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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Febroyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Prin apo ligo oloklhrwqhke h synanthsh poy eixa me thn ESHEA gia ta qemata poy prokyptoyn, gyrw apo th dieykolynsh twn dhmosiografwn sth dikh ths "17N", poy arxizei th Deytera.

H ESHEA moy eqese tis diamartyries ths kai mia seira apo qemata poy thn apasxoloyn idiaitera, prokeimenoy kata ton kalytero tropo na dieykolynqei to ergo twn dhmosiografwn.

Me thn eykairia ayth, qelw na epanalabw ta ejhs: Opws einai gnwsto, yparxei kai efarmozetai nomos gia thn apagoreysh ths thleoptikhs kai radiofwnikhs metadoshs ths dikhs. Einai enas nomos poy prosfata chfise h Boylh me eyreia pleiochfia. H thleoptikh kai radiofwnikh kalych ths dikhs qa ginei, epomenws, monon ean to dikasthrio to apofasisei me symfwnh gnwmh olwn twn diadikwn. Kai to tonizw ayto idiaitera gia na ypogrammisw oti prepei na symfwnhsoyn oloi oi paragontes ths dikhs (kathgoroymenoi, synhgoroi yperaspishs, politikh agwgh). Diaforetika, o nomos problepei oti den epitrepetai h thleoptikh kai radiofwnikh kalych. Ayto den allazei kai den mporei na allajei, giati problepetai apo th nomoqesia mas.

Ti mporei na ginei; Exoyn lhfqei ola ta anagkaia metra -kai makari na mporesoyme na laboyme kai epiprosqeta- prokeimenoy na dieykolynqei to ergo toy dhmosiografoy, to leitoyrghma sas kai h oso to dynaton kalyterh antapokrish sthn anagkaiothta ths dhmosiothtas gia th dikh kai thn enhmerwsh toy polith. Gia to logo ayto 120 dhmosiografoi qa einai mesa sthn aiqoysa toy dikasthrioy kai alloi 250 qa mporoyn na einai sto Kentro Typoy, sto opoio, me kleisto kyklwma, qa metadidetai, me eikona kai hxo, h dikh se dyo video wall. Qa yparxei, loipon, aqroistika enas ariqmos 350 dhmosiografwn, oi opoioi qa exoyn amesh h emmesh epafh me thn aiqoysa toy dikasthrioy.

Peran aytoy, qa yparxei mia seira apo thlefwna sthn aiqoysa twn dikhgorwn, poy brisketai liga metra makria apo to Kentro Typoy. Ekei, qa yparxoyn 40 kartothlefwna kai 13 eyqeies grammes poy qa doqoyn stoys enhmerwtikoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai sta thleoptika kanalia eqnikhs embeleias, wste na mporoyn amesws, mesw twn hlektronikwn Meswn, na dinoyn thn eidhsh. Epishs, kai ston proaylio xwro poy einai synexomenos qa mporei kaneis na epikoinwnei akomh kai mesw toy kinhtoy thlefwnoy toy. Dhladh, se aytoys toys xwroys den qa yparxei mhxanhma poy na empodizei th leitoyrgia toy kinhtoy, poy qa empodizetai mono mesa sthn aiqoysa toy dikasthrioy kai to Kentro Typoy, sto opoio qa yparxei o hxos kai profanws to dikasthrio den qa epitrecei na ginei ypokatastash ths radiofwnikhs metadoshs. Sto Kentro Typoy qa yparxoyn, epishs, 64 hlektronikoi ypologistes.

Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti kataballetai megalh prospaqeia gia th dieykolynsh sas. Oloi oi endiaferomenoi dhmosiografoi mporoyn na epikoinwnoyn me thn k. Dhmhtra Sphliopoyloy, th Genikh Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy mas, h opoia exei kai thn organwtikh eyqynh ayths ths prospaqeias, kaqws kai me th Genikh Dieyqyntria toy ypoyrgeioy k. Margarita Papada. Gia enhmerwsh twn synadelfwn sas poy exoyn diapisteytei, sas lew oti h k. Sphliopoyloy qa brisketai thn prwth mera ths dikhs sto dikasthrio.

Peran aytoy, apo thn ESHEA moy eteqh mia seira apo zhthmata. Qa enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai qa syzhthsw me thn ESHEA gia na ejetasoyme se ti mporoyme perissotero na antapokriqoyme.

