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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Martioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me qema tis ejelijeis sthn oikonomia. Qa yparjei enhmerwsh twn synadelfwn sas apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Qa sas enhmerwsw gia thn eisagwgikh parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios milhse gia to Kypriako, thn oikonomia, kaqws kai gia orismena shmeia apo to kleisimo ths omilias toy, meta apo to dialogo poy egine.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke stis teleytaies ejelijeis sto Kypriako kai ypogrammise: "Oi ejelijeis sto Kypriako einai oi pio shmantikes apo oses antimetwpisame edw kai polla xronia. H prospaqeia toy G.G. toy OHE sth Xagh dystyxws den telesforhse. Htan mia sygkrothmenh apopeira toy Organismoy, me thn yposthrijh olwn twn isxyrwn paragontwn ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Prosekroyse, omws, sth gnwsth parelkystikh taktikh kai, se teleytaia analysh, sthn adiallajia toy k. Ntenktas, synepikoyroymenoy apo thn apasxoloymenh me thn krish toy Irak Agkyra. H nea toyrkikh kybernhsh, exei bebaiws paysei thn epiqetikh rhtorikh twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, alla den deixnei, pros to paron, diaqesh na metakinhqei apo tis pagies qeseis ths.

H stash ths ellhnokypriakhs pleyras htan, opws pantote, epoikodomhtikh, gegonos poy exei anagnwristei apo oloys. H eyqynh ths toyrkokypriakhs pleyras einai jekaqarh ston kaqena. Ayto, pisteyw, qa apotypwqei kai sthn epishmh ekqesh toy diapragmateyth twn H.E. k. Albaro nte Soto kai qa exei synepeies, toso gia thn hgesia ths toyrkokypriakhs koinothtas, oso kai gia thn idia thn Toyrkia.

Ayto fanhke hdh apo tis topoqethseis ths Epitrophs gia thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias, kaqws kai apo tis prwtes antidraseis ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn tritwn xwrwn.

H entajh ths Kyproy qa ginei xwris kamia kaqysterhsh kai xwris kanena problhma. H Ellada kai h Kypros htan, se olh th diarkeia twn diapragmateysewn, peistikes stis topoqethseis toys. Den mporei kaneis na antlhsei epixeirhmata apo th stash toys kai na enantiwqei sthn entajh. H ejelijh ayth epibebaiwnei, gia mia akomh fora, thn orqothta ths proseggishs mas. Den xreiazetai epiqetikh stash apenanti sthn Toyrkia gia na broyme to dikio mas. Oyte oson afora thn entajh, oyte oson afora th lysh toy politikoy problhmatos. H symmetoxh ths megalonhsoy sthn Enwsh qa einai sto ejhs o basikoteros moxlos pieshs gia th lysh toy politikoy problhmatos.

Qa prepei na ginei safes pros oloys oti h shmerinh taktikh kai oi stoxoi ths allhs pleyras den prokeitai pote na ginoyn dektoi. Ean o k. Ntenktas kai orismenoi sthn Agkyra nomizoyn oti qa nomimopoihsoyn me synexeis nees kai aparadektes apaithseis ta tetelesmena ths eisbolhs toy 1974, ean nomizoyn oti o xronos doyleyei pros ofelos toys, tote planwntai. Qa epanalabw oti logw toy Elsinki, o xronos doyleyei yper ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, yper toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, ths epanenwshs toy nhsioy, yper ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs kai kata toy eqnikismoy, Oi ekdhlwseis sthn toyrkokypriakh pleyra yper ths lyshs apodeiknyoyn ayta poy yposthrizoyme.

Me bash ta osa proanefera, qa ypogrammisw oti to Kypriako paramenei anoikto para thn apotyxia ths prospaqeias toy k. Anan. Xwris th biwsimh, leitoyrgikh kai entos toy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy lysh toy, den yparxei eyrwpaikh prooptikh gia thn Toyrkia. Xwris th lysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos, den yparxei eyrwpaikh prooptikh gia thn Toyrkia.

