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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Febroyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Meta thn chfoforia sth Boylh epi ths arxhs toy nomosxedioy gia to epaggelmatiko asymbibasto twn boyleytwn, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane sxetikh dhlwsh, thn opoia gnwrizete.

Se o,ti afora th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, qelw na sas epishmanw orismena qemata:

Eisagwgika, o Prwqypoyrgos anefere oti eixe synomilia me ton k. Sirak gia tis ejelijeis sthn E.E., sxetika me to qema toy Irak. Analogh synomilia qa pragmatopoihqei kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Agglias k. Mpler. Me ton k. Sirak, o Prwqypoyrgos syzhthse tis ektimhseis, oson afora thn synedriash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. H gnwmh toy Galloy Proedroy einai oti ayth th stigmh den einai bebaio ean kapoio apo ta melh toy Symboylioy Asfaleias qa proxwrhsei se kataqesh aithshs gia th lhch apofashs. Anamenontai oi diapragmateyseis metajy twn xwrwn-melwn. Opws jerete, tonise o Prwqypoyrgos, yparxei apofash apo thn pleyra twn HPA na zhthsoyn se kapoia fash epibebaiwsh oti to Irak den symmorfwqhke stis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Apo thn pleyra toys, h Gallia, h Germania, h Rwsia kai h Kina exoyn th qelhsh na doqei akoma xronos gia elegxo, prokeimenoy na diapistwqei ean symmorfwqhke h oxi to Irak, pros tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias kai oti gi` ayto to logo den einai dynato na arxisoyn oi exqroprajies. Ginetai mia maxh taktikhs kai isws den qelei kaneis na parei thn eyqynh gia na xrhsimopoihsei prwtos to beto. Yparxei, loipon, mia ekkremothta kai den mporei kaneis na problecei tis ejelijeis sto Symboylio Asfaleias.

O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy metebh sth Nea Yorkh (paroti arxika problepotan na mhn paei), dioti apo th stigmh poy eixan metabei oi alloi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn, qewrhsame endedeigmeno, idiaitera gia thn proetoimasia ths synanthshs poy qa ginei th Deytera, na einai parwn sth Nea Yorkh. Ayto apofasisthke xqes, meta to meshmeri.

Gia th synanthsh ths Deyteras exei ginei kalh proetoimasia, alla -qelw tonise o Prwqypoyrgos- na epanalabw gia poioys logoys ginetai. Prwta ap` ola, giati prepei na yparxei mia syzhthsh anamesa sta melh ths E.E. gyrw apo tis ejelijeis, giati den einai nohto oi arxhgoi kratwn na syzhtoyn, gia paradeigma, gia to diplwma eyresitexnias kai na mh syzhthsoyn ean qa ginei polemos h oxi. H apoch poy leei ``afhste ta ayta giati den prokeitai na symfwnhsoyme'', den profylassei thn E.E. apo tipota. Aplws, qa diapistwqei, ean den ginei kamia synanthsh, oti den eimaste se qesh oyte kan na syzhthsoyme kai qa yparxei mia genikh katakraygh. Prepei, loipon, na syzhthsoyme kai apo ayth th synanthsh -eipe o Prwqypoyrgos- mporei na yparjei enas koinos paranomasths se merika qemata. Alla kai ean den prokycei tipota, pragma poy den to pisteyw -ypogrammise o Prwqypoyrgos- giati den qeloyn kapoioi na prokycei mia koinh gnwmh se merika basika qemata, kai pali kerdos qa exoyme, giati qa deijoyme oti exei ginei prospaqeia, oti h E.E. syzhta kai prospaqei na brei lyseis. Pera apo tis proetoimasies -eipe o Prwqypoyrgos- qa etoimasoyme kai arketes skeceis, oi opoies qa paroysiastoyn analoga me thn poreia ths syzhthshs kai oxi ek twn proterwn, dioti den qeloyme ej arxhs na desmeyqoyme me th mia h thn allh epimeroys protash. Kai ayto den to qeloyme, giati qeloyme na akoysoyme kai me bash ayta poy qa akoysoyme kai ayta poy qa prokycoyn apo th syzhthsh, qa kaqorisoyme poia mporei na einai h grammh sthn opoia mporei na symfwnhsoyn oloi mazi sthn E.E. Aytos akribws einai kai o rolos ths Proedrias, se telikh analysh.