Opws sas eipa kai xqes, qa kataballoyme prospaqeies -tis kataballoyme hdh- kai mporw na sas anakoinwsw pleon epishma oti qa epitrapei mesw ths Enwshs Idiokthtwn Hmerhsiwn Efhmeridwn Aqhnwn h paroxh apomagnhtofwnhmenwn keimenwn. Xrhsimopoiw thn ennoia "keimeno" gia dikonomikoys logoys. Qa parexontai, loipon, plhrh apomagnhtofwnhmena keimena sth diaqesh olwn, mesa apo thn ergasia poy qa ginei mesw ths Enwshs Idiokthtwn Efhmeridwn Aqhnwn kai ths syndromhs idiwtikhs etaireias poy qa epilejei h Enwsh Idiokthtwn. Qa exete th dynatothta, loipon, se synennohsh me thn EIHEA na exete sth diaqesh sas plhrh apomagnhtofwnhmena keimena mesa se elaxisth wra, wste na dieykolynqeite sth doyleia sas.

Ena teleytaio zhthma poy antimetwpizoyme einai, kata poson qa epitrapoyn ta magnhtofwna h oxi. Ayto den mporw na to gnwrizw apo twra. Einai ena qema to opoio qa krinei to dikasthrio. Qa sas plhroforhsoyme, omws, egkaira ean qa mporeite na ta xrhsimopoihsete kata thn prwth hmera ths dikhs h oxi. Einai ena qema poy qa kriqei, alla apo o,ti plhroforhqhka, mallon prosanatolizontai na to ejetasoyn sth synexeia. Einai kai ayto ena qema poy qa apasxolhsei to dikasthrio, opws kai polla alla qemata, ta opoia qa kriqoyn, epishs, apo to dikasthrio.

Symperasmatika, gia na kanw perissotero politikh topoqethsh, proqesh mas einai na yparxei plhrhs dhmosiothta sth diarkeia ths dikhs, xwris omws na ftanoyme se fainomena, eite metatrophs ths dikhs se thleoptiko swoy, eite se fainomena thleoptikoy kanibalismoy, san ki ekeina poy oloi parakoloyqhsame to kalokairi. Bebaiws, den anaferomai se ola ta kanalia, ayto prepei na to omologhsw. Polloi thleoptikoi staqmoi ekanan me pollh sobarothta kai eyqynh ths doyleia toys. Yphrxan, omws, kai orismenoi oi opoioi, eite xrhsimopoiwntas toys gnwstoys paramyqades, eite ftanontas se akraia fainomena, prospaqhsan na metatrecoyn thn ypoqesh ths tromokratias se ena reality show, xwris na sebontai polles fores proswpikothtes, atoma, opws kai alla zhthmata poy aptontai ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias, poy eprepe na ta xeirizontai me megalh prosoxh. Prepei na badizoyme sth xrysh tomh, h opoia proypoqetei sebasmo sth doyleia toy dhmosiografoy, "nai" sth dhmosiothta, "nai" sthn enhmerwsh toy polith gia ta tektainomena sth dikh, oxi, omws se thleoptika swoy, oxi sth metatroph ayths ths sobarhs ypoqeshs se ena kakogoysto qeama h se fainomena kanibalismoy, opws ayta poy emfanisthkan to kalokairi.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean enas thleoptikos staqmos epilejei na metadwsei ena hxhtiko ntokoymento apo th dikh, qa timwrhqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto exei na kanei me th nomoqesia. Den qa apanthsei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos gi` ayto.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Problepontai poines, telos pantwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Problepontai mia seira apo dynatothtes toy dikasthrioy kai toy eisaggelea, opws kai oi dynatothtes poy exei to ESR. Egw den eimai armodios na efarmosw to nomo se aytes tis periptwseis. Armodio, oson afora thn poinikh diastash toy qematos, einai to dikasthrio kai o eisaggeleas. Oson afora, ta qemata genikoterhs symperiforas kai deontologias gia thleoptikh kalych, armodio einai to ESR. Ayto qa krinei. Bebaiws, o kaqenas analambanetai tis eyqynes toy otan parabainei to nomo, ayto einai safes. Gia na exoyme mia organwmenh koinwnia, prepei na yparxei kai isothta sta dikaiwmata twn politwn kai bebaiws thrhsh twn nomwn.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Efoson problepontai poines, apo xqes exei dhmioyrghqei megalh anastatwsh, kyriws sto dhmosiografiko xwro, giati eseis eipate nai sth dhmosiothta, nai sthn plhrh diafaneia ths dikhs k.l.p.. Alla toylaxiston oi dhmosiografoi -kai den milaw gia oloys toys ypoloipoys- poy einai epifortismenoi na einai ekei parontes kaqhmerina, prokeimenoy na metaferoyn to klima ths dikhs, noiwqoyn apokleismenoi gia enan sygkekrimeno logo: Gia to logo oti mesa sthn aiqoysa Typoy poy brisketai h gigantooqonh kai poy qa mporoyn na parakoloyqoyn ta tektainomena, den qa leitoyrgoyn ta kinhta. Opws gnwrizete ta kinhta thlefwna einai aparaithta kai gia enhmerwnoyn to kanali, ton arxisyntakth ths efhmeridas, telos pantwn na exei epikoinwnia me ton ejw kosmo. Ayth th ryqmish, giati prepei o dhmosiografos, otan symbei kati na trexei 200 metra makria gia na parei ena thlefwno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo poy prokyptei oti prepei na apomakrynetai 200 metra gia na parei ena thlefwno; Mporei na einai 20 metra.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ekaton eikosi metra, sas lew kai parapanw. Giati ayth h talaipwria twn dhmosiografwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme kamia diaqesh na sas talaipwroyme. Antiqetws, malista! To prwto poy mas endiaferei einai na mporeite na kanete kala th doyleia ths. Kai ayto, akoma kai gia logoys poy aforoyn th genikoterh eikona poy qa paroysiasoyme ws xwra se ayth th dikh. Panta me sebasmo sth Dhmokratia, toys qesmoys kai toys kanones toy Politeymatos mas. Yparxei enas kindynos gia emmesh radiofwnikh metadosh ths dikhs apo thn aiqoysa Typoy. Qa moy peite "den qa to kanw egw". Apodexomai apolyta ayto poy qa moy peite. Gnwrizete, omws, oti yparxoyn ekeinoi poy qa to kanoyn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Apo ta staqera thlefwna den mporei na ginei ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, den qa einai mesa sto xwro poy yparxei o hxos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den problepontai poines, k. Ypoyrge;

