecete moy na qesw to erwthma, opws egw nomizw kai eseis apanthste, opws nomizete. Epanalabate th dhlwsh toy k. Petsalnikoy oti h sygkekrimenh symbash h symfwnia, o,ti einai, den prokeitai na erqei pros kyrwsh sthn ellhnikh Boylh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia kaqarh topoqethsh. Ti leei h kaqarh topoqethsh toy k. Petsalnikoy; Oti den einai eqnikh symfwnia metajy Elladas kai HPA, opote prepei opwsdhpote na erqei sth Boylh. Diatypwse thn apoch o k. Petsalnikos oti prokeitai -kai etsi einai bebaiws- gia symfwnia E.E.-HPA, pragma to opoio dhmioyrgei th dynatothta mias diaforetikhs diadikasias. Se kaqe periptwsh, meta thn ypografh ths symfwnias, qa yparjoyn sxetikes dhlwseis. Afhste na ypografei...

MIXAHL: Ayto to ``afhste na ypografei'', ekei qelw na katalhjw, anejarthta apo to ti qa kanete, ean thn pate h den thn pate sth Boylh kai pws qa thn pate...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, syzhtame kati poy den exei ypografei.

MIXAHL: Yparxei to endexomeno na mhn ypografei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws gnwrizete, stis dieqneis symfwnies oloi leme -eseis eiste gnwstos dhmosiografos- oti ``anamenetai na ypografei''. Eipame, afhste na ypografei.

MIXAHL: H dhlwsh sas ``anamenetai na ypografei'', afhnei anoikto gia tis epomenes 4 wres, wspoy na ginei h synanthsh, to endexomeno o k. Shmiths kai h eyrwpaikh antiproswpeia poy brisketai sthn Oyasigkton, na mhn symfwnhsoyn kai na mhn ypografei telika h perifhmh symfwnia me ton k. Mpoys...

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn wra ayth, sthn Amerikh einai jhmerwmata kai den exei teqei h symfwnia sto trapezi. H symfwnia anamenetai na ypografei. Ayto milaei apo mono toy. Epomenws, meta thn ypografh ths qa ginoyn kai oi sxetikes anakoinwseis. Hdh, anaferqhka sto ti periexei. Ektimw oti einai mia kalh symfwnia, ean ayto einai to erwthma. Kai to lew ayto, dioti yparxei mia seira qematwn poy prokeitai na syzhthqoyn stis HPA, sta opoia, ean me rwthsete ayth th stigmh, qa sas parapemcw sth syzhthsh poy qa ginei. Logiko den einai; Phgainoyme, ekei aplws kai mono gia na epibebaiwsoyme eilhmmenes apofaseis; H Proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs me ton Proedro Mpoys den qa syzhthsoyn orismena pragmata; Mhn ypobaqmizoyme, loipon, thn ennoia ths syzhthshs ths Synodoy Koryfhs. Ayto qelw na apofygw.

MIXAHL: Giati apantate se mia erwthsh me ton tropo poy qelete eseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Pantote etsi kanw. Etsi synhqizetai ejalloy, ana ton kosmo.

KALARITHS: To ellhniko Koinoboylio exei arnhqei mexri stigmhs na epikyrwsei dyo symfwnies poy exei ypogracei h kybernhsh sas me tis HPA gia to idio qema. H mia einai toy k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy me th Mantlin Olmprait kai h allh toy k. Xrysoxoidh me thn eisaggelea Rin. Den sas problhmatizei oti dyo allepallhles apopeires ths kybernhshs sas na ypogracete tetoies symfwnies exoyn synanthsei thn arnhsh toy Koinoboylioy kai twra pame gia trith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn entypwsh oti h mia apo tis dyo exei telika ypografei.

