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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na arxisoyme me merika eisagwgika zhthmata. Xrwstw orismena qemata apo xqes.

Kat@ arxas, ontws dietaxqh telikws peiqarxikh kai poinikh ereyna gia thn ypoqesh toy Arajoy. Metebh epitopoy xqes ekei o arxhgos ths Aeroporias kai dietaje peiqarxikh kai poinikh ereyna, wste na diapistwqei plhrws ti akribws exei ginei kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes. Bebaiws qa ginoyn kai oloi oi aparaithtoi elegxoi kai prolhptikoi gia thn plhrh diasfalish twn pthsewn, gia thn asfaleia twn pthsewn. Ayto einai to prwto poy sas xrwstaw apo xqes.

Deyteron, diabasa me ekplhjh se orismenes efhmerides, parolo oti to klima sth Boylh htan teleiws qetiko xqes kai to akoysa kai sto radiofwniko staqmo, kapoies topoqethseis gyrw apo to xqesino nomo toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy kai MME, o opoios chfisthke xqes kata pleiochfia ap@ to tmhma ths Boylhs, ap@ th Diarkh Epitroph ths Boylhs.

To prwto: Den yparxei kamia armodiothta poy afaireitai toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs. Den yparxei kanena qema. Milhsa kai prin apo ligo me ton k. Laskaridh. Ayta einai laqos entpywseis apo anqrwpoys poy profanws den exoyn diabasei prosektika to nomo. Kai qa parakaloysa, prin grafontai arqra h prin ginontai anafores, na diabazoyme to nomo. Einai to prwto kai kyrio.

Dioti se oles tis periptwseis se ola ta arqra kai malista meta th syzhthsh poy egine kai xqes sth Boylh, synomologhqhke kai ap@ ta politika kommata, oti den yparxei kanena problhma me to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs. Anejarthtws me ekeino to qema, to opoio bebaiws einai ena allo zhthma, to an qa ekxwrhqei h oxi mia nea armodiothta gyrw ap@ toys texnikoys elegxoys twn adeiwn, to opoio afora pio poly to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai oxi emas.

Alla se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Typoy, den yparxei kamia armodiothta toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs, h opoia afaireitai. To eipe xqes kai o k. Koybelhs sth Boylh, to synomologhse kai o k. Paylopoylos. Den katalabainw pws shmera emfanizontai tetoia zhthmata kai qa sas parakaloysa, toylaxiston, na sebomaste th doyleia poy ginetai.

To deytero: Yparxei ena zhthma me thn enexyriash twn metoxwn. Shmera, yparxei ena "paraqyraki", dioti h zwh anadeiknyei tetoia problhmata, to opoio eprepe na ryqmistei. Qa mporoyse kapoios, kapoio kanali, kapoio Meso Enhmerwshs, na enexyriasei tis metoxes toy, o idiokthths toy, enanti kapoioy daneioy. To daneio na mhn ejoflhqei kai na breqei, o exwn eis xeiras toy tis metoxes, emmesws idiokthths, xwris ton aparaithto elegxo ap@ to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs.

Tetoia fainomena, tetoia problhmata, proekycan to teleytaio diasthma, logw nomoqetikoy kenoy. Ti kanei o nomoqeths s@ ayth thn periptwsh; Pairnei mia prwtoboylia kai leei oti prepei ek twn proterwn oi symbaseis enexyriashs metoxwn twn Meswn Enhmerwshs na elegxontai ap@ to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs. Ti pio diafanes. Bebaiws, to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs den mporei na mhn apanthsei ep@ apeiron. Aytes oi symbaseis, poy aforoyn megala pososta metoxwn, einai elaxistes, oytws h allws, kaqe xrono. Eipame oti ena diasthma, telikws 45 hmerwn, einai arketo, prokeimenoy to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, poy kanei para poly kala th doyleia toy kai to exei apodeijei, na elegjei th sxetikh symbash.

