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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Thn Kyriakh kai th Deytera qa pragmatopoihqei sthn Kerkyra to Eyrwpaiko Synedrio, poy diorganwnei to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai MME, sto plaisio ths Proedria ths E.E., ston tomea twn optikoakoystikwn, me qema th diafhmish kai thn isorropia metajy toy koinwnikoy roloy twn MME kai ths biwsimothtas toys mesw ths emporikhs diafhmishs. Einai ena idiaitera epikairo zhthma. Exei teqei kai ws erwthma gia thn anaqewrhsh ths odhgias ``thleorash xwris synora'' apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Apasxolhse to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn, poy synhlqe prin apo liges hmeres, stis Bryjelles. Qa apasxolhsei kai to Atypo Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Politismoy kai Optikoakoystikwn, poy qa synelqei sth Qessalonikh, sto telos toy mhna. Ara, to synedrio ayto qa symbalei me ton problhmatismo poy qa anaptyxqei se ena idiaitera krisimo zhthma: Poia einai ta oria kai poies oi isorropies, metajy ths anagkhs twn Meswn na exoyn esoda, alla kai ths epiteleshs toy koinwnikoy roloy toys kai bebaia poios einai o rolos ths diafhmishs kai twn sygxronwn texnologiwn diafhmishs se ayta.

Epomenws, h politikh enhmerwsh, th Deytera (12.05.2003) qa ginei apo emena sthn Kerkyra, stis 12 to meshmeri.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Ayth h dhlwsh poy ekane o proedros toy SEB oti meta thn Olympiada kai ta megala erga qa diplasiastei h anergia sthn Ellada, anhsyxei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H problech ayth den einai swsth, kata th gnwmh moy. Kai den einai swsth, dioti den lambanei ypoch kati: Den lambanei ypoch oti ta megala erga den einai mono h kataskeyh, ws aytoteles gegonos. Megala erga shmainei kainoyrgies ypodomes. Kai kainoyrgies ypodomes shmainei nees dynatothtes gia thn anaptyjh mias perioxhs. Nees dynatothtes gia perissotero toyrismo, gia nees ependyseis, gia nees biomhxanies, gia tonwsh toy emporioy, gia nees doyleies. Ayto shmainei oti oi ypodomes poy dhmioyrgoyntai ayth th stigmh sthn Ellada kai allazoyn th morfh ths xwras, dhmioyrgoyn kai nees eykairies, dhmioyrgoyn nea dedomena gia ependyseis kai gia qeseis ergasias se olh thn Ellada. Ayto prepei na to ekmetalleytoyme. Kinhtra qa yparxoyn mesw toy G` KPS, gi ayta ta xronia. Hdh, to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs proxwra, opws gnwrizete, sthn ejaggelia ylopoihshs twn programmatwn toy kai gia tis epixeirhseis ychlhs texnologias, alla kai gia tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis. Skopos einai na ekmetalleytoyme ayta ta kinhtra. Oi ypodomes dhmioyrgoyn dynatothtes. Ta kinhtra enisxyoyn tis dynatothtes. Apo kei kai pera, kai o dhmosios, (alla oxi kyriws aytos), alla kai (kyriws malista) o idiwtikos tomeas, h mikromesaia epixeirhsh, kaleitai na symbalei, ajiopoiwntas ayta ta kinhtra sthn anaptyjh ths xwras kai th dhmioyrgia megalyterhs apasxolhshs. Emeis prosferoyme tis eykairies. O rolos toy idiwtikoy tomea sthn Ellada einai na tis ajiopoihsei kai parallhla me th dikh toy anodo, na dhmioyrghsei kai qeseis ergasias, na dhmioyrghsei apasxolhsh. Ayto mas kaqista poly perissotero aisiodojoys.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: O k. Kyriakopoylos, omws, ekane dyo sygkekrimenes parathrhseis: Oti h agora ergasias sthn Ellada den einai eyelikth h toylaxiston se ikanopoihtiko baqmo kai oti to ependytiko topio sth xwra mas den einai elkystiko gia jenoys ependytes. Ep aytoy ti leei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ependytiko topio sth xwra mas einai elkystiko gia jenoys ependytes, dioti prosferei idiaitera ayjhmena kinhtra, alla kai dioti allazoyn oles oi ypodomes, eksygxronizontai. H Ellada allazei, proxwra mprosta. Yphrxan kapoia problhmata me th grafeiokratia. Gnwrizete oti antimetwpizontai. Ola ta ypoyrgeia exoyn katabalei shmantikes prospaqeies me th syntonistikh kateyqynsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs. Gnwrizete oti ylopoioyntai ola ta programmata toy G` KPS. Exoyme koinwnikh omalothta sthn Ellada. Den exoyme megales ergasiakes sygkroyseis kai ojynseis. Yparxei ena lymeno asfalistiko, yparxoyn ergasiakoi nomoi poy parexoyn ryqmiseis sygxrones kai eyeliktes se oloys toys tomeis. H Ellada exei staqero politiko systhma. Prosferetai, loipon, kat` ejoxhn kai gia jenes, alla kai gia eswterikes ependyseis. Pisteyw oti ayto poy prepei na kanoyme einai na enwsoyme tis dynameis mas oloi (kai ta politika kommata kai oi shmantikoi koinwnikoi foreis, opws o SEB) kai na proxwrhsoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Bebaiws, kaqe fora, to nomoqetiko plaisio prepei na antistoixeitai stis prosarmoges poy h idia h zwh dhmioyrgei. Alla, exoyme ena sygxrono ergasiako plaisio sthn Ellada. To ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai proswpika o k. Reppas, kaqe fora, lambanei ta metra, mesa apo ena entono kai endelexh koinwniko dialogo, wste na kanei oles tis anagkaies kinhseis, poy xreiazontai gia thn prosarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy. Den xreiazetai na to dramatopoioyme. Yparxei anoixth sxesh metajy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, SEB kai GSEE kai twn allwn koinwnikwn organwsewn, poy monima ejetazoyn, syzhtoyn ola ta zhthmata poy syndeontai me to ergasiako plaisio. Opoy xreiazetai na ginoyn, na eiste bebaioi oti o koinwnikos dialogos qa exei th dikh toy apodosh.

