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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Febroyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos eixe to prwi synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy gia th synanthsh Koryfhs ths Deyteras. Opws gnwrizete, qa prohghqei h atyph Synodos twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn. H anaxwrhsh ths dhmosiografikhs apostolhs exei prosdioristei gia thn Kyriakh, stis 15.00. Gia tis akribeis diadikasies ths enhmerwshs sas, qa gnwrizete tis epomenes hmeres. Giati, qa prepei na kaqoristoyn prwta oi synanthseis kai katopin qa doyme pws qa ginoyn oi synenteyjeis, gia thn plhrh enhmerwsh sas, oi opoies bebaiws qa einai synenteyjeis ths Proedrias. Antikeimeno, opws gnwrizete, ths diadikasias ayths einai kat` ejoxhn h krish sto Irak kai deytereyontws qemata poy syndeontai me ayth thn krish, opws einai h eirhneytikh diadikasia sth M. Anatolh kai oi genikoteroi elegxoi sthn anaptyjh oplwn mazikhs katastrofhs.

Qelw, epishs, na tonisw oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn qa erqei stis Bryjelles proerxomenos apo to Kairo, opoy -ws apotelesma kai ths periodeias poy ekane prosfata sth Mesh Anatolh- exei klhqei apo th Synodo twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn toy Arabikoy Syndesmoy, poy pragmatopoieitai Kyriakh prwi sto Kairo, na anaptyjei tis qeseis kai tis prwtoboylies ths E.E., ws Proedria ths Enwshs, gyrw apo ta qemata ayta. Kati poy einai idiaitera shmantiko kai prepei na to tonisoyme.

Prin apo th synanthsh Koryfhs, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthseis me ton k. Pronti, ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Koj kai ton k. Solana. Akomh, den exoyn prosdioristei xronika oi epafes aytes. Prokeitai gia tis qesmikes synanthseis poy panta prohgoyntai ths opoiasdhpote synanthshs Koryfhs. Epishs, yparxei periptwsh na yparjei synanthsh me ton G.G. toy OHE -ean erqei telika stis Bryjelles- Kofi Anan.

Sth shmerinh syskech sto Megaro Majimoy, paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, ektos apo thn proetoimasia ths synanthshs Koryfhs ths Deyteras, syzhthqhkan kai oi genikoteres ejelijeis gyrw apo to Kypriako, idiaitera enocei ths eleyshs toy G.G. toy OHE, stis 25 Febroyarioy, sthn Aqhna.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei to prwi ths Kyriakhs, mporei na exei epafes me ton k. Pronti, ton k. Koj h ton k. Solana to prwi ths Kyriakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, bebaia. O Prwqypoyrgos den qa exei fqasei to prwi ths Kyriakhs, stis Bryjelles. Opws synhqws ginetai, etsi kai ayth th fora qa eiste enhmeroi gia oles tis ejelijeis.

KALARITHS: Exei h kybernhsh kapoia plhroforhsh, kapoia neotera gia to an exoyn arxisei diadikasies gia ena deytero chfisma ston OHE; An, dhladh, yparxei diplwmatikh "zymwsh" gia ena deytero chfisma;

PRWTOPAPAS: An rwtate gia to Symboylio Asfaleias ths Paraskeyhs, einai aytonohto oti qa ginontai zymwseis metajy twn melwn toy. Anamenetai h ekqesh ths Epitrophs toy k. Mplij kai toy k. Mparantei. Apo ekei kai pera, fantazomai -opws kai eseis eykola antilambaneste- oti yparxei enas genikoteros problhmatismos. Oloi meletoyn ta dedomena, syzhtoyn kai ekei qa fanei ti prepei na proxwrhsei kai ti oxi. Den mporoyme na to gnwrizoyme apo twra.

KALARITHS: Sygnwmh, rwtw ean yparxei kati neotero, kati sygkekrimeno.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kati sygkekrimeno, den gnwrizw ayth th stigmh. Einai poly liges hmeres mexri to Symboylio, oloi exoyn kanei tis sxetikes proetoimasies.

FILHS: O k. Papandreoy qa paei sto Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE ayth th fora;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, oxi.

FILHS: Apo tis Bryjelles metadidetai oti yparxei mia "zymwsh" metajy twn 15 etairwn h metajy kapoiwn dynamewn anamesa stoys "15", gia na anablhqei h teleth ypografhs twn symfwniwn prosxwrhshs twn newn xwrwn sthn E.E. kai na mhn ginei stis 16/4, opws eixe anakoinwqei, alla na ginei kapoia allh hmeromhnia poy qa kaqoristei. Exei perielqei se gnwsh sas kapoia sxetikh plhroforia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi kai den krinoyme oti yparxei kapoios logos, mexri ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme. Den exei teqei kati tetoio mexri twra kai den gnwrizoyme tipota sxetiko.

KALARITHS: H ellhnikh Proedria skeftetai na qesei sth synanthsh ths Deyteras to qema enos deyteroy chfismatos, twra, tis epomenes hmeres; Na labei kapoia sxetikh prwtoboylia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE prohgeitai ths prwtoboylias mas.