Exei anakycei mia ceytofilosofia, ean leei to Eqniko Symboylio -gia kapoio logo, poy egw den katalabainw- 45 meres den kanei th doyleia toy, oti meta qa tekmairetai apodoxh. Einai dynaton to Eqniko Symboylio na exei ena fakelo 45 meres kai na mhn ton elegjei; To exei kanei pote; Oxi. Einai pote dynato na ginei apo opoiadhpote eyryqmh leitoyrgoysa dhmosia arxh kai eidika mia anejarthth arxh; Oxi. Exei dwsei tetoia dikaiwmata; Oxi. Giati dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn; Den einai ikano to diasthma twn 45 hmerwn gia na elegxqei enas fakelos; Eidikotera meta tis proslhceis, poy exei prokhryjei hdh, episthmonwn to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs;

Qewrw oti dhmioyrgoyme orismena problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn kai anarwtiemai to giati, ti krybetai pisw ap@ ayta. Kai einai ena erwthma, to opoio antikeimenika polloi qa eprepe na qesoyme. Opws kai na tonisw oti kai ola ta alla arqra toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy syzhthqhkan diejodika sth Boylh. Gia paradeigma, anaferqhke kati gyrw ap@ ta amoibaia. Ta amoibaia, opws jerete, exoyn poly megalh diaspora, apagoreyetai h sygkentrwsh. Elegxontai ap@ thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. Kai einai ena sygxrono meso poy yparxei stis ependyseis, to opoio yparxei mesa sthn agora, prepei na ryqmistei. Den mporei na apagoreyseis thn agora metoxwn gia eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio etaireies apo amoibaia kefalaia, sta opoia yparxei polydiaspora kai kanenas den mporei na ta elegjei kai yparxei eidikos elegxos ap@ thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras.

Kai dinw aytes tis apanthseis, dioti den moy doqhke h dynatothta, mexri stigmhs toylaxiston, na tis dwsw ap@ ta sxetika mesa ta opoia emfanizontai mono toy enos kommatos oi apoceis. Ap@ th stigmh poy den exw dynatothta h den eklhqhmen na poyme tis apoceis mas, tis leme edw.

Feygw ap@ ayto to shmeio. Einai h gnwsth kai shmantikh ypoqesh poy sxetizetai me tis epixeirhseis poy kleinoyn, gia tis opoies exei afierwqei para polys xronos kai logiko einai, otan exoyme anergoys ayto to diasthma. Qelw na dwsw kapoia stoixeia poy isws apantoyn se oles aytes tis aitiaseis poy yphrjan.

Kat@ arxas, qelw na jekaqarisw oti h kybernhsh asxolhqhke kai asxolhqhke para poly me oles aytes tis epixeirhseis poy antimetwpisan problhma. Gnwrizete poly kala oti eginan synexeis trimereis synergasies, xqes. Htan se synexeia synanthsewn poy ekane o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai o k. Reppas o ypoyrgos Ergasias kai sth synexeia aytwn twn epafwn o yfypoyrgos Ergasias o k. Leyterhs Tziolas ekane xqes seira trimerwn synergasiwn me toys idiokthtes kai toys ergazomenoys twn epixeirhsewn poy antimetwpizan problhma.

Kai malista gia to qema ths ``SISSER PALLAS'' egine poly megalh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei lysh kai na diathrhqoyn oi qeseis ergasias, xwris mexri ayth th stigmh na yparxei katalhjh se kapoio sygkekrimeno apotelesma. Alla oi prospaqeies kateblhqhsan kai kateblhqhsan shmantikes.

To deytero shmeio. Analoges kinhseis kai synergasies eginan kai me tis alles epixeirhseis. Kai me thn periptwsh ths ``YBONNH STORES'' kai me thn periptwsh twn Soyper Market "ANTWNOPOYLOS" kai yphrje emprakta to endiaferon ths Politeias, prokeimenoy na diathrhqoyn oi qeseis ergasias. Kai exoyme jekaqarisei, oti parallhla me thn poly megalh prospaqeia mas gia diathrhsh twn qesewn ergasias, eimaste etoimoi, ean o mh genoito xreiastei kai yparxoyn mazikes apolyseis, gia th lhch gennaiwn metrwn epanentajhs twn anergwn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia me shmantikes enisxyseis kai parembaseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn. Kai ayto deixnei kai thn eyaisqhsia kai thn apotelesmatikothta poy yparxei sthn kybernhsh.