TAKHS: Etsi einai. Toy k. Papandreoy exei ypografei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean qymamai kala, hrqe thn prwth fora, yphrje mia seira enstasewn kai syzhthsewn, doqhkan kapoies ejhghseis, se erwthmata poy eixan qesei oi boyleytes kai profanws dhmioyrghqhke to katallhlo edafos kai epikyrwqhke h symfwnia me apofash toy Koinoboylioy. Den to qewrw kako. Den einai kako na ginetai oysiastikh syzhthsh gia oles aytes tis symfwnies, sto Koinoboylio. O boyleyths, otan toy ferneis mia symfwnia poy exei ypogracei h xwra toy me mia allh xwra, exei ypoxrewsh, ws antiproswpos toy laoy, na elegxei, na rwta, na problhmatizetai h na askei kritikh. Den to qewrw problhma.

FILHS: Pantws, apo thn apanthsh poy dinete prokyptei ena dhmokratiko elleimma sthn E.E. Oi kybernhseis, dia toy Symboylioy twn Ypoyrgwn, nomoqetoyn kai h Eyrwboylh den mporei na exei gnwmh epi toy qematos, par oti diafwnei, oyte ta eqnika Koinoboylia exoyn gnwmh, paroti mporei na diafwnoyn kai ayta. Ayto einai dhmokratikh diadikasia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxei to ejhs: As ypoqesoyme -kai as milhsoyme pio eleyqera- oti qa ypografei profanws, anamenetai na ypografei apo ton proedreyonta toy Symboylioy ypoyrgwn Dikaiosynhs k. Petsalniko kai apo ton Amerikano omologo toy h symfwnia gia thn ekdosh metajy E.E.-HPA. Gi ayth th symfwnia exei ejoysiodothqei o k. Petsalnikos apo to Symboylio.

FILHS: Oxi apo th Boylh, omws. Ayto poy lete einai ektelestikh ejoysia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, apo to kaq ylhn armodio Symboylio. Ayth h symfwnia den mporei na "mplokaristei" apo ena eqniko koinoboylio. Dhladh, h Eyrwph ypografei kai sth synexeia mporei na erqei mia xwra na arnhqei thn ypografh; Praktika dhmioyrgeitai ena meizon qema. Bebaiws, eseis qetete enan allon problhmatismo, oti kalo qa htan h E.E. , sto neo Syntagma na problecei thn kalych aytwn twn elleimmatwn. Den exei kaneis logo na diafwnhsei.

FILHS: Mexri tote na yparxei eyaisqhsia apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla prosejte: h ellhnikh kybernhsh, dioti einai eyaisqhth kai ejantlhse to dialogo gyrw apo ayto to qema...

FILHS: Me th diafwnia olwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap` o,ti mas exei plhroforhsei o k. Petsalnikos yphrje enas poly megalos dialogos. Den htan en kryptw, opws diabasa shmera se mia synenteyjh. Aytos poy eipe oti "htan en kryptw", profanws htan adiaforos mexri tote. Dioti, o k. Petsalnikos mas exei jekaqarisei -kai ayto einai gnwsto- oti yphrje seira parembasewn kai syzhthsewn, oi opoies eginan kai se organa ths E.E. gyrw apo ayth th symfwnia. Ara, den egine en kryptw. Mexri tote, loipon, h ellhnikh Proedria proxwrhse se oles tis sxetikes diadikasies dialogoy. Ean qetete zhthma oti me ton tropo poy leitoyrgei h E.E. dhmioyrgoyntai tetoia problhmata, qa mporoysame kallista na symfwnhsoyme. Gi ayto kai ena apo ta zhthmata poy, toylaxiston, oi dikoi mas antiproswpoi, alla kai ws Proedria, dwsame idiaitero baros se sxesh me thn anaqewrhsh leitoyrgias ths ths E.E., htan akribws h dieyrynsh ths dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias kai h kalych twn pragmatikwn elleimmatwn poy yparxoyn, mesa apo thn anaqewrhsh twn eyrwpaikwn synqhkwn, poy qa ginei, me th syzhthsh ths protashs ths Syneleyshs poy paroysiase o k. Ziskar nt` Esten. Ayto qa ginei. H allagh, h beltiwsh ayth qa ginei. Mexri tote dhmioyrgeitai ena qema poy prepei na to katalabete. Ypografei o k. Petsalnikos me ton Amerikano omologo toy. O k. Petsalnikos den einai me thn idiothta toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, alla toy proedreyontos toy Symboylioy. H symfwnia ayth einai symfwnia Eyrwphs-HPA kai oxi Elladas-HPA. Pws qa mplokaristei apo ena kratos;