KALARITHS: Ara, rwtw an protiqetai na labei sxetikh prwtoboylia prin, twra, na qesei to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh Proedria exei qesei mia seira zhthmata, ta opoia exoyn ekfrastei kai dia twn prwtoboyliwn poy exoyme analabei kai dia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sth Nea Yorkh, alla kai me thn apofash toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, stis 27 Ianoyarioy. Oi prwtoboylies aytes exoyn safes politiko periexomeno. To politiko periexomeno einai na anazhthqoyn eirhnikoi tropoi epilyshs ths krishs sto Irak. Den yparxei kati na prosqesoyme s` ayto. Ta ypoloipa, qa ta poyme th Deytera.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh sthrizei th gallogermanikh protash eirhneyshs; Rwtw, giati xqes akoysame oti toylaxiston ta 11 apo ta 15 melh toy Symboylioy Asfaleias thn sthrizoyn. Poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, ws proedreyoysas toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H xwra poy proedreyei toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy prepei na lambanei ola ta anagkaia metra, wste na mporei na katalhgei kai to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. Exoyme ekfrastei epi ths oysias. H qesh mas einai safhs. Ean qeleis na yparjei mia qetikh katalhjh stis prwtoboylies, opws emeis epidiwkoyme, ean qeleis na yparjei ejasfalish kai prowqhsh ths eniaias stashs ths Eyrwphs, prepei na frontizeis, wste sto plaisio ths Proedrias, na enswmatwnontai oles oi apoceis stis telikes prwtoboylies. Ean h ellhnikh Proedria elege oti sthrizei thn alfa h th bhta protash, aytomata qa ypobaqmize to rolo ths ws Proedria. Exoyme safh qesh epi ths oysias. Exoyme milhsei politika me safhneia kai eyqynh. Eimaste yper ths eirhnhs kai ths eirhnikhs epilyshs ths diaforas. Ws Proedria qa laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra, qa kanoyme oles tis anagkaies prospaqeies, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisoyme katalhjh, sth synanthsh ths Deyteras. Den gnwrizw ean telika ayto qa epiteyxqei. Kratoyme panta thn epifylajh mas, ejaitias ths yparjhs pollwn kai diaforetikwn apocewn. Qa anaptyjoyme thn prospaqeia ayth, giati ayto epiballei kai o qesmikos rolos mas, alla kai h baqia pisth mas sthn eniaia stash ths Eyrwphs. Ara, to kalytero poy exei na kanei h Proedria einai na topoqeteitai epi ths oysias kai oxi memonwmena stis epimeroys protaseis, poy oles ajiologoyntai, exoyn th dikh toys shmasia, symballoyn qetika kai mporei na ajiopoihqoyn.

KARGOYDH: Epibebaiwnete ena dhmosieyma symfwna me to opoio h Bretania htan h xwra poy proteine na paroyn meros kai oi ypo entajh xwres sthn Atyph Synodo ths Deyteras, oytws wste na dieyrynqei h synqesh ths Synodoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anthllaghsan polles apoceis. Den einai dynato na ginei kati tetoio, giati den einai Synodos, einai synanthsh Koryfhs. Gnwrizete oti ayth h synanthsh Koryfhs qa ginotan, oytws allws, me toys "15". Apo kei kai pera, h Proedria den eixe kamia antirrhsh na kanei mia analogh syzhthsh gia na enhmerwsei kai tis ypo dieyrynsh xwres kai -opws jerete- h synanthsh ayth programmatizetai na ginei thn Trith. Mhn dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Kata th diarkeia twn diereynhsewn poy eixan ginei, yphrjan polles kai diaforetikes apoceis kai problhmatismoi. Arxika, eixan diatypwqei problhmatismoi apo mia seira xwrwn. Telika, omws, egine dynato -aytos, allwste, einai o rolos ths Proedrias- na yparjei synqesh olwn twn apocewn kai na ftasoyme s` ayta poy apofasisthkan. Den anadeiknyoyme diafores, prepei na tis enswmatwnoyme kai na proxwroyme thn Eyrwph mprosta.

MPOTWNHS: Me aformh thn ayrianh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia qemata ygeias, kai me bash ayto to tragiko gegonos poy synebh me to elikoptero, skeftetai h kybernhsh me bash kai tis protaseis poy exoyn ginei apo thn POEDIN, na allajei kai ton tropo aerometaforas asqenwn, kai ean qa synexistei h symbash me thn etaireia poy exei analabei tis aerometafores;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh lambanei ola ta aparaithta metra, wste oi aerometafores toy EKAB na einai oso to dynaton pio asfaleis kai na mhn qrhnoyme anqrwpines zwes. Gnwrizete oti exei katablhqei kaqe dynath prospaqeia, wste na yparxei swsth synthrhsh, swsth ejyphrethsh kai efarmogh olwn twn orwn asfaleias stis pthseis twn elikopterwn. Eixame ta sygkekrimena dystyxhmata. Diereynwntai ta aitia. Exoyme to prwto porisma. Kai ap` o,ti plhroforhqhka apo ton k. Tsolakh, eimaste sto teliko stadio ths ekdoshs kai toy deyteroy porismatos. Ara, o texnikos elegxos yparxei, h ereyna oloklhrwnetai. Apo kei kai pera, labame prosqeta metra. O ypoyrgos Ygeias ejhggeile thn apagoreysh twn nyxterinwn pthsewn. Diapistwnetai oti, para th shmantikh ekpaideysh poy eixan oi pilotoi, th nyxta ta problhmata pollaplasiazontai. Einai safes oti dhmioyrgoyntai prosqeta problhmata, idiaitera otan prokeitai gia pthseis pros ta nhsia, se apomakrysmenes perioxes, poy einai ekteqeimenes se idiaitera dyskola kai dysxerh kairika fainomena. H kybernhsh, loipon, qa ejetasei to qema ths symbashs me thn HELLITALIA, h opoia, ws gnwston, lhgei to 2003. Otan epilejei na proxwrhsei se nea symbash, qa labei ypoch oles tis anagkaies kinhseis poy xreiazontai, wste na ejasfalisoyme th megalyterh dynath asfaleia. Allwste, oloi qeloyme na apofeygoyme tetoia dystyxhmata. Qelw akomh na tonisw oti yparxei synolikh ejetash toy plegmatos leitoyrgias kai toy kanonismoy ths yphresias toy EKAB, opws ejhggeile xqes o ypoyrgos Ygeias K. Stefanhs. Exoyme ekfrasei th lyph mas giati kai pali qrhnhsame anqrwpines zwes. Epeidh, omws, afhnontai polla yponooymena gi` ayta ta elikoptera, tonizw oti ta promhqeythkame me dhmosio dieqnh diagwnismo, den ta epilejame etsi ayqaireta. Sas ypenqymizw oti peripoy 200 tetoia elikoptera petoyn se oles tis xwres. Prosfata malista yphrje mia mazikh agora analogwn elikopterwn apo tis limenikes yphresies twn HPA. Ara, den petoyn mono sthn Ellada. Qewroyntai elikoptera ychloy epipedoy kai malista einai idiaitera akriba.

