Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-01-17

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Ianoyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia toys ekbiasmoys exete na mas peite kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kati kainoyrgio. Allwste, den diejagoyme emeis thn ereyna, th dienergoyn oi eisaggeleis.

IWANNOY: Na perimenoyme nees apokalyceis gyrw apo ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na rwthsete aytoys poy dienergoyn thn ereyna.

PITTARAS: Exete na mas peite kati gia to ``maxairi kai to kokalo'';

PRWTOPAPAS: To maxairi prepei na einai toso isxyro, wste na fqasei sto kokalo, na fqasei kai na to kocei kai oxi na spasei.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean kata th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Xrysoxoidh, anamenetai h oloklhrwsh toy sxedioy gia thn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Epeidh diabazoyme oti o k. Papantwnioy metabibase ston k. Xrysoxoidh to sxedio, einai o telikos apodekths....

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta, opws gnwrizete, apaitoyn sygklhsh kybernhtikoy organoy gia na apofasistoyn. Epomenws, pantote ginontai sxetikes synennohseis, alla oi apofaseis qa lhfqoyn apo to armodio kybernhtiko organo, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh to KYSEA.

KOYIN: Pote qa ginei KYSEA;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan programmatistei, qa sas anakoinwqei.

GARGALAKOS: Apo polles pleyres akoygetai oti ayth h istoria poy anoije me toys ekbiasmoys ek meroys ekdotwn-megalodhmosiografwn, telika den qa fqasei mexri to kokalo, opws yposthrijate eseis, giati exoyn hdh kinhqei diaforoi paragontes gia na thn pnijoyn. Pws qa metafrastei ayth h boylhsh ths kybernhshs, efoson den einai sta xeria ths, opws paradexeste, h ereyna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, "opws paradexomai". Einai logiko h ereyna na mhn einai sta xeria ths kybernhshs. Apo kei kai pera, ekfrasame xqes thn politikh boylhsh, enwpion ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Kai nomizw oti h ellhnikh koinwnia, me ikanopoihsh, dexqhke thn ekfrash ths qeshs ayths apo thn kybernhsh, opws kai apo alles politikes dynameis. Apo thn allh pleyra, qelw na epishmanw -kai na to epishmanw san idiaitera qetiko- oti xqes kai o eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy epedeije analogo endiaferon, me skopo na proxwrhsei grhgora kai apotelesmatika ayth h ypoqesh. Einai ena qema poy apasxolei, pleon, thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kapoies efhmerides, petyxhmena isws, egracan peri oxetoy. Yparxei ena qema poy syzhteitai ayth th stigmh apo oloys toys Ellhnes. Ginontai polles thleoptikes ekpompes, antallassontai diajifismoi pantos eidoys, kykloforoyn fhmes, oi opoies gnwrizete poly kalytera apo mena, aforoyn kai proswpa. Kaneis den prepei na qelei th synexish ayths ths katastashs. Kai h kybernhsh kai ta politika kommata kai o dhmosiografikos kosmos, gnwrizete poly kala, oti exoyn kaqe symferon na apallagoyn, se telikh analysh, eite apo th skia ths opoiasdhpote ypocias, eite, ean apodeixqei kati, apo ekeinoys toys oligoys, toys elaxistoys, oi opoioi mporei na amayrwnoyn ayto to leitoyrghma. Loipon, oloi exoyme symferon na synergastoyme gia na proxwrhsei grhgora h diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs. Kai nomizw oti o kaqenas mas, oso mporei, apo opoy mporei, se o,ti mporei, prepei na symbalei se ayto. To apaitei h koinwnia. Kai qa elega oti to apaitei kai to symferon olwn.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Exete kapoio sxolio gia th xqesinh paradoxh ek meroys twn ergolabwn ths Attikhs Odoy oti to ergo efqase peripoy to 1 tris, jeperase, dhladh, kata poly thn arxikh problech...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw dwsei analytika stoixeia gia to kostos, opws ayto exei diamorfwqei. Gnwrizete oti se ayth edw thn aiqoysa....