Sto shmeio ayto, o ypoyrgos anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn Tasos Giannitshs tonise oti yphrxe mia omoqymh epikrothsh apo oles tis paratajeis toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy ths prwtoboylias gia th synanthsh ths Deyteras apo thn pleyra toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto qema toy EKAB. Ejefrase th lyph toy gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy toy EKAB kai to qanato twn melwn toy plhrwmatos toy. Qelw, eipe, na ekfrasw ta syllyphthria moy pros tis oikogeneies twn qymatwn. To EKAB gnwrise tria dystyxhmata ta teleytaia dyo xronia. Einai polla. Einai xreos mas na ejasfalisoyme thn apolyta dynath asfaleia. Kai otan -tonise o Prwqypoyrgos- ta dystyxhmata prokyptoyn apo anqrwpina laqh, opws synebh palaiotera, symfwna me tis diapistwseis twn kata nomo empeirognwmonwn, einai xreos mas na periorizoyme kai ayta akoma ta periqwria yparjhs anqrwpinwn laqwn. Ayto shmainei idiaiterh aysthrothta gia artia ekpaideysh se oles tis draseis poy syndeontai me kindynoys gia thn anqrwpinh zwh, alla kai genikotera gia aysthroterh lhch prolhptikwn metrwn gia asfalesteres pthseis. To ypoyrgeio Ygeias edwse, hdh, entolh na ginei mia synolikh apotimhsh toy pthtikoy ergoy toy EKAB apo tritoys empeirognwmones. O ypoyrgos Ygeias K. Stefanhs phre thn prwtoboylia kai esteile epistolh ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy k. Kroystallakh na kinhtopoihsei tis armodies dikastikes arxes. Ara, h prwtoboylia toy k. Kroystallakh ofeiletai kai sthn kinhsh toy k. Stefanh, sthn prwtoboylia poy phre h kybernhsh. Qeloyme, tonise o Prwqypoyrgos, na diapistwqei ean exei to EKAB ton aparaithto baqmo organwshs kai elegxoy se ola ta epipeda. Pisteyw oti swsta apagoreythkan oi nyxterines pthseis, afoy fainetai oti pragmatopoioyntai ypo synqhkes gia tis opoies ta plhrwmata den einai etoima. To dystyxhma, synexise, egine pali aformh gia mia politikh antiparaqesh, sthn opoia h N.D., h antipoliteysh genikotera, kataballei kaqe dynath prospaqeia na mhdenisei thn opoia proodo exei ginei, na dysfhmisei to ESY kai thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs sto xwro ths ygeias. Ayth th stigmh, omws, einai kalo na qymhqoyme tis ekatontades zwes poy swqhkan xarh stis xiliades diakomides poy ekanan to EKAB kai oi Enoples Dynameis, diakomides poy, opws oloi gnwrizoyme, den htan pantote anagkaies. Gi` ayto, katelhje o Prwqypoyrgos, qelw na sygxarw giatroys, noshleytiko proswpiko kai pilotoys, gia thn me aytaparnhsh prosfora toys.

Sth synexeia, syzhthqhke to qema ths Ygeias, mias kai se ayto to xwro yparxei kai shmantikh proodos, alla yparxoyn kai problhmata. Skopos ths syzhthshs htan na doyme ta problhmata, na prowqhsoyme akoma pio apofasistika thn anabaqmish toy Systhmatos Ygeias, poy exoyme jekinhsei edw kai arketo kairo. Ep` aytoy, egine mia oloklhrwmenh syzhthsh, meta apo eishghseis toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias Kwsta Stefanh kai twn yfypoyrgwn Ektora Nasiwka, Elpidas Tsoyrh kai Dhmhtrh Qanoy.

@ Se o,ti afora to qema toy EKAB, qelw na prosqesw epigrammatika: Prwton, einai safes oti h kybernhsh me parembash ths zhthse na kinhqei h diadikasia apo ton k. Kroystallakh gia thn anagkaia eisaggelikh ereyna.

Deyteron, yparxei enas prosanatolismos, meta kai apo tis aitiaseis twn ergazomenwn, na stamathsoyn oi pthseis, oxi mono th nyxta, pragma poy hdh exei ginei, alla kai thn hmera. Otan yparxei anagkh ameshs diakomidhs asqenwn, na kalyptetai apo alles dhmosies yphresies kai kyriws apo to Strato, alla kai apo to Limeniko, sto baqmo poy ayto mporei na bohqhsei.