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema einai na yparxoyn oi texnikes prodiagrafes efarmoghs toy nomoy. Apo ekei kai pera, ean kapoios parola ayta, memonwmena, qelhsei na parabiasei to nomo, problepontai sxetikes poines. Den katalabainw giati einai dyskolo na yparxei mia metabash enos dhmosiografoy poy qelei na dwsei thn eidhsh. Einai elaxista ta metra apostashs. Yparxei plhrhs dieykolynsh sth diplanh aiqoysa. Qa yparxoyn -eidika gia ta hlektronika MME- apeyqeias grammes. Kai prosejte to ayto: Den qa einai kateilhmmenes, dhladh, oi grammes aytes. Qa mporeite apeyqeias na dwsete thn eidhsh. O skopos einai na mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Ayth h dikh ginetai kai me ena kaqestws, opws katalabainete -kai to syneidhtopoieite ayto- ychlhs asfaleias. Dioti, einai mia dikh gia thn tromokratia. Exoyme na kanoyme me anqrwpoys poy kathgoroyntai oti htan tromokrates, oti eixan systhsei tromokratikh organwsh, poy barynontai me kathgories gia dolofonies, lhsteies, tromokratikes prajeis. Kai oi idioi prepei na prostateytoyn, apolyta, alla yparxei kai h anagkh synqhkwn ychlhs asfaleias. Fysika h asfaleia den mporei na empodisei thn enhmerwsh. Ayto einai safes. Gi@ ayto kai milhsa gia dynatothtes dieykolynshs sas s@ ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, poy epitrepei o xwros.

SKOYRHS: Plhrofories ebgainan, prin syllhfqoyn opoioi syllambanontan, mia ebdomada prin. Dikografies, martyres, ebgainan ston aera. Sta kanalia paizoyn ta proswpa kaqenos poy prosagetai sthn Eyelpidwn. Yparxei ena erwthma: Giati aytos o "ponos" mono gia th dikh; Giati to "hmifws" mono sth sygkekrimenh dikh; Den einai eylogo to erwthma kai den bohqate thn koinh gnwmh sto na ypociastei oti qelete mia dikh sto "hmifws";