FILHS: Gnwrizete statistika stoixeia gia atyxhmata twn elikopterwn aytwn, pagkosmiws, giati mas anaferate pagkosmia stoixeia. Synepws, na doyme ean yparxei kapoio idiaitero problhma sthn Ellada me ayta ta elikoptera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Stoixeia den exw proxeira. Ekeino poy exw na pw einai oti safws einai diaforetikoi oi kanonismoi apo xwra se xwra. Twra, gia paradeigma, o k. Stefanhs apagoreyse tis nyxterines pthseis. Yphrje enas diaforetikos kanonismos se o,ti afora tis periptwseis twn asqenwn poy metaferontai. Den isxyei o idios kanonismos se oles tis xwres, oyte einai idia h katastash se kaqe periptwsh dedomenoy oti ta nhsia, einai ekteqeimena, ek twn pragmatwn, se dysxerh kairika fainomena. Fysiko einai na yparxei mia diaforopoihsh apo xwra se xwra, gyrw apo ta qemata twn orwn, twn proypoqesewn kai twn synqhkwn poy petoyn ta elikoptera. Emeis edw prepei na broyme tis kalyteres dynates synqhkes. Lhfqhkan epiprosqeta metra, me th xqesinh apofash toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai bebaia, h ereyna qa proxwrhsei sto olo plegma leitoyrgias aytwn twn yphresiwn. Diereynwntai ta panta.

FILHS: Mporei na apodeixqei oti htan laqos poy ta promhqeythkame;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeino poy prepei na doyme einai oi synqhkes pthshs. Gia paradeigma, yparxei ereyna toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias poy arxizei me th xqesinh entolh toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias K. Stefanh, se o,ti afora tis periptwseis, iatrikes ennow, poy ginetai diakomidh asqenwn me ayta ta elikoptera. Apo o,ti diapistwqhke den yphrxan apolyta sygkekrimenoi kanones. Kai ayto qa ereynhqei. Apagoreyqhkan oi nyxterines pthseis. Kai ayto einai ena prosqeto metro. Alla, qelw na sas qymisw, oti kykloforoyn 200 tetoia elikoptera ston kosmo shmera, oti xrhsimopoioyntai apo kratikes yphresies kai malista yphrje prosfata promhqeia apo th limenikh yphresia twn HPA. Den nomizw oti to limeniko twn HPA den jerei ti agorazei.

FILHS: Twra poy apagoreythke h metafora twn asqenwn th nyxta, qa analabei to ergo ayto se periptwseis poy krinontai anagkaies...

PRWTOPAPAS: Akrws anagkaies. Opws gnwrizete yparxei h dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas...

