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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio toy "gyroy twn prwteyoyswn", brisketai shmera sthn Polwnia kai qa exei synanthsh me ton omologo toy.

Exete, hdh enhmerwqei gia th dhlwsh toy Genikoy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy Swkrath Kosmidh, se sxesh me ta anagrafomena ston Typo.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, wstoso, epeidh kai o k. Kosmidhs einai stenos synergaths toy Prwqypoyrgoy, otan diatypwnei tetoies apoceis enocei anasxhmatismoy, einai logiko na prokaleitai sygxysh, na qewroyntai aytes oi apoceis toy propompos. Mhpws, telika, qa eprepe oi synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy na mhn ekfrazoyn tis proswpikes toys apoceis;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ean kai pote qa yparjei anasxhmatismos einai qema poy afora apokleistika kai monon ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto to exoyme pei kat` epanalhch. O Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy Swkraths Kosmidhs kateqese aytes tis apoceis toy se mia ekdhlwsh problhmatismoy toy OPEK, h opoia eixe apofasistei na ginei se anypopto xrono. Kai -opws kai o idios jekaqarise xqes- einai proswpikes apoceis toy, tis opoies kataqetei akribws gia na enisxysei ton problhmatismo poy einai shmera yparktos kai sto PASOK, alla kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, gia th metarryqmish kai ton eksygxronismo toy politikoy systhmatos mas. Ejalloy, oi apoceis toy k. Kosmidh einai oi idies apo to 1995. Den exoyn sxesh me opoies epikeimenes apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Prosdiorizontai gia thn epomenh tetraetia, meta apo thn epidiwkomenh apo emas ananewsh ths laikhs entolhs kai aforoyn ton problhmatismo toy, gia th genikoterh allagh poy qa prepei na ginei sto kratos, th Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai to politiko mas systhma. Oi apoceis aytes den proanaggelloyn kamia apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den exoyn sxesh me opoies epikeimenes apofaseis. Einai kataqesh problhmatismoy, me bash tis apoceis poy, edw kai polla xronia, yposthrizei o k. Kosmidhs.

IWANNOY: Wstoso, shmera stis prwtes antidraseis toys para polloi boyleytes, oi opoioi symmerizontai tis apoceis toy k. Kosmidh zhtoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na proxwrhsei amesa se tetoioy eidoys allages. Kai apo thn allh pleyra stelexh toy PASOK poy den symmerizontai aytes tis eksygxronistikes apoceis, rwtoysan shmera "poios einai o k. Kosmidhs kai apo poy kai ews poy na ekfrazei tetoies apoceis": Blepoyme, loipon, na arxizei na diafainetai mia sygkroysh, kaqws polla stelexh poy proskeintai sto eksygxronistiko mplok qeloyn aytes tis allages kai zhtoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na proxwrhsei se aytes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn mplok. Oi antiqeseis poy emfanisthkan to 1996 den isxyoyn. Ayth th stigmh den yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys mplok sto PASOK. Oloi exoyme symfwnhsei -ayto eipame kai sto prohgoymeno Synedrio mas- oti proxwroyme me ton Kwsta Shmith, oti syzhtoyme metajy mas, problhmatizomaste kai oti o problhmatismos ginetai me bash ta symferonta toy topoy kai bebaiws thn poreia ths paratajhs mas. Einai safes, loipon, oti se mia ekdhlwsh problhmatismoy, opoy para polla stelexh exoyn mexri twra kataqesei tis apoceis toys, opws ypoyrgoi, melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, kaqws kai melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. Se mia tetoia ekdhlwsh, sthn opoia symmeteixan kai dyo ypoyrgoi o k. Kosmidhs qewrhse skopimo na syneisferei se olo ayton to dialogo me ton problhmatismo toy, tonizontas oti einai proswpikes apoceis toy. Yparxei kai sto xqesino keimeno toy. Qelw, malista, na sas qymisw oti brisketai, an den kanw laqos, sth selida 14. Eipe, dhladh, oti tetoies allages poy proypoqetoyn baqos xronoy kai seira nomoqetikwn parembasewn kai genikoteroy sxediasmoy den exoyn na kanoyn me epikeimenes apofaseis, praktika ayto den ginetai, alla exoyn na kanoyn me to sxediasmo kai ton problhmatismo mas gia to programma ths epomenhs tetraetias, gia tis parembaseis mas, th filosofia mas kai thn politikh poy qa paroysiasoyme enocei ths diekdikhshs ths laikhs entolhs, sto telos ths tetraetias. Einai safes, loipon, oti monon ayth h ermhneia yparxei. Den yparxei kati allo. Den einai kako ta stelexh na paroysiazoyn tis apoceis, ton problhmatismo toys. Kai bebaia prepei na einai kaqaro gia oloys mas oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa parei tis dikes toy apofaseis. Oi opoies alles apoceis kai protaseis den aforoyn tis prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Bebaiws, omws, einai gnwsto oti yparxei enas genikoteros problhmatismos sto PASOK gia tis megales allages kai metarryqmiseis ths epomenhs tetraetias, ston opoio oloi mporoyme na syneisferoyme.