Triton, na yparjei apo dieqnh oiko elegxos twn symbasewn poy ypografhkan me thn etairia Helitalia. Giati ayth th stigmh xreiazetai mia eidikh ereyna, prokeimenoy na apofasisoyme ti qa ginei sth synexeia me aytes tis symbaseis.

Me parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta apo eishghsh poy eixe kanei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwstas Skandalidh, apofasisthke na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies gia Eniaio Forea Pthtikwn Meswn. Qa yparjei syskech me toys ypoyrgoys Eqnikhs Amynas, Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Tajhs, Naytilias, Metaforwn, Ygeias kai Pronoias, gia th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy forea kai th leitoyrgia toy me eniaia eyqynh kai sxediasmo, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisoyme kai th megalyterh dynath asfaleia, alla kai to kalytero dynato apotelesma.

@ Katalhgw me thn epishmansh mias topoqethshs poy exei ginei shmera apo to YPEXWDE, gia mia anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy Typoy ths N.D. k. Roysopoyloy, sxetika me thn eyreia parakamch ths Patras. O k. Roysopoylos prospaqhse na dhmioyrghsei thn entypwsh oti yparxoyn sobara problhmata kai sto xwro ayto. To ergo, omws, opws tonizei to YPEXWDE, antapokriqhke sto synolo toy, toso ayto, oso kai ta synodeytika erga, stis terasties posothtes broxoptwshs poy dexqhke o Nomos Axaias. Antiqetws, h N.D. prospaqhse na brei anyparktes blabes, anyparktes astoxies, anyparktes elleiceis, gia na dhmioyrghsei kai pali paraplanhtikes entypwseis. Emfanise ergasies symplhrwshs fytikwn gaiwn kai taktopoihshs swlhnwsewn, san na einai erga dhqen gia thn apokatastash astoxiwn h kaqizhsewn. Yparxoyn kai oria sthn prospaqeia meiwshs twn ergwn, sthn prospaqeia na pesei mia skia panw sto terastio ergo poy exei ginei sth xwra.

@ Epishs, einai sth diaqesh sas mia katastash -epeidh sas to xrwstw apo xqes- sthn opoia fainetai oti mexri 31.12.2002 exoyn pwlhqei 800 elikoptera Agusta-A109, perissotero apo 300 A109 Power kai perissotera A109 Power gia tis metafores asqenwn. Ta elikoptera ayta petoyn se 42 xwres kai anaferetai kai sxetikos katalogos xwrwn poy ta xrhsimopoioyn gia iatrikes yphresies.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mhpws yparxei kai ariqmos atyxhmatwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xqes, teqhke to qema gia ta elikoptera. Sxetika me ta atyxhmata, anaferqhkame se mia seira qematwn, opws ton eniaio kthtiko forea kai alles parembaseis. Alla stoixeia apo to EKAB den exw, alla mporw na ta zhthsw. H apanthsh afora mia xqesinh kai kata th gnwmh moy lanqasmenh epishmansh synadelfoy sas, o opoios prospaqhse na emfanisei ena allo qema.

ARGYROS: Epeidh to teleytaio xroniko diasthma pyknwnoyn kapoia fainomena poy kapoioi qa mporoysan na ta xarakthrisoyn politikh krish kai me aformh to shmerino qema me to asymbibasto, exei dexqei o Prwqypoyrgos eishghseis gia kapoies prwtoboylies h kapoies dynamikes lyseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia poio logo na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos "dynamikes" lyseis. Dynamikes prowqhseis ths politikhs mas yparxoyn kai qa yparxoyn. Otan lete "dynamikes lyseis" fantazomai oti ennoeite kati diaforetiko. Qa hqela, loipon, na moy peite ti ennoeite kai gia poio logo to lete;

ARGYROS: Mia lysh qa htan o anasxhmatismos kai o logos nomizw einai profanhs, meta th shmerinh katastash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den blepw na yparxei logos gia anasxhmatismo. Bebaiws, monon o Prwqypoyrgos apofasizei gia anasxhmatismo, alla blepete oti yparxei logos anasxhmatismoy, ayth th stigmh; An ennoeite oti kati eyrytero symbainei, qa parakaloysa na me rwthsete eyqews. Den blepw gia poio logo na ginei anasxhmatismos.