FILHS: Allo h dynatothta. Poios analambanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa kriqei kai ayto amesa. Yparxei h prosfora toy stratoy. Ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, to qema ayto qa apasxolhsei kai thn ayrianh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Bebaia, gia na mhn yparjei parejhghsh ekei qa syzhthqoyn ola ta qemata toy ergoy mas sto xwro ths ygeias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh o ypoyrgos Ygeias xqes proxwrhse se mia apofash xwris na perimenei to porisma, dhladh, apagoreyse tis nyxterines pthseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan mia amesh apofash toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Nai, xwris na jeroyme gia poio logo epese to elikoptero, mporei na einai mhxanikh blabh, mporei na einai h pthsh th nyxta k.l.p. Ean pesei ena elikoptero kai thn hmera, qa apagoreysete kai tis hmerhsies pthseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Katalabainete poly kala kai to jerete isws poly kalytera apo mena oti oi synqhkes einai diaforetikes thn hmera ap` o,ti th nyxta. Epomenws, h erwthsh sas apantatai me mia aplh skech, thn opoia mporeite na kanete, fantazomai.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate oti exoyn lhfqei ola ta anagkaia metra gia oso to dynaton pio asfaleis pthseis. To prohgoymeno diasthma eixan bgei diafores ekqeseis kai o k. Nikhtas Kaklamanhs, apo th N.D., alla kai alla dhmosieymata kai o k. Papadopoylos poy htan prwhn sto EKAB, edwsan diafores ekqeseis sth dhmosiothta, symfwna me tis opoies ola ayta ta elikoptera paroysiazan synexeis blabes kai ekanan polles anagkastikes prosgeiwseis. Qelw na sas pw, dhladh, oti yparxei ena qema...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei dienerghqei ereyna gyrw apo th leitoyrgia twn elikopterwn. Se olo ton kosmo, ayth th stigmh -ap` o,ti plhroforhqhka xqes kai oi plhrofories moy proerxontai apo ereyna, apo th Dioikhsh toy EKAB- yparxoyn se diafores xwres 200 tetoia elikoptera. Den einai mono sthn Ellada. Sas eipa prohgoymenws gia thn prosfath promhqeia, meta apo diagwnismo bebaiws, toy limenikoy twn HPA. Fantazomai oti oloi aytoi exoyn ejetasei ayto poy ejetasame ki emeis: Ean mas kanoyn. Apo kei kai pera yparxei to qema ths nyxtas. Th nyxta oi synqhkes pthshs einai teleiws diaforetikes ap o,ti thn hmera. Akoysa polles sobares, giati yphrjan kai mh sobares, dhlwseis aytes tis hmeres apo eidikoys. Rwthsa kai o idios eidikoys, oi opoioi moy lene oti mporei na eisai o kalytera ekpaideymenos pilotos apo stratiwtikes h apo alles yphresies, alla h pthsh th nyxta, me tetoia elikoptera, einai teleiws diaforetikh apo thn pthsh thn hmera. Oi kindynoi einai para poly megaloi gia to opoiodhpote laqos, idiaitera otan exeis na kaneis me perioxes poy dokimazontai apo ta kairika fainomena. Den einai idies oi synqhkes, loipon, th nyxta. Kai gi ayto akribws hrqe h apofash toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias, o opoios eipe oti th nyxta den qa exoyme pthseis. Otan yparxei ena tromero peristatiko, qa exoyme amesa ton tropo na to kalycoyme. Qa einai o stratos h kati allo, qa to doyme. Ara, lhfqhke ena prosqeto metro.

I,XASAPOPOYLOS: Oloi anarwtioyntai giati na pesoyn ta 3 apo ta 5 elikoptera gia na fqasoyme se ayto to shmeio. Otan epikaleisqe oti se alles xwres petoyn 200 elikoptera, stis xwres aytes den exoyn pesei ta 120 gia na paroyn apofaseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sebomai apolyta ayto poy lete, alla prepei na sas pw oti katalhgoyme se orismenes apofaseis otan exoyme erwthseis kai sygkekrimena problhmata. Ta elikoptera ayta den petoysan th nyxta xwris logo. Den ekane kaneis bolta.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Lexqhke oti petoyn anejelegkta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eprepe na ejyphrethsoyn sygkekrimenes kai epeigoyses anagkes, eprepe na swsoyn anqrwpines zwes. Opws, omws, fainetai sta porismata h nyxta dhmioyrgei sobara ayjhmenoys kindynoys. H Politeia eprepe na lambanei apofaseis. Mporw na dexqw oti mporoysame na tis laboyme nwritera. Tis labame, omws, kai ayto einai to shmantiko. Yphrje amesh apofash toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias. Kai ofeiloyme na to epishmanoyme qetika, opws qetika ofeiloyme na epishmanoyme kai thn ereyna poy dietaje gyrw apo tis synqhkes leitoyrgias olwn twn leitoyrgiwn toy EKAB.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias exoyn lhfqei apeires apofaseis gia to qema ths aerometaforas kai jeroyme poly kala ti ginotan sto Aigaio prin erqoyn ayta ta elikoptera. Pws diasfalizete oti kai ta kainoyrgia elikoptera poy qa paroyme den qa peftoyn to ena pisw apo to allo, afoy oi idioi anqrwpoi paramenoyn stis idies qeseis sto EKAB;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsth h apoch oti ta elikoptera ta rixnoyn oi ypeyqynoi toy EKAB.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Oi xeirismoi twn anqrwpwn kai o sxediasmos toys. Dhladh, sto EKAB kapoios ebaze mia ypografh kai shkwnotan ayto to elikoptero kai phgaine mesa sth nyxta deka fores sta nhsia, mesa se mia ebdomada. Kapoios htan ypeyqynos gia to serbis aytwn twn elikopterwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na mh dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis ekei poy den yparxoyn zhthmata. Einai allo o kanonismos pthsewn gyrw apo ton opoio exei diataxqei oloklhrwmenh dioikhtikh ereyna toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias. Qa allajei fysika o kanonismos leitoyrgias toy EKAB kai pisteyw oti einai epibeblhmeno. H kinhsh toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias einai poly swsth. Kai bebaia einai allo na afhnoyme na ennohqei oti einai dhqen elattwmatika ta elikoptera. Ayto den qa ginei me to zori epeidh qeloyme na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den lew oti ta elikoptera einai elattwmatika. Alla, h kybernhsh kai to EKAB, den mporei na apodeijei oti ginotan swsto serbis sta elikoptera. Einai ekqeth kai h etairia kai to EKAB kai h kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to EKAB kai thn kybernhsh, efoson epimenete, den sas katalabainw kaqoloy, giati einai ekqeth; Na katalabw: Giati einai ekqeth h kybernhsh kai to EKAB;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Giati den mporeite na apodeijete oti ginotan swsta to serbis.

