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Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-01-15

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Ianoyarioy 2003

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa symfwneite mazi moy oti yparxoyn kosmogonikes ejelijeis sto Kypriako me to xqesino syllalhthrio twn Toyrkokypriwn kai malista me thn perifhmh dhlwsh Anan, h opoia exei megales politikes proektaseis, akoma kai h dhlwsh toy Steit Ntipartment. Qa hqela na kanete mia dhlwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti exoyme mia poly shmantikh ejelijh. Einai apo tis periptwseis poy h fwnh toy laoy yperkalyptei ta panta. Yphrje mia pragmatika entypwsiakh symmetoxh ths toyrkokypriakhs koinothtas se ena syllalhthrio me th safh apaithsh na breqei lysh sto politiko problhma ths Kyproy kai na proxwrhsei enwmenh h Kypros sthn Enwmenh Eyrwph. O laos jeperna thn adiallajia. H toyrkokypriakh koinothta apodokimazei thn adiallakth politikh ths hgesias ths. Einai ena mhnyma poy prepei na laboyn oloi. Ena mhnyma poy prepei na labei kai h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai h idia, h adiallakth kai sklhrh, toyrkokypriakh hgesia. H fwnh twn politwn, h fwnh toy laoy, einai ekeinh poy dinei thn kaqoristikh wqhsh se mia prospaqeia poy afora prwta ap` ola thn Kypro kai tis koinothtes ths. Afora, omws, kai olo ton kosmo, afora toys laoys ths eyryterhs perioxhs ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, afora thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia. Xairetizoyme idiaitera ayth thn ejelijh kai qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti mprosta sth laikh apaithsh, mprosta sth laikh diekdikhsh, aytoi oi opoioi proballoyn ws adiallaktoi, kontra sto reyma ths istorias, kontra sthn apaithsh toy laoy toys, qa anagkastoyn na anakroysoyn prymna kai na akoloyqhsoyn thn odo ths logikhs, ths syneshs kai ths eyqynhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa mporoysa apo ta logia sas na symperanw oti, meta apo aytes tis ejelijeis, qa mporoysame na poyme oti briskomaste pio konta sth lysh mexri...

PRWTOPAPAS: To qeloyme kai to epidiwkoyme.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia th symfwnia poy egine anamesa sth Germania kai th Gallia gia thn politikh apofash katarghshs ths ek peritrophs Proedrias, thn amesh eklogh toy Proedroy ths Epitrophs apo thn Eyrwboylh k.a. Giati, jerw apo palaiotera oti h Ellada kai alles mikres xwres ths E.E. den to hqelan ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn ejelijeis poy aforoyn thn proodo, tis ergasies kai ta symperasmata, ths Syneleyshs gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, h opoia synexizei to ergo ths. Gnwrizete oti h Ellada exei thn Proedria ths E.E. kai qewroyme xrhsimo kai anagkaio na analambanoyme prwtoboylies poy mporei na odhgoyn se apofaseis. Proetoimazomaste idiaitera entona kai systhmatika se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Opws gnwrizete, to epomeno Sabbato, yparxei h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me to Germano ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Fiser (o opoios qa metexei pleon sth Syneleysh) gia na antallagoyn, akribws gi` ayto to logo, apoceis kai na diapistwqei h dynatothta prwtoboyliwn apo thn Ellhnikh Proedria. Stoxos einai na katalhjoyme se sygkekrimenes synainetikes lyseis poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn th nea eyrwpaikh arxitektonikh, poy qa mas odhghsei se ena kalytero mellon gia thn Eyrwph. As meinoyme ekei. Parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta oles tis ejelijeis kai hdh proetoimazoyme, me th doyleia mas, tis prwtoboylies poy prepei na yparjoyn ws Proedria, prokeimenoy na exoyme qetikes ejelijeis, sth Synodo ths Qessalonikhs. Qa yparjoyn, bebaia, polla stadia, polles synanthseis kai systhmatikh doyleia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

PITTARAS: Mporeite na mas peite, apo pote oi oyres sta nosokomeia, apoteloyn meros ths zwhs mas kai xwris aytes h zwh qa htan "anosth";