KALARITHS: O Prwqypoyrgos htan enhmeros gia thn proqesh toy k. Kosmidh na dhmosiopoihsei, na epanalabei tis sygkekrimenes protaseis, xqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynaton na emplekeis ton Prwqypoyrgo, otan milas se mia ekdhlwsh problhmatismoy kai tonizeis tis proswpikes apoceis soy; Fysika o Prwqypoyrgos kai den empleketai se kamia tetoia periptwsh. Qelw na sas qymisw oti sthn idia ekdhlwsh htan kai dyo ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi kateqesan tis apoceis toys kai den eida na exei dhmioyrghqei kanena problhma, gyrw apo aytes.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Giati, o Prwqypoyrgos den htan enhmeros gia mia dhmosiopoihsh apocewn toy stenoy synergath toy, thn idia periodo poy o idios me dhlwsh toy thn Prwtomagia, exei hdh kallierghsei klima prwqypoyrgikwn kinhsewn gia to epomeno diasthma; Dhladh, o opoiosdhpote qa mporoyse na eklabei, ws logiko symperasma, oti o k. Kosmidhs ekfrazei kai th fwnh toy k. Shmith, efoson einai stenos synergaths toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti texnika, praktika kai dioikhtika yparxei terastio problhma. Tetoies apoceis poy exoyn katateqei, polloi tis koybentiazoyn. Ayto einai pragmatiko gegonos. Einai, omws, anagkaio na ginoyn sto plaisio genikoterwn allagwn kai anadiarqrwsewn, opote apaitoyn para poly xrono. Den ginontai me dioikhtikes prajeis. Tetoies apofaseis lambanontai sto plaisio genikoterwn allagwn, metarryqmisewn sto kratos, th Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai to politiko systhma mas. Aytos o problhmatismos yparxei kai katatiqetai apo polloys, prokeimenoy na syneisferei sth dhmioyrgia toy programmatos toy PASOK kai to sxediasmo mas poy qa yperbainei thn hmeromhnia twn eklogwn, qa exei baqos xronoy -to exoyme janasyzhthsei ayto- kai qa oloklhrwnetai me to telos ths epomenhs tetraetias, meta th diekdikhsh ths laikhs chfoy. Ekei apoblepei aytos o problhmatismos. Alimono, an proanhggeile -kai kamia tetoia proqesh den yphrxe bebaiws- apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O Kwstas Shmiths exei apodeijei, para polles fores, oti lambanei tis apofaseis toy o idios, me dikh toy eyqynh kai me bash thn entolh poy exei apo ton ellhniko lao kai etsi panta qa lambanei tis apofaseis lambanei poy o idios krinei. Den einai dynaton kaqe fora na dinoyme tetoies ermhneies, idiaitera otan o k. Kosmidhs yposthrizei staqera tis idies qeseis apo to 1995. Yparxei allwste kai ena bibliaraki, poy ekdoqhke to 1995 apo to Dikhgoriko Syllogo Peiraia, opoy paroysiazontai analoges apoceis toy k. Kosmidh.

ANTYPAS: O k. Shmiths eixe pei sthn prosfath dhlwsh toy, oti den qa epitrecei se kanenan na qesei aytos thn atzenta ths dhmosias syzhthshs kai profanws ennooyse aytoys oi opoioi sthn paroysa sygkyria kalliergoyn to klima ths skandalologias@

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipe oti den einai dynato na kyriarxhsei ena klima mias atekmhriwths skandalologias. Den einai dynato na mh staqoyme politika sta pragmatika problhmata ths poreias toy topoy kai twn politwn.