ANTYPAS: Den einai h prwth fora poy o SEB askei kritikh oysiastika stis epiloges ths kybernhshs. Skeftetai h kybernhsh apo th dikh ths pleyra, dedomenoy oti, ap oso gnwrizw egw, den einai ikanopoihmenh kai apo thn ependytikh drasthriothta twn Ellhnwn idiwtwn, na dienerghsei ereyna, na dei pws ajiopoihsan oi Ellhnes epixeirhmaties ta kondylia toy B` kai toy G` KPS, poy toys diateqhkan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto prepei na ginetai ypoxrewtika, pleon, me bash toys kanonismoys sto G` KPS. Opws gnwrizete, to G` KPS exei entones diadikasies elegxoy, tetoies poy den yphrxan kaqoloy sto A` KPS kai monon en merei eixan yparjei sto B` KPS. Sto G` KPS ta pragmata exoyn allajei. Yparxoyn diadikasies elegxoy poly aysthres. Orismenoi malista eixan kathgorhsei thn kybernhsh gi aytes tis diadikasies, alla twra apodeiknyetai h xrhsimothta toys. Ara, oi diadikasies aytes qa prowqhqoyn, oytws h allws. Kai den prepei na tis syndeoyme, ws apanthsh h ws politikh kinhsh ths kybernhshs. Problepetai staqera, mesa apo qesmikes diadikasies, o elegxos. Qa ginei oytws h allws, dhladh. Qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto: Emeis den qeloyme antipalothta me tis megales koinwnikes organwseis h me tis megales organwseis toy paragwgikoy xwroy. Qeloyme ton anoikto dialogo, thn anoixth synergasia kai me th GSEE kai me to SEB kai me tis alles organwseis twn ergodotwn. Kai ayto giati pisteyoyme sthn anagkh ayths ths synergasias, gia na ekmetalleyqei h xwra tis eykairies, poy anoigontai sthn oikonomia. Mporei na mhn tis exoyme ekmetalleyqei mexri twra oso prepei. Yparxei, omws, h dynatothta na ginei. Yparxei h dynatothta telika na doyme oti aytes oi ypodomes poy dhmioyrgoyntai den einai apla kapoioi dromoi h kapoies gefyres h kapoies dynatothtes. Allazontas th morfh ths xwras kai diathrwntas to klima ergasiakhs omalothtas poy yparxei, prosferontai eykairies gia megalyterh anaptyjh gia perissoteres qeseis ergasias. Pisteyw oti einai prwtofanes gia eyrwpaikh xwra. Exontas lysei to asfalistiko, exontas ta kinhtra sta xeria mas, mesa apo to G` KPS, dhmioyrgwntas, mesw toy dialogoy, oles tis prosarmoges mesa apo thn agora ergasias, aytonoma, apo toys koinwnikoys etairoys, qa mporesoyme na ajiopoihsoyme aytes tis dynatothtes, na dhmioyrghsoyme th dikh mas antagwnistikothta kai fysika na lysoyme qetika ta problhmata ths apasxolhshs. Mhn blepoyme statika, ti qa ginei meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Oi Olympiakoi Agwnes den einai mono to dekapenqhmero twn agwnwn. Einai kai ayto poy qa afhsoyn pisw: h eikona ths Elladas, oi dynatothtes ths Elladas. Kai ayto oi koinwnikes organwseis prepei na to ekmetalleyqoyn.