H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa ypenqymizei empraktws, me kaqe eykairia kai pros kaqe kateyqynsh, oti xwris lysh toy Kypriakoy mia sobarh estia piqanhs krishs ejakoloyqei na yfistatai sthn Anatolikh Mesogeio. Giati, xwris lysh toy Kypriakoy den mporei na yparjei omalopoihsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

H hgesia ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, thn opoia qelw na sygxarw gia th stash ths sth Xagh, qa exei thn yposthrijh mas gia toys peraiterw xeirismoys ths, giati to Kypriako paramenei to yp` ariqmon ena qema ths ejwterikhs mas politikhs. Oi laoi ths perioxhs mas epiqymoyn eirhnh, synergasia, eyhmeria kai koinwnikh proodo mesa sthn Enwmenh Eyrwph. Oson taxytera antilhfqei h Toyrkia ayth thn pragmatikothta, oso taxytera antilhfqei pros ta poy kineitai h istoria, toso pio eykolh qa einai kai h lysh twn problhmatwn ths stis sxeseis ths me thn E.E.. H Ellada kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia ekanan tis epiloges toys kai dialejan swsta".

Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sthn Oikonomia kai ypogrammise: "Yparxoyn problhmata, anamfibola, logw ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs sygkyrias, ths arnhtikhs sygkyrias: Opws h anodos twn timwn toy petrelaioy, h yfesh sth Dytikh Eyrwph me amesh epiptwsh stis ejagwges kai ton Toyrismo. Yparxei, omws, kai mia eikona epapeiloymenhs katastrofhs, h opoia kalliergeitai kai kalliergeitai plasta, xwris na yparxoyn ayth th stigmh stoixeia poy na thn tekmhriwnoyn. Einai epibeblhmeno na jeroyme ola ta stoixeia poy xarakthrizoyn mia katastash gia na krinoyme kai na antimetwpisoyme problhmata. Opws einai epibeblhmeno na eimaste kathgorhmatika arnhtikoi apenanti se aytoys poy adiaforwntas gia tis synepeies kalliergoyn katastrofologies. Na mhn parasyrqoyme apo osoys qeloyn na trofodotoyn ena klima krishs, fobias kai dhqen ektaktwn metrwn. Emeis ejasfalizoyme th staqerothta. Emeis eimaste oi eggyhtes ths staqerothtas kai ths anaptyjhs kai qa synexisoyme atalanteyta se ayth thn poreia.

H shmerinh synedriash exei akribws ayto to skopo. Na epanabebaiwsoyme thn poreia mas".

Kleinontas, epanelabe oti: "H epilogh mas einai: Anaptyjh kai staqerothta. Nai, yparxei anhsyxia. Yparxoyn problhmata me to epipedo toy Xrhmatisthrioy, yparxoyn arnhtika epitokia sto Tamieythrio, alla den yparxoyn stoixeia poy na dikaiologoyn mia zoferh eikona poy epixeiroyn na paroysiasoyn orismenoi. Kai, bebaiws, prepei na dwsoyme to metro ths pragmatikhs katastashs. Mias pragmatikhs katastashs poy exei problhmata stis times, exei problhmata me to petrelaio, paroysiazontai anhsyxies gia ton Toyrismo. Yparxoyn ta problhmata ths yfeshs se olh thn Eyrwph, ta problhmata twn Xrhmatisthriwn, alla apexei poly apo th zoferh eikona, apo thn eikona krishs poy qeloyn epiplasta na paroysiasoyn orismenoi. Prepei na dwsoyme, loipon, to metro ths pragmatikhs katastashs. Kaneis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den pisteyei oti xreiazontai ektakta metra. Xreiazetai, bebaiws, prosoxh, eyqynh kai sobarothta sthn antimetwpish mias arnhtikhs sygkyrias. Me synesh kai eyqynh, loipon, apofasisthke na proxwrhsoyme se ena antiplhqwristiko metwpo me mia megalh prospaqeia gia na sygkrathqoyn oi times kai kyriws se trofima kai se yphresies. Na mhn yparjoyn ayjhseis stis DEKO peran toy plhqwrismoy. Ta timologia twn metaforwn na elegxqoyn gia na mhn paroysiastoyn fainomena kerdoskopias. Na ejetastoyn enisxytikes parembaseis gia ton Toyrismo, me tonwsh kai ths eswterikhs agoras an xreiastei. Na enisxyqoyn oi ejagwges kai bebaiws, opws tonise o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, ean apo thn ejelijh toy polemoy prokycoyn eidika problhmata poy qa plhjoyn eyaisqhtes kathgories toy plhqysmoy, tote gi` aytes qa yparjoyn eidika metra politikhs, wste na enisxyqoyn".