ARGYROS: Na rwthsw, tote, diaforetika: Yparxei dysareskeia gia th drash kai thn apodosh kapoiwn ypoyrgwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: An yphrxe dysareskeia gia kapoioys ypoyrgoys qa eixan ginei oi sxetikes kinhseis. Den yparxei tetoio qema. O Prwqypoyrgos syntonizei, epiblepei kai prowqei to genikotero kybernhtiko ergo. Epilegei o idios pote yparxei logos anasxhmatismoy, ton kanei kai krinei etsi toys ypoyrgoys. Den yparxei qema.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti exoyme tis katolisqhseis, logw broxoptwsewn me kakotexnies, opws apodeiknyetai se kapoia erga, to gegonos oti exoyme trith ptwsh, mesa se dyo xronia, elikopterwn toy EKAB, me tis analoges kaqe fora peristaseis poy diereynwntai apo tis armodies epitropes kai to gegonos, shmera, oti erxetai gia prwth fora, meta to 1974, nomoqetikh prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, h opoia den perna apo th Boylh -o Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke gia thn chfish toy asymbibastoy- olo ayto mazi dhmioyrgei mai aisqhsh oti h kybernhsh sysswreyei ena klima dysareskeias. H kybernhsh to aisqanetai ayto kai an nai, pws skeptetai na jefygei apo ayto to klima dysareskeias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn entypwsh oti aqroizete teleiws anomoia kai diaforetika metajy toys gegonota. Ena klima dysareskeias h mh kaqorizetai apo seira topoqethsewn stis kybernhtikes epiloges. Gia paradeigma, yparxei dysareskeia gia ton tropo poy xeirizetai h kybernhsh to qema ths ellhnikhs Proedrias kai idiaitera thn krish sto Irak; Yparxei dysareskeia gia th genikoterh politikh ths kybernhshs ston tomea ths oikonomias, otan den exei problhqei mexri twra kamia diaforetikh enallaktikh protash; Bebaiws, yparxoyn problhmata se zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me thn poiothta zwhs toy polith, alla yparxoyn kai kybernhtikes apanthseis s` ayta. Gia paradeigma, xqes, eginan ta egkainia mias idiaitera apotelesmatikhs klinikhs toy IKA, h opoia qa ejyphretei toys asfalismenoys. Synedriase, shmera, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to opoio syzhthse ta problhmata ths Ygeias, gia na yparjei mia apotelesmatikoterh antapokrish mas stis anagkes toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto den exei na kanei me th synexeia ths politikhs mas; Yparxoyn ekatontades-xiliades erga poy synteloyntai taytoxrona se olh thn Ellada. Yphrjan problhmata se ena dromo. Ayto, omws, anairei to synoliko ergo poy exei ginei; Den einai dynato na leitoyrgoyme dhmosiografika. Na pairnoyme, dhladh, thn eikona enos-dyo anomoiwn metajy toys qematwn kai na prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme mia synolikh eikona, oti dhqen yparxei genikotero problhma kata ths kybernhshs.

Kat` arxas, to asymbibasto, den afora thn kybernhsh. Einai mia syntagmatikh epitagh. Exei na kanei me thn ypoxrewsh prowqhshs toy ektelestikoy nomoy toy Syntagmatos. Qelw na sas qymisw oti to sxetiko arqro eixan chfisei kai 40 boyleytes ths N.D. O k. Barbitsiwths, malista, o opoios apoysiaze shmera apo th Boylh, to eixe eishghqei kiolas. Eprepe na ginei kapoios nomos. Aytos o nomos afora ton ellhniko lao; Exei kaneis tetoia entypwsh; Perimene o ellhnikos laos, me agwnia, an qa chfistei h oxi o sxetikos nomos; To qema ayto, bebaiws, htan mia syntagmatikh epitagh, alla aforoyse kaqara ta qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn afosiwsh twn boyleytwn sto leitoyrghma toys. Kai an kapoios telika exase politika kai hqika apo th shmerinh chfoforia -dioti qa efarmostei to Syntagma sto synolo toy- einai aytos poy htan kata toy asymbibastoy h aytos poy qewroyse oti mporoyse na katastrathghsei to Syntagma. Oi xamenoi einai ekeinoi poy apokalycan ston ellhniko lao oti "o kaygas htan gia to paplwma". Htan gia thn prostasia kai thn perifroyrhsh proswpikwn symferontwn. Idiaitera, bebaiws, to komma ths N.D. edeije mia ekplhktikh diglwssia kai asynepeia.