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipwqhke etsi. Egine mia anafora ektos ths synenteyjhs, poy den exei kamia sxesh, oyte me ta problhmata sto xwro ths ygeias, oyte me to IKA. Einai pantelws laqos kai qa elega oti isws einai kai anepitrepto, na parermhneyoyme anafores poy eginan meta thn oloklhrwsh mias makras synenteyjhs, poy dihrkese dyo wres kai aforoyse ton programmatismo kai th drasthriothta ston eyaisqhto xwro ths ygeias. O k. Stefanhs anelyse olo, to pragmatika ploysio kai shmantiko, ergo poy ginetai. Qa elega oti to xeirotero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na prospaqoyme na apomonwsoyme mia frash, h opoia den aforoyse -opws o idios xarakthristika mas tonise- to xwro ths ygeias, alla sth diarkeia mias eleyqerhs syzhthshs, san mia genikh diapistwsh. Problhmata yparxoyn kai emeis ofeiloyme na ta antimetwpizoyme. Qelw, omws, na jekaqarisoyme kati: Kai to lew, epeidh eida, prin apo ligo, mia anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy Typoy ths N.D., o opoios anaferei mia seira tetoiwn ekfrasewn, tis opoies apokoptei apo oloklhrwmenes anafores poy eginan orismenwn armodiwn ypoyrgwn sto parelqon h prosfata. Edw, opws fainetai, yparxoyn dyo antilhceis gia thn politikh. Yparxei mia antilhch h opoia diapistwnei problhmata kai prospaqei na ta megeqynei, estw kai an apokoptei, kata aparadekto tropo, orismena shmeia apo oloklhrwmenes protaseis h ekfraseis twn armodiwn. Dhladh, na mhn asxoloymaste me to problhma. Na to diapistwnoyme, na to katagrafoyme kai na prospaqoyme na to megeqynoyme. Ayth einai h antilhch ths N.D. H mizerh kai mikrocyxh antilhch. Kai yparxei kai h allh, h opoia anagnwrizei to problhma kai prospaqei na to antimetwpisei h na to lysei. Ayth einai h dikh mas politikh. Ayth einai h dikh mas antilhch. Shmera, gia paradeigma, epeidh polla eipwqhkan tis teleytaies hmeres gia ta qemata toy IKA, yparxei mia oloklhrwmenh paroysiash ths ploysias doyleias poy exei ginei ston tomea ayto apo to dioikhth toy IKA k. Miltiadh Nektario, thn opoia qa sas synistoysa na diabasete. Yphrje, xqes, apo ton ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Stefanh mia oloklhrwmenh anafora gia thn proodo twn ergwn sto xwro ths ygeias kai gia thn antilhch me thn opoia doyleyoyme sto xwro ayto. Den einai swsto na adikoyme ayth th doyleia poy ginetai, xrhsimopoiwntas mia ekfrash poy eipwqhke gia allo qema. Problhmata ston polith yparxoyn kai qa yparxoyn o,ti ki an kanei kaneis. Dioti, einai logiko oti, otan lyneis ena problhma, h idia h zwh, oi texnologikes ejelijeis, na dhmioyrgoyn nea problhmata sthn poreia. Ofeileis na ta anagnwrizeis, na ta katagrafeis prwta kai meta na ta antimetwpizeis, na prowqeis synexeia lyseis. Einai logiko o poliths na diekdikei synexws lyseis. Qelei th beltiwsh ths poiothtas ths zwhs toy. Qelei th beltiwsh kai thn eggyhsh toy mellontos toy. Aytos einai o rolos mias ypeyqynhs kybernhshs. Oxi na katagrafei kai na apomonwnei fraseis. O rolos ths einai na katagrafei problhmata, na briskei tis lyseis kai na tis kanei prajh. Emeis ayto kanoyme kai ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme.

PITTARAS: Parola ayta, o k. Stefanhs synexizei na apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: An prosexate thn apanthsh moy, qa eixate diapistwsei kai thn eylogh apanthsh moy sto erwthma sas. Exei ginei pollh syzhthsh gyrw apo ayto to qema. Oydepote o k. Stefanhs exei ypobalei paraithsh. Kanei poly kala th doyleia toy kai, se synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, prowqei th metarryqmish sto xwro ths ygeias. An prospaqoyme na ejyphrethsoyme kati allo h an prospaqoyme na ejyphrethsoyme kapoia alla symferonta poy einai makria apo to xwro ths dhmosias ygeias, as to poyme kaqara. Egw den briskw aqwa, merikes fores, ayta ta xtyphmata kai idiaitera apo to xwro ths N.D., poy einai poly safes oti ejyphretei to xwro ths idiwtikhs ygeias kai den qelei thn proodo toy ESY kai twn dhmosiwn nosokomeiwn. Einai ypokritikh h stash kai h symperifora toys. As poyme ta pragmata me to onoma toys kapote. Kai ayta ta xtyphmata "katw apo th zwnh", ta opoia kai o k. Stefanhs yfistatai, kapoia stigmh prepei na stamathsoyn.