O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, epishs, sthn aysthrh thrhsh toy proypologismoy ths dhmosionomikhs politikhs kai shmeiwse: "Prepei na proxwrhsoyn oi diarqrwtikes allages. Mas endiaferei na yparjei ychlos ryqmos anaptyjhs me swsth, grhgorh kai apotelesmatikh xrhsh twn porwn toy G@ KPS.

Xreiazetai staqerothta, bebaiothta kai empistosynh sthn politikh mas. Prepei na exoyme pepoiqhsh gia to mellon kai na thn apopneoyme".

O Prwqypoyrgos symfwnhse me parathrhseis poy eginan oti qa prepei na yparxei emfanish ths kybernhshs se olh ayth thn prospaqeia kai sthrijh twn apofasewn poy shmera omofwna elhfqhsan sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qelw eisagwgika na shmeiwsw ta ejhs:

Paroysiasthke shmera h ekqesh toy dioikhtoy ths Trapezhs ths Ellados Nikoy Gkargkana . Qelw na prosejete thn ereyna poy exei ginei apo thn Trapeza ths Ellados, gia to ycos toy daneismoy kai to baqmo xrewshs twn ellhnikwn noikokyriwn. H ereyna ayth poy einai sygkrothmenh kai apolyta ajiopisth apanta se polla poy legontai kai grafontai, kyriws apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, alla kai apo orismenoys alloys "analytes", gyrw apo to baqmo yperxrewshs twn ellhnikwn noikokyriwn.

Qelw na epishmanw, gia mia akomh fora, thn plhrh asynepeia ths N.D., h opoia, thn idia wra poy koptetai yper twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn, chfizei sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio chfisma ths omadas toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, me to opoio anatrepotan to systhma isorropias anamesa sthn eyelijia kai thn prostasia toy ergazomenoy kai kalliergoyntan logikes plhroys aporyqmishs twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, poy antistrateyontai en tois pragmasi th meta th Lissabona pagia grammh ths E.E. gia symbibasmo twn ajiwn toy koinwnikoy kratoys me tis apaithseis ths agoras. H prospaqeia ayth twn eyrwboyleytwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos kai twn eyrwboyleytwn ths N.D. epese sto keno, xarh stis energeies poy eginan apo thn eyrwsosialistikh omada, alla kai apo alles omades toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, opws oi Prasinoi kai h Enwmenh Aristera. Apodeiknyetai oti, gia mia akomh fora, h N.D. alla leei kai alla prattei. Thn idia wra poy koptetai sto eswteriko yper twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn, profanws ypokritika, thn idia wra prospaqei na symbalei sthn prospaqeia afaireshs twn dikaiwmatwn toys me th stash twn eyrwboyleytwn ths. Ayth h baqia ypokritikh stash ths N.D. nomizw oti prepei na tonistei idiaitera

Me omofwnh apofash toy KYSEA elhje kai to qema ths asfaleias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Meta apo shmantikes kai oysiastikes diapragmateyseis gia ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy, h asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn aneteqh ston proswrino meiodoth sthn Koinoprajia ths SAICH, enanti timhmatos peripoy 255 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Kai lew "peripoy" giati einai kati ligotero. Qelw na ypenqymisw kai na epishmanw thn poly oysiastikh kai shmantikh diapragmateysh poy egine. Yphrje shmantikotath meiwsh toy timhmatos se poly megalo pososto. Ayto edeije oti h kybernhsh, gia mia akomh fora, yperaspisthke kata ton kalytero kai apotelesmatikotero tropo, ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PAPPA: Gia to Irak den ekane anafora o Prwqypoyrgos eisagwgika;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ekane anafora eisagwgika. Bebaiws, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs eginan polles anafores, kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai apo polloys ypoyrgoys, gyrw apo ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgei h krish sto Irak, anafores mono gia tis piqanes synepeies stis oikonomies twn xwrwn ths E.E..