Den einai dynaton, otan 40 boyleytes ths N.D. chfizoyn to sxetiko arqro toy Syntagmatos, otan yparxei eishghsh toy k. Barbitsiwth, shmera aytoi na chfizoyn antiqeta kai o k. Barbitsiwths na apoysiazei. Exei xaqei kaqe ennoia sobarothtas kai eyqynhs. Exoyme mia ekplhktikh qesmikh anakoloyqia kai, se telikh analysh, den exoyme thn apoch ths N.D. epi toy qematos.

Einai, loipon, to idio ayto me ta zhthmata poy aforoyn ton ellhniko lao; Bebaiws, oxi. H kybernhsh synexizei th doyleia ths. O Prwqypoyrgos einai epikefalhs ths kybernhshs kai qa synexisei th doyleia toy. Me thn oloklhrwsh ths doyleias mas, qa kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao. Ean h antipoliteysh exei allh apoch, as thn pei. Perimenoyme tis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh gia na topoqethqoyme.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, sth dhlwsh toy, alla kai o k. Benizelos, se dhlwsh poy ekane meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, eipan oti h nomoqetikh prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs teleiwse. Hrqe o nomos, den perase, isxyei to apolyto toy Syntagmatos. Se periptwsh, kata thn opoia, giati ekfrasthke tetoia apoch apo boyleytes toy PASOK poy den chfisan to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, paroyn aytoi th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia kai feroyn aytoi ektelestiko nomo ws protash nomoy, eseis qa to dexqeite h qa toys apotrecete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa kanoyme ayto poy epiballei h stash eyqynhs poy exoyme akoloyqhsei. Dhladh, pisth thrhsh toy pneymatos kai toy grammatos toy Syntagmatos.

MIXAHL: H apanthsh sas, kata thn apoch moy, den einai plhrhs. Oi boyleytes synadelfoi sas ferontai apofasismenoi na feroyn aytoi ena nomo, kat` entolh toy Syntagmatos, lene oti qa einai kai syntagmatikos, entos toy plaisioy ths sxetikhs diatajhs, gia na isxysei aytos o nomos. Me dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti den qa parete allh prwtoboylia kai o k. Benizelos oti teleiwse to qema, exei kleisei oristika to qema gia thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema gia thn kybernhsh exei kleisei. Isxyei to apolyto asymbibasto me bash to Syntagma. Oi boyleytes poy den to chfisan, energhsan kata syneidhsh kai den yparxei kanena qema, dioti den eixe teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias. Opws sas eipa kai xqes, to qema den aforoyse kybernhtikh proteraiothta h kybernhtiko ergo, alla htan qema prowqhshs ektelestikoy nomoy gia thn ylopoihsh toy Syntagmatos. O kaqenas leitoyrghse kata syneidhsh.

ANTYPAS: Gnwrizw oti nomika den yparxei problhma. Aplws, omws, epeidh to teleytaio trimhno-tetramhno toy 2002 eixame mparaz diafhmisewn sthn thleorash kai tis efhmerides apo tis Trapezes, toso gia ta stegastika, oso kai gia ta katanalwtika daneia kai me thn allagh toy etoys blepoyme ayjhsh, politika pisteyete mhpws qa eprepe h kybernhsh, me bash toys mhxanismoys ths agoras kai toy sebasmoy ths oikonomias ths, na eixe xeiristei to qema kapws diaforetika, wste na mh dhmioyrgeitai h aisqhsh stoys polites oti epesan qymata apo tis trapezes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei h kybernhsh na apagoreysei se idiwtikes epixeirhseis na kanoyn th diafhmish toys;

ANTYPAS: Na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh moy: H kybernhsh elegje an oi Trapezes elaban ypoch ta stoixeia poy prepei na syntrexoyn gia na ayjhsoyn ta epitokia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei dioikhtikos periorismos.

ANTYPAS: Qymizw oti, akomh kai gia ta kymainomena epitokia, yparxoyn kapoioi kanones.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta den kaqorizontai dioikhtika. Opws gnwrizete, o elegxos ginetai apo thn Trapeza ths Elladas. Yparxei, omws, ena qema oysias. Yparxei ayth h ayjhsh twn epitokiwn poy dhmioyrgei problhmata ston katanalwth. Ekeino poy qeloyme na tonisoyme einai oti oi Trapezes prepei na laboyn ola ta anagkaia metra kai na kanoyn tis prosarmoges toys, wste kai na ejyphrethsoyn swsta to koino kai na prostateysoyn ton katanalwth kai na prosferoyn sth genikoterh anaptyjiakh prospaqeia ths xwras.