ANTYPAS: @ Eidame, loipon, xqes ena steno synergath toy, epi seira etwn, na kataqetei ton problhmatismo toy kai aytos o problhmatismos na kyriarxei sthn atzenta. Kai den pisteyw na lete oti den htan enas oysiastikos problhmatismos, oti den eixe na kanei me th leitoyrgia toy politikoy systhmatos, h opoia einai kai to antikeimeno ths prwtoboylias toy k. Shmith. Kai an dexqoyme oti o anasxhmatismos einai apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai apokleistiko pronomio kai h eggrafh ths dhmosias syzhthshs; Kai se kaqe periptwsh ti epikoinwniakh eikona einai ayth, th stigmh poy h kybernhsh brisketai se krish, thn wra poy oi efhmerides exoyn prwtoselido tis skeceis, tis protaseis, ton problhmatismo enos stenoy synergath toy, na bgainei kai dhlwsh poy oysiastika leei oti ola ayta einai logia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den pernaei kamia krish h kybernhsh. To lew, giati milhsate gia krish.

ANTYPAS: Den yparxei krish se ejelijh; Dhladh, ayta poy grafoyn oi efhmerides@;

PRWTOPAPAS: Krish sthn kybernhsh den yfistatai. Htan safeis oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn perasmenh Pempth, kaqws kai h symplhrwmatikh dhlwsh toy, th Deytera.

ANTYPAS: Prwtomagiatika, dhladh, ekane dhlwsh, xwris na yparxei krish.

PRWTOPAPAS: H lejh "krish" einai idiaitera sobarh. Me th dhlwsh toy, thn 1h Maioy, o Prwqypoyrgos den afhse kanena periqwrio gia tetoies logikes kai oyte yparxei krish sthn kybernhsh. Problhmatismoi yparxoyn. Epiqeseis dexetai h kybernhsh. Problhmata anafyontai. Einai allo, omws, ayto kai allo na milhsoyme gia krish. O Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei mia synolikh apanthsh, apo thn perasmenh Pempth, me thn opoia topoqetei ta pragmata sth qesh toys kai exei prodiagracei th synexeia mas. Opws qa prosejete kai apo tis teleytaies dhlwseis twn ypoyrgwn kai stelexwn mas kinoymaste se ayth th bash.

ANTYPAS: Exei allo stelexos to dikaiwma na gracei dhmosia atzenta;

PRWTOPAPAS: H dhmosia atzenta den mporei na kaqorizetai apo thn kybernhsh mono, alla kaqorizetai apo para polla pragmata. Den eimaste se diktatoriko kaqestws, alla se baqia dhmokratiko kaqestws, to opoio exoyme perifroyrhsei kai dieyrynei. Exoyme, omws, dikaiwma na topoqetoymaste panw sthn atzenta kai na leme oti den tima th xwra kai den einai dynato na asxoloymaste me skandalologia kai na mh gyrisoyme sta pragmatika problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra, thn poreia ths kai toys polites ths.

ANTYPAS: Tote, giati o Prwqypoyrgos speydei na "kocei" to dialogo, tis protaseis toy k. Kosmidh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth einai h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ths perasmenhs Deyteras, thn opoia prepei oloi na laboyme poly sobara ypoch kai idiaitera emeis ta melh ths kybernhshs, se sxesh me th doyleia mas. Sxedon oloi krinate th dhlwsh ekeinh kai yparxoyn polla sxetika arqra poy eite symfwnoyn, eite ekfrazoyn diaforetikh apoch, opws ginetai se kaqe dhmokratia.