PAPPA: Dhladh, den yphrje ektimhsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to ti qa ginei sto Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den anaferqhkame se ayth kaq@ ayth thn krish. Se mellontikh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy qa entaxqei to qema ayto sta genikotera problhmata poy qa syzhthqoyn ston tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs.

IWANNOY: O Prwqypoyrgos den anefere oti einai endexomeno se 10 hmeres na jekinhsei o polemos; Epeidh to akoysame apo polloys ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi malista mas to epibebaiwsan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipwqhke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws kai apo polloys ypoyrgoys, oti yparxei endexomeno polemikhs sygkroyshs sto Irak. Ayto einai gnwsto.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: To 10hmero to diaceydete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhke apo polloys synadelfoys, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs, oti einai endexomeno mesa sto epomeno diasthma na yparjoyn ejelijeis sto Irak. Alla, epanalambanw, oti ayto eipwqhke ws ektimhsh, ws piqanothta kai oxi ws politikh analysh. Dioti, akoysa se ena staqmo, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse oti einai sigoyros o polemos. Kaneis den eipe tetoio pragma. Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh qewroyme oti den exoyn ejantlhqei ta periqwria gia eirhnikh epilysh ths krishs. Kai epomenws, exoyme strecei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh (thn apofygh toy polemoy) olo to baros mas stis diplwmatikes prospaqeies sth dieqnh koinothta kai thn E.E.. Gnwrizete, omws, oti yparxoyn kai peri toy antiqetoy dhlwseis, toso toy Proedroy Mpoys, oso kai allwn kybernhsewn kai kyriws toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy. Ola ayta ta endexomena anaferqhkan ektimhseis gia tis synepeies oson afora thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai oxi ws politikh analysh gyrw apo to qema toy Irak. Qelw na ginei safes ayto. Dhladh, sthn periptwsh enos polemoy kai stis endexomenes synepeies poy mporei na epiferei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Me ayth thn ennoia teqhke to qema kai oxi me thn ennoia ths ektimhshs h ths proanaggelias h ths bebaiothtas h ths syzhthshs gyrw apo tis ejelijeis sto Irak.

KALARITHS: Epeidh an telika ginei polemos, tis synepeies toy oydeis mporei na ektimhsei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei, omws, na kanoyme ektimhseis gia to apotelesma. "Twn fronimwn ta paidia, prin peinasoyn mageireyoyn".

KALARITHS: Sxediasmos gia lhch ektaktwn metrwn, an xreiastei, yparxei h teleytaia stigmh qa apofasistei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis twra sas apanthsa.

KALARITHS: Eipate oti den qa labete. Egw rwthsa, an yparxei sxediasmos se periptwsh poy xreiastei na lhfqoyn kapoia metra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin apo ligo, sas enhmerwsa oti apotelese omofwnh ektimhsh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, to opoio elabe ypoch toy thn parametro enos polemoy. Eipwqhke oti den xreiazontai ektakta metra. Kai bebaiws, den qewroyntai ektakta metra, oyte h ayjhsh twn elegxwn, oyte o elegxos twn timwn sthn agora. Ayta einai metra aytosygkrathshs, eyqynhs kai apokatastashs toy aisqhmatos asfaleias poy xreiazetai o ellhnikos laos.

KALARITHS: Opote exete proejoflhsei oti se periptwsh polemoy oi epidiwjeis qa einai mexri enos shmeioy poy den qa xreiastei h lhch ektaktwn metrwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn ektimhsh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy sas thn metefera: Den xreiazontai ektakta metra.

MIXAHL: Epeidh kai shmera yparxoyn, ypoqetw ta exei dei prwtos o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai eseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, qa hqela na sas pw oti, akoygontas se polloys radiofwnikoys staqmoys tetoies apoceis, anagkasthka xqes na milhsw sto thlefwno me toys dieyqyntes eidhsewn kapoiwn staqmwn, kaqws metadidotan oti proanaggellontai ektakta metra, idiaitera sklhra. Apotypwnotan h perigrafh mias katastashs, h opoia kaqe allo para antistoixoyse me th shmerinh pragmatikothta. Xreiazetai mia stash eyqynhs apo oloys mas. Qelw na parakalesw na synergastoyme oloi se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MIXAHL: Milhsate gia stash eyqynhs. Mhpws qa prepei prwta kai kyria na thn anazhthsete ston kratiko mhxanismo; Dioti oydeis ej hmwn jypnhse kapoia mera -to katalabainete ypoqetw- kai ebgale ayta poy eidate kai eseis kai enoxlhqhkate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den enoxlhqhka, ta dieceysa.