PRWTOPAPAS: E, oxi. Yphrxan sygkekrimenes entoles gia th synthrhsh twn elikopterwn. Exete plhres adiko kai sas parakalw poly na prosexoyme orismena pragmata...

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: An mporeite, k. Ypoyrge, na ferete ta xartia. Oxi, exw adiko, etsi aorista.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete adiko. Kai na sas pw giati; Dioti kai oloklhrwmenos elegxos yphrxe kai kanonismos elegxwn yphrxe kai sygkekrimenes diadikasies prosqetwn elegxwn yphrxan. Gia paradeigma, htan safhs o kanonismos, se o,ti afora to pote ginontai oi elegxoi twn elikopterwn. Kai sas plhroforw oti sto elikoptero, sto opoio dystyxws eixame to problhma xqes, yphrje elegxos prin apo mikro xroniko diasthma. Deyteron, yphrje eidikh symbash, ystera apo dhmosio dieqnh diagwnismo, me etairia h opoia, en pash periptwsh, kai anejarthta apo tis ektimhseis poy prokyptoyn apo ta apotelesmata, den einai tyxaia. Otan kaname th symbash den nomizw oti mporoyse kaneis na pei pws htan mia tyxaia etairia. Gnwrizete akomh oti einai mia symbash me to xwro, genikotera, ths ALITALIA. Egine, dhladh, kai mia prosqeth symbash, plhrwsame gi` ayth ws kybernhsh, giati akribws qelame na ginontai swsta oi elegxoi, na erqoyn kai eidikoi -poy exoyn mia dieqnh eggyhsh- na kanoyn toys elegxoys kai na eggyhqoyn ta texnika zhthmata poy syndeontai me tis pthseis. Ara, kai metra lhfqhkan kai diadikasies yphrjan kai xrhmata doqhkan -kai malista arketa- kai merimna yphrje apo thn Politeia. Den to dexomai ayto poy lete. Mhn epixeiroyme, kaqe fora, na dhmioyrgoyme mia aisqhsh oti yparxei ena meizon qema sto dhmosio bio ths xwras. Oloi eimaste idiaitera qlimmenoi gia to dystyxhma. Oloi mas qeloyme na mh xanontai anqrwpines zwes, se kamia periptwsh. Kai epanastatoyme kai kala kanoyme kai yparxoyn kai entones ekdhlwseis kai prepei na to anagnwrisoyme oti einai dikaiologhmena. Alla, na koitajoyme me ypeyqynoys tropoys kai synergasia, poia metra prepei na laboyme gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn ayta. Emeis kataqesame th symbolh mas. An krinei kapoios oti den einai arketh, as mas kanei gennaies protaseis. Anoiktoi eimaste.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, sygnwmh: Edw, xqes, bghke h etairia kai eipe oti den yparxei istoriko blabwn. Kai ejhgoyse o ypeyqynos ths etairias ti shmainei istoriko blabwn, otan exoyn pesei tria sta pente elikoptera. Kai den bghke enas apo thn kybernhsh kati na kanei h enas apo to EKAB poy einai ypeyqynos gi` aytes tis pthseis. Kai moy lete twra, oti...

PRWTOPAPAS: Pali laqos kanete. Profanws, den exete dei thleorash. Dioti, an eixate dei thleorash, qa eixate dei ton Proedro toy EKAB.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ton Proedro toy EKAB, o opoios ti eipe; Den eixe enhmerwqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin apo ligo moy eipate oti den bghke. Sas egkalesa kai apodeixqhke oti eixa dikio. O k. Ressos, an den kanw laqos, bghke sxedon se ola ta kanalia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kai ti eipe, k. Ypoyrge;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, alla o anqrwpos qa pei th gnwmh toy. Eipe th gnwmh toy, staqhke ypeyqyna, anelyse kapoia pragmata. Piqano na diafwneite me ayto poy eipe -dikaiwma sas anamfibola- alla aneptyje th qesh toy EKAB. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei ena praktiko qema, gia to opoio rwthsa kai egw -den sas to krybw- poy afora sto erwthma, giati den eixe dhlwqei to sygkekrimeno peristatiko sta Cara. Rwthsa, loipon, toys eidikoys kai moy eipan oti yphrxe enas sygkekrimenos logos poy ypoxrewqhke to elikoptero na kanei anagkastikh prosgeiwsh kai na diorqwsei kapoia flantza. H apanthsh poy doqhke apo thn HELLITALIA -kai ekei safws mporei dikaiologhmena na yparjoyn oi antirrhseis, alla doqhke kapoia apanthsh, h opoia krinetai bebaiws kai qa kriqei kai apo thn kybernhsh- einai oti den qewreitai h sxetikh allagh ejarthmatos ws blabh, h opoia anagrafetai kata toys dieqneis kanonismoys, opws eipan h kata th synhqh praktikh, ston katalogo twn blabwn. Ayto mporoyme na to krinoyme. Den sas krybw oti kai egw anarwthqhka kai o kaqenas mas mporei na to krinei. Kai h kybernhsh qa to krinei. Oloi krinontai. Alla, allo to ena kai allo to allo. Kai ayto, to eipame xqes, apo thn prwth wra.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh apo tis ejhghseis poy doqhkan apo to EKAB kai apo thn etairia einai ikanopoihmenh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh mporei pote na einai ikanopoihmenh, otan exoyme tria dystyxhmata;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw, giati moy epikaleiste ta epixeirhmata ths etairias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th gnwmh sas exw dwsei; Sas egkalw kai pali kai den nomizw oti ftaiw egw gi` ayto. Xrhsimopoihsa egw ta epixeirhmata ths etairias; To antiqeto exei ginei, an prosejete thn apanthsh moy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ki egw to idio pragma akoysa, gia th flantza sta Cara. Kai xqes to brady sto deltio ths NET, ayto akoysa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas periegraca to gegonos, alla diapistwsa oti akoyte ta misa. Sas eipa loipon, oti ki egw problhmatisthka kai anarwthqhka an isxyei ayto kai prosqesa oti h kybernhsh qa to krinei. Alla kanate pws den to akoysate.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti h kybernhsh qa to krinei; Pote akribws;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh qa krinei to sxetiko epixeirhma. Dhladh qa krinei an to epixeirhma einai peistiko kai pws qa topoqethqei safws apenanti s' aytes tis praktikes me th lhjh ths symbashs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas rwtaw, giati kai ta alla dyo elikoptera poy epesan, kai eixan tesseris anqrwpoys mesa, pali legate oti qa to krinoyn. Bghkan ta porismata kai den yparxei mia paraithsh .