ARGYROS: Giati den dhmosiopoihqhke, ton perasmeno Ioylio, oti o Prwqypoyrgos parelabe to shmeiwma apo thn oikogeneia Aggelopoyloy kai gia na maqoyme gia to shmeiwma, eprepe ...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati eprepe na dhmosiopoihqei kati to opoio doqhke stis armodies arxes; Htan poly shmantiko stoixeio kai doqhke amesws ston armodio eisaggelea. Otan egine h ereyna kai kapoia stigmh efqase sthn apofash na kinhqei h diadikasia, doqhkan kai oi sxetikes ejhghseis, otan klhqhkame na tis dwsoyme. Den katalabainw giati eprepe na to exoyme gnwstopoihsei apo prin. Qa mporoyse kapoios na mas cejei an den to eixame dwsei ston armodio eisaggelea, o opoios to eixe parei amesws. Bebaia kai ayta poy dhmosieyontai se mikrh merida toy Typoy einai sth sfaira oxi mono toy paralogoy, alla kai ths asteiothtas.

ARGYROS: Exete kapoies plhrofories oti emplekontai sto zhthma twn ekbiasmwn apostratoi astynomikoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na exw plhrofories, dioti to qema den einai sta xeria ths kybernhshs, oyte kan ths astynomias. Ayth th stigmh, oi monoi poy gnwrizoyn thn ejelijh ths ypoqeshs einai oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi poy th xeirizontai. Katalabainete oti den mporw, alla oyte kai prepei na exw plhrofories.

IWANNOY: Mhpws jerete na mas peite poso kairo prin h posa xronia prin eixe h ka Aggelopoyloy ayto to shmeiwma sta xeria ths; Fantazomai oti otan to paredwse ston Prwqypoyrgo qa toy eipe kiolas gi` ayta ta qemata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth h erwthsh den prepei na apeyqynqei se mena. Molis phrame to shmeiwma, to dwsame stis armodies arxes. Apo ekei kai pera, h erwthsh den afora thn kybernhsh. Fantazomai oti kaqe poliths krinei pote prepei na kanei mia kinhsh.

TAKHS: Profanws, o Prwqypoyrgos prin paradwsei to shmeiwma ston k. Xrysoxoidh kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs stis eisaggelikes arxes, to eidan kai to diabasan. Etsi den einai; Den to paredwsan se kleisto fakelo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Piqanon.

TAKHS: Symfwna me to reportaz, legetai oti ektos apo aytes tis dyo selides poy exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas, yparxoyn kai alles selides apo ayto to perifhmo hmerologio, poy anaferontai se proswpa, se dhmosiografoys, se epixeirhmaties k.a. Mhpws jerete, pote oi eisaggelikes h alles diwktikes arxes qa dwsoyn kai aytes tis selides sth dhmosiothta, opws doqhkan oi alles dyo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kai oyte mporw na gnwrizw ti anaferei to antigrafo toy apospasmatos toy hmerologioy. Ekeino poy gnwrizw einai pws o,ti stoixeia doqhkan ston Prwqypoyrgo, ta paredwse ston k. Xrysoxoidh kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs ston armodio eisaggelea. Ola ta stoixeia ta exei h Dikaiosynh. Den gnwrizoyme ayth th stigmh tis ejelijeis, ta symperasmata kai thn apodosh ths ereynas, dioti th dienergoyn eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi, oi opoioi exoyn thn apokleistikh eyqynh. Opws gnwrizete, otan katalhjoyn sta symperasmata toys, qa proboyn stis anagkaies kinhseis kai qa tis plhroforhqoyme oloi.

BITALHS: Den prokalese thn entypwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti epelejan na dwsoyn se ayton to shmeiwma kai oxi se kapoio dikastiko leitoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe poliths epilegei na kanei mia kinhsh poy ton afora amesa -idiws malista otan prokeitai gia idiaitera shmantikh- ekei poy exei megalyterh empistosynh. Fantazomai oti einai qema poy afora kaqara ton idio ton polith kai oxi emas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Afhnete na ennohqei oti h oikogeneia Aggelopoyloy den eixe empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh; Etsi opws to eipate, ayto afhnete na ennohqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa oti den empisteyetai th Dikaiosynh. Eipa oti epeleje na kanei mia kinhsh, me bash to baqmo ths dikhs ths empistosynhs, apenanti se ena idiaitera shmantiko qema poy afora ton kaqe polith kai thn idia thn oikogeneia. Giati to epeleje etsi, den mporw na to ejhghsw egw. Fantazomai oti o logos poy epeleje na dwsei to shmeiwma ston Prwqypoyrgo htan logos empistosynhs, oti qa ginei swsta h sxetikh diereynhsh.