MIXAHL: Giati blepw ton Prwqypoyrgo shmera, opws mas metaferate thn eishghsh toy, na leei oti prepei na eimaste kathgorhmatika antiqetoi se osoys kalliergoyn klima amfibolias, krishs kai logikhs ektaktwn metrwn. Poioi ta apofasisan ayta; Kapoioi kybernhtikoi paragontes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kybernhtikoi paragontes;

MIXAHL: Eite yphresiakoi paragontes, estw, ypo ton elegxo sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti kai xqes, meta apo epikoinwnia poy eixa me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton armodio ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn dieceysa tis dhqen plhrofories h ta reportaz peri ektaktwn metrwn. Mh dhmioyrgoyme paniko.

MIXAHL: Prospaqw na katalabw ti ginetai. Dhladh, oi synergates toy ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs, oi opoioi ebgainan sta radiofwna, xqes apo to prwi, kai miloysan gia ektakta metra kai an xreiastei akomh kai gia dynatothta apeleyqerwshs kratikwn apoqematwn petrelaioy, aytoi den ejefrazan thn kybernhtikh politikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw den akoysa kanenan.

MIXAHL: Na pw to onoma toy: O k. Agrafiwths, Genikos Grammateas Biomhxanias, xqes to prwi, sto FLASH.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw, oti egw proswpika den akoysa kanenan. Sas enhmerwsa gia thn apofash ths kybernhshs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Giati o k. Shmiths aisqanqhke thn anagkh na pei oti prepei na yparjei mia omofwnia kai mia allhlosthrijh olwn twn melwn ths kybernhshs; Yparxei kaneis poy to amfisbhtei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xqes, synadelfoi sas, edw, me rwthsan, giati ypoyrgoi tassontai kata toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Kai apanthsa oti kati tetoio den isxyei, oyte exei ginei kapoia anafora apo kapoion ypoyrgo enantion toy k. Xristodoylakh. Kai malista tonisa oti o Prwqypoyrgos parakoloyqei apo poly konta tis ejelijeis kai sthrizei tis prospaqeies toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy. To idio akribws epanelabe kai shmera. Epeidh kai pali eginan kapoies analyseis, tis opoies ypoqetw gnwrizete, krinoyme skopimo na topoqethqoyme kai na apanthsoyme kai s@ aytes.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h anafora toy k. Shmith htan sxetika me tis analyseis twn dhmosiografwn kai oxi apanthsh se ayta poy eipe, metajy allwn, o Giannos Papantwnioy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws kai alloi ypoyrgoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw ta shmeia ths topoqethshs toy k. Papantwnioy kai sas plhroforw oti symfwnoyn apolyta me tis topoqethseis toy k. Xristodoylakh.

PAPPA: Mas ta lete kai emas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. O k. Papantwnioy ekane mia oloklhrwmenh topoqethsh kai symfwnhse apolyta me thn akribh eikona gia thn oikonomia kai thn anodikh poreia ths mexri shmera. Ejalloy, exei kataqesei sxetikes protaseis poy teinoyn sto idio symperasma, opws apokrystallwqhke sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Einai mia idiaitera oloklhrwmenh kai qetikh topoqethsh toy k. Papantwnioy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Egw den eipa oti o k. Papantwnioy ekane arnhtikh topoqethsh h oti diafwnei me thn oikonomikh politikh poy askei o k. Xristodoylakhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papantwnioy, me thn topoqethsh toy, ekane safes oti, afenos symballei sto dialogo kai afeteroy employtizei me tis parembaseis toy kai symfwnei apolyta me thn telikh apofash.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Papantwnioy eipe, omws h toylaxiston ayto phgazei apo plhrofories, oti to klima oloy aytoy toy panikoy kai twn ektaktwn metrwn, to kallierghsan oi ektaktes syskeceis, kaqws kai dhmosieymata poy xrewnontan ston ypoyrgo Oikonomias, oti prepei na kanoyme ektakto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia thn oikonomia...