Exei anoijei enas genikoteros problhmatismos, se sxesh me to politiko systhma mas, ton opoio qewroyme ygih. Dioti, alimono, otan to politiko systhma dexetai pantoiotropws epiqeseis na mhn anazhta kalyteroys tropoys beltiwshs twn leitoyrgiwn toy kai prostasias twn idiwn twn politikwn. Den einai kako na yparxei mia tetoia syzhthsh. Ekeino, omws, poy den prepei na kanoyme einai na parermhneyoyme kai na xrewnoyme tis opoies apoceis yparxoyn. To na ekfrasei apoch ena stelexos, na anaptyjei enan problhmatismo poy exei na kanei me tis proteraiothtes mas se baqos xronoy, gia thn epomenh tetraetia, oyte katadikasteo, oyte arnhtiko einai. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den mporei na to emfanizoyme oti aphxei tis skeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to sygkekrimeno qema h oti proanaggellei apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dioti ayto epixeirhqhke shmera. O idios, loipon, o k. Kosmidhs erxetai kai leei -to eipe kai xqes- oti aytes einai proswpikes moy apoceis, tis exw pei apo to 1995 kai den aforoyn se kamia periptwsh tis opoies apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy o idios exei proanaggeilei, alla ena genikotero makroxrono problhmatismo panw stis mellontikes ejelijeis, enocei kai enos sxediasmoy poy anaptyssetai kai ejelissetai gia to programma mas ths epomenhs tetraetias. Den katalabainw, giati prepei na dhmioyrgeitai mia syzhthsh me alla xarakthristika, posoi ypoyrgoi qa einai ston anasxhmatismo. Kat` arxas, an ginei anasxhmatismos -oydepote exei eipwqei kati tetoio- einai qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios qa apofasisei kai pws qa ton kanei. Den prokeitai na ton epibalei kaneis.

ANTYPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, den enqarrynei thn ekfrash problhmatismoy sto xrono poy menei mexri ton Ioylio; Qewrei, dhladh, oti einai entelws apokleistiko pronomio toy h prwtoboylia toy Ioylioy; Giati, den qa einai monon anasxhmatismos apo o,ti antilambanomaste@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw ean qa ginei anasxhmatismos. Opoios pei oti gnwrizei kanei megalo laqos.

ANTYPAS: Eipe oti qa analabei prwtoboylia gia to politiko systhma. Ayto einai apokleistikh armodiothta toy prwqypoyrgoy kai den enqarrynei to dialogo kai ton problhmatismo twn stelexwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Enocei twn prwtoboyliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to politiko systhma qa yparjoyn sxetikes syzhthseis. Qa ginoyn synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys armodioys ypoyrgoys kai qa yparjoyn oi apofaseis poy qa lhfqoyn apo ton idio. Den qewreitai, gia paradeigma, mia syzhthsh poy afora th domh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy oti exei na kanei me epikeimenes apofaseis. Ta diakriname hdh ayta ta dyo. H xqesinh syzhthsh ston OPEK den aforoyse thn proetoimasia apofasewn poy qa ejaggelqoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Oydepote htan dynato na ginei kati tetoio. Qewrw aytonohto oti oloi to katanooyn. Aforoyse skeceis se baqos xronoy, apoceis, problhmatismoys, ideologikes antilhceis, gia to qema twn metarryqmisewn, thn ennoia ths metarryqmishs kai th sxesh ths me to politiko systhma. Ekei o kaqenas ejefrase tis proswpikes apoceis toy. Den mporoyme, loipon, na ermhneyoyme -kai se ayto to shmeio qelw na kanw th diakrish- tis proswpikes apoceis twn stelexwn, ws proanaggeloyses apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto to laqos den prepei na ginei.

ANTYPAS: Eseis, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, qewreite oti einai protimotero ayth th stigmh na syzhtame to an symfwnei h diafwnei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Kosmidh h na exei afhsei o Prwqypoyrgos na zymwqoyn oi apoceis toy k. Kosmidh sthn ellhnikh koinwnia; Giati oysiastika o Prwqypoyrgos twra tis "kobei" maxairi. Opws blepete asxoloymaste me to an diafwnei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Kosmidh kai oxi me to periexomeno twn protasewn Kosmidh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas antiteinw me th seira moy oti otan yparxoyn ermhneies toy typoy "erxetai anasxhmatismos me dwdeka ypoyrgoys kai ton proanaggellei o Kosmidhs", einai logiko oti qa yparxei sxetikh dhlwsh kai anafora kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Den mporoyme na mhn topoqethqoyme panw se mia logikh poy anaptyxqhke -kai jekaqarizw oti ayth den htan logikh toy k. Kosmidh, se kamia periptwsh- oti edw proanaggelqhke nea kybernhsh, proanaggelqhkan 12 ypoyrgeia kai jafnika aifnidiasthkame me mia proanaggelia. Den yparxei tetoio qema. Den yparxei tetoia periptwsh. Den proanhggeile kati tetoio o k. Kosmidhs, oyte htan ayth h proqesh toy kai to eipe apo xqes. Alla, epeidh egine prospaqeia na parermhneytei h parermhneythke aqela, to jekaqarizoyme, shmera. Ayth thn ennoia exei h topoqethsh mas.