BITALHS: Dhladh, o opoiosdhpote poliths poy exei kapoio problhma h kapoia stoixeia kai den exei empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh kai exei perissoterh empistosynh ston Prwqypoyrgo, phgainei ston Prwqypoyrgo kai toy dinei to fakelo, apo qemata diafqoras, mexri thn tromokratia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanete mia erwthsh poy den afora emas. Gia na sas dieykolynw, eipa oti fantazomai pws ayto exei na kanei me thn epilogh enos polith, mias oikogeneias, idiaitera shmantikhs kai gnwsths, h opoia eixe sta xeria ths kati gia ena poly shmantiko qema. Giati epeleje th sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh kai th sygkekrimenh diadikasia, afora thn idia thn oikogeneia kai oxi thn kybernhsh. Fantazomai -opws, hdh, eipa- oti exei na kanei me logoys empistosynhs. Ekeino poy qa mporoysate na zhthsete apo thn kybernhsh einai, oxi na kanei ypoqetikes analyseis gia toys logoys poy odhghsan sth sygkekrimenh diadikasia, alla ti ekane molis parelabe ta stoixeia. Se ayto to shmeio sas exw enhmerwsei apo xqes kai to epanalambanw shmera. Kai kati akoma: Oxi mono synexisa na sas lew oti paradoqhkan amesws stis armodies eisaggelikes arxes, alla xarakthrisa eyqews anohsies ayta ta opoia grafontai shmera se -eytyxws mikrh- merida toy Typoy gia dhqen sxedio Shmith k.o.k.

BITALHS: Mexri xqes poy dhmosiopoihqhke to shmeiwma mesolabhsan peripoy eji mhnes. Kapoies ereynes prepei na eginan apo tote poy o Prwqypoyrgos paredwse ston k. Xrysoxoidh kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs stis diwktikes arxes ayto to idioxeiro shmeiwma, ta apospasmata. Gnwrizete ean o idios o Prwqypoyrgos kai h oikogeneia Aggelopoyloy eixan enhmerwqei olo ayto to diasthma gia thn poreia twn ereynwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn askhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Ta eidikotera qemata twn ereynwn, kaqws kai h poreia twn ereynwn briskontai apokleistika sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs. Otan h Dikaiosynh katalhjei se ayto poy qa katalhjei, qa enhmerwsei armodiws. Den mporw -opws katalabainete- na jerw, oyte pote, oyte se ti qa katalhjei. Gi` ayto mhn koyrazeste na mas rwtate, ti allo periexoyn, poy exei katalhjei h dikaiosynh h ean yparxoyn kai alloi, opws mas rwtate synhqws, giati qa sas apanthsw -kai qa sas apanthsw koitwntas sas sta matia kai apolytws eilikrina- oti den gnwrizw. Kai oxi mono den gnwrizw, den prepei kai na gnwrizw. Dioti ayth einai leitoyrgia ths anejarthths Dikaiosynhs.

SOYRMELIDHS: Efoson milame gia pente mhnes, gnwrizete toylaxiston, ean yphrje apotelesma twn ereynwn apo tis armodies arxes. Dioti, ej oswn gnwrizw, oi eisaggelikes arxes dietajan ereyna meta ta dhmosieymata; Ara, ti exei mesolabhsei stoys pente aytoys mhnes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi armodioi eisaggeleis, oi opoioi exoyn ta stoixeia dienergoyn, opws jerete, ereyna. Einai poly sobara ta qemata ths tromokratias gia na prospaqoyme na ta egklwbisoyme se sygkekrimenes mikres xronikes periodoys me ton tropo poy emeis ta antilambanomaste. Einai qemata eyaisqhta, shmantika, poy apaitoyn idiaiterh proetoimasia, prosoxh kai ereyna apo ekeinon poy thn exei analabei. Gnwrizoyn oi armodioi, opws exei apodeixqei, poly kala th doyleia toys. Kai qa elega oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai, opws toys peribalame mexri twra me empistosynh, etsi na synexisoyme. Dioti exei apodeixqei oti pragmati kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys.

TAKHS: Mhpws gnwrizete poios dioxeteyse tis dyo aytes selides apo to hmerologio sta MME;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den to gnwrizw.

TAKHS: Oi eisaggelikes arxes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Lypoymai, alla den to gnwrizw. Den mporw na parakoloyqw kaqe diarroh.