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Den symfwnoyn ta stoixeia, gi ayto rwtw....

PRWTOPAPAS: Symfwnoyn apolyta ta stoixeia. Ejartatai kaneis ti perilambanei se ayta. Gia to kostos kai ta xrhmata poy ektamieyqhkan apo to Dhmosio kai gia to poy phgan ta xrhmata ayta, exw dwsei plhrh stoixeia, sta opoia sas parapempw. Den exw na prosqesw tipota peran aytoy. Ekei fainetai poly kala pws egine ayto to ergo, fainetai h kaqe ayjhsh apallotriwshs, gia paradeigma, poy ofeiletai kai ta posa poy doqhkan gia thn ayjhsh, meta apo tis dikastikes apofaseis gia tis apallotriwseis, ti symplhrwmatika erga yphrjan, ti antiplhmmyrika erga eginan, poies prosqetes periballontologikes parembaseis yphrjan, ti xreiasthke gia thn amoibh toy anejarthtoy mhxanismoy, ti xreiasthke gia tis parakamceis poy apofasise to Symboylio ths Epikrateias, ti xreiasthke gia tis parembaseis ths E.E. Exw dwsei analytika stoixeia gia olh ayth thn ypoqesh. Apanthsame plhrws. Exei apanthsei kai h ypoyrgos PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy kai o prwhn ypoyrgos Kwstas Laliwths, diejodika malista thn ebdomada poy dianyoyme. Qelw, omws, na tonisw, me ayth thn eykairia, oti se liges hmeres, ap` o,ti fainetai, qa exoyme kai ta egkainia aytoy toy ergoy. Ekeino poy toylaxiston prepei na symfwnhsoyme, exontas, an qelete, anaptyjei o kaqenas th qesh toy sta qemata toy kostoys -kai kala kaname kai thn anaptyjame oloi- einai oti prokeitai gia ena pragmatika para poly shmantiko ergo poy proxwrhse kai qa symbalei entypwsiaka sth beltiwsh toy kykloforikoy sthn Aqhna kai thn ejyphrethsh twn politwn. Pera apo tis alles antiparaqeseis poy yphrjan kai thn paraqesh twn stoixeiwn poy egine -kai emeis milhsame poly kaqara kai me ariqmoys gyrw apo ayta kai enhmerwsame mesa apo esas ton ellhniko lao, alla kai apeyqeias thn eqnikh antiproswpeia- qeloyme na epishmanoyme oti prokeitai gia ena poly shmantiko kai qetiko gia ton polith ergo kai kala qa kanoyme na mhn prospaqoyme -kai den to lew fysika gia kanenan se ayth thn aiqoysa, to lew gia diafores politikes dynameis- eite na to amayrwsoyme, eite na to skiasoyme.

KOYIN: Gnwrizete ean sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn epomenh ebdomada, th Deytera to brady h thn Trith, exei programmatistei kapoia synanthsh me ton k. Mplij, o opoios, ap` o,ti fainetai, qa einai edw;

PRWTOPAPAS: To programma qa sas doqei analytika th Deytera.

IWANNOY: Mia erwthsh se sxesh me ton k. Cwmiadh. Xqes, sxoliasate to gegonos kai milhsate gia ton aqlhth. Gia ton Makh Cwmiadh qa lhfqoyn kapoia metra apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgeioy sto baqmo poy mporei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn dyo qemata poy syndeontai me olh ayth thn ypoqesh. To ena einai to poiniko me to opoio qa asxolhqoyn ta armodia organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai to deytero einai ayto poy afora thn Politeia gyrw apo to ti ekproswpei o k. Cwmiadhs. Ayto poy jekaqaristhke apo ton ypoyrgo Politismoy E. Benizelo, ton yfypoyrgo G. Lianh kai shmera, me mia seira radiofwnikwn parembasewn, apo ton k. Ejarxo, einai oti h Politeia einai apofasismenh na balei oristikh tajh se ayth thn ypoqesh kai na efarmosei to nomo poy exei chfisei. Atoma ta opoia einai ejw apo to plaisio toy nomoy kai enexontai se mia seira poinika kolasimwn prajewn, den mporei, opws akribws problepei o nomos, na ekproswpoyn podosfairikes anwnymes etairies. Einai safes oti polloi apo aytoys anazhtoyn emmesws tropoys, prokeimenoy na synexisoyn na elegxoyn thn katastash. Gnwrizete oti polles fores kai h parembash mas se ayta ta shmeia einai dyskolh. Omws, eimaste apofasismenoi na feroyme ayto to ergo ths ejygianshs se peras. Kai ayto tonizw.