PRWTOPAPAS: Qeloyme mia dikh plhrws sto fws. Mia dikh gia thn opoia qa maqainei o ellhnikos laos ta panta. Mia dikh poy na metadidontai, opws prepei, ola osa eipwqoyn ekei, mesw twn MME. Qeloyme, loipon, mia dikh poy na einai ola sto fws. Na yparxei plhrhs gnwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia to ti symbainei se ayth kai na mporeite kai eseis na askhsete kala to leitoyrghma sas. Den qeloyme, omws, mia dikh, oyte thleoptikoy "sooy", oyte me ta fainomena "kanibalismoy" poy paroysiasthkan to kalokairi. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na sas qymisw oti se sxesh me osa prohghqhkan, yphrjan, kat@ epanalhch, parembaseis toy eisaggelea. Ypenqymizw oti o eisaggeleas Prwtodikwn Aqhnwn exei parembei sto qema, gia paradeigma, ths fwtografhshs twn kathgoroymenwn, otan proserxontan sto Efeteio h tis alles dhmosies sxetikes yphresies. Den yparxei epilektikh parembash.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy epimenw, omws, yparxoyn dyo sygkekrimena zhthmata poy qetoyn oi dhmosiografoi. Den sas lew gia oloys toys alloys, milw gia toys dhmosiografoys poy qa pane ekei na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Toylaxiston, oi dhmosiografoi twn efhmeridwn qeloyn na ejyphrethqoyn se o,ti afora to kasetofwnaki. Einai praktiko to zhthma. Oi dhmosiografoi twn hlektronikwn MME exoyn anagkh to kinhto thlefwno toys. Dhladh, den mporeite na ta syzhthsete kai na allajete kapoia stash panw s@ ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: To kinhto thlefwno, sas eipa, einai poly eykolo na xrhsimopoihqei, afoy mporei na leitoyrghsei sth deyterh aiqoysa, poy einai poly konta. Den dhmioyrgeitai kanena problhma metabashs kai ekei. Apo thn allh pleyra, einai to qema ths mh emmeshs radiofwnikhs metadoshs ths dikhs, poy qa mporoyse na dhmioyrghsei sobara problhmata kai metajy sas kai se sxesh me th Dikaiosynh. Otan leme oti apagoreyetai h radiofwnikh metadosh, shmainei oti apagoreyetai. Shmainei oti ofeileis na threis to nomo. Eisai ypeyqynos enanti toy nomoy. Kai emeis eimaste ypeyqynoi enanti toy nomoy gi@ ayto to qema. As mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas. Ean yphrxe h dynatothta apeyqeias metadoshs mesa apo thn aiqoysa Typoy, qa yphrxe radiofwnikh metadosh. Exoyme eyqynh kai emeis enanti toy nomoy gi@ ayto kai to katalabainete poly kala. Eimaste oi prwtoi poy ofeiloyme na efarmozoyme to nomo. Edw den hrqa gia na kanw ton krith toy nomoy h gia na ton perigracw. Eimai ypoxrewmenos, prwtos na ton efarmosw kai to katalabainete poly kala ayto. Den qeloyme na sas talaipwroyme. Sebomaste apolyta to leitoyrghma sas. Exoyme kanei yperprospaqeia. Kai shmera, prospaqoysa na brw lyseis, se synergasia me thn ESHEA. Alla, oi xwroi einai periorismenoi. Oi aiqoyses, poy einai sto xwro twn fylakwn, einai periorismenes. Yparxei mia seira texnikwn zhthmatwn.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Tis aiqoyses, oysiastika, tis ftiajate gia na ejyphrethsete olo ayto to sxedio poy yphrxe, gia to pws qa kalyfqei h dikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me bash tis dynatothtes poy yphrxan, bebaiws. An janaftiaxname apo thn arxh ena eidiko ktirio gia na kanoyme ayth th dikh, den qa htan etsi. Na eiste bebaioi gi@ ayto. Yphrxe eidikos, periorismenos xwros. Ti na kanoyme;

POYLIDOY: Den rwtw me proswpiko endiaferon, giati den prokeitai na kalycw th dikh. Alla, epeidh gnwrizw poies einai oi synqhkes ths doyleias mas, prwton, se ayto poy lete oti o dhmosiografos mporei na bgei ejw kai na thlefwnhsei apo dipla, oloi gnwrizoyme oti otan ginetai ayto xaneis th roh ejelijhs twn gegonotwn. Kai panta oi dhmosiografoi distazoyn na broyn thn katallhlh stigmh. Dioti, polles fores exei symbei, otan epistrefoyn sto posto toys, na exei allajei teleiws to topio. Kai deyteron, den katalabainw giati eseis ferete thn eyqynh thrhshs toy nomoy. Thn eyqynh ayth th feroyme emeis. Eseis efarmozete to nomo. To an emeis qa eimaste pistoi sto nomo h oxi, einai diko mas qema. Eseis efarmoste ton.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto, akribws, kanoyme. Efarmozoyme to nomo.