PITTARAS: Epeidh eseis exete th dynatothta na synomileite taktika me to Prwqypoyrgo, edeije na einai anetos me ta osa synebhsan edw sthn Aqhna, enw aytos einai sto ejwteriko, kyriws gia th xronikh stigmh poy ginontai ola ayta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa shmera to prwi me ton Prwqypoyrgo -kai opws katalabainete- exw synennohqei gi ola ayta poy eipa.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Me dedomeno to klima twn hmerwn poy anagkazei kai thn kybernhsh kaqhmerina na ``mazeyei'' to qorybo poy dhmioyrgoyn oi opoies proswpikes apoceis enos ekastoy, antimetwpizei o Prwqypoyrgos to endexomeno na epispeysei th dhmosiopoihsh twn opoiwn prwtoboyliwn protiqetai na labei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O, ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos yparxei sth dhlwsh toy ths Pempths. Epomenws, isxyei h dhlwsh ths Pempths.

TSAKIRHS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh akoysa polles fores na lete th frash ``sxediasmo gia thn epomenh 4etia'', oi apoceis toy k. Kosmidh mporei na apotelesoyn meros gia to sxediasmo toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs gia thn epomenh 4etia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xrhsimopoihsa th lejh ``syneisfora''.

TSAKIRHS: Kai th frash ``sxediasmos'' gia thn epomenh 4etia.

PRWTOPAPAS: ``Sto sxediasmo mas'', eipa. Den einai proswpikh moy apoch. Ennow ton kybernhtiko, politiko sxediasmo. O k. Kosmidhs -ayto fantazomai egw kai ypoqetw, ayto fantazontai oloi- kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs, alla kai o k. Xristodoylakhs syneiseferan se enan genikotero problhmatismo sto xwro toy PASOK, gia toys sxediasmoys, tis ideologikes antilhceis, tis proteraiothtes ths epomenhs 4etias, meta th diekdikhsh, bebaiws, ths laikhs entolhs, sto plaisio genikoterwn allagwn sto kratos, sth dhmosia dioikhshs. Den shmainei oti kaneis yioqetei h aporriptei aytes tis apoceis. Prin syzhthsei kai apofasisei kaneis prepei na exei akoysei kai na exei problhmatistei. Den einai kako na akoys kai na problhmatizesai. Pantote to PASOK protoy katalhjei se apofaseis, eixe thn polyteleia kai th dynatothta -kai to qewrw poly qetiko- na akoyei kai na problhmatizetai, me eleyqerh kai dhmioyrgikh topoqethsh twn stelexwn toy. Den jorkizoyme apoceis. Jerete allwste oti exw akoloyqhsei ayth th stash, edw, se para polles kai dyskoles stigmes. H ennoia ths topoqethshs moy -kai qelw na to katalabete kala- einai ayth: mh qewrhqei oti h opoiadhpote tetoia protash, apoch, idea, syneisfora syndeetai kai proanaggellei prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto einai to shmeio poy hqela na dieykrinisoyme edw, twra. Kai prepei oi apoceis poy ekfrasthkan na mpoyn sthn pragmatikh toys diastash: Qetikh syneisfora ston problhmatismo. Mh dhmioyrghsoyme kynhgi magisswn.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean to monadiko problhma gi aytes tis protaseis toy k. Kosmidh einai to problhma toy xronoy kai ths praktikhs efarmoghs. Me alla logia, rwtw ean o k. Shmiths exei yioqethsei aytes tis protaseis, apla den ginetai twra na yparjei praktikh efarmogh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ligo prin eipa oti kati tetoio den isxyei. Alla, epeidh kati tetoio den isxyei, den shmainei oti qa apagoreyqei se ena stelexos poy exei idees, exei apoceis, exei problhmatismo, na tis ekfrasei. Giati, dhladh, kaqe idea h problhmatismos poy ekporeyetai apo stelexh qa prepei na xrewnetai dejia h aristera kai idiaitera qa prepei na xrewnetai ston Prwqypoyrgo; Den einai swsto ayto. Prepei na dexqoyme oti yparxoyn kai oi apoceis twn stelexwn. Yparxoyn oi proswpikes apoceis toys. Yparxei enas baqys dikos toys problhmatismos. Qa ton apagoreysoyme; Den qa prepei na ekfrastei; Den qa prepei na teqei sthn koinwnia kai na dokimastei; Den qa prepei na anoijei aytos o dialogos, poly prin katalhjoyme; Den prepei na tis xrewnoyme.