PRWTOPAPAS: Diafwnw. O k. Papantwnioy, afoy ekane mia oloklhrwmenh topoqethsh gyrw apo thn politikh diaxeirish kai anaferqhke sta metra oysiastikhs politikhs, poy einai aparaithta se ayth th dieqnh sygkyria, kateqese protaseis poy htan apolyta symfwnes me thn telikh apofash poy elhfqh. Sth synexeia, ekane mia seira apo epikoinwniakes protaseis, kai malista anaferqhke se palaioteres kriseis ston tomea ths oikonomias me idiaiterh epityxia, tis opoies eixame antimetwpisei otan htan ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, toso gia th legomenh "krish ths draxmhs" to 1994, oso kai sta gnwsta qemata poy antimetwpisame to 1998, poy eixan stefqei me idiaiterh epityxia. Epesthse thn prosoxh, me aformh thn empeiria toy, sto ti prepei na prosejoyme ston epikoinwniako tomea. Analoges topoqethseis kaname polloi sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, metajy twn opoiwn kai egw. Syzhthsame gia peraiterw kinhseis epikoinwnias me ton polith, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn qetikotera apotelesmata ws pros thn enhmerwsh toy kai na ton peisoyme oti den yparxei logos gia lhch metrwn ektakths anagkhs. Xreiazetai na kalycoyme en tois pragmasi tis anhsyxies toy kai parallhla na meiwsoyme ta problhmata poy qa prokycoyn endexomena apo tis synepeies poy qa exei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia h khryjh enos polemoy sto Irak. Ola ayta htan mia qetikh symbolh sth syzhthsh gia thn oikonomia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: To teleytaio diasthma o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn exei dwsei kapoia synenteyjh Typoy se megalh efhmerida, se MME h exei kalesei gia thn poreia ths oikonomias enocei toy polemoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporw na qymamai oles tis synenteyjeis; Oloi oi politikoi dinoyn synenteyjeis kai kanoyn tis anafores toys. Ejalloy, ayth thn wra poy milame, o k. Xristodoylakhs dinei synenteyjh Typoy stoys oikonomikoys syntaktes.

I. XASOPOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw poia htan h anagkh poy eseis kai oloi oi alloi eipate oti xreiazontai kapoies parembaseis epikoinwniakoy xarakthra, afoy den yparxei kanena problhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tote na mhn kanoyme synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, na mh syzhtame, na symfwnoyme me thn eishghsh. Ayta den armozoyn sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK. Sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy exoyn gnwmh, apoch, protaseis kai kalopista tis kataqetoyn se klima qetikhs symbolhs. Kai ayto to tonizw. Ola ayta lambanontai ypoch kai ginontai apodekta apo ton eishghth -opws eginan apodekta apo ton k. Xristodoylakh- enswmatwnontai sthn eishghsh kai apoteloyn stoixeia ths apofashs. Alliws, den yparxei logos na synedriazoyn ta kybernhtika organa. Den eimaste ``loxos''!

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Pantws, oi dhmosiografoi den eipan oti prepei na paraithqei o k. Xristodoylakhs. Etsi;

PRWTOPAPAS; Kaneis den eipe oti prepei na paraithqei o k. Xristodoylakhs. Toylaxiston kaneis apo thn kybernhsh. Sas zhthsa, proxqes, na moy peite, poios apo thn kybernhsh -opws anaferate sthn erwthsh sas- eipe tetoio pragma. Oydeis mexri shmera exei apanthsei se ayto. As mhn lambanoyme, loipon, tis ektimhseis h tis analyseis, ws dedomenes. Giati ean arxisoyme kai lambanoyme tis analyseis kai tis ektimhseis ws dedomenes, qa eprepe na exoyme mexri twra kamia .... 50aria anasxhmatismoys, qa eprepe na eixame allajei kamia...15aria Prwqypoyrgoys k.o.k. Etsi den einai h kanw laqos;

PAPPA: Eipate pws sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthqhke oti den xreiazontai ektakta metra. Hqela na rwthsw ean ayth h apoch edrazetai sto oti o opoios polemos qa exei mikrh diarkeia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhke kai ayto ws ektimhsh kata th diarkeia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Oti, dhladh, ean yparjei polemos, yparxei to endexomeno, h diarkeia toy na mhn einai makra. Alla, ayta einai ektimhseis poy akoysthkan kata th diarkeia ths synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Katalabainete, omws, oti se kaqe periptwsh ekeino poy metra einai ti diamorfwnetai sthn idia thn pragmatikothta.

