Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-01-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Para thn teleytaia eikona poy exei dhmioyrghqei meta to syllalhthrio, tis dhlwseis toy k. Anan kai toy Steit Ntipartment, fainetai oti h Agkyra den allazei politikh. Xqesines dhlwseis apo epishma xeilh sthn Toyrkia lene oti den allazoyn politikh gia to Kypriako. Dierwtwmai, gia thn prospaqeia toy k. Ntesoto kai toy G.G. toy OHE na odhghqoyme se lysh toy Kypriakoy mexri tis 28 Febroyarioy, an dhladh me ayta poy akoygontai apo ta toyrkika stomata, yparxei prooptikh na ginei kati tetoio h bazoyn telika empodio sto na odhghqoyme se mia lysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa kai xqes to epanalambanw kai shmera oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyn orismenoi kykloi ths toyrkikhs kai toyrkokypriakhs pleyras dhmioyrgoyn, se telikh analysh, empodia kai sthn idia thn prooptikh ths Toyrkias, alla kai sta symferonta, toso toy toyrkikoy laoy, oso kai ths toyrkokypriakhs koinothtas. Ayto prepei na to skefqoyn prwtoi. Opws, epishs, prepei na skefqoyn oti ayth h taktikh den exei para na apomonwsei thn Toyrkia dieqnws. Pisteyoyme oti panta yparxoyn periqwria. Kataballoyme kaqe prospaqeia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Prepei kai h allh pleyra na analabei tis eyqynes ths.

ANTYPAS: Xqes, o Proedros ths N.D. ekane dhlwseis, legontas oti h xwra kai h kybernhsh ths N.D. qa kanei toys kalyteroys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Qa hqela na sas kanw ena erwthma me dyo skelh: Prwton, an o k. Karamanlhs gnwrizei kati poy den jeroyme emeis, sxetika me to xrono twn eklogwn kai deyteron, ean symfwneite me ayth th qesh kai se poio stadio einai h olympiakh proetoimasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai endiaferoysa h xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh, dioti, se antiqesh me tis mexri twra dhlwseis toy, kata tis opoies ola sthn Ellada einai gkriza kai mayra gyrw apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, fainetai na anagnwrizei plhrws oti ola bainoyn kalws, oti yparxei mia poly kalh proetoimasia gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004 kai eyelpistei -kata th gnwmh toy, bebaiws- na analabei th diakybernhsh ths xwras, wste na ekmetalleytei th doyleia allwn. En pash periptwsei, h gnwmh mas einai -kai ayth einai kai h prospaqeia mas- oti o ellhnikos laos qa exei entelws diaforetikh apoch kai oti o k. Karamanlhs, meta to fiasko ths "skiwdoys Proedrias" sthn E.E., qa exei thn eykairia na kanei kai "skiwdeis Olympiakoys Agwnes".

IWANNOY: Pws sxoliazete to chfisma toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy gia to abato sto Agion Oros;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai xwris periexomeno, dioti h ypoqesh toy abatoy toy Agioy Oroys exei enswmatwqei sth Synqhkh prosxwrhshs ths Elladas sthn E.E. To qema exei ryqmistei apo to 1979 kai epikyrwqhke to 1981. Ayto exei, epishs, diathrhqei kai stis epomenes Synqhkes, opws gia paradeigma, sth Synqhkh toy Amsterntam. Epomenws, einai mia syzhthsh xwris periexomeno. Bebaiws, pera apo th nomikh pleyra toy zhthmatos, poy einai poly safhs kai to abato toy Agioy Oroys den mporei na parabiastei me chfismata, yparxei kai h oysiastikh pleyra toy qematos. Yparxei mia eidikh katastash, yparxei mia monastikh politeia, opoy exei diafylaxqei olh h paradosh ths Orqodojias kai pisteyw oti einai pantelws lanqasmeno na prospaqei kapoios na epibalei mia lysh ejwqen. Den ginontai etsi ayta. Kai apo nomikhs kai apo oysiastikhs kai apo pneymatikhs pleyras prepei na sebomaste kapoies katastaseis poy exoyn katoxyrwqei mesa apo toys aiwnes.

IWANNOY: Ti ennoeite; Oti, an oi gynaikes dhladh pane sto Agion Oros qa xalasei ayth h pneymatikothta ths perioxhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Edwsa plhrh kai oloklhrwmenh apanthsh. Mhn epixeireite na "bgalete thleoptikh ataka". Den eipa kati tetoio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H apanthsh sas ayth apeyqynetai sthn ka Karamanoy; Dioti, ayth einai poy anakinhse to zhthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi apanthseis mas apeyqynontai pros kaqe endiaferomeno. Kai eidika pros thn ka Iwannoy poy moy ypebale thn erwthsh.

TAKHS: Dhladh, apodokimazete olh thn kinhsh ths kas Karamanoy; Dioti, to qema sthn E.E. hrqe apo Ellhna eyrwboyleyth. Den leme, twra, poioy kommatos, den exei shmasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edwsa plhrh apanthsh. Ta pragmata den einai eite aspra, eite mayra. Emeis prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme ta pragmata apo thn oysiastikh pleyra toys. Kai oysiastika exw apanthsei.