BASILOPOYLOS: Moy kanei entypwsh oti syneisferei apo to 1995 o k. Kosmidhs, leei sto PASOK, sthn hgesia toy dhladh, kai to PASOK akomh skeftetai gia to 2004 kai meta, opws lete...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ginei kai polla alla.

BASILOPOYLOS: Einai ektos plaisioy, ektos logikhs gia to sxediasmo twn eklogwn toy 2004, opws lete oti qa ginoyn, oi apoceis epi ths oysias toy k. Kosmidh; Kai ti einai ayto poy apokleiei kapoia apo ayta poy proteinei na ginoyn twra, 1h Ioylioy kai oxi se baqos xronoy, opws lete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, epidiwjh toy idioy toy k. Kosmidh htan na syneisferei sto genikotero problhmatismo kai to sxediasmo ths epomenhs 4etias. Den htan na zhthsei na ginoyn twra. Deyteron, oi perissoteres apo tis protaseis toy proypoqetoyn, syndeontai -opws o idios anagnwrizei- me genikoteres dioikhtikes allages kai tomes sto kratos. Kai ayta qeloyn ligo xrono. Triton, anoije enas dialogos, ston opoio polloi ypoyrgoi exoyn kataqesei tis apoceis toys. Oydeis problhmatisthke h tis synedese me kati allo. Giati qa prepei na apagoreyqei se kapoia alla stelexh, opws o k. Kosmidhs, alla kai alla, na syneisferoyn se ayto ton problhmatismo; Tetarton, giati na speydei o Prwqypoyrgos na aporricei h na yioqethsei kati to opoio akoygetai gia to baqos xronoy kai na mhn krathqoyn ola ayta gia genikotero problhmatismo, prin lhfqoyn oi apofaseis mas; Ena den qeloyme: Na syndeontai me tis opoies epikeimenes apofaseis h na qewrhqei oti einai proaggelos toys. Dioti den einai. Kai ayto jekaqaristhke apo xqes. To jekaqarizoyme kai shmera.

IWANNOY: Ayton ton eksygxronismo poy proanhggeile...

PRWTOPAPAS: O eksygxronismos exei prosxwrhsei para poly sthn Ellada ta teleytaia xronia. Fantazomai oti to exete antilhfqei.

IWANNOY: O eksygxronismos poy proanhggeile o k. Shmiths, ennow apo to 1996, pote qa ginei; Mas lete twra thn epomenh 4etia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exete antilhfqei ti exei ginei apo to 1996 sth xwra;

KARGOYDH: Exw dyo erwthseis: H prwth afora to ejhs: O k. Kosmidhs aytes tis apoceis toy tis exei kataqesei me th morfh eishghshs pros ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap` o,ti katalabainw, edw kai polla xronia. Prin ginei Prwqypoyrgos o k. Shmiths.

KARGOYDH: Kai gi ayto to paketo twn protasewn, h ektimhsh einai oti meros aytwn exei arxisei na efarmozetai, meros aytwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn prosdiorizete me bash tis protaseis toy k. Kosmidh, apokleistika.