MIXAHL: Exw dyo erwthseis gia diaforetika zhthmata. H mia afora akribws sto qema poy syzhtoyme kai qelw na sas rwthsw an h kybernhsh skeftetai na proxwrhsei se metra-kinhtra forologikwn dieykolynsewn h epidothsewn, me ena neo anaptyjiako nomo h otidhpote poy qa dwsei th dynatothta kai stoys epixeirhmaties na mpoyn se ayth th logikh poy eseis perigracate twra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto, giati epaneilhmmenws exei anaferqei o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, oti qa allajei o anaptyjiakos nomos, wste na ginei pio sygxronos, pio eyeliktos, pio apotelesmatikos. Yparxoyn kinhtra. To zhthma einai pws ajiopoioyntai ayta ta kinhtra. Ara, apotelesmatikothta apo to kratos, swsth ajiopoihsh, swsth diaxeirish kai elegxos apo toys epixeirhmaties.

MIXAHL: Epeidh diabasa shmera kapoia reportaz sxetika me tis dhlwseis toy k. Kosmidh kai tis dhlwseis poy eginan apo ton k. Xythrh, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean o k. Kosmidhs apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoiosdhpote brisketai sth qesh poy brisketai, sthn opoia ton diorise o Prwqypoyrgos, shmainei oti apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy. Ayto einai pagia apanthsh moy. Otan kapoios synexizei to leitoyrghma toy kai thn prosfora toy sth qesh poy ton diorise o Prwqypoyrgos, shmainei oti apolambanei plhrws ths empistosynhs toy.

POYLIDOY: Anarwtiemai an gnwrizete ti dhlwse sta katexomena o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos Tagip Erntogan kai an exete kapoio sxolio gia tis dhlwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ginei molis twra. Qa exoyme to plhres periexomeno toys, qa synennohqoyme me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, qa tis analysoyme kai sth synexeia qa topoqethqoyme, efoson xreiazetai.

