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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Oloklhrwqhke shmera, prin apo ligo, h syzhthsh toy Nomosxedioy toy ypoyrgeioy mas sth diarkh Epitroph ths Boylhs kai qa synexistei sthn Olomeleia. Synexizetai -den jerw an exei teleiwsei ayth th stigmh- h synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia to qema toy kymatos kleisimatos diaforwn epixeirhsewn yparxei mia dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths GSEE poy afhnei aixmes oti aytes oi kinhseis twn epixeirhmatiwn emperiexoyn mikropolitikes stoxeyseis, syndeei to kyma toy kleisimatos epixeirhsewn me tis ektimhseis toy SEB, peri kymatos apolysewn kai ayjhshs ths anergias. Hqela na mas peite to sxolio sas kai an sympiptei h ektimhsh sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ergo ths kybernhshs den einai na sxoliazei dhlwseis twn proedrwn koinwnikwn forewn. Kaqe proedros koinwnikoy forea, kai idiws twn megalwn koinwnikwn forewn kai idiaiterws o proedros ths GSEE k. Polyzwgopoylos, exoyn panta thn akribeia toy logoy toys kai yperaspizontai me ton tropo poy aytoi qewroyn kalytero -kai ofeiloyme na to anagnwrisoyme ayto- ta symferonta toy forea kai toy kosmoy poy ekproswpoyn.

Genikotera, omws, se o,ti afora to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei, qelw na dwsw kapoia stoixeia kai na kanw kai kapoies politikes ektimhseis. Qelw, prwta apo ola, na epanalabw ta stoixeia poy edwse shmera sth dhmosiothta o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs Filippos Petsalnikos, symfwna me ta opoia -kai prokeitai gia epishma stoixeia- katateqhkan, kata to 2000, treis xiliades terakosies ennia aithseis ptwxeysewn. To 2001, katateqhkan treis xiliades ekaton saranta dyo aithseis. To 2002, dyo xiliades eniakosies ejhnta aithseis. To 2003 mexri tis 20 Maioy, dhladh stoys pente prwtoys mhnes, exoyn katateqei xilies ekaton ogdonta ennea aithseis. Katalabainete, loipon, poly kala pws den yparxei mia rizika diaforetikh eikona ston tomea ayto, kata to trexon etos.

Oi 1.189 aithseis poy katateqhkan efetos einai peripoy sto pososto poy analogei stoys pente prwtoys mhnes kai twn prohgoymenwn xronwn. Kaqe xronia, loipon, edw kai polla xronia -den afora mono to diasthma apo to 2000- yparxoyn epixeirhseis poy kleinoyn kai epixeirhseis poy anoigoyn.

Yparxoyn epixeirhseis poy kleinoyn, eite dioti parathroyntai genikotera problhmata se enan tomea, se enan klado, se ena proion, eite dioti o antagwnismos dhmioyrgei idiaitera problhmata se ayton ton klado, ton tomea h to proion kai merikes epixeirhseis den antexoyn, eite dioti yparxoyn lanqasmenes epixeirhmatikes apofaseis, eite gia mia seira apo logoys, toys opoioys den mporei o kaqenas na problecei epakribws. Thn idia wra, omws, mesa sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, ola ayta ta xronia, yparxoyn para polles epixeirhseis poy anoigoyn. Yparxoyn epixeirhseis poy dhmioyrgoyntai, idiaitera se neoys tomeis, idiaitera se tomeis neas texnologias, idiaitera me chlh antagwnistikothta. Yparxoyn epixeirhseis poy exoyn th dikh toys qesh kai mesa sthn ellhnikh, alla -para polles fores- kai mesa sthn eyrwpaikh oikonomia. Kai to isozygio ths apasxolhshs einai qetiko. Safws einai problhma na kleinei mia epixeirhsh kai malista megalo. Kaqenas mas to biwnei, prepei na to antimetwpizoyme kai to antimetwpizoyme. Gnwrizete poses fores to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn ola ayta ta xronia - einai prosfates oi dhlwseis toy k. Reppa- exei parei metra koinwnikhs prostasias twn anergwn, idiaitera se periptwseis mazikwn apolysewn h kleisimatos epixeirhsewn. Para polles fores, otan yparxoyn tetoia fainomena, exoyme parei oysiastika metra epanentajhs twn ergazomenwn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia. Exoyn diateqei disekatommyria gia to skopo ayto. Eimaste, isws, apo tis liges xwres ths Eyrwphs poy pairnoyme ayta ta oysiastika metra epanentajhs kai ofeiloyme kapoia stigmh na milhsoyme th glwssa ths alhqeias gi` ayto. Giati fysika mas pona otan yparxoyn anergoi. Einai ena qema poy qeloyme na antimetwpisoyme. Oi politikes mas symballoyn sthn epanentajh anergwn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia. Kai ayto mas endiaferei ws prwto zhthma. Pws, omws, na emfanizoyme eikona mias katastrammenhs oikonomias ekei poy den yparxei; Einai safes oti epixeirhseis kai qa anoigoyn kai qa kleinoyn. O rolos mas einai na epanentassoyme sthn paragwgikh diadikasia toys ergazomenoys poy xanoyn th doyleia toys. O kyrios rolos mas einai na dhmioyrgoyme tis proypoqeseis -kai tis dhmioyrgoyme me tis politikes poy akoloyqoyme apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Anaptyjhs- gia akomh megalyterh anodo ths paragwghs sthn Ellada, gia ayjhsh toy AEP, gia tonwsh ths antagwnistikothtas, gia dhmioyrgia xiliadwn newn qesewn ergasias. Kai ayto ginetai. Kai den einai tyxaio oti ta teleytaia xronia h anergia exei pesei shmantika sthn Ellada.