FILHS: Proxqes, sto NATO o Amerikanos presbhs k. Mperns, ek meroys ths kybernhshs toy, zhthse apo tis xwres-melh ths Symmaxias na apanthsoyn se orismenes erwthseis, prokeimenoy na gnwrizei h Oyasigkton ws poio baqmo qa einai dynath h syndromh sta polemika ths sxedia enantion toy Irak apo tis alles xwres-melh toy NATO. Qa hqela na moy peite, ean h ellhnikh Kybernhsh qa apanthsei se ayta ta erwthmata poy qetei to NATO kai h amerikanikh pleyra. Ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn periodo poy askei thn Proedria qa prokalesei syzhthsh nwritera, prin thn apanthsh ths, sto plaisio ths E.E. kai an h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ws askoysa thn Proedria, prokeitai na apanthsei sto aithma toy Belgoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, na enhmerwnei h Ellhnikh Proedria ta alla melh ths E.E, sxetika me ta porismata twn empeirognwmonwn toy OHE kai o,ti alles kinhseis ginontai apo ton OHE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia o,ti enhmerwnetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh ws Proedria apo ton OHE h apo opoiondhpote allo dieqnh paragonta, qa enhmerwnei bebaiws kai tis alles xwres-melh ths E.E. Ayto ginetai aytomata, den proypoqetei eidikh symfwnia. Yparxei, omws, kai to qema politikhs oysias kai ekei prepei na staqoyme. Kai ayto einai oti emeis ejakoloyqoyme na pisteyoyme oti yparxoyn akomh periqwria gia eirhnikh epilysh toy problhmatos. Kaneis den qelei mia xwra na katexei paranoma kai na anaptyssei opla mazikhs katastrofhs. Yparxoyn, omws, akoma periqwria gia na antimetwpistei to problhma me eirhnika mesa, estw kai ayth th xronikh stigmh. To deytero einai oti, se kaqe periptwsh, h olh diadikasia prepei na ejelixqei sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Ekei metexoyn ypo thn idiothta toy monimoy h mh monimoy meloys kai tessera eyrwpaika krath-melh ths E.E. Epidiwjh ths Elladas, ws proedreyoysa ths E.E. einai, stis krisimes stigmes, na yparxei mia eniaia ekfrash twn antiproswpwn, xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. Na einai paroysa h E.E., me eniaia qesh, stis ejelijeis gia tis opoies ton prwto kai kyrio logo exei to Symboylio Asfaleias. Prepei na eimaste parontes, na parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis, na symmetexoyme kai na parembainoyme se aytes, wste na mporoyme na symballoyme sthn olh dieyqethsh toy problhmatos. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti yparxei mia seira apocewn poy ekfrazontai kai apo thn amerikanikh pleyra kai apo thn pleyra toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy gyrw apo ayto to qema. Einai mia syzhthsh poy prepei na proxwrhsei kai bebaiws qa erqei, kapoia stigmh, kai sthn E.E.

FILHS: H erwthsh htan an qa apanthsete sto aithma ths amerikanikhs pleyras.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw milhsei, hdh, gia to plaisio sto opoio qa kinhqoyme.