ANTYPAS: Me ayth thn apofash symballoyn sthn anaptyjiakh prospaqeia ths xwras kai thn prostasia toy katanalwth;

PRWTOPAPAS: H dhlwsh ayth ta leei ola.

ARGYROS: Stis Trapezes, gia paradeigma sta stegastika daneia, sta opoia yparxei terastia anaptyjh to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, yphrxan dyo eidh, ta kymainomena kai ta staqera. Anakalycan enan paraplanhtiko tropo. Miloysan gia stegastika staqera...

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn arxes. An yparxei kati paraplanhtiko apo tis Trapezes, h armodia arxh qa parembei. Einai safes. Den mporoyme edw na syzhthsoyme ena-ena ayta ta qemata. Politika, topoqethqhka.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, bebaiws tonisate oti den eixe teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias kata th shmerinh chfoforia sth Boylh. Wstoso, den einai ena zhthma to gegonos oti boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos oysiastika den peiqarxhsan sth qesh ths Kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws jerete, symfwna me to Syntagma, oi boyleytes prattoyn kata syneidhsh sth Boylh. Apo kei kai pera, h kybernhsh den eqese qema kommatikhs peiqarxias h qema empistosynhs. Eipe eyqarsws, ws ofeilei, thn apoch ths ston ellhniko lao, ypedeije mia stash eyqynhs se sxesh me thn thrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai meiname ekei. Apo kei pera, o kaqenas krinetai.

GIANNISHS: Se allo qema: Epeidh yparxei tosos qorybos gyrw apo ta elikoptera kai eidika gia th xrhsh twn enaeriwn meswn ta opoia anhkoyn stis Enoples Dynameis h se alloys kratikoys foreis, xqes kata paraklhsh toy Yfypoyrgoy Aqlhtismoy k. Lianh, diateqhke elikoptero ths Polemikhs Aeroporias gia na kaqarisei to ghpedo toy OFH apo ta nera. Xrhsimopoioyntai elikoptera ths Polemikhs Aeroporias san "sesoyar";

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqw gia to peristatiko ayto kai qa sas apanthsw.

KARGOYDH: Ikanos ariqmos kybernhtikwn boyleytwn ektima oti mporei na shmeiwqhke ayth h diaforopoihsh s' ena elasson qema, opws to topoqethsate ki eseis, gi' ayto akribws epilexqhke ena elasson qema, alla wstoso prokeitai gia ton prwto pyrobolismo mias taktikhs h opoia qa anaptyxqei sto prosexes mellon. Qa hqela na rwthsw an exete analoges plhrofories, ektimhseis, giati prokeitai peri ikanoy ariqmoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kamia tetoia entypwsh. An kapoioi shmera exasan, einai ekeinoi oi opoioi htan antipaloi toy asymbibastoy kai ekeinoi oi opoioi prospaqoysan na broyn tropoys gia thn katastrathghsh toy Syntagmatos. Apo kei kai pera qa deite, oti qema genikotero den yparxei kai den qa yparjei kai sta epomena nomosxedia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den yparxei genikotero qema. Qa prepei na qymhqoyme oti ektos apo to asymbibasto poy eixame shmera, pro hmerwn eixame sthn Epitroph ton Yfypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Malesio, o opoios phre pisw th symbash me tis HPA . Den einai, loipon, to monadiko fainomeno, opws eipate prohgoymenws kai hqela na moy peite, poso eytyxhs mporei na niwqei @

PRWTOPAPAS: Den katalabainw. Jerete posoys nomoys chfise teleytaia h Boylh kai poses symbaseis; Egw exw ypogracei -typikh einai h diadikasia ths ypografhs - apo o,ti qymamai peripoy 50 -60 paromoies symbaseis, me alles xwres ennow, ton teleytaio kairo. Jerete posoys nomoys exei chfisei h Boylh ta teleytaia dyo xronia;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa einai poly megalos ariqmos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Caxnete na breite, loipon, ena nomo o opoios den aforoyse to kybernhtiko ergo, alla mia ypoxrewsh, aporreoysa ek toy Syntagmatos kai mia symbash poy syzhthqhke sthn Epitroph, h opoia profanws qa teqei jana pros syzhthsh me tis diorqwseis poy proteinan oi boyleytes kai poy den dhmioyrgei kanena qema. Kai egw, otan kateqesa pros syzhthsh ena nomosxedio sth Boylh kai fantazomai otan kataqesw kai to epomeno, qa dexqw tropologies, qa kanw diorqwseis, beltiwseis. Einai synhqhs diadikasia. Alliws, giati kataqetoyme ta nomosxedia sth Boylh; Poios einai o rolos ths Boylhs;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Edw exoyme kroysmata "apeiqarxias"@ Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena kroysma apeiqarxias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kai malista einai toy teleytaioy kairoy. Den eixame ta prohgoymena xronia tetoia fainomena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn ta dhmioyrgoyme dhmosiografika.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ta gegonota den dhmioyrgoyntai apo mas, giati se gegonota anaferomai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh lete oti den dhmioyrgoyntai. Mhn eiste toso bebaios.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ta dhmioyrgw egw; Egw aplws perigrafw mia katastash. Ti exete na mas peite telos pantwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn kroysmata apeiqarxias. Eipate oti eixe teqei qema "peiqarxias"@