Etsi, loipon, qa synexisoyme: Na dhmioyrgoyme to kainoyrgio, na dhmioyrgoyme to neo, na bohqoyme tis epixeirhseis na dhmioyrgoyntai, na proxwroyn, na epekteinontai, na apoktoyn th dikh toys antagwnistikh qesh sthn agora. Kai bebaiws thn idia wra na frontizoyme -kai na frontizoyme me synaisqhsh eyqynhs gia toys ergazomenoys poy xanoyn th doyleia toys- wste to taxytero na exoyn ta mesa gia na epanentaxqoyn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kai apo th shmerinh sas topoqethsh, alla kai apo dhlwseis armodiwn ypoyrgwn kai yfypoyrgwn gia to qema ths anergias, den exoyme akoysei oyte ixnos aytokritikhs. Dhladh, h kybernhsh den qewrei oti ths analogei kanena meridio eyqynhs gia to gegonos oti kleinoyn megales epixeirhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporeite na moy peite poio meridio eyqynhs ferei h kybernhsh gia thn ptwxeysh ths epixeirhshs Ybonnh Stores, gia paradeigma;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Den mporw na to ejeidikeysw, den einai h doyleia moy, alla an diabasete shmera to filokybernhtiko Typo, qa diapistwsete thn kritikh poy ginetai sthn kybernhsh gia ta "paratragoyda" toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai tis synepeies toys. Oi filokybernhtikes efhmerides thn kanoyn ayth thn kritikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydepote diaxwrizw tis efhmerides se filokybernhtikes kai antikybernhtikes. To exw prosejei ayto, ws korhn ofqalmoy, stoys 19 mhnes poy briskomai se ayth th qesh. Mporei kai egw ws poliths h kai ws politikos h kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na dysarestoymai ean qewrw oti mia kritikh den einai kalopisth. Prepei, omws, na mh dinoyme epiqeta, na mh xarakthrizoyme kai na mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata, alla na sebomaste thn kritikh. Bebaiws, opoy qewroyme oti den exei dikio, qa apantoyme. Kai ayto pisteyw oti einai ypoxrewsh mas. Epomenws, gia na erqw sthn oysia ths topoqethshs sas, den katalabainw se ti ephrease to Xrhmatisthrio ta super market "Antwnopoyloi" h ta katasthmata "Ybonnh". Profanws, se tetoies periptwseis -dioti apo o,ti jerw ta super market sthn Ellada phgainoyn poly kala ws klados- prepei na yphrxan oi mh endedeigmenes epixeirhmatikes apofaseis h endexomenws diafora alla qemata kakhs diaxeirishs. Den to jerw, den mporw na katadikasw kapoion. Den nomizw, omws, oti o klados twn super market sthn Ellada paroysiase kamch ta teleytaia xronia. Antiqeta, an to dei kaneis genika, qa diapistwsei oti paroysiazei stoixeia anakamchs kai ena dynamismo sthn agora. Kapoies epixeirhseis qa kleinoyn. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ths Schisser Palco, gia paradeigma, anarwtiemai pws mporoyme na dikaiologoyme enan ergodoth, o opoios, gia na kerdisei poly perissotera apo o,ti kerdize, kinoymenos sth logikh poy eipan orismenoi paragontes toy SEB oti prepei na metatrecoyme toys misqoys twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn se "misqoys Kinas", na apofasizei jafnika na fygei, na paei sth Boylgaria, epeidh oi misqoi ekei einai poly katwteroi. Kai gia na leme ta pragmata me to onoma toys kai na xrhsimopoioyme th glwssa ths alhqeias rwtw: To Xrhmatisthrio ton peiraje; @H einai mia epixeirhmatikh apofash, apo polloys katakritea, se sxesh me tis proteraiothtes poy qetoyn orismenes epixeirhseis; Yparxoyn epixeirhseis -den mporw na tis katadikasw oles- poy kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys kai ajiopoioyn tis dynatothtes. Yparxoyn, omws, kai logikes poy lene oti, efoson mporw na paw na ekmetalleytw mia katastash arnhtikh poy yparxei gia toys ergazomenoys, kapoy alloy. Nai, alla edw prepei na synomologhsoyme oti qa prepei na ypologizoyme kai to symferon ayths ths xwras, ayths ths koinwnias. Kai prepei, epiteloys, ta qemita epixeirhmatika symferonta, na denontai me ta symferonta ths xwras kai ths koinwnias. Pisteyw oti einai wra na ta syzhthsoyme ola ayta ta qemata, kai bebaiws den piasthkame se kanenan "ypno", otan ayto exei na kanei me idiwtikes epixeirhseis. Kaqe idiwtikh epixeirhsh exei dikaiwma na pairnei tis apofaseis ths. Emeis, bebaiws, me toys anaptyjiakoys nomoys, me to G@ K.P.S., me ta metra gia thn enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas, me toys prwtofaneis ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy paroysiazei h oikonomia ths xwras, epixeiroyme na kanoyme to kaqhkon mas kai na dhmioyrghsoyme kalyteroys oroys ergasias kai ypodomes, opws symbainei kai se ola ta anaptygmena krath. Bebaiws, an kapoios qelei na fygei apo thn Ellada kai na metaferei thn epixeirhsh toy se allh xwra, opoy oi misqoi einai oi misoi, tiqetai ena sobaro zhthma, to opoio fysika prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Alla, na ejetasoyme prwta thn eyqynh.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw dieykrinistika, ean yponoeite oti qa kalesete toys epixeirhmaties h toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn gia na syzhthsete endexomenws kapoia nea dedomena sthn epixeirhmatikh kai thn ergasiakh agora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ginei polles syzhthseis apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai Ergasias-Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Sas eipa oti o agwnas mas einai dittos. Qeloyme na dhmioyrgoyme to kalytero, to idaniko periballon gia tis ellhnikes epixeirhseis gia na ependyoyn, na epekteinontai, na ginontai antagwnistikes, na dhmioyrgoyntai nees qeseis ergasias. Ayto epiqymoyme. Kai qeloyme oi anaptyjiakoi nomoi mas, to Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs, oi drasthriothtes mas, h dhmioyrgia twn sxetikwn ypodomwn na entassontai se ayth th logikh kai na eynooyn thn apasxolhsh. Apo ekei kai pera, ean kapoios pairnei mia diaforetikh apofash kai qelei na kleisei thn epixeirhsh toy, prwtistws sebomaste to problhma twn ergazomenwn, twn anergwn pia, kai einai ypoxrewsh mas -kai to dexomai ayto- kai einai h prwth eyqynh mas na ergazomaste me stoxo na ayjhqoyn oi eykairies apasxolhshs. Qelw na sas qymisw oti polles fores exei ginei ayto kai qa synexisei na ginetai.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mas anaferate ton ariqmo twn epixeirhsewn kai oson afora to 2003 parathroyme oti oi aithseis htan 1.189. Mhpws mporeite na mas dwsete kai stoixeia twn anergwn ayths ths periodoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ta exw sth diaqesh moy, ayth th stigmh. Qa ta brw kai qa sas enhmerwsw. Ta stoixeia poy sas edwsa perihlqan se gnwsh moy apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