IWANNOY: Otan lete ``oxi makra'' prosdioristhke xronika; Dhladh, gia paradeigma, katw apo mhna; Ligwn hmerwn; Ti akribws ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kaname analysh gia ton polemo. Sas to eipa.

KALARITHS: Epibebaiwnei h kybernhsh oti yphrje parenoxlhsh ellhnikoy aeroskafoys ths P.A. apo amerikanika maxhtika kai ean, nai, diamartyrhqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den synebh ayto. Opws gnwrizete oi Amerikanoi exoyn kapoia ellimenismena aeroplanofora kai kanoyn askhseis ekei. Exoyn eidopoihsei malista egkaira oti diejagontai synexeis askhseis, dioti, opws gnwrizete, exoyn ekfrasei thn apoch oti prepei na ginei polemos. Ayto exei pei epishmws o Proedros Mpoys. Epomenws, exei qesei se etoimothta ta amerikanika strateymata -ara kai ta aeroplanofora poy exei sthn eyryterh perioxh- kai ginontai aeroporikes askhseis ekei. Ena ellhniko aeroplano plhsiase sth zwnh thn opoia eixe prosdiorisei (kai mas eixe eidopoihsei gi` ayto) to amerikaniko aeroplanoforo kai to aeroskafos ayto, eidopoihqhke oti prepei na apomakrynqei, dioti ekeinh thn wra diejagontan askhseis.

KALARITHS: Htan entos toy FIR Aqhnwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap o,ti plhroforhqhka, oxi. H zwnh poy ginontan oi askhseis den htan entos toy FIR.

GIANNISHS: Anhsyxei h kybernhsh gia thn katastash poy diamorfwnetai sth Gioygkoslabia, meta th dolofonia toy Tzitzits;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai sigoyra ena shmantiko qema. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti den qa diataraxqei h staqerh poreia ths geitonos pros thn anaptyjh kai thn oloklhrwsh twn dhmokratikwn allagwn. Bebaiws, se kaqe periptwsh, prepei na parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta tis ejelijeis. Kai einai ena shmeio poy opwsdhpote mas endiaferei idiaitera. Htan mia pragmatika aparadekth kai qliberh energeia. Ws gnwston, ekfrasame apo xqes th lyph kai ta syllyphthria mas pros thn kybernhsh ths Serbias, enw apestalh kai sxetikh epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto poy tonizoyme, pera apo thn katadikh ths prajhs kai ta syllyphthria mas, einai toyto: Qeloyme na pisteyoyme -kai pros ayto eimaste etoimoi na symbaloyme- oti se tipota den qa diataraxqei h omalh poreia pros thn anaptyjh kai thn oloklhrwsh twn dhmokratikwn qesmwn sth geitonikh xwra.

MIXAHL: Yparxei shmera mia kataggelia toy k. Karatzaferh oti o enas ek twn synhgorwn toy k. Koyfontina, nomizw, o k. Karydhs, dietelese symboylos toy k. Xrysoxoidh. H kybernhsh exei kati na sxoliasei ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema.

MIXAHL: Einai h den einai symboylos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean einai symboylos rwtate; Den einai symboylos.