PRWTOPAPAS: Bghkan ta porismata kai den proekyce ej aytwn oti prepei kapoios na odhghqei se paraithsh. Fainetai den ta exete melethsei. Fobamai oti den exete diabasei to prwto porisma kai symperainw oti biazeste na topoqethqeite se sxesh kai me to deytero porisma. Perimenete ligo, peripoy s' ena mhna qa exoyme to porisma, oxi giati qa kaqysterhsei, alla qa prepei me bash to dieqnh kanonismo na koinopoihqei prwta stoys Italoys. Ayto problepei o dieqnhs kanonismos gia ta porismata . Dhladh, to porisma ekdidetai apo edw, paradidetai ypoxrewtika stoys Italoys gia parathrhseis, kai epistrefetai me tis sxetikes parathrhseis, oi opoies mporei na mh ginoyn apodektes kai sth synexeia ekdidetai. H diadikasia ayth efarmozetai ypoxrewtika. Symfwna m' ayth, se ena mhna, to argotero enamisi apo shmera, problepetai symfwna me th plhroforhsh poy exw oti qa exoyme teleiwsei. Tote loipon qa exoyme thn eykairia mazi, na syzhthsoyme gia to poia htan ta pragmatika aitia toy deyteroy dystyxhmatos. Eimai o prwtos poy epanastatw otan yparxoyn xamenes anqrwpines zwes. Diafwnw, omws, me thn aploikh logikh, poy sto bwmo ths qeamatikothtas prosaptei kai apodidei eyqynes xwris kati tetoio na exei apodeixtei. H taktikh ayth einai lanqasmenh. Emeis prepei na kinhqoyme ypeyqyna, wste na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes prolhchs. An yparjei katanomh eyqynwn -kai peri aytoy den exw kamia amfibolia- qa apodoqoyn. Na eiste bebaioi gi' ayto. Qa anazhthsoyme ta pragmatika aitia kai den qa plasoyme aitia.

Poia einai ta pragmatika aitia loipon; Ftaiei to skotadi; Piqanon na eftaige. Gi' ayto to logo kai apagoreyqhkan oi bradines pthseis.

Poio einai to deytero pragmatika problhma; Pragmatopoioynto pthseis, polles fores, gia logoys poy den eprepe; Oxi oti den yphrxe kapoios asqenhs, yphrxe. Alla mporoyse na kalyfqei alliws, xwris na kinhsoyme diadikasies ektakths anagkhs. Bebaiws, ap' oti fanhke. Diataxqhke, loipon, eidikh ereyna gia na allajei to isxyon kaqestws.

Paroysiasthke blabh sth flantza, symfwna me ayto poy eipwqhke, h opoia den anegrafh ston katalogo twn blabwn h sta sxetika deltia poy symplhrwnontai apo thn armodia yphresia me bash toys kanones; Malista.

Rwthqhke amesws h etaireia giati to ekane; Rwthqhke. Edwse mia ejhghsh; Thn edwse. Mas kalyptei h ejhghsh; Piqanon, oxi. Alla rwthqhke kai thn ejhghsh thn exete ypoch sas. Den exoyme tipota na krycoyme.

Ola ayta qa lhfqoyn ypoch, otan qa ajiologhqei h symbash sth lhjh ths, poy lhgei sxetika grhgora, prokeitai gia ypoqesh merikwn mhnwn.

Ti shmainei ayto; Shmainei oti h kybernhsh prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei kalyteres synqhkes prolhchs. Den katalabainw giati xrhsimopoioyme aytoys toys tonoys orismenes fores. Qewreite oti eiste pio eyaisqhtoi apo kapoioys alloys; Eimaste orismenoi pio eyaisqhtoi, nomizete, apo kapoioys alloys; Den einai etsi ta pragmata. Oloi enoxloymaste otan xanontai anqrwpines zwes kai anagnwrizw oti epiballetai na yparxei kapoia piesh, wste na lambanontai amesa ta sxetika metra. Alla n' anazhthsoyme prwta thn aitia.