FILHS: Yparxei ena aithma ths amerikanikhs pleyras sto NATO, se kaqe mia xwra-melos toy NATO. Qa apanthsei h Ellada h perimenei mia syzhthsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellada gia na mporesei na apanthsei, qa prepei na apanthqoyn prwta, gia opoiadhpote morfh epixeirhsewn, ta erwthmata "an qa ginei polemos", "an qa ginei, pote qa ginei" kai "ean qa ginei, an qa einai kalymmenos apo apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE h oxi". Ayta ta erwthmata, gnwrizete oti den exoyn shmera apanthqei. Pws, loipon, na apanthsw sto erwthma sas;

FILHS: H Ellada qewrei oti einai anagkaia politika h apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, h Ellada qewrei oti akomh kai twra mporei na apofeyxqei o polemos kai oti se kaqe periptwsh prepei na kinhqoyme sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE. Epishs, oti qa prepei h E.E. na exei kai ayth to diko ths rolo stis ejelijeis.

FILHS: O k. Solana, xqes, eipe oti qelei na yparjei apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, alla, oti den einai anagkaia ayth h apofash...

PRWTOPAPAS: Apoceis yparxoyn kai anefera tis dikes mas. Den exoyme mono emeis aytes tis apoceis. Yparxoyn, omws, kai diaforetikes.

FILHS: O k. Solana den einai ena proswpo aplws, einai o ypatos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn apoceis kai aytes ekfrazontai. Apo ekei kai pera, qa klhqoyn ta organa na apofasisoyn.

FILHS: Xqes, yphrje diaforopoihsh metajy toy k. Solana kai toy k. Shmith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan ginontai syzhthseis, antallassontai problhmatismoi. Syzhtoyntai oles oi apoceis kai lambanontai oi apofaseis ekei poy prepei.

FILHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti o polemos mporei na apofeyxqei en telei ean dexqei na apomakrynqei o Santam Xoysein. Ayto einai mia qesh thn opoia prowqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh h htan ena sxhma logoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti apoch mas einai pws, akomh kai twra, o polemos mporei na apofeyxqei. Ayto apaitei mia seira proypoqesewn poy syndeontai me thn prospaqeia eirhnikhs epilyshs ths diaforas. Pisteyw oti prepei na meinoyme ews edw.

IWANNOY: Politika, pws sxoliazete thn apofash kapoiwn proswpwn na apokalyptoyn diaforoys ekbiasmoys h protaseis poy exoyn dexqei ek twn ysterwn kai oxi th stigmh poy ayto synebh; Kai deyteron, ti ginetai me thn ereyna kai tis syllhceis poy edw kai kairo diabazame oti proetoimazontai gia tis alles tromokratikes organwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, kaqe poliths epilegei o idios tis kinhseis toy kai o kybernhtikos ekproswpos den mporei na enhmerwnei gia tis apofaseis olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Enhmerwnei gia tis apofaseis kai tis energeies ths kybernhshs. Den mporei kai den einai swsto na sxoliazei toys Ellhnes polites kai tis energeies toys. Oson afora to deytero, qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti oi ereynes synexizontai. Fysika oi syllhceis den einai aytoskopos. Skopos einai h ejarqrwsh twn tromokratikwn organwsewn me tropo poy ypakoyei sto Syntagma, toys nomoys kai to kratos Dikaioy, me stoixeia kai apodeijeis. Prepei, loipon, na oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes kai otan oi diwktikes arxes katalhjoyn -opote aytes to ektimhsoyn oti epiballetai me bash ta stoixeia twn ereynwn- qa proboyn kai se syllhceis poy, opws gnwrizete, probainoyn. Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw oti proxwra h ereyna kai gia tis alles tromokratikes organwseis. Ergazomaste systhmatika, ypeyqyna, sobara kai otan exoyme kati na poyme h na kanoyme, qa to plhroforhqeite.

IWANNOY: Eipate oti den einai aytoskopos. Dhladh, mporei na yparxei ejarqrwsh twn allwn tromokratikwn organwsewn xwris syllhceis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na ginw safhs, den kaneis syllhch gia th syllhch. Skopos einai na ejarqrwseis thn tromokratikh organwsh. Ayto, bebaia, apaitei na ginei mia oloklhrwmenh ereyna, poy na odhgei se stoixeia kai dynatothta tekmhriwshs. Den ginontai syllhceis, an den yparxoyn stoixeia.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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