BITALHS: O k. Erntogan mila gia thn anagkaiothta dyo xwristwn kratwn sthn Kypro kai yposthrizei oti h lysh toy Kypriakoy prepei n' anagnwrizei ayth thn anagkaiothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn Kypro yparxei anagkaiothta gia eniaio Kratos, mia eniaia Kypro. Ayto einai to symferon twn idiwn twn Koinothtwn, ayto apaitei oloklhrh h Dieqnhs Koinothta mesa apo tis apofaseis toy OHE. Kai apo th qesh ayth den prokeitai na apostoyme, den prokeitai na ypoxwrhsoyme. Qa synexisoyme mazi me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia se plhrhs synennohsh na paleyoyme gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. As to katalaboyn oloi kala. As katalabei h Toyrkia oti o dikos ths dromos pros thn Dieqnh Koinothta kai eidika pros thn E.E. perna mono mesa apo thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy.

TAKHS: Toso apo tis xqesines plhrofories mesw toy reportaz, oso kai apo thn ermhneia poy doqhke sth dhlwsh toy k. Xythrh, yphrje -opws anaferoyn oi plhrofories- entonh enoxlhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Kosmidh, oi opoies - opws anaferei to reportaz - eginan en agnoia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Yparxei ontws ayth h enoxlhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gia ton Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixame xqes thn eykairia na kanoyme edw mia analytikh syzhthsh. Skopos twn dhlwsewn poy eginan xqes, gi' ayto allwste yphrje kai parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo thn Barsobia, htan enas kai monadikos. Na jekaqaristei, na dieykrinistei oti h omilia toy k. Kosmidh, oi qeseis poy aneptyje o k. Kosmidhs den proanhggeilan kati apo tis epikeimenes, opoies ki an einai aytes, apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Aytos htan o skopos kai tipota perissotero. Exoyme tonisei apo xqes -kai to epanalambanw- oti oi qeseis toy k. Kosmidh einai stoixeio ston problhmatismo poy yparxei kai ejelissetai sto PASOK gia ton genikotero eksygxronismo toy politikoy mas systhmatos kai mporei na ajiopoihqoyn, kai na ajiopoihqoyn qetika kapoies apo aytes, sto dialogo gia to programma ths epomenhs tetraetias.