Apo ekei kai pera, omws, qa prepei kapoia stigmh, pera apo ta sygkekrimena problhmata, poy einai yparkta kai poy bebaiws ofeiloyme na kanoyme oles tis anagkaies kinhseis gia na ta antimetwpisoyme, ofeiloyme na dwsoyme kai kapoia stoixeia gia th synolikh katastash, gia na mhn dhmioyrgoyme mia eikona anantistoixh me thn pragmatikothta.

Bebaiws kaqenas poy menei anergos einai ena problhma kai eimai o prwtos poy to lew. Kaqe anergos einai ena megalo problhma kai ofeilei na mas apasxolei oloys kai prepei na prospaqoyme gia thn entajh toy sthn paragwgikh diadikasia. Nai. Alla ap@ ayto to shmeio, mexri to shmeio toy na emfanizoyme oti yparxei geniko klima katastrofhs kai anergias, yparxei mia diafora.

Qa dwsw, loipon, ta stoixeia poy moy esteile shmera o OAED.

-To etos 2000 yphrxan 978.266 anaggelies proslhchs ston OAED, 534.805 apolyseis kai 341.895 oikeioqeleis apoxwrhseis, kyriws logw syntajiodothshs. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti to isozygio htan qetiko.

-To etos 2001 yphrxan 1.053.155 anaggelies proslhchs ston OAED, 597.575 kataggelies symbashs @ apolyseis kai 386.043 oikeioqeleis apoxwrhseis. To isozygio htan qetiko.

-To etos 2002 yphrxan 1.080.310 anaggelies proslhchs, 590.777 kataggelies symbashs kai 417.865 oikeioqeleis apoxwrhseis. To isozygio htan qetiko. Kai,

-To etos 2003, me ta mexri twra yparxonta stoixeia, eixame 200.665 anaggelies proslhchs, 118.809 kataggelies symbashs kai 88.548 oikeioqeleis apoxwrhseis. Qa deite oti kai edw yparxei isoskelismos.

Aqroistika apo to 2000 mexri to 2003, mesa s@ ayta ta 3,5 xronia, exoyme qetiko isozygio yper twn proslhcewn. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta mesa sthn oikonomia. Yparxoyn kai alla stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn doqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Apo to 1999 mexri kai to telos Ioynioy toy 2002, leitoyrghsan sthn agora 292.722 nees epixeirhseis kai ekleisan 221.622 epixeirhseis. Yparxei ena qetiko isozygio 71.100 epixeirhsewn se tria xronia parapanw poy leitoyrghsan. Ti shmainei ayto; Shmainei, oti nai, einai problhma otan menei enas anergos, nai yparxei problhma otan kleinei mia epixeirhsh, nai ofeiloyme na bohqhsoyme aytoys toys anqrwpoys gia na epanentaxqoyn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia, anamfibola nai. Alla apo thn allh pleyra, oi epixeirhseis poy anoigoyn einai perissoteres ap@ aytes poy kleinoyn, oi qeseis ergasias poy dhmioyrgoyntai einai perissoteres sthn Ellada ap@ aytes poy xanontai. Kai ayto dinei kai th dynamikh ths oikonomias kai to qetiko apotelesma yper ths apasxolhshs, yper toy ergazomenoy kai dhmioyrgei thn elpida kai thn prooptikh poy exoyme anagkh.