POYLIDOY: Yparxoyn deiktes anergias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe xrono parathroyntai tetoia fainomena, akomh kai se megales epixeirhseis. Gia paradeigma, sas anaferw to 2000, otan yphretoysa sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias eixan prokycei analoga fainomena. Qelw, omws, na sas qymisw oti, symfwna me ta epishma stoixeia, h anergia paroysiazei shmantikh ptwsh, ta teleytaia xronia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Anaferomai sta stoixeia toy 2003, giati teleytaia akoysame oti einai megalos o ariqmos twn anergwn. Emfanizontai 1400, sto teleytaio trimhno.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti qa zhthsoyme stoixeia apo ton OAED. Qa epikoinwnhsw kai me ton k. Reppa kai qa sas enhmerwsw sthn ayrianh synanthsh mas. Mporei ta stoixeia toy OAED na apodeiknyoyn oti exoyn dhmioyrghqei perissoteres nees qeseis ergasias sthn oikonomia. Exoyme dyo ypoxrewseis sthn kybernhsh: H prwth, na dhmioyrgoyme tis synqhkes -alla se ayto prepei na symballei kai h ergodotikh pleyra- na ajiopoihsoyme th staqerothta poy yparxei sth xwra, to Koinotiko Plaisio, tis ypodomes, thn enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas, toys ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs kai na dhmioyrghsoyme perissoterh apasxolhsh. Ayth -kai yparxei kai ena meridio poy analogei sthn epixeirhmatikh pleyra- einai h prwth eyqynh olwn mas. H deyterh eyqynh ths kybernhshs mas einai, otan yparxoyn apolyseis, na symparasteketai stoys apolymenoys, wste na epanentassontai grhgora sthn agora ergasias. Ayto to kanoyme kai qa ejakoloyqoyme na to kanoyme. H symbolh mas se ayto ton tomea einai oysiastikh.