TAKHS: Sas rwtw, dioti kata kairoys kathgoreite toys eyrwboyleytes ths N.D. gia diafora qemata poy feroyn sto Eyrwkoinoboylio kai ekqetoyn th xwra. H idia stash afora kai sthn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den einai ths idias poiothtas qema. Apo thn allh pleyra ayto -opws diapistwnete- den me empodise na parw safh qesh sto qema. Sas eipa kai xqes, oti emeis pairnoyme pantote safh qesh se ola ta zhthmata. Den epixeiroyme na apofygoyme kanena problhma, oyte na dhmioyrgoyme diadikastikologies, bermpalismoys kai taktikes, opws h taktikh ths N.D. gia to asymbibasto, oi opoies den exoyn tipota na prosferoyn, apla kai mono gia na apofygei thn anadeijh mias eswterikhs diafwnias. Prepei na pairnoyme pantote qesh. Kai ayto den shmainei kapoia ojynsh h kapoia antiparaqesh me ena politiko stelexos. H qesh mas einai ayth.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean yparxei politikh boylhsh apo thn kybernhsh na fqasei to maxairi mexri to kokalo s@ ayth thn periptwsh twn ekbiasmwn ek meroys megalodhmosiografwn kai ekdotwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se olh ayth thn ypoqesh h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs: Ereyna se baqos, plhrhs diafaneia, katalogismos eyqynwn opoy yparxoyn. Den pisteyw oti yparxei kaneis, o opoios mporei na apodexqei ayth thn katastash, poy aytes tis hmeres blepei to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Pragmatika, eida kai shmera polloys titloys -merikoi apo aytoys einai petyxhmenoi, kata th gnwmh moy- poy anaparistoyn thn eikona kata ton pio alhqh bebaiws, alla kai zofero taytoxrona tropo. Den yparxei allh lysh. To maxairi na fqasei sto kokalo. Plhrhs diafaneia. Oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi poy exoyn analabei thn ypoqesh, einai bebaio oti qa kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys pros aythn akribws thn kateyqynsh.

TAKHS: Mhpws, loipon, sth logikh ayth ths plhroys diafaneias kai toy maxairioy poy qa aggijei to kokalo qa prepei oi eisaggelikes dikastikes h alles arxes na dwsoyn sth dhmosiothta kai tis ypoloipes selides aytoy toy hmerologioy, gia na doyme telikws poioi alloi emplekontai se ayth thn istoria;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai bebaio kai to gnwrizete ayto, dioti eiste empeiros kai idiaitera kalos dhmosiografos, oti otan fqasoyme sto xroniko shmeio na exoyme ta symperasmata twn dikastikwn arxwn, ola dhmosieyontai. Qa ekdoqei to porisma sto opoio qa anaferontai ola ta stoixeia. As afhsoyme toys dikastikoys leitoyrgoys na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Exoyn apodeijei oti kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys se oles aytes tis ypoqeseis, eite syndeontai me thn tromokratia, eite oxi. Olh h ellhnikh koinwnia parakoloyqei to qema poy exei jespasei, sxetika me toys ekbiasmoys. Emeis den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exei h katastash kai poioi emplekontai se aythn. Ayto einai qema poy ereyna apokleistika h Dikaiosynh. Thn periballoyme me empistosynh. Qeloyme to maxairi na fqasei sto kokalo. Qeloyme plhrh diafaneia, plhrh katalogismo eyqynwn. Eimaste bebaioi oti qa ginei ayto.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate se aytoys poy lene oti h xronikh stigmh, h opoia epilexqhke gia na bgei ayto to shmeiwma sto aera kai en pash periptwsei na ginei olh ayth h fasaria gia toys ekbiasmoys. Einai paraplanhtikh gia na mhn proxwrhsei se baqos h ereyna gia th ``17N'';

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa kai xqes qa to epanalabw kai shmera: Einai oi gnwstes anohsies merikwn, eytyxws poly ligwn.