FILHS: Giati speydei h Proedria, xwris na ginei syzhthsh sto Eyrwkoinoboylio poy yphrxan antidraseis kai sta eqnika Koinoboylia; Me poioy thn ejoysiodothsh phgainei h Proedria; Twn kybernhsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti opote yparxei antidrash, den proxwra kapoios;

FILHS: Ti ennoeite ``den proxwraei''; Den yphrje synhgoria yper ths symfwnias, dhmosiws, apo kanenan. Oi kybernhseis krybontai pisw apo ton k. Petsalniko, ayth th stigmh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei enas tropos leitoyrgias ths E.E. Ean zhtate o tropos aytos na beltiwqei kai h dhmokratikh diadikasia na dieyrynqei, oloi qa symfwnhsoyme mazi sas. Gi ayto, ejalloy, exoyn problefqei tetoies diadikasies, sto plaisio katartishs toy prwtoy Eyrwpaikoy Syntagmatos, me bash thn protash toy k. Ziskar nt` Esten. Apo kei kai pera, egine syzhthsh symfwna me ta shmerina isxyonta kai oi sxetikes diadikasies exoyn apolytws thrhqei. Den blepw logo na synexisoyme na antidikoyme.

BITALHS: Stoys stoxoys kai ston programmatismo poy paroysiase dhmosia h Ellhnikh Proedria, otan anelambane th qhteia ths, yphrxe h oxi ayto to qema; Deyteron, otan o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedreywn ths EE, phge sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio kai paroysiase to programma ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias, an den me apata h mnhmh moy, ayto to pragma den yphrxe mesa. Kai rwtaw: Kanw laqos poy lew oti den yphrxe oyte ston programmatismo ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias; Oyte stis arxikes diakhryjeis, oyte sthn prwth enhmerwsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

Exete dikio, kyrie Ekproswpe, na milate oti to dhmokratiko elleimma poy yparxei sthn EE den mporei na to kalycei to 6mhno ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias, giati einai problhma baqy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Antiqetws, h Ellhnikh Proedria hqele na ginoyn ayta ta bhmata@

BITALHS: Allo ayto. Sto typiko meros anaferomai. Oson afora to Syntagma, entajei. Alla se ayto poy yparxei twra yparxei ena erwthma: Poy einai loipon h dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias, otan den to qetei stis ejaggelies kai otan den enhmerwnei gia tis proteraiothtes ths to Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat@ arxhn kratw epifylajh, dioti gia tis proteraiothtes ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias yparxei oloklhro biblio. Qa epanelqw ayrio, giati pragmatika den mporw na qymamai tis proteraiothtes 20 ypoyrgeiwn. Deyteron, yparxoyn kai zhthmata poy h idia h zwh dhmioyrghse. Den htan stis proteraiothtes mas, gia paradeigma, to meizon qema poy proekyce me ton polemo sto Irak. Mporoysame na eixame problecei oti qa yphrxe, gia paradeigma, tetoia diastash apocewn metajy Hnwmenoy Basileioy kai Gallias; Oxi. Ara, ek twn pragmatwn, dhmioyrgoyntai kapoia zhthmata mesa apo thn idia th zwh, mesa apo th leitoyrgia twn pragmatwn. Proekyce h piqanothta ypografhs mias Symfwnias, mesa apo diapragmateyseis, me epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn kai entonhs prospaqeias apo thn Ellhnikh Proedria me skopo na ginoyn kapoia pragmata. Otan, loipon, blepeis oti mporeis na ypograceis mia Symfwnia, qa to arnhqeis; Idiaitera otan exeis enhmerwsei oloys toys endiaferomenoys kai exeis thrhsei oles tis problepomenes diadikasies; Kai, en telei, giati den mila kaneis gia thn oysia; Den akoysa kamia koybenta gia thn oysia, edw shmera.