POYLIDOY: Ean efarmozete to nomo, tote prepei na dinete th dynatothta sto dhmosiografo na epilejei an qa einai nomimos h paranomos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den petame to "mpalaki" o enas ston allon. Prepei na exoyme kai mia stoixeiwdh aisqhsh eyqynhs, epiteloys. Den mporei na isxyei h logikh "epitrepw", gia paradeigma, "anejelegkta thn oploforia kai an skotwseis kapoion esy fereis thn eyqynh". Ayto moy eipate ligo prin. Den einai, omws, etsi ta pragmata.

POYLIDOY: Ta kasetofwna einai opla; Giati edw einai akraia h analogia poy xrhsimopoieite.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhsa gia ta kasetofwna. Efera to paradeigma gia th logikh poy qesate, h opoia einai lanqasmenh. Kai ta kasetofwna, kat` arxas, den eipa oti qa apagoreytoyn, ean kanete tetoion parallhlismo. Dioti, eipa pws einai ena qema to opoio den mporoyme, oyte egw ws ypoyrgos, oyte h kybernhsh na diasfalisoyme. Einai ena qema poy mono to dikasthrio mporei na krinei. Ean sas epitrecei to dikasthrio, qa mporesete, mia xara, me ta kasetofwna na kanete th doyleia sas. Den eimaste emeis poy qa breqoyme antiqetoi.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: To kasetofwno den einai opws ta kinhta thlefwna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai, dioti den kanei apeyqeias metadosh. Kai opws exoyme pei, apagoreyetai h radiofwnikh metadosh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Gia deyterh hmera, yparxei mia seira qematwn, opws to qema twn magnhtofwnwn, to opoio parapempetai stis apofaseis toy dikasthrioy. Eseis h to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs -epeidh emeis apo edw den mporoyme na to gnwrizoyme- exete eikona gia to poies einai oi proqeseis toy dikasthrioy se sxesh me dyo-tria qemata, opws einai ayta poy tiqentai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporoyme.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Me sygxwreite alla, h dikh jekina th Deytera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tis prwtes hmeres to dikasthrio -opws fantazomai- profanws qa asxolhqei me para polla diadikastika qemata, ta opoia prepei na epilyqoyn, dioti qa teqoyn kai apo toys dikhgoroys ths yperaspishs h ths politikhs agwghs. An diabasete shmera egkrites efhmerides, qa deite na anaferontai, kata plhrofories, para polla apo ayta ta qemata, ta opoia -eykola fantazeste kai eseis- mporei na einai kai perissotera. Metajy, loipon, twn qematwn poy qa teqoyn, fantazomai oti qa einai kai ta qemata ths thleorashs, ths radiofwnikhs metadoshs, to qema me ta magnhtofwna kai mia seira alla qemata, gia ta opoia qa klhqei to dikasthrio na apanthsei. Emeis, ek twn proterwn -einai safes ayto- qa kanoyme me megalh mas xara o,ti apofasisei to dikasthrio. Den mporoyme kai den qeloyme, oyte na periorisoyme kanenan, oyte na dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. As ektimhsei to dikasthrio me poion kalytero tropo qa ginei h dikh. Emeis dieykolyname, ftiajame eidikes aiqoyses, topoqethsame kompioyter, balame thlefwna, ftiajame eswterika kyklwmata gia thn thleorash, tis aiqoyses, tis diapisteyseis. Apo ekei kai pera, to dikasthrio qa pei telika mexri poio shmeio qa epitrepontai oi thleoptikes kai oi radiofwnikes parembaseis. Exei thn eyqynh, ayto kanei to kyriarxo ergo, kai o,ti pei.

IWANNOY: Oles aytes oi probleceis einai se periptwsh poy apagoreytei telika h thleoptikh metadosh. Se periptwsh poy to dikasthrio apofasisei telika na yparjei thleoptikh metadosh, yparxei problech poy qa pane oi kameres na sthqoyn kai ti akribws qa ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn anhsyxeite, einai poly eykolo. An yparjei tetoia apofash toy dikasthrioy, mesa se liges wres qa lysoyme to qema poy lete.