Qa hqela, allazontas qema, na sas enhmerwsw oti yparxei mia epistolh toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Dhmhtrh Reppa, h opoia qa doqei shmera se oloys toys epikefalhs twn koinwnikwn forewn, isws kai se alloys politikoys paragontes, sxetika me to qema toy Symboylioy sto Nayplio. O k. Reppas perigrafei to periexomeno toy Symboylioy, to opoio einai para poly shmantiko. Anaferetai sthn koinwnikh diaskech me th symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn ths legomenhs ``koinwnikhs troikas'', opoy, dhladh, qa metexoyn kai ekproswpoi twn koinwnikwn etairwn kai allwn koinwnikwn forewn kai mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn. Anaferetai stis poly shmantikes prospaqeies poy kai xqes katebale gia th syzhthsh, me oloys toys foreis, twn yparktwn problhmatwn kai toy tropoy antimetwpishs toys, wste na dhmioyrghqei mia synantilhch sta meizona qemata ths apasxolhshs kai ths koinwnikhs prostasias. Katalhgei oti h Eyrwph -se sxesh me tis epikeimenes diadhlwseis- epomenws kai h Ellada, ws dhmokratikh koinothta enqarrynei th symmetoxh kai thn paroysia toy polith stis ejelijeis. O Ypoyrgos Ergasias tonizei oti h ajia kaqe apochs enisxyetai h yponomeyetai, analoga me ton tropo poy epilegetai gia thn probolh ths. Epishmainei pws einai bebaios oti oi koinwnikes dynameis poy ekfrazontai apo ton kaqe forea kai protiqentai na symmetasxoyn se aytes tis ekdhlwseis, qa kanoyn aisqhth kai xrhsimh thn paroysia toys, proballontas me tropo dhmokratiko kai ypeyqyno tis qeseis toys kai me sebasmo ston polith kai thn polh toy Nayplioy. Mono etsi, allwste, qa symbaloyn sthn anadeijh kai katagrafh olwn twn apocewn, akomh kai twn pleon diaforetikwn. Einai safes to plaisio kai ta qemata, poy syzhta h kybernhsh me oles tis koinwnikes organwseis.

IWANNOY: Epeidh anaferqhkate sthn epistolh ayth toy k. Reppa, apo to ellhniko eirhniko foroym, kataggelloyn thn kybernhsh oti prospaqei me ayton ton tropo na skorpisei ton paniko gia na meiwsei th mazikothta twn diadhlwsewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Blepete klima panikoy; Den einai akribes ayto. H kybernhsh sebetai kaqe eidoys ekdhlwseis twn koinwnikwn forewn. Exei hdh anaptyjei me prwtoboylies toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Dhmhtrh Reppa, to dialogo me toys foreis. Eidika enocei ths Synodoy toy Nayplioy, exei, hdh, koybentiasei me toys koinwnikoys foreis gia ta meizona qemata ths apasxolhshs -gia perissoteres kai kalyteres qeseis ergasias- kai ths koinwnikhs prostasias. Ekeino poy zhta einai na sebastoyn oi opoies ekdhlwseis thn polh kai toys polites ths perioxhs.

TAKHS: Sto klima ayto poy opws eipate poly eyglwtta perigrafoyn ta prwtoselida twn efhmeridwn, ektos apo toys ekbiasmoys dhmosiografwn, politwn k.a. yparxoyn tetoies kinhseis kai ston aqlhtiko xwro, opws ta xqesina. Mhpws exete kapoio sxolio ep aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, bebaiws. Yparxoyn allwste kai oi dhlwseis toy k. Lianh kai sth synexeia oi dhlwseis toy k. Benizeloy. Ayta ta aqlia fainomena prepei na stamathsoyn. Ws edw! Ean o k. Nikolaidhs kanei mhnysh, qa kinhqei h sxetikh diadikasia, opws akribws problepei o nomos.

KARGOYDH: Mias kai anoijame ayto to qema kai epanerxetai sthn epikairothta o k. Cwmiadhs, yphrxe mia aporia -kai nomizw oti paramenei ayth h aporia- gia toys logoys oi opoioi ejasfalisan ston k. Cwmiadh thn apofylakish toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth einai apofash twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn. Mhn thn empleketai se kamia periptwsh me thn kybernhsh.

KARGOYDH: Den thn emplekw. Anaferomai sto genikotero klima.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth htan mia apofash twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn, toy armodioy dikasthrioy.

KARGOYDH: Htan omws ligo ``ejairetikh''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai allo to twrino qema. Kai bebaia den krinw thn apofash ths dikastikhs ejoysias. Ekeino poy qelw na jekaqarisw -to epanalambanw, enisxyontas tis dhlwseis twn kyriwn Lianh kai Benizeloy- einai oti yparxei mia aqlia katastash, poy prepei na stamathsei. Einai orismenoi aqlioi, oi opoioi epixeiroyn na metaferoyn ton kosmo ths nyxtas se ena laofiles aqlhma, opws einai to podosfairo. Fysika o kaqenas prepei na antidrasei sto metro poy toy analogei. Emeis qa kanoyme to kaqhkon mas, opws prepei. Oson afora to eidiko qema, ean o k. Nikolaidhs ypobalei mhnysh, qa kinhqoyn amesws oi sxetikes diadikasies, opws problepei o nomos,

TSAKIRHS: Hqela na rwthsw, sto idio qema, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na labei kapoia metra, wste ypodikoi na mhn mporei na einai megalometoxoi se omades. Giati akoyme synexeia thn kybernhsh na mila gia ejygiansh toy podosfairoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn para polla metra. Exoyn lhfqei. Yparxei ena plaisio, to opoio ryqmizei ayta ta zhthmata poy eipate. Orismenoi epixeiroyn me plagioys tropoys, opws gnwrizete, na to jeperasoyn. Kai ekei akribws endiaferomaste na to qwrakisoyme. To plaisio yparxei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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