Bebaiws kai qa pairnoyme metra gia toys anergoys kai qa bohqoyme thn epanentajh toys, alla na qesoyme ta zhthmata stis pragmatikes toys diastaseis, parallhla me thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy kataballei h kybernhsh aytes tis meres gia na mhn kleisoyn telika ki aytes oi epixeirhseis. Ayta eisagwgika.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Gi@ ayto to teleytaio qema poy anaferate sto qema ths anergias kai to kleisimo twn epixeirhsewn, symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis apoceis toy Proedroy ths GSEE, oti endexomenws yparxei ena organwmeno sxedio apo to SEB gia na xtyphqoyn ta ergatika dikaiwmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Koitajte, sas eipa kai xqes k. Xasapopoyle, h kaqe topoqethsh poy ginetai apo enan ypeyqyno paragonta kai o k. Polyzwgopoylos einai enas ypeyqynos paragwn kai to exei apodeijei ayto para polles fores, exei th dikh ths ajia. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh ayto poy exei na dhlwsei ws kybernhsh, to dhlwse prin apo ligo me ta stoixeia poy edwsa.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ta stoixeia poy dwsate xqes gia tis aithseis ptwxeysewn thn teleytaia 4etia, mas dwsate enan ariqmo gia to prwto 5mhno toy 2003.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edwse to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Nai. Amesws meta, omws, yphrje kapoia anakoinwsh apo to Syndesmo Ellhnikwn Biomhxaniwn, an den kanw laqos, me ta stoixeia poy pareqese prokyptei apo ekei, oti h ayjhsh sto prwto 5mhno toy 2003, se sxesh me to prwto 5mhno toy 2002, einai ths tajews toy 151,8%. Exete kapoio sxolio gi@ ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw sas lew ta stoixeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, ta opoia einai epishma kai den nomizw oti kaneis mporei na ta amfisbhthsei, dioti exoyn parqei mesa apo tis epishmes dikastikes arxes kai otan bgainei to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs me stoixeia twn epishmwn dikastikwn arxwn den nomizw oti xwroyn amfisbhthsh. Den ta brhka monos moy ta stoixeia, opws katalabainete.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Oxi, den ta amfisbhtei oyte ta stoixeia, kanei sygkrish metajy toy prwtoy 5mhnoy toy 2002 kai toy prwtoy 5mhnoy toy 2003. Leei, dhladh, oti paroysiazei to prwto 5mhno toy 2003 ayjhsh kata 151,8% se sxesh me to idio diasthma toy 2002, poy shmainei oti prooptika mporei na einai poly megalytero.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa to doyme. Pantws ta stoixeia poy exoyme paroysiasei den apodeiknyoyn kati tetoio, den epibebaiwnoyn kati tetoio. Emeis dwsame ta stoixeia tessarwn etwn, den dwsame stoixeia memonwmenoy mhna. Dwsame ta stoixeia tessarwn etwn, opoy to fainomeno den einai sygkyriako, einai sthn pragmatikothta, emfanizetai sthn anaptyjh toy, sthn poreia toy. Otan dineis stoixeia se baqos xronoy, deixneis thn poreia enos fainomenoy kai etsi apodeiknyeis pragmatika poia einai ayth h poreia.

MIXAHL: Exw dyo erwthseis: H prwth erwthsh einai, ean eseis exete kapoia apanthsh sto erwthma poy qesate, giati paroysiazontai problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn, sxetika me ta dhmosieymata poy eidate gia th syzhthsh sth Boylh gyrw apo to nomosxedio sas. Ean exete mia apanthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: As elpisoyme oti einai logw ellipoys katanohshs isws kapoiwn pragmatwn.

MIXAHL: H elpida den einai apanthsh, einai kai eyxh endexomenws. Eseis exete apanthsh dhladh na mas peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den mporw na kanw dikh proqesewn. Egw lew ta gegonota, qelw na elpizw oti ofeilontai se elliph katanohsh kapoiwn nomikwn leptomereiwn.

MIXAHL: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai, oti @

PRWTOPAPAS: An omws xreiastei na poyme kati allo, qa to poyme na eiste bebaios.

MIXAHL: An qelete mporeite na mas to peite kai twra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, den exw katalhjei ayth th stigmh gia na to pw.

MIXAHL: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai to ejhs: Olo ayto to klima poy eseis me ta stoixeia poy mas paroysiasate prin apo ligo qelete na mas peite, oti den einai etsi olo ayto to pragma poy lete, oti kalliergeitai me to kleisimo twn epixeirhsewn, twn anergwn .Qelw na rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos stis opoies apofaseis anakoinwsei apo to telos ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias kai meta, qa exei kai kateyqynseis poy qa apantoyn se ayto to klima.

PRWTOPAPAS: De gnwrizw ti prwtoboylies qa parei o Prwqypoyrgos telos Ioynioy kai de nomizw oti yparxei kaneis poy me akribeia na mporei na pei poies qa einai aytes. Apo thn allh pleyra, an moy lete oti oi prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se genikes grammes, de qa apantoyn mesa sta pragmatika problhmata ths koinwnias, bebaiws qa apantoyn sta pragmatika problhmata ths koinwnias. Ayto einai aytonohto. Otan omilei o Prwqypoyrgos gia politikes prwtoboylies, ayto shmainei oti oi politikes prwtoboylies toy se genikes grammes, dioti de gnwrizoyme poies sygkekrimena qa einai, qa apantoyn eyqews sta pragmatika erwthmata poy yparxoyn, sta pragmatika problhmata ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, dinontas th dikh mas prooptikh, th dikh mas diastash, gia th lysh aytwn twn problhmatwn.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh prohgoymenws eipate oti qa labei h kybernhsh gennaia metra yper twn ergazomenwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yper twn anergwn, se periptwsh poy yparjoyn anergoi.