ANTYPAS: Se allo qema. As perasoyme sthn politikh antiparaqesh. H N.D. etoimazei to programma ths, den exei doqei bebaia akoma sth dhmosiothta kai thn idia wra, klimakwnei kai thn antiparaqesh ths me thn kybernhsh. Xqes, (opws kai eseis eixate problecei apo thn aiqoysa ths politikhs enhmerwshs) h N.D. epiteqhke sthn kybernhsh gia to qema twn xeirismwn kai thn antimetwpish ths kakokairias. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, yphrje mia epiqesh kai xqes, h opoia ekdhlwqhke, opws eixame problecei -einai, pleon, problecimh h politikh ths N.D., den yparxei amfibolia gi@ ayto- kai apo ton k. Roysopoylo, alla kai apo ton k. Soyflia, o opoios eqese genikotera politika zhthmata. H N.D. synexizei thn taktikh toy mhdenismoy. Exei mia politikh, xwris programma, xwris na mporei na arqrwsei politiko logo. Poreyetai "etsi kai ws elaxe". Den einai tyxaio, akomh, oti anebale -kata ta dhmosieymata poy yphrjan kai xqes- thn paroysiash toy programmatos ths. Eite giati den qelei na pei tis qeseis ths, eite giati den mporei na arqrwsei sygkekrimeno logo, akribws epeidh exei polles antiqeseis sto eswteriko ths. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti h N.D. protima, akoloyqwntas thn taktikh toy na mh legei kai na mhn kanei tipota, na enallassetai apla, metajy ths katsaridas kai ths lakkoybas. Ayth einai h politikh ths. H enallagh metajy ths katsaridas kai ths lakkoybas. Politikh entypwsewn, alla oxi politikh oysias. Politikh, xwris kanena periexomeno kai prooptikh gia ton ellhniko lao. Alla, o topos den xreiazetai, oyte diapistwtes, oyte katagrafeis. O topos xreiazetai politikh me orama kai prooptikh. O topos xreiazetai kybernhsh kai kybernhth. Kai emeis toy dinoyme ayth th dynatothta, ayth thn prooptikh me to ergo mas, me th doyleia mas, me th synexeia toy, me thn prooptikh mas. Apantame kai sta legomena megala problhmata kai sta legomena problhmata toy polith, poy gia mas einai ejisoy megala. Alla, apantame me mia synolikh politikh poy paei th xwra, thn koinwnia kai ton polith mprosta, beltiwnontas th zwh toy.

IWANNOY: Epibebaiwnei h diaceydei h kybernhsh shmerino dhmosieyma, symfwna me to opoio yparxei eishghsh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo toy k. Neonakh na kopoyn kapoioi boyleytes stis epomenes ekloges kai sygkekrimena h ka Katselh, o k. Krhtikos, o k. Papaqemelhs kai o k. Spyrioynhs; Kai, epishs, epeidh einai synafh ta dhmosieymata, yparxei allo ena, akribws dipla, sto opoio anaferei oti ston epikeimeno anasxhmatismo, symfwna me tis plhrofories ths efhmeridas, kobontai apo thn kybernhsh, eseis, o k. Paxtas, o k. Drys, o k. Xristodoylakhs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, mporoyme na anaqesoyme se ayth thn efhmerida kai sto dhmosiografo poy to egrace, na kanei kai ton anasxhmatismo gia na hsyxasoyme. Na eimaste ki emeis hsyxoi kai na jeroyme me poion exoyme na kanoyme. Omws, gia na sobareytoyme -giati ayta ta dhmosieymata steroyntai ths stoixeiwdoys sobarothtas- oyte kan oneira einai. Dioti, fantazomai, akoma kai gia na oneireyteis, prepei na exeis kapoies dynatothtes. Den ajizei ton kopo na ta sxoliasoyme. Einai pragmatika asteiothtes, poy xarakthrizoyn kai to syggrafea toys, poy mallon mas einai gnwstos. Ths idias empneyshs einai kai to prwto qema poy qesate. Qa mporoysa na pw oti einai qema poy den afora thn kybernhsh, alla apantw giati einai ejofqalma ceydes, den isxyei kai oyte qa mporoyse pote na isxyei. Dioti symfwna me to Katastatiko mas, yparxoyn eidikes probleceis gia toys boyleytes, tis opoies agnooyse aytos poy to egrace kai den mphke ston kopo, oyte na tis diabasei.