KARGOYDH: Allh einai h erwthsh moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi telikes apofaseis lambanoyn ypoch olon ton problhmatismo, poy katatiqetai. Xqes, milhsan kai dyo ypoyrgoi. Ean prosejete tis omilies toys -dioti fantazomai oti den exoyme asxolhqei oloi toso poly- qa breite kai para polles alles apoceis, poy piqanon na apotelesoyn yliko gia na problhmatisteite kai na gracete tis epomenes hmeres. Den einai kako ayto. Arkei na mhn ginetai laqos apodosh. Ean, dhladh, yparxei kritikh h krish h symfwnia h en pash periptwsei problhmatismos gyrw apo apoceis poy katatiqentai apo stelexh toy PASOK gia thn politikh, einai kati apolytws ygies.

KARGOYDH: To katalabame ayto. H deyterh erwthsh moy afora thn eishghsh toy k. Xrysoxoidh. Qelw na rwthsw ean ayth h istorikoy xarakthra -antilambanomai- diapistwsh, oti h Aristera den taytizetai diaxronika me thn proodo kai h Dejia den taytizetai diaxronika me th synthrhsh, ean ayth h istorikoy -epanalambanw- xarakthra diapistwsh, qa tyxei qetikhs apodoxhs apo to komma sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporw na to jerw ayto;

KARGOYDH: Dhladh, mexri twra exete diaforetikh antilhch gia ta pragmata, estw istorikh, sto komma sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynaton na kanw twra ton ayqentiko ermhneyth ths oloklhrwmenhs eishghshs toy k. Xrysoxoidh;

KARGOYDH: Oxi, den einai oloklhrwmenh eishghsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa htan swsto kai qa adikoysa ton k. Xrysoxoidh, ean epixeiroysa na kanw ton ayqentiko ermhneyth twn apocewn toy. Den einai dynaton. O k. Xrysoxoidhs exei to qarros ths gnwmhs toy. Gnwrizete kala oti einai enas politikos me oloklhrwmenes apoceis gyrw apo ola ta megala qemata kai exei to qarros kai kataqetei tis apoceis toy. Den nomizw oti exei anagkh ermhneias. Einai safhs.

TAKHS: Nai, alla erxetai se antiqesh me mia pagia apoch poy yparxei sto PASOK, oti h synthrhsh taytizetai me th N.D., me th dejia en pash periptwsei, enw o k. Xrysoxoidhs shmera mas leei kati allo: Oti ayto den einai aparaithto kai anagkaio. Kai oti oyte aparaithto kai anagkaio einai na taytizetai o eksygxronismos kai h proodeytikothta me thn aristera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy qa kratoysa apo thn topoqethsh toy k. Xrysoxoidh einai oti ofeiloyme na apodeiknyoyme me tis idees, thn politikh kai tis prajeis mas, oti ekfrazoyme thn aristera se kaqe stigmh, me thn ennoia ths proodoy, toy eksygxronismoy kai me thn ennoia ths Dhmokratias.

KARGOYDH: Omws, apo politikh apoch, ean krathsoyme thn apoch toy k. Xrysoxoidh, ayto shmainei oti janagyrizoyme sth grammh sas, twn amfipleyrwn anoigmatwn, twn kentrodejiwn anoigmatwn. Dhladh, einai mia sygkekrimenh proeklogikh strathgikh...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti biazeste.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh milate gia proeklogikh platforma tosh wra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Biazeste. H opoia topoqethsh kai h syzhthsh gia th zwntania enos xwroy, gia th dynatothta toy na apotelei zwntano kyttaro proodoy kai dhmioyrgias, gia th dynatothta toy na paragei sygxrones idees poy antistoixoyn stis shmerines apaithseis twn politwn, den mporei oyte na enoxopoieitai, oyte na katadikazetai. Afhste na anaptyxqei. Den exete katalabei oti yparxei mia anagkaiothta metarryqmisewn kai allagwn, genikotera sto politiko mas systhma, alla kai stis proteraiothtes kai tis politikes olwn twn kommatwn; Loipon, as anoijei ayth h syzhthsh, alla na mhn dinoyme laqos xrewseis kai na mhn tis syndeoyme me sygkekrimenes apofaseis. As thn anoijoyme me thn ideologikh ths kateyqynsh, me to baqos xronoy poy xreiazetai, me ton problhmatismo poy prepei na anaptyxqei kai oxi na thn ermhneysoyme, ws proaggelo apofasewn. Ayth einai h diafora.