KANELLOPOYLOS: Se eisagwgika.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oyte eisagwgika. Dhladh, o boyleyths ti qa kanei; Qa meinei siwphros gia opoiadhpote symbash h nomo; Den qa ekfrasei tis apoceis toy; Den qa proteinei beltiwseis; Dhladh, qeloyme toys boyleytes na einai enas loxos o opoios peiqarxei en leykw sta keleysmata toy ypoyrgoy;

An qelei h kybernhsh na qesei qema peiqarxias se ena meizonos shmasias nomosxedio, to kanei eyqews. Gia paradeigma, qelw na qymisw oti prin apo ton Proypologismo eixame pei oti yparxei qema empistosynhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Milame gia kybernhtikoys boyleytes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai gia boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs milame. O k. Barbitsiwths, gia paradeigma, diafwnhse anoikta kai shmera eleipe.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Egw den rwthsa gia ton k. Barbitsiwth kai den me afora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Endiaferei emena.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Egw anaferomai sth stash kai th symperifora twn boyleytwn toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: An cajete, qa breite kai boyleytes toy PASOK kai boyleytes ths N.D. kai boyleytes toy SYN, oi opoioi kata kairoys se epimeroys arqra, tropologies, qemata, exoyn ekfrasei diaforetikh apoch kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs sth Boylh. Alimono! Poia qa htan h Dhmokratia mas, an eixame loxoys;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Milame gia toys kybernhtikoys boyleytes.

PRWTOPAPAS: A, einai kalh h diafwnia ths antipoliteyshs kai kakh h diafwnia ths sympoliteyshs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Egw qelw na peite gia toys dikoys sas boyleytes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Peripesate se antifaseis, opws lene sta dikasthria.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Se kamia antifash. Eseis prospaqeite na me parasyrete se syzhthsh gia boyleytes allwn kommatwn, gia toys opoioys omws egw den qetw erwthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas exw apanthsei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Prin apo dyo xronia o Prwqypoyrgos, epikaloymenos th dhmioyrgia enos klimatos to opoio den ton bohqoyse gia thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, eixe epilejei th lysh toy ektaktoy Synedrioy toy PASOK. Gnwrizei o k. Shmiths, thn periodo ayth poy dianyoyme, oti to klima einai katallhlo gia thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy me poly megala qemata mprosta; Efoson kai eseis eipate shmera oti h kybernhsh epilegei oti qa kriqei gia to kybernhtiko ergo ths sto telos ths tetraetias; Qewreite oti einai katallhlo to klima;

PRWTOPAPAS: To klima diamorfwnetai apo th doyleia mas kai ta apotelesmata ths. Gnwrizete, ejalloy, opws polles fores to exete diapistwsei, oti otan exoyme qetika apotelesmata se mia seira zhthmata kybernhtikoy ergoy, to klima ginetai poly kalytero. Panta yparxoyn problhmata kai panta ta antimetwpizoyme. Proxwroyme mprosta, lynontas ta problhmata poy anakyptoyn.