MIXAHL: Eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas mia dhmoskophsh, symfwna me thn opoia polloi pisteyoyn oti h tromokratia den exei pataxqei sth xwra mas, para tis syllhceis tis dikes k.l.p. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai para polloi pisteyoyn oti exei pataxqei. Otan ginontai dhmoskophseis bgazoyn apotelesmata se diafores erwthseis. Qa kanw sxolio gia th gnwmh poy exei o kaqe poliths; Para polloi pisteyoyn oti exei pataxqei h tromokratia. Para polloi pisteyoyn oti mporei na yparxoyn ypoloipa ths. Yparxoyn kai orismenoi -ena 10% symfwna me tis ereynes- poy pisteyoyn oti oi tromokrates einai koinwnikoi agwnistes, poy bebaiws, den einai. Egklhmaties einai. Alla, qa sxoliasoyme toys polites; Einai dynaton; Emeis sxoliazoyme politikes prajeis, sxoliazoyme kommata, politika gegonota. Ean me rwtate poia einai h gnwmh ths kybernhshs an pisteyei, h kybernhsh oti h tromokratia exei pataxqei sthn Ellada, sas apantw, eyqews: Nai! Me thn ejarqrwsh, th syllhch kai thn parapomph ths 17N se dikh, yphrje ena apofasistiko bhma sthn kateyqynsh patajhs ths tromokratias sthn Ellada. To idio apofasistiko bhma yphrje kai me th syllhch ths hgesias toy ELA. Kai bebaiws, den exoyme krycei oti proetoimazomaste gia thn ejarqrwsh kai allwn tromokratikwn organwsewn. Stoxos mas einai na pataxqei synolika h tromokratia sthn Ellada kai na apomyqopoihqei. Na einai h xwra mas -opws einai shmera- kai na emfanistei ayto se olo ton kosmo, ws mia apo tis pio asfalhs xwres toy kosmoy, idiaitera enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

IWANNOY: Sxetika me thn kataggelia toy k. Karatzaferh, eipate oti den einai symboylos toy k. Xrysoxoidh. Ergazetai, omws, sth nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporw na gnwrizw poios ergazetai se opoiadhpote nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph, opoioydhpote nomoy;

IWANNOY: Rwtw epeidh einai synhgoros toy k. Koyfontina, ean to eidate.

PRWTOPAPAS; Den kynhgame toys synhgoroys. Den diwketai kaneis epeidh einai synhgoros. Sthn Ellada, opws gnwrizete, exoyme mia Nomoqesia idiaitera fileleyqerh. Einai dynaton, loipon, na parakoloyqoyme ton synhgoro toy kaqenos, ean kapote xrhsimopoihqhke gia na ekfrasei th gnwmh toy se opoiadhpote epitroph; Einai dynaton na gnwrizoyme tetoia pragmata; Den mpainw kan ston kopo na rwthsw kati tetoio.

PAPPA: Me sygxwreite, alla ean yphrje symboylos toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, yparxei ena qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa ep` aytoy. Eipa oti den einai symboylos, dioti ean htan symboylos, pragmati mporei na yphrxe ena qema. Den einai symboylos toy ypoyrgeioy. Apo kei kai pera, ti akribws exei kanei sth zwh toy aytos o anqrwpos, poy exei bohqhsei kai poy exei pei th nomikh gnwmh toy, ayto den mporw na to gnwrizw kai oyte endiaferomai na to cajw.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ean exei bohqhsei sth syntajh toy antitromokratikoy nomoy, k. Ypoyrge, yparxei ena qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Alla, giati na yparxei qema; Ejhghste moy. Apagoreyetai na einai synhgoros;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eseis eipate oti oyte kan mpainete ston kopo na to cajete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati; Kathgorhsa egw pote toys kyrioys synhgoroys twn 19 kathgoroymenwn gia tipota; Dikhgoroi einai oi anqrwpoi kai kanoyn th doyleia toys. Tromokrates einai;

PAPPA: Giati tote den isxyse ayto kai gia ton k, Rokofyllo, otan egine ypainigmos oti phge na analabei ...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai diaforetiko na eisai politiko proswpo, prwhn Ypoyrgos, boyleyths, melos ths K.E. kai diaforetiko na einai kapoios, o opoios kapoy, kapote sth zwh toy piqano na ejefrase th gnwmh toy.

PAPPA: Milame gia twra, oxi gia ``kapoy, kapote''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na kanw ``astynomiko reportaz'' gia na to diapistwsw. Rwthsa, ean einai symboylos. Den einai symboylos o anqrwpos. Teleiwse to qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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