PITTARAS: Epeidh milhsate gia kapoies epiptwseis stis symbaseis kai anaferqhkate se prosqetoys eidikoys elegxoys, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti antistoixoi texnikoi elegktes ths Olympiakhs - oi opoioi metajy allwn exoyn sth dikaiodosia toys kai ta elikoptera ths EL.AS., ta opoia, opws gnwrizoyme, pairnoyn ki ayta meros se kapoies eidikes kai epikindynes apostoles - den exoyn sto paqhtiko toys kapoia tetoia apwleia pthtikoy mesoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

PITTARAS: Lew gia toys texnikoys elegktes oti den exoyn sto paqhtiko toys kapoia apwleia pthtikoy mesoy. Dhladh, aytoi kanoyn kalytera th doyleia toys; Mhpws telika ftaiei h etaireia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennoeite th Hellitalia; Ayto ektimate; Exoyme synacei mia symbash mazi toys, h opoia elegxetai. Oi kyrioi aytoi kanoyn texnikoys elegxoys, dinoyn pistopoihtika elegxoy kai plhrwnontai gia th doyleia poy kanoyn. Yparxoyn oroi kai proypoqeseis. An yparjei kapoio atyxhma h dystyxhma qewreite oti den elegxetai meta h katastash; Amesws h eidikh epitroph elegxoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn ejetazei to symban. Qewrhtika, an dexqoyme oti ftaiei h etaireia gia to deytero h to trito dystyxhma -ayta ta dyo porismata den ta jeroyme- h an prokycei sto deytero porisma poy oloklhrwnetai osonoypw h sto trito porisma poy qa arxisei h ereyna twra kai apodeixqei oti ftaiei h etairia, nomizete oti qa meinei h katastash etsi;

Ypogracame mia symbash me mia etairia, meta apo dhmosio dieqnh diagwnismo, gia na beltiwsoyme tis texnikes dynatothtes kai na eimaste pio asfaleis. Prokhryxqhke o diagwnismos, katateqhkan oi prosfores, ejetasthkan apo toys armodioys, ejetasthke h oikonomikh pleyra kai ypegrafhsan. Ws pros thn ypografh den exw akoysei oti exei tekmhriwqei to opoiodhpote problhma. Sth synexeia, dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Peftoyn kapoia elikoptera.

Ti shmainei ayto; Oti prepei na ereynhqei se baqos to aitio, gia na diapistwsoyme ean ferei thn eyqynh h etairia poy exei analabei ton elegxo.

Den ginetai o elegxos; Den ginetai h diereynhsh; Bebaiws kai ginetai. Den ginetai egkaira; Bebaiws kai ginetai. Den ginetai swsta; Bebaiws kai ginetai.

Ean, loipon, sto deytero porisma -anaferw to deytero, dioti anamenetai grhgora- prokycei h opoiadhpote eyqynh, na eiste bebaioi oti h eyqynh qa katalogistei, eite prokeitai gia oikonomikh, eite prokeitai gia poinikh eyqynh. Ean omws apodeixqei. Den qa apofasisw egw, oyte eseis poy den diaqetoyme tis aparaithtes gnwseis. Qa apofasisoyn oi eidikoi epi toy qematos. Kai exoyn problefqei oi yphresies aytes.

Qa moy peite, den qa labete prosqeta metra gia na bohqhsete; Bebaiws kai labame prosqeta metra. Parqhke h apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Ygeias k. Stefanh gia thn apagoreysh twn nyxterinwn pthsewn. Allazei o kanonismos se sxesh me ta atyxhmata. Ayta den einai prosqeta metra; Kyrie Xasapopoyle, oyte ekproswpos ths etaireias eimai, oyte ayto leei h etairia. Qa eprepe na prosejete poly kala ayto poy eipate, dioti peran olwn twn allwn, akoysate th mish apanthsh moy.

FILHS: Epeidh den prepei n' antidikoyme gia ena toso eyaisqhto qema, me to xeri sthn kardia k. Ypoyrge, apanthste moy, ean eprokeito na mpeite ayrio s' ena apo ta dyo elikoptera poy petane mera, gia kapoia anagkaia kai epeigoysa doyleia, qa mpainate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti ennoeite "anagkaia kai epeigoysa doyleia" gia na mpw se elikoptero;

FILHS: Gia paradeigma, syggenhs enos asqenoys. Qa afhnate ton asqenh na mpei mesa sto elikoptero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, k. Filh.

FILHS: "Nai", eipate; To shmeiwnoyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, giati exoyn pragmatopoihqei ekatontades, xiliades pthseis. Kai apo th stigmh poy apagoreyqhkan kai oi nyxterines pthseis, aisqanomai pio asfalhs. Kai poy jerete, eseis k.Filh, oti den yparxei anqrwpino laqos; Thn apokleiete ayth thn periptwsh;

FILHS: Den to gnwrizw, erwtw esas. Sas erwtw ws anqrwpo, oxi ws ejoysia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apantw eyqews nai, giati exoyn pragmatopoihqei xiliades pthseis. Kai malista, meta thn prosfath apofash toy k. Stefanh gia thn apagoreysh nyxterinwn pthsewn, aisqanomai akomh pio asfalhs. Kai ayto mporoyn na to dhlwsoyn xiliades asqeneis oi opoioi exoyn diakomistei me to EKAB, opws kai oi anqrwpoi toy EKAB poy dinoyn ayth th dyskolh maxh gia na swsoyn synanqrwpoys toys.