TSAKIRHS: Shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "Eleyqerh @Wra" emfanizei seira fwtografiwn me ton patera ths kas Daskalakh-Aggelopoyloy kai sxoliazei oti htan synergaths me diaforoys xoyntikoys. H kybernhsh to gnwrize ayto, otan ths aneqese thn proedria toy 2004;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa kanw mia genikh anafora gia thn ennoia ths oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs: Parapempei se alla kaqestwta kai oxi se dhmokratika.

TSAKIRHS: Giati mia seira stelexwn toy PASOK, opws o k. Laliwths paliotera, elege gia ton k. Tsitoyridh oti meteixe se neolaiistikes organwseis ths xoyntas@

PRWTOPAPAS: Pali, den katalabate; Eipa safws, h ennoia ths oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs, dhladh na ftaiw egw gia ton pappoy moy h o eggonos moy gia mena, einai antilhch thn opoian eixan kai efarmozan oloklhrwtika kaqestwta, oxi Dhmokratia, opws h ellhnikh.

FILHS: H ka Aggelopoyloy eixe eklegei boyleyths me th N.D.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati einai kako poy eixe eklegei boyleyths me th ND h ka Aggelopoyloy; Einai kako na eklegesai boyleyths me th ND;

FILHS: Kaqoloy, ayto lew ki egw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei egw na exw tis politikes moy antirrhseis, alla den einai kako.

TAKHS: Giati eixe eipwqei kati analogo gia ton k. Alogoskoyfh, oti o peqeros toy htan sth xoynta@

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw, oydepote exw pei kati tetoio.

TAKHS: Oxi eseis, exei eipwqei pantws.

KALARITHS: To Soydan kai h Tynhsia synexizoyn na diamartyrontai gia th syllhch toy plhrwmatos kai thn katasxesh toy fortioy toy "Baltik Sky", legontas oti eixan oles tis nomimes diadikasies. Yparxei kati neotero sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, sxetika me ton proorismo toy fortioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyoyn apolytws oi xqesines dhlwseis moy.

KALARITHS: Yparxei kati neotero gia to qema ths piqanhs diasyndeshs me thn tromokratia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme kati sygkekrimeno.

FILHS: Diabazoyme sta epishma site ths E.E. oti sta qemata ths shmerinhs atzentas poy qa syzhthqei sthn Oyasigkton, metajy twn Koinotikwn kai twn Amerikanwn, perilambanetai kai h ajiwsh twn HPA, oi aeroporikes etairies na dhlwnoyn, prin ginei to dromologio gia thn Amerikh, poioi polites einai kai alla stoixeia toys sta diafora dromologia pros thn Amerikh. Ep@ aytoy, poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs Proedrias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn shmera, qa elega na perimenoyme ta apotelesmata. Efoson qa syzhthqoyn, se liges wres, swsto politika einai na ta afhsoyme na ejelixqoyn.

MIXAHL: Exei programmatistei synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, th Deytera to prwi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Qa sas apanthsw ayrio. Bebaiws, exei programmatistei Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

FILHS: Me thn teleytaia synqesh toy; Qa einai me th shmerinh synqesh toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me th shmerinh synqesh toy.

FILHS: Qa yparjoyn allages;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Opws gnwrizete o monos armodios gia tis politikes prwtoboylies poy qa analabei einai o Prwqypoyrgos.

IWANNOY: Xqes, o k. Neonakhs se synenteyjh toy, eipe oti qa synexisei na ependyei sto Xrhmatisthrio. Me aformh ayto, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean pisteyete h ean h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai, endexomenws, na apagoreysei tis ependyseis sto Xrhmatisthrio, oxi mono apo toys ypoyrgoys, alla kai apo alla koryfaia kommatika stelexh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsto apo th qesh toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy na sxoliazw synenteyjeis stelexwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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