IWANNOY: Profanws, qa ennooyse ton polemo poy mporei na ginei se aytoys toys boyleytes, oxi to dikaiwma toys na einai ypochfioi...

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, einai ta gnwsta senaria poy prospaqoyn na dhmioyrgoyn problhmata analoga me toys poioys sympaqei h oxi o syntakths. Den ta qewrw sobara.

SKOYRHS: Akoysa xqes, meta th Diypoyrgikh, ton Prwqypoyrgo na ta bazei me thn Aytodioikhsh ths Qessalonikhs, gia to qema ths mh leitoyrgias forea, toy OKANA. Hqela na sas rwthsw -kai ayto h kybernhsh prepei na to kanei- epeidh milhsate prin gia diapistwtes, poios kyberna kai gia dyomisi xronia den ginetai ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ginei para polla pragmata kai epeidh qigete to qema twn narkwtikwn, qelw na sas pw, gia paradeigma, poies shmantikes allages kai ejelijeis lhfqhkan me th xqesinh apofash. Yparxoyn, omws, orismena qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me th Nomarxiakh kai thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyn doqei polles armodiothtes kai sth Nomarxiakh kai thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Den einai diapistwsh na zhta h kybernhsh apo thn Aytodioikhsh na kanei to kaqhkon ths.

SKOYRHS: Einai qema ths kybernhshs kai oxi ths Aytodioikhshs, anejarthta ean antidra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas tonizw oti merikes antidraseis exoyn na kanoyn me prosfyges, dikastikes apofaseis kai apofaseis toy Symboylioy Epikrateias kai dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Se aytes tis periptwseis prepei na zhtas apo ton allo na staqei me eyqynh.

PITTARAS: Sth sygkekrimenh perioxh, tyxainei na einai kai Nomarxhs kai Dhmarxos ths N.D. O Prwqypoyrgos qa anefere ayto to peristatiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. To exei pei kai gia polles alles periptwseis poy den anhkei o Nomarxhs kai o Dhmarxos sth N.D. O Prwqypoyrgos antimetwpizei thn Aytodioikhsh me ton idio tropo. Einai Prwqypoyrgos olwn twn Ellhnwn. Topoqeteitai se sxesh me ta gegonota kai oxi ta proswpa h ta politika ``pisteyw'' toys.

TSAKIRHS: Synexizontai ta dhmosieymata sthn ``AYRIANH'' me kathgories enantion sygkekrimenwn epixeirhmatiwn gia th drash toys kyriws, oson afora to Xrhmatisthrio. Pisteyete oti telika prepei na epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh gia ola ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Dikaiosynh, opws gnwrizete, hdh asxoleitai me ayth thn ypoqesh. O k. Papaggelopoylos exei labei polles kataggelies kai tis meleta. Einai pleon ston Eisaggelea. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti to qema exei fqasei sto ESR. Ean den kanw laqos, eixe programmatisei na synedriasei xqes gia ayto to qema, alla telika den egine. Exei epilhfqei, opws kai oi alles armodies arxes. Emeis den exoyme, oyte na fobhqoyme, oyte na krycoyme tipota. Opoy yparxoyn qemata poy tiqentai, eite aforoyn to xwro toy Typoy, eite aforoyn to xwro twn epixeirhsewn poy exoyn sxesh mesa apo tis symbaseis me to Dhmosio, eite otidhpote allo, oles aytes oi kataggelies qa ejetastoyn amesa apo ton Eisaggelea.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh xqes, kata th synomilia poy eixan o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Mpoys, plhroforhqhkame oti o Amerikanos Proedros ejefrase thn epiqymia toy na yparjei mia amblynsh ths entashs metajy Eyrwphs kai Amerikhs kai malista eipe oti protiqetai na ergastei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Hqela na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos, ws proedreywn, qa enhmerwsei gi aytes tis proqeseis toy k. Mpoys toys ``15'' omologoys toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys, ginetai enhmerwsh apo ton Proedreyonta se o,ti afora tis diadikasies toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. O Prwqypoyrgos antallassei syxna apoceis, oson afora to qema toy Irak, me toys omologoys toy. Bebaiws, ginetai enhmerwsh kai gia oles aytes tis epikoinwnies. Yparxei synexhs kai anoikth epikoinwnia toy Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy me oloys toys arxhgoys twn kratwn-melwn ths E.E.