TAKHS: Allo rwthsa. Rwthsa an o k. Shmiths enoxlhqhke apo tis qeseis aytes kai th dhmosia diatypwsh toys apo ton k. Kosmidh. Den rwthsa an einai dikes toy h oxi.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos hqele apla - tipota perissotero kai tipota ligotero - na jekaqaristei oti oi gnwstes apoceis toy k. Kosmidh einai proswpikes kai den proanaggelloyn kati apo tis opoies apofaseis qelei na parei sto ameso mellon. Apo kei pera apoteloyn stoixeio problhmatismoy gia thn epomenh tetraetia.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na epanelqw sta sxolia sas gia tis apoceis toy SEB. H kybernhsh pws ektima diapistwseis epixeirhmatiwn oti to ergatiko dynamiko sthn Ellada einai akribo kai asymforo gia epixeirhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: An kapoios epixeirhmatias ektima oti oi misqoi sthn Ellada mporei na ginoyn misqoi kapoias asiatikhs xwras h akomh kai kapoias xwras toy tews anatolikoy mplok, poy einai poly xamhloteroi, h apanthsh mas einai oti ayto den mporei na ginei. To protypo ergasias sthn Ellada prepei na beltiwnetai kai oxi na meiwnetai. Kai shmera einai eparkws ryqmismeno. Yparxoyn ajioprepeis apodoxes, oi opoies ryqmizontai mesa apo syllogikes symbaseis, poy ypografontai me aytonomes diapragmateyseis metajy ergodotwn kai ergazomenwn. Exoyme sygxrones ergasiakes sxeseis. Exoyme ena protypo ergasias ryqmismeno kai enan anoikto koinwniko dialogo, me kalh qelhsh, toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, me toys dyo koinwnikoys etairoys, wste na ginontai, kaqe fora, oi anagkaies prosarmoges mesa apo synainesh kai symporeysh. Epomenws, an h apanthsh einai meiwste toys misqoys gia na ginete pio antagwnistikoi, emeis apantoyme "oxi". Exoyme diaforetiko koinwniko protypo sthn Ellada kai qa to diathrhsoyme kai qa to dieyrynoyme. An h apanthsh einai oti prepei na dieyrynoyme thn antagwnistikothta mas kai na mpoyme epiqetika sthn eniaia eyrwpaikh agora, alla kai sthn pagkosmia agora, apantoyme "nai". Ayto epixeiroyme na kanoyme me tis ypodomes, ta programmata antagwnistikothtas, thn ergasiakh omalothta, thn epilysh twn allwn problhmatwn, thn perissoterh synergasia kai doyleia poy xreiazetai ston tomea ayto. Den mporoyme monimws na phgainoyme me metra prostasias, me epidothseis. Oi epidothseis ginontai gia th metabatikh periodo, gia thn katakthsh ths antagwnistikothtas. Prepei na mporoyme me th synergasia mas na "kolymphsoyme" oloi mazi sta baqia. Na koitajoyme toys alloys sta matia -opws hdh exoyme th dynatothta- kai na poyme oti oi epixeirhseis kai ta proionta mas, sthrigmena panta sto eyrwpaiko koinwniko protypo, sthn ychlh poiothta kai thn antagwnistikothta, mporoyn na kyriarxhsoyn, na einai antagwnistika sthn eniaia agora. Den qa pame, omws, sth lysh ths kaqhlwshs toy biotikoy epipedoy. Den einai ayth h Eyrwph poy oneireyomaste. Kai ayto exei jekaqaristei kai apo tis apofaseis ths Lissabonas.

BITALHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema twn hmerwn poy proekyce apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Kosmidh sthn ekdhlwsh toy OPEK. Dieykrinisthke kai me ayta poy eipate eseis kai apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Xythrh oti htan proswpikes oi apoceis poy ejefrase o k. Kosmidhs. Proswpikes htan kai oi apoceis poy ejefrase kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete o k. Xrysoxoidhs epaneilhmmena exei diakhryjei aytes tis apoceis kai exei to qarros ths apochs toy. To PASOK den einai oyte loxos, oyte mia kleisth organwsh, h opoia synedriazei nykta makria apo to lao kai thn koinwnia. Einai ena komma anoikto sthn koinwnia poy dexetai oloys toys problhmatismoys kai ta reymata poy yparxoyn sthn koinwnia, ephreazetai kai antapokrinetai se ayta, dinei tis dikes toy apanthseis, diamorfwnei th dikh toy ideologia, th dikh toy politikh grammh, th strathgikh toy apenanti stis ejelijeis, poy apaitei h koinwnia. Den mporei na eimaste olh sthn idia akribws kateyqynsh prin koybentiasoyme. Gi` ayto, prepei na metaferoyme aytoys toys problhmatismoys, na toys anaptyssoyme kai na toys koybentiazoyme. Kapoia stigmh symfwnoyme kai kanoyme prajh ayta poy symfwnhsame. Einai safes oti ayth th stigmh briskomaste mprosta sto anoigma enos dialogoy, poy exei orizonta to telos ths epomenhs tetraetias, thn prooptikh mas, th strathgikh mas gia ta nea dedomena poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei shmera se mia nea Eyrwph poy exei allajei kai exei diaforetikes apaithseis kai se mia Ellada poy agwnizetai na prosarmostei se ayto. Otan yparxoyn ayta, qa yparxoyn kai diafores apocewn kai den prepei na tis jorkizoyme, prepei na tis ajiopoioyme.