KARGOYDH: Nai, twn anergwn, symfwnoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanentajhs eipa.

KARGOYDH: H prwth moy erwthsh einai, an proanaggellete kapoia kainoyria metra, enisxytika twn hdh yparxontwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete oti kaqe fora poy eixame mazikes apolyseis, eixame parei apo to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn, gennaia metra epanentajhs twn ergazomenwn. An xreiastei, dioti ayth th stigmh kataballontai prospaqeies na breqei lysh, prepei na jerete, den exoyme ftasei sto shmeio na poyme oti oristikopoihqhke to kleisimo twn epixeirhsewn kai den yparxei mia allh prooptikh. An xreiastei, qa enisxyqoyn oi ergazomenoi gia na epanentaxqoyn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia, me o,ti ayto shmainei. Yparxei enas tropos poy leitoyrgoyse to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias se ayta, einai metra epanentajhs.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh ayth h koybenta kai genikotera ayto to megalo problhma exei kai diafora poiotika xarakthristika, poy den ejantloyntai sth glwssa twn ariqmwn, qa hqela na rwthsw an@

PRWTOPAPAS: Swsto ayto poy lete pragmati, alla oi ariqmoi exoyn th shmasia toys.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei dynatothta, einai mesa stis dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, na dhmioyrghqei ena eidiko tameio gi@ aytoys toys anqrwpoys, opws xqes yphrje mia protash sth synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai milaw gia poiotika xarakthristika, giati yparxoyn anqrwpoi, opws anaferqhke xqes, poy einai konta sth syntajh, exoyn megalytero problhma gia thn epanentajh sthn agora ergasias. En pash periptwsei, qa hqela na rwthsw an ta metra, an h kybernhsh skeftetai kapoia metra poy de qa droyn pyrosbestika sto problhma, alla prolhptika kai me thn paroysia aytwn twn epixeirhsewn sthn ellhnikh agora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw omws na pw, kat@ arxas na anagnwrisw, to eipa kai prin kai qelw na to epanalambanw, oti oso yparxei kai enas anergos anqrwpos, mas apasxolei, ayto einai paradoxh.Toytoy doqentos, legw oti h prwth prospaqeia poy kanoyme ayth th stigmh, einai na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata twn sygkekrimenwn epixeirhsewn, na broyme mia lysh kai ginetai mia megalh prospaqeia apo thn kybernhsh se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

Xqes, o k. Tziolas, sas eipa oti meta tis epafes toy k. Reppa kai toy k. Xristodoylakh, ekane mia poly megalh prospaqeia se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

Deyteron, an, o mh genoito, yparjoyn problhmata omadikwn apolysewn, yparxoyn metra epanentajhs, poy kai sto parelqon exoyn lhfqei. Bebaiws kaqe fora eksygxronizontai, allazoyn, beltiwnontai me tis apofaseis twn Ypoyrgwn, qa ejaggelqoyn apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo ton k. Reppa, alla otan ftasoyme se ekeino to shmeio.

H prooptikh mas einai kai ayth, na bohqhsoyme, na symballoyme sthn entajh twn anergwn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia kai mas endiaferei ayto.

Bebaiws panw ap@ ola mas endiaferei na dhmioyrgoyme mia ygih kai anaptygmenh ellhnikh oikonomia, poy qa dhmioyrgei qeseis ergasias, ayth einai h prolhch. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, exoyme ta metra toy G@ K.P.S., ta metra ths tonwshs ths antagwnistikothtas, ton anaptyjiako nomo kai para polla metra epaggelmatikhs katartishs kai enisxyshs ths proslhchs ergazomenwn, apo ton OAED kai to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias.