TAKHS: Exete na mas peite kati gia thn eidhsh poy grafoyn shmera oi efhmerides gia to gegonos oti breqhkan ston kinhthra enos aeroplanoy katsabidia kai bides;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ginetai ereyna. Otan exoyme kati neotero, qa sas enhmerwsw.

TAKHS: Akoygontai diafores fwnes gia sampotaz.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epikoinwnhsw me to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

MIXAHL: Htan se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oi xqesines ekdhlwseis, h dikh sas, toy k. Skandalidh, oxi gia to ti qa legate, alla oti qa ginontan aytes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati, asxoleitai o Prwqypoyrgos me ti ekdhlwseis qa kanei to kaqe kybernhtiko stelexos;

MIXAHL: Rwtw, an eixate enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo oti prokeitai na kanete mia omilia dhmosia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den ekana dhmosia omilia. Deyteron, an me rwtate gia ta alla stelexh, den katalabainw giati prepei kapoio stelexos na synennohqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na pei tis apoceis toy se mia dhmosia omilia. Den exei ginei pote ayto. Ejalloy kai oi synenteyjeis poy dinoyn ta stelexh mas isodynamoyn sthn oysia me dhmosies omilies. Den nomizw oti yparxei diafora metajy synenteyjhs kai omilias. Ta stelexh mas kanoyn omilies, topoqetoyntai se diafora qemata, enhmerwnoyn toys chfoforoys toys, to qewrw apolytws logiko. Alimono an ta stelexh mas meinoyn kleidwmena sta grafeia toys kai den exoyn epafh me toys chfoforoys, toys polites, me toys anqrwpoys poy perimenoyn na akoysoyn h na syzhthsoyn panw sta zhthmata ths politikhs mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Shmera akoygetai poly entona h hmeromhnia 2 Maioy 2004, ws hmera diejagwghs twn eqnikwn eklogwn. Exei lhfqei kapoia apofash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei lhfqei kamia apofash, alla den apokleietai na einai kai ayth h hmeromhnia. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn me th lhjh ths tetraetias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To den apokleietai einai polles oi hmeromhnies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na sas pw thn akribh hmeromhnia. Den mporw na to gnwrizw ayth th stigmh kai pisteyw pws kaneis den mporei na to jerei. Ekeino poy exw na tonisw einai oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sth lhjh ths tetraetias, mesa stis syntagmatikes proqesmies.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H hmeromhnia 2 Maioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perilambanetai se ayto poy eipa.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Protiqetai o k. Shmiths na programmatisei nea synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs sta mesa toy Ioylioy, wste na syzhthqoyn oi prwtoboylies poy mexri tote qa exei labei h exei hdh labei; Rwtw, giati yparxei mia tetoia plhroforia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai o katallhloteros gia na epibebaiwnw synedriaseis ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, alla den mporw na to apokleisw ayth th stigmh. O Prwqypoyrgos kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio qa apofasisoyn me poion tropo mporei na syzhthqoyn oi politikes prwtoboylies mas mexri thn Anoijh toy 2004. Ayth h syzhthsh prepei, bebaiws, na ginei kai sta organa toy kommatos, alla qa ejetasoyn ton prosforotero tropo. Einai poly nwris na prosdiorisoyme to pws akribws qa ginei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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