BITALHS: Gia na ginw pio sygkekrimenos: O k. Kosmidhs ypoqetw oti einai melos toy PASOK. Giati, loipon, xreiasthkan dieykriniseis toy k. Xythrh kai, dikes sas, oti aytes einai proswpikes apoceis kai kati tetoio den xreiasthke gia ton k. Xrysoxoidh, poy ejefrase kapoies poly rizospastikes apoceis, oi opoies sto parelqon eixan enoxlhsei eswterika to PASOK gia ton a@h b@logo. Gia ton k. Kosmidh jespaei ayth h kritikh kai aytos o salos. To erwthma einai: Mhpws diamartyrhqhkan kapoioi eidika ston Prwqypoyrgo h ton k. Xythrh poy ton synodeye kai ek twn ysterwn anagkasthke na ginei olh ayth h parembash gia to qema toy k. Kosmidh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai symfwnhsame, opws symfwnhsame kai me ton k. Kosmidh, oti qa dwsoyme thn anagkaia dieykrinish, dioti stis analyseis eixan yparjei parermhneies oti o k. Kosmidhs proanaggellei apofaseis. Ara, me symfwnh gnwmh kai tis odhgies toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai th symfwnh gnwmh toy k. Kosmidh, jekaqarisame oti kati tetoio den symbainei. Na mhn yparxei, dhladh, sygxysh, giati den proanaggellontai apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Prokeitai gia symbolh toy k. Kosmidh me proswpikes apoceis toy sto genikotero dialogo gia thn epomenh tetraetia. Me thn eykairia ayth epitrecte moy na pw oti eixe ginei kai palaiotera "salos", isws mikroterhs ektashs, gia apoceis kai allwn stelexwn. Qa ta synhqisoyme ayta. Apoceis qa akoygontai. Idiaitera otan einai ideologikes apoceis, einai kalodexoymenes. Otan einai apoceis gia to mellon, gia zhthmata ideologias, strathgikhs kai politikhs, gia to deon genesqai, qa yparxoyn, qa ekfrazontai kai prepei na maqoyme na tis ajiopoioyme kai oxi na tis jorkizoyme. Bebaiws, den prepei na sygxeontai me thn kaqhmerinothta, th leitoyrgia mas h me epikeimenes apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto den qa einai swsto.

BITALHS: Ayto poy fainetai oti problhmatizei, koitwntas kai ton apohxo aytwn twn dhlwsewn, polla stelexh sas, kybernhtika kai kommatika, einai to gegonos oti anoigei enas tetoios problhmatismos poly endiaferon kai aytos o problhmatismos den anoigei mesa sto komma. Ginetai se enan omilo, o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me to qesmo poy legetai komma, PASOK, poy qa mporoysan na katateqoyn ekei kapoioy tetoioy typoy apoceis. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: O rolos moy den einai na krinw tis diadikasies toy kommatos.

BITALHS: Se ayto emplekontai dyo ypoyrgoi kai o Grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Einai mia kybernhtikh drasthriothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai kako mesa se enan omilo problhmatismoy na ekfrasoyn ton problhmatismo toys. Gi` ayto einai kai omilos problhmatismoy, ejalloy. Apo ekei kai pera, einai profanes oti kai mesa sto komma qa anaptyjoyn ton problhmatismo toys, otan qa ginoyn oi sxetikes diadikasies.