MIXAHL: Diabazoyme tis teleytaies hmeres mia arqrografia, oti o k. Shmiths, piqanon, na aposyrqei apo thn hgesia toy PASOK kai kapoios allos na odhghsei to PASOK se ekloges. Kai en pash periptwsei ayto poy qa htan kalytero, isws, gia polloys einai na toys paramerisei o Prwqypoyrgos h na afhsei to dromo gia kapoio allo diadoxo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den asxoleitai h kybernhsh me thn anaptyjh eyfantastwn senariwn. Ayta qa meinoyn sto epipedo toy senarioy kai toy oneiroy. Den prokeitai na pragmatopoihqoyn. To exoyme pei para polles fores. As to katalaboyme kala. O Kwstas Shmiths qa oloklhrwsei thn tetraetia kai qa einai epikefalhs toy PASOK kai stis epomenes ekloges. Kai qa diekdikhsei thn chfo toy laoy kai th nikh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Se allo qema. H kybernhsh ws exoysa kai thn Proedria, ayth thn periodo, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, qa hqela na rwthsw me aformh kai thn empeiria toy parelqontos, an exei plhrws kleisei to endexomeno enos xtyphmatos sto Irak, akoma kai thn hmera poy qa diejagetai h Synodos Koryfhs stis Bryjelles. To rwtw ayto, dioti se mia palaioterh Synodo, toy Berolinoy, emeis syzhtoysame gia eirhnh kai oi Amerikanoi xtypoysan.

PRWTOPAPAS: H problech sas afora ena idiaitera zofero senario, dhladh thn nte fakto kinhsh toy polemoy apo kapoies dynameis, profanws, ennoeite tis HPA. Koitajte, den mporei na apokleisei kaneis tipota. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti h katastash poy exei diamorfwqei sto Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE, anamfibola qa ephreasei oloys. Gi` ayto, qa elega na perimenoyme th synedriash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, giati kai oi laoi krinoyn. Kai einai safes oti ayth h syzhthsh qa exei mia idiaiterh barythta. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti oi hgetes olwn twn xwrwn kai idiaitera twn megalyterwn, qa laboyn ypoch toys kai to klima poy yparxei stoys laoys, stis koinwnies twn xwrwn toys kai ta pragmatika zhthmata poy qa teqoyn pros syzhthsh sto Symboylio Asfaleias. As meinoyme ekei shmera.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia th systash toy eniaioy forea pthsewn. Pote problepete na dhmioyrghqei o eniaios foreas kai poios qa ton epopteyei; Mas eipate oti prosanatolizetai h kybernhsh sto na apagoreytoyn kai oi pthseis apo to EKAB kai kata th diarkeia ths hmeras@

PRWTOPAPAS: Pros to paron.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Giati prin apo ligo, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, kybernhtikos paragontas mas plhroforoyse oti molis teleiwsei h apergia, qa petoyn kanonika to prwi ta elikoptera toy EKAB.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje sxetikh dhlwsh apo ton ypoyrgo Ygeias sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oti prosanatolizetai, pros to paron kai mexri thn ejetash apo kapoio dieqnh oiko oloy toy plegmatos ths symbashs ths Alitalia, na mhn pragmatopoioyntai kai oi prwines pthseis. Den xrhsimopoihse ton oro "apagoreysh" . H apagoreysh qa isxyei gia tis nykterines pthseis, alla na mhn pragmatopoioyntai parallhla kai oi prwines pthseis mexris, otoy jekaqarisei to zhthma. Aytos einai enas prosanatolismos, o opoios den exei kleisei, den einai oristikos. Genikotera, gi` aytes tis hmeres, exei ginei symfwnia na kalyptoyn oi Enoples Dynameis to keno tetoiwn pthsewn. Tis epomenes meres qa lhfqoyn apofaseis, meta kai apo thn ejetash twn sxetikwn symbasewn me thn Alitalia, wste na exoyme oloklhrwmenh eikona gia to olo to plegma twn pthsewn toy EKAB kai twn texnikwn problhmatwn poy dhmioyrghqhkan.

Oson afora to allo zhthma poy qesate, qa prowqhsoyme poly syntoma th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy forea, thn epopteia toy opoioy qa exei to YPEQA, epeidh diaqetei ton pio katallhlo ejoplismo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sxetika me th synodo ths Deyteras, yparxei symbibastikh protash ths Aqhnas stis diaforetikes qeseis twn etairwn gia thn krish sto Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa anoijei h syzhthsh kai sthn poreia ths, ean diafainontai oi dynatothtes enos symbibasmoy kai kapoias katalhjhs, safws qa diatypwqoyn kai analoges protaseis. Den qa kanoyme ek twn proterwn oloklhrwmenh kinhsh. Kai prosejame poly, opws eidate, na mh qewrhqei oti h kinhsh mas ayth ws Proedria apoblepei sth sthrijh ths a' h ths b' protashs. Stoxos einai na anoijoyme to dialogo kai mesa apo to klima toy dialogoy na anazhthsoyme tropoys eniaias ekfrashs, me parembaseis, fysika, ths Proedrias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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