Prosfata o OAED ejhggeile seira metrwn se ayth thn kateyqynsh, ta opoia ylopoioyntai shmera sthn agora. Ayta einai ta prolhptika metra poy orqws zhtate kai ayta ginontai, proxwroyn sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Gi@ ayto fernoyme ta apotelesmata se aytoys toys ariqmoys poy sas diabasa prin kai deixnoyn oti to qetiko isozygio ths apasxolhshs einai gegonos, oti yparxei qetiko isozygio ston tomea ths apasxolhshs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An moy epitrepete Ypoyrge, h ka Papandreoy, ektos@

PRWTOPAPAS: H ka Papandreoy ekane mia endiaferoysa protash, poy qa ejetastei fantazomai apo ta armodia Ypoyrgeia. Yparxoyn endiaferoyses protaseis poy anaptyxqhkan ayton ton kairo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qelw na rwthsw, omws, oysiastika eqese kai to qema ths koinwnikhs ergasias, giati ayto to tameio qa misqodotei oysiastika apolymenoys gia na ergazontai se sxoleia. Yphrxe nomizw palaiotera, epitrecte moy na diatypwsw to erwthma, mia skech sto Ypoyrgeio Ergasias, otan hsastan ki eseis, ena nomosxedio gia thn koinwnikh ergasia. Gnwrizoyme thn tyxh toy, exei proxwrhsei, qa proxwrhsei, to skeftomaste, ti ginetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ayta ta zhthmata exei apasxolhqei kata kairoys to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias. Eidika gia toys hlikiwmenoys anergoys h gia toys megalhs hlikias anergoys, poy dyskoleyontai na entaxqoyn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia, exoyn lhfqei kata kairoys para polla metra.

Qelw na qymisw to metro ths dwrean iatrikhs kai farmakeytikhs periqalchs twn hlikiwmenwn anergwn, qelw na qymisw to metro twn para poly ychlwn epidothsewn gia thn proslhch anergwn megalhs hlikias stis ellhnikes epixeirhseis, epidothseis poy kalyptan sxedon olo to merokamato, sygkekrimena, exoyn ejaggelqei kai ylopoihqei tetoia programmata.

Bebaiws kai kaqe protash, poy mporei na enisxysei ayth thn kateyqynsh gia thn epanentajh, tonizw, gia thn epanentajh aytwn twn anqrwpwn, mexri th syntajiodothsh toys, prepei na ejetastei qetika kai qa ginei ayto.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Exei h kybernhsh plhrofories h mia dikh ths aisqhsh oti epikeintai kai allo kyma, mallon kai alles apoxwrhseis biomhxaniwn sto ejwteriko, giati yparxoyn diafores plhrofories poy grafontai kai shmera stis efhmerides, oti kapoies farmakobiomhxanies prokeitai na fygoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pantws, ayth th stigmh, katalabainete para poly kala oti o kaqenas mporei na exei tis plhrofories toy. Ftasame sto shmeio na emfanizontai diaforoi epixeirhmaties kai na dhlwnoyn oti ayta poy akoyte gia thn epixeirhsh moy den isxyoyn kai nomizw oti tis teleytaies meres giname kai martyres tetoiwn gegonotwn.

Pera apo ekei, na jekaqarisoyme kati. Epixeirhseis qa anoigoyn kai epixeirhseis qa kleinoyn. Dioti an kapoios, gia paradeigma, den xeiristei kala thn epixeirhsh toy h kanei kapoios laqos epiloges h yparxoyn orismenoi kladoi poy apajiwnontai mesa sthn poreia kai tis allages tis terasties poy synteloyntai sthn eyrwpaikh kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia, problhmata qa dhmioyrgoyntai. To erwthma poy tiqetai einai, an ayta ta problhmata yperkalyptontai yper twn ergazomenwn, apo to dynamismo ths oikonomias kai th dhmioyrgia newn epixeirhsewn kai ta metra tonwshs ths apasxolhshs. Ayth den einai h pragmatikh erwthsh; An ayth einai h pragmatikh erwthsh, apantw oti nai, ayto hdh ginetai. Bebaiws, einai para poly asxhmo na yparxei kai kapoios anergos kai omologw oti h fwnh agwnias poy bgainei apo toys anergoys, prepei na mas eyaisqhtopoiei oloys mas. Alla, h doyleia ginetai apo thn Politeia. Kai ta metra tonwshs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai ths antagwnistikothtas ths efarmozontai kai ta metra enisxyshs ths apasxolhshs kai eksygxronismoy ths parembashs twn ergazomenwn, ths qeshs twn ergazomenwn mesa sthn paragwgikh diadikasia prowqoyntai, ypo thn ennoia twn gnwsewn kai ths antistoixishs stis nees paragwgikes diadikasies. As mhn ta meiwnoyme ayta.