ZOYLAS: Sas exw akoysei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa na egkaleite thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, oti epixeirei aney stoixeiwn th sykofantia ths kybernhshs gia to qema ths diafqoras ths diaplokhs. Kai thn kaleitai kaqe fora poy exei kapoia stoixeia na ta kataqesei sth Dikaiosynh. Xqes to brady se thleoptikh ekpomph sas akoysa na lete -dyo fores malista- na diapistwnete, na paradexeste oti yparxoyn kapoies mikres esties diaplokhs. Qa hqela na moy peite ti ennooysate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa diaplokhs, diafqoras eipa. To exw pei polles fores kai edw oti yparxoyn kapoioi xwroi ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea, stoys opoioys symfwna me kataggelies poy ginontai h endeijeis piqano na yparxoyn esties diafqoras. Gia to logo ayto, stelnoyme oles tis symbaseis toy Dhmosioy sto Elegktiko Synedrio kai gi` ayto idrysame to Swma Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Gia paradeigma, an den akoygame apo polloys polites na lene "koitajte ti ginetai me thn a@ h b@ yphresia", den qa idryame to Swma Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Ayto sygkrothqhke, prokeimenoy na cajei kai na brei aytoys toys ligoys dhmosioys ypallhloys, oi opoioi qeloyn to legomeno "fakelaki" gia na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei mia genikoterh syzhthsh peri diafqoras. Emeis eimaste yper ths entimothtas kai diafaneias pantoy. Den exoyme tipota na krycoyme kai tipota na fobhqoyme. Ayto poy jekaqarizoyme kai pros th N. D. -kai xairw dioti moy dinete ayth thn eykairia- einai toyto: Se otidhpote yparxei h dynatothta na syzhthsoyme -kai oxi mono me th N.D., alla kai me ta kommata ths Aristeras- prokeimenoy, mesa sth Boylh, na dhmioyrghqei h aparaithth synantilhch, gia na laboyme prosqeta metra, wste o politikos kosmos na peiqei kai ton teleytaio polith ayths ths xwras, oti einai plhrws entimos kai diafanhs, eimaste etoimoi na to kanoyme. Nai se ayth th syzhthsh. Nai se ayto to dialogo. Nai sth dynatothta na yparxoyn symfwnies, anamesa sta politika kommata, prokeimenoy na enisxyoyme, na qwrakizoyme to qesmiko plaisio leitoyrgias ths dhmokratias mas kai na dieyrynoyme thn poiothta ths. Xqes, gia paradeigma, h N.D. efere merikes protaseis. Emeis den qa speysoyme na jorkisoyme tipota. Qelw na pw, omws, oti h kaqe protash poy ginetai prepei na ginetai me syneidhsh kai ths apotelesmatikothtas ths, alla kai oti xreiazetai h anagkaia synergasia kai syzhthsh. An peis oti aytes einai oi apoceis moy kai an qeleis tis chfizeis h tis katachfizeis einai laqos. Sto qema toy "poqen esxes" exoyme pei (kai o k. Skandalidhs to exei jekaqarisei) oti qa ferei nees protaseis sth Boylh. Otan, loipon, erqoyn oi protaseis toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn kai afoy tis egkrinei h kybernhsh qa yparjei h dynatothta dialogoy kai syzhthshs kai me th N.D. kai me ta alla politika kommata. Kai qa xaroyme idiaitera ean yparjei symfwnia sto qema ayto gia ena "poqen esxes" poy qa prostateyei emas toys politikoys, se telikh analysh, apo tis opoiesdhpote xydaies epiqeseis, giati aytos einai o skopos: Emeis na mporoyme na apodeijoyme ana pasa stigmh ston aplo polith oti eimaste apolyta entimoi kai oi drasthriothtes mas na einai diafaneis, xwris na mporei kanenas na rijei skia, pragma poy shmera mporei. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, yparxoyn kai kapoies alles apoceis ths N.D. gia tis opoies mas dhmioyrgoyntai orismena erwthmata. Kai anaferomai sto qema toy legomenoy basikoy metoxoy, idiaitera se ayth thn istoria me ta pososta, thn opoia qewrw idiaitera atyxh. Den mporei th stigmh poy fernei h N.D. mia protash na meiwqoyn ta pososta apo 5 se 1% kai o k. Trakatelhs na erxetai sto Eyrwkoinoboylio kai na kanei erwthsh, zhtwntas oysiastika emmesws plhn safws na arqoyn oloi oi periorismoi kai na mporei kaqenas eleyqera -eite einai promhqeyths toy Dhmosioy, eite oxi- na kanei tis ependyseis toy. As mas pei h N.D. qelei aysthropoihsh -kata th gnwmh moy yperbolikh kai xwris logo poy mporei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sthn agora- h qelei plhrh apeleyqerwsh, opws leei o k. Trakatelhs kai prokalei tetoies parembaseis ths E.E.. Prepei na eimaste sobaroi kai na mhn yparxei ypokrisia sth drash mas, th logikh mas. Ta qemata ths diafaneias kai ths entimothtas den prosferontai gia mikrokommatikh ekmetalleysh. Kai emeis eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme kai me th N.D. kai me ta alla kommata kai gia to "poqen esxes" kai gia alla metra poy mporei na symbaloyn se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Epi ths oysias pws krinei h kybernhsh th sygkekrimenh epishmh protash ths N.D., poy katateqhke xqes sth Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis, den qeloyme oyte na jorkizoyme, oyte na mpoyme se mia logikh mias synolikhs protashs poy exei polla kai diafora shmeia. Gia paradeigma, gia to qema toy "poqen esxes" eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme me th N.D., kapoia stigmh poy o k. Skandalidhs qa oloklhrwsei thn epejergasia poy kanei kai qa exei th sxetikh egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs. An kapoies protaseis ths N.D. einai qetikes giati na mhn tis ajiopoihsoyme. Ara, se ena kommati apo ayta poy anefere xqes einai kaqaro oti yparxei analogos problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh kai eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme. Sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy, omws -mia allh protash, gia paradeigma- prepei na jekaqarisoyme kapoia pragmata: Poia einai h anagkaiothta na allajoyme to pososto, to elaxisto ayto 5%, to opoio einai pragmatika para poly mikro gia na apokaleisai basikos metoxos kai den nomizw oti einai ayto poy exei dhmioyrghsei problhmata, prepei akoma na peistoyme kai gia tis pragmatikes proqeseis ths N.D., h opoia ofeilei na "mazecei" toys eyrwboyleytes ths se ayth thn periptwsh.