FILHS: Endexomenws na dhlwsoyn to idio kai meta to deytero atyxhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa. Kai parakalw na mhn paizoyme en oy paiktois.

FILHS: Den einai paixnidi ayto, einai qema anasfaleias poy diakatexei thn koinh gnwmh, einai h apanthsh poy dinoyn oi ergazomenoi gyrw ap' ayta ta qemata. Aisqanontai anasfaleis oi anqrwpoi kai lene den anebainoyme epanw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyrizetai kaneis meta logoy gnwsews kai mporei na to apodeijei oti den einai asfalh ta elikoptera; Parakalw na to pei, gia na mhn paizoyme. Na to pei anoixta kai na mhn yponoei tipota. Dioti emeis kaname dhmosio dieqnh diagwnismo gia thn promhqeia aytwn twn elikopterwn symfwna me ta dieqnws isxyonta. Kai ta elikoptera elegxqhkan. Kai exoyn na kanoyn kai me dieqneis ejelijeis. Exoyn na kanoyn kai me promhqeies twn idiwn elikopterwn apo polles xwres toy kosmoy. Ypogracame symbash me mia jenh etairia, dieqnoys kyroys, me anoixto dhmosio dieqnh diagwnismo, gia th synthrhsh toys. Den paraxwrhsame th synthrhsh toys se adaeis, oyte se asxetoys. Apo kei kai pera, an eprepe na eixe prohghqei h apofash gia thn apagoreysh nyxterinwn pthsewn, ayto na to syzhthsoyme. Alla na mh dhmioyrgoyme thn aisqhsh oti ta elikoptera einai anasfalh kai peftoyn kai oti den ginetai elegxos. Na mh dhmioyrgoyme paniko, dioti to aisqhma toy panikoy den odhgei poyqena. Etsi, katalhgoyme sto allo akro.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh o ypoyrgos Ygeias xqes eipe oti to maxairi qa fqasei sto kokalo, hqela na sas rwthsw ean zhthsate syndromh dikastikwn arxwn gia na epiblepoyn tis ereynes poy ginontai gia thn aneyresh toy elikopteroy kai thn ereyna gia tis synqhkes ptwshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Aytoi poy einai ekei den einai oi kata nomo armodioi; Ekeinoi poy epiblepoyn tis ereynes gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy einai oi armodioi, symfwna me to nomo. Den katalabainw thn erwthsh sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, moy lete to Limeniko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoios einai armodios. To amfisbhteite; Qa amfisbhthsoyme twra kai to Limeniko Swma kai thn yphresia elegxoy; Den to katalabainw kai moy dhmioyrgoyntai erwthmata. Amfisbhtoyme to Limeniko, tis yphresies elegxoy, toys pantes. Giati; Gia na exoyme thleqeash; Ean ayth einai h logikh, diafwnw.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ean qelete apanthsh, k. Ypoyrge, alla oxi edw. Ean qeloyme thleqeash, to eipate treis fores. Mhn oxyrwneste pisw apo kapoies akraies katastaseis synadelfwn. Eseis eiste ypoyrgos mias kybernhshs poy prepei na lambanei apofaseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ofeilw, omws, na yperaspistw thn akeraiothta toy Limenikoy Swmatos. Den qa dialysoyme ta panta.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw, ean qa epembei eisaggeleas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas epanalambanw oti qa ginei o,ti problepetai apo to nomo.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhthsa th doyleia kanenos. Rwthsa, ean qa epembei eisaggeleas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Threitai o,ti problepei o nomos, o opoios den leitoyrgei gia tis anagkes ths thleqeashs. Opoy problepetai eisaggeleas yparxei, opoy problepetai to Limeniko yparxei, opoy problepetai h arxh elegxoy yparxei. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, einai oi armodioi poy problepontai. Ean xreiastei na paei kai kapoios allos, qa paei. Ean yparxei qema kata nomo na paei eisaggeleas, qa paei. Den eipa, ean prepei na paei h oxi. Eipa oti qa pane oi armodioi poy problepontai. Yponoeite oti yparxei proqesh na krycei kapoios kati apo thn anelkysh; Ayto yponohsate; Den to katalabate ti yponohsate;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia na mhn breqoyme meta apo dyo mhnes na to apodwsoyme se anqrwpino laqos kai na ta fortwsoyme pali se enan nekro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yponoeite oti ypokryptoyme kati kata thn anelkysh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Oxi h kybernhsh, kyrie Ypoyrge, giati qa ekdoqei ena porisma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na katalabete oti den einai oloi kleftes sthn Ellada. Yparxoyn xiliades entimoi anqrwpoi poy kanoyn kala th doyleia toys, sto Limeniko, sth Dikaiosynh, stis arxes asfaleias kai se aytoys poy qa analaboyn na kanoyn toys elegxoys. Ean oloys aytoys toys qewrhsoyme ypoptoys, tote milame gia alla dedomena. Den mas briskei symfwnoys h rhtorikh ayth poy isopedwnei ta panta.

Sas eyxaristw.

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