Edwsa noymera, edwsa stoixeia kai gia to qetiko isozygio twn newn epixeirhsewn, enanti ekeinwn poy feygoyn kai gia to qetiko isozygio ths apasxolhshs. Milame me stoixeia kai oxi me entypwseis. Kai milame me stoixeia kai oxi me entypwseis, giati mas endiaferei para poly ayto to qema. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe fora yparxoyn orismenoi epixeirhmaties, oi opoioi isws -kai to exw tonisei ayto kai pro ebdomadas, poy ekana mia sxetikh topoqethsh- exoyn antilhfqei para poly asxhma to rolo toys.

Otan miloyn gia ependysh, ennooyn thn ependysh ayth ej oloklhroy kalymmenh apo epidothseis. Ayto den mporei na ginei. Yparxoyn epixeirhmaties poy den antilambanontai thn anagkh ths kataqeshs meroys ths eyqynhs kai symmetoxhs toys sth genikoterh prospaqeia ths xwras. Kai syzhtoyn, opws kai paliotera eixe ginei, thn periptwsh na metakinhqoyn se kapoies alles xwres me poly xamhla merokamata. Yphrxe mia fwnh malista, apo thn ergodotikh pleyra, oti prepei ki emeis na xamhlwsoyme ta merokamata, gia na eimaste pio antagwnistikoi. Ma de qeloyme ena tetoio montelo sthn koinwnia mas. Qa antistaqoyme se ayto; Qa antistaqoyme se aytes tis antilhceis; Qa antistaqoyme stis antilhceis poy lene, peripoy ekbiastika, oti an de meiwqei to merokamato, oti an den pairnei ligotera o ergazomenos, oti an den aporyqmistoyn oi ergasiakes sxeseis, kapoioi qa fygoyn; Ayto to montelo koinwnias qeloyme omws emeis; Ayto to montelo koinwnias qelei h Eyrwph;

Alla lene oi apofaseis ths Lissabonas ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai de milaw mono gia thn Ellada. Ekei xreiazetai mia alloy typoy prospaqeia. Mia prospaqeia poy na dhmioyrgei th nea antagwnistikothta kai thn kanoyme emeis. Mia prospaqeia poy na dhmioyrgei to neo ergazomeno, poy na jerei na staqei stis nees synqhkes ths paragwghs kai bohqame me ta metra mas, mesw OAED, se ayth thn kateyqynsh kai ginetai ena shmantiko ergo, poy qa apodwsei anejarthta apo tis kinhseis orismenwn.

KARGOYDH: Sto allo qema poy hqela na sas rwthsw: Xqes o Ypoyrgos Naytilias sth Boylh, kathgorhse eyqews boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti yperaspizontai symferonta omadas efoplistwn h kapoiwn efoplistwn. Hqela, an einai dynaton, na eiste pio sygkekrimenos, giati antilambaneste oti einai sobaro ayto poy leei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy k. Anwmerith, o opoios kai poly sobara kineitai kai meta logoy gnwsews omilhse. Kai nomizw oti panta einai tekmhriwmenos o k. Anwmeriths, otan pairnei to logo.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo xqes akoyme, se syzhthseis poy kanoyme me stelexh toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs, oti yparxoyn kapoies eishghseis, eishgoyntai pros ton Prwqypoyrgo na kanei tis ekloges ton Ioylio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena stelexos den eishghqhke epispeysh twn eklogwn. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn kanonika thn anoijh toy 2004. Giati prepei na koyrazomaste na to epanalambanoyme.

IWANNOY: Na rwthsw kai kati allo: Kata th gnwmh sas, anasxhmatismos prepei na ginei, giati prin apo ligh wra o Proedros ths Boylhs mas eipe oti h xwra ayth th stigmh de xreiazetai anasxhmatismo.

PRWTOPAPAS: De qa epilejw egw to an o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei anasxhmatismo h oxi. Den pisteyw na perimenete na apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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