PITTARAS: Mhpws sth synomilia poy eixate me ton Prwqypoyrgo qelhse na kanei kapoio sxolio gia to gegonos poy anekyce apo thn apofash mias etaireias na fygei apo thn Ellada gia na kanei ependyseis sto ejwteriko, me apotelesma na meinoyn sto dromo 500 ergazomenoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na jekaqarisw genikws to ejhs se ayth thn ypoqesh. Gnwrizete oti exei kanei poly megales prospaqeies to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai proswpika o ypoyrgos Ergasias Dhmhtrhs Reppas, prokeimenoy na peisei thn etaireia kai na allajei thn apofash ths. Ean to exw antilhfqei kala, den exei kleisei kai h teleytaia piqanothta, para th dyskolh qesh poy oloi briskomaste se ayth thn ypoqesh. Den exoyn ejantlhqei kai oi teleytaies piqanothtes mias epanejetashs ths apofashs ths etaireias, kateyqynsh pros thn opoia ergazetai systhmatika kai ypeyqyna to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai proswpika o k. Reppas. Se kaqe periptwsh ean telika xreiastoyn allhs morfhs parembaseis gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn kai thn epanentajh toys sthn ergasia, na eiste bebaioi, pws, opws exoyme kanei kai sto parelqon, qa prajoyme kai twra. Bebaiws, prepei na anoijei mia genikoterh syzhthsh. Thn eixa kanei kai sto parelqon apo th qesh toy yfypoyrgoy Ergasias kai einai poly shmantikh syzhthsh, gyrw apo to qema twn ejelijewn kai twn allagwn poy synteloyntai meta thn pagkosmiopoihsh, to anoigma twn agorwn kai thn anaptyjh twn geitonikwn xwrwn. Prepei na exoyme kaqara sto myalo mas, thn anagkh na kataktoyme kai na dhmioyrgoyme ta dika mas sygkritika pleonekthmata, th dikh mas antagwnistikothta. Giati ayth qa einai h makroproqesmh kai staqerh apanthsh mas sta problhmata apo to anoigma twn agorwn poy dhmioyrgei h pagkosmiopoihsh. Apo kei kai pera qa hqela na epishmanw -kai ayto den einai twrino fainomeno- oti h N.D sth xqesinh anakoinwsh ths, gia paradeigma, ekane ena xontro laqos. H PIRELI den efyge apo thn Patra, epi kybernhsewn PASOK. Ean qymamai kala, giati exw zhsei aytes tis istories, eixe fygei epi kybernhsews Mhtsotakh. Xronika to prosdiorizw. Kai emeis den eipame oti eftaige h kybernhsh ths N.D. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti einai mia epanalambanomenh istoria, poy apaitei sygkrothmenh strathgikh thn opoia exoyme prowqhsei, alla kai mia sygkekrimenh syzhthsh, gia th dhmioyrgia twn dikwn mas antagwnistikwn pleonekthmatwn. Kai se ayto exoyme dwsei idiaitero baros. Den to lew twra. Einai mia istoria poy ejelissetai. Kai oi politikes mas yparxoyn kai ejelissontai.

ANTYPAS: Na sas epanaferw sto prwto qema ths syzhthshs. Eipate oti o k. Kosmidhs anoije enan kyklo problhmatismoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa o k. Kosmidhs. Eipa oti aytos o kyklos yparxei.

ANTYPAS: ...Symmeteixe se ena kyklo problhmatismoy. Mhpws aytos o kyklos problhmatismoy synexisthke kai me thlefwnhmata ypoyrgwn apo thn Aqhna sth Barsobia kai gi ayto to logo bghke ayth h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw, alla den nomizw pws mporei na pei kaneis oti o Prwqypoyrgos den exei apoch. Opws jerete, exei plhroforhsh, synomilei, exei th dikh toy apoch, pairnei tis dikes toy apofaseis.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Exete kapoio sxolio gia to shmerino dhmosieyma ths ``AYRIANHS'', poy anaferetai dia ths plagias...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean einai dynaton;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Protrecate thn idiaitera sas na probei se kapoies dieykrinistikes dhlwseis, gia na mhn yparxoyn skies gia to proswpo sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na kanw kamia anafora sto dhmosieyma. Yparxei anakoinwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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