KARGOYDH: Den antilhfqhkate na yparxei kati sygkekrimeno ws metafrash aytwn twn proqesewn toy k. Mpoys, oytws wste na enhmerwqoyn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi kati ameso. Htan ekfrash proqesewn kai politikhs.

SKOYRHS: Symfwna me ta stoixeia ths EUROSTAT, to xamhlotero kostos ergasias, meta thn Portogalia, to exei h Ellada. Qa hqela na rwthsw, pros ti oi odhgies toy armodioy ypoyrgoy gia sygkrathsh twn misqwn stis DEKO sto ycos ths eisodhmatikhs politikh; Kai ayto einai anadianomh kai bohqa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edw kai polla xronia, h Ellada einai apo tis xwres-melh ths E.E. me to xamhlotero ergatiko kostos, plhn ths Portogalia kai kapoiwn allwn xwrwn. Den einai twrino fainomeno, einai palio. Sygkrinete mono to ycos twn onomastikwn amoibwn kai oxi to ycos twn onomastikwn amoibwn se sxesh me to kostos zwhs. Den einai idio to kostos zwhs sthn Ellada, th Norbhgia, to Hnwmeno Basileio. Gia na mporoyme na exoyme mia kaqarh eikona, prepei na sygkrinoyme, oxi mono to onomastiko ycos twn apodoxwn, alla to ycos twn apodoxwn se sxesh me to kostos zwhs. Ean to kanoyme, qa doyme oti h Ellada, bebaiws, exei na kalycei mia apostash ws to meso oro -kai peri aytoy den yparxei amfibolia- toy epipedoy zwhs ths Eyrwphs. Alla, ta teleytaia xronia exei ginei mia megalh prospaqeia kai exei kalyfqei ena poly megalo meros toy dromoy. Eixame mia megalh apostash apo to meso oro ths Eyrwphs sto pragmatiko eisodhma. Ena meros ayths ths apostashs to exoyme kalycei. Gia na petyxoyme thn pragmatikh sygklish kai na dhmioyrghsoyme toys oroys eyhmerias toy ellhnikoy laoy poy einai o stoxos mas, prepei na kalycoyme kai to epomeno. Yparxei mia pragmatikothta se o,ti afora thn oikonomia kai ayth einai oti prepei na laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra, gia na prostatecoyme thn oikonomia, tis synqhkes anaptyjhs, tis prooptikes ths apasxolhshs kai thn koinwnikh prostasia apo tis endexomenes arnhtikes synepeies enos polemoy. Milhsa gia tyxon arnhtikes synepeies enos polemoy. Ayto shmainei -opws leei o laos mas- ``twn fronimwn ta paidia prin peinasoyn, mageireyoyn''. Poly swsta o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, lambanei metra me sygkrathsh kai stash eyqynhs. Stoxos einai na diathrhsoyme kai se synqhkes mias apeyktaias dieqnoys yfeshs (apo piqanes ayjhseis twn timwn toy petrelaioy kai genikoterwn plhqwristikwn piesewn, poy qewrhtika mporei na yparjoyn) ychla toys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, na dhmioyrgoyme kalyteres prooptikes gia thn apasxolhsh kai th meiwsh ths anergias. Akoloyqoyme mia stash sygkrathshs kai eyqynhs poy qa mas bohqhsei na jeperasoyme thn krish eykolotera, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme to 2004 na dwsoyme megalyteres ayjhseis kai na ayjhsoyme to deikth koinwnikhs prostasias sthn Ellada. Me thn eykairia ayth, qelw na qymisw oti exoyn ginei kai politikes ayjhshs toy koinwnikoy epipedoy sthn Ellada kai to 2003. Hdh, efarmozetai o forologikos nomos, me ton opoio meiwnetai arketa h parakrathsh foroy gia polloys misqwtoys kai syntajioyxoys, idiaitera ekeinoys poy exoyn mikra kai mesaia eisodhmata. Hdh, ektamieyontai kai qa ektamieyqoyn mexri to telos toy 2003, apo ton kratiko proypologismo, 600 dis draxmes, prokeimenoy na primodothqei to systhma koinwnikhs asfalishs gia na mhn exoyme arnhtikes synepeies se ayton ton tomea. Einai koinwnikh politikh! Ara, loipon, mesa sta stena periqwria, einai logiko to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn na lambanei metra gia na diafylajei thn oikonomia kai thn koinwnia apo tis arnhtikes synepeies enos polemoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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