H N.D. kateqese mia protash. Ayth th stigmh den qelw na staqw, oyte sto synolo ths, se ola ta shmeia ths, legontas "oxi", oyte omws mporoyme na dexqoyme kapoia shmeia gia ta opoia den peiqei. To swsto einai na doyme ta pragmatika problhmata. An gia to "poqen esxes" yparxei problhma kai emeis leme oti yparxei, qa ginei dialogos me to armodio ypoyrgeio kai na katalhjoyme oloi mazi. An gia kapoia alla problhmata yparxei zhthma -giati menei na apodeixqei- na ginei syzhthsh. Alla, prepei na jekaqarisoyme oti exoyme pragmatikes kai eilikrineis proqeseis kai oti den xrhsimopoioyme parembaseis ston tomea ths diafaneias kai ths entimothtas gia mikrokommatiko ofelos h entypwseis. Giati, an perasei h idea oti oi opoies parembaseis ginontai gia mikrokommatiko ofelos kai entypwseis, tote qa exoyme xasei to paixnidi kai den qa exoyme prosferei swsth yphresia se ayto poy pame na kanoyme.

PEGKOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia th dhmosia systash toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias pros toys jenodoxoys na mh dexontai elafra th kardia toyristes apo xwres poy antimetwpizoyn problhma me thn "atyph pneymonia", dhladh rixnei to "mpalaki" stoys jenodoxoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ygeias ofeilei na epishmanei oti yparxoyn orismenes xwres poy antimetwpizoyn idiaitera problhmata me th sygkekrimenh asqeneia kai oti xreiazetai idiaiterh prosoxh. Exei thn ennoia ths egrhgorshs kai ths prosoxhs se ayta ta zhthmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabatokyriako.

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