TAKHS: Giati oi eisaggelikes arxes dietajan ereyna, meta th dhmosieysh ston Typo. Ean ta eixan dioxeteysei oi idies, den qa....

PRWTOPAPAS: Den biazomai na kathgorhsw kanenan xwris stoixeia. Sas eipa oti den to gnwrizw, me thn ennoia oti den mporw kai na apodeijw kati.

TAKHS: Menei na doyme pote qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta oi ypoloipes selides toy hmerologioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys -opws gnwrizete- exoyn yparjei, mesa apo mia poly sobarh ypoqesh, kapoies diarroes. Kakws exoyn yparjei, alla exoyn yparjei. Kai ayto einai mia antikeimenikh pragmatikothta. Den gnwrizw kai den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw apo poion akribws eginan. Fantazomai oti, se aytes tis periptwseis, ginetai synhqws ereyna apo toys armodioys.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh h ka Aggelopoyloy einai Proedros ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy AQHNA 2004, hqela na rwthsw, ean ayth h prwtoboylia ths oikogeneias Aggelopoyloy afora kai thn kata to dynato tropo diasfalish ths diejagwghs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pws syndeete dyo teleiws diaforetika metajy toys pragmata;

KARGOYDH: H tromokratia afora thn asfaleia. H ka Aggelopoyloy, peran toy oti einai syzygos toy Qeodwroy Aggelopoyloy, exei ena qesmiko rolo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqynete thn erwthsh se laqos anqrwpo. Dystyxws den mporw na sas bohqhsw.

PITTARAS: Mporeite na mas epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei proteinei ston k. Nasiako qesh sto chfodeltio Epikrateias toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, to eida kapoy grammeno kai mallon htan ena kakoboylo dhmosieyma. Ekeino poy prepei na sas pw einai oti, ej oswn gnwrizw, o Prwqypoyrgos den exei asxolhqei me to chfodeltio Epikrateias toy PASOK, gia tis epomenes ekloges, gia ton aploystato logo oti oi ekloges einai para poly makria. Opws gnwrizete ekloges qa exoyme thn anoijh toy 2004. To kakoboylo toy sxetikoy dhmosieymatos apodeiknyetai mono ej aytoy toy gegonotos.

@Prwta ap` ola, sas xrwstw mia apanthsh, se xqesinh erwthsh sas. Ereynhsa to qema me ta pyrhnika apoblhta. Den ofeilontai sth leitoyrgia toy antidrasthra toy DHMOKRITOY. Ekei einai poly mikra ta megeqh . Yparxoyn pyrhnika apoblhta kai apo nosokomeia. Yparxei enas nomos toy 1990, me bash ton opoio ekeinoi poy eisagoyn pyrhnika einai ypoxrewmenoi na ejagoyn kai ta sxetika apoblhta. Ontws, ola ayta ta apoblhta sygkentrwqhkan apo tis armodies arxes kai egine enas diagwnismos apo thn Epitroph Atomikhs Energeias, h opoia leitoyrgei me thn politikh eyqynh toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, gia th metafora toys ektos Elladas, dioti sthn Ellada den exoyme tetoia dynatothta. O diagwnismos aytos katelhje kai anelabe to ergo ayto mia germanikh etairia, h opoia proxwrei sth metafora twn sxetikwn apoblhtwn sto ejwteriko, se xwroys eidikoys poy problepontai apo th dieqnh kai thn eyrwpaikh nomoqesia.

TAKHS: O k. Ebert kateqese shmera sth Boylh mia erwthsh, me aformh kapoies dhmosiografikes plhrofories poy anaferqhkan proxqes, symfwna me tis opoies dyo ypoyrgoi Dhmosias Tajhs, enas thn periodo ths N.D. kai enas toy PASOK, eixan dwsei entolh na mhn ereynhqoyn apotypwmata se prokhryjeis toy ELA, dioti yphrxan...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta htan dhmosiografikes plhrofories, ej oswn gnwrizw.

TAKHS: Nai. Kai kateqese mia erwthsh pros ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Mhpws sas exei enhmerwsei o k. Xrysoxoidhs ti symbainei me ayth thn istoria; Ean ontws alhqeyoyn aytes oi plhrofories, an yparxei kati sxetiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fainetai oti to anefere enas synadelfos sas, kata th diarkeia mias thleoptikhs ekpomphs. Oyte emeis, oyte o armodios ypoyrgos, gnwrizoyme kati sxetiko gia to qema ayto. Sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy qa doqei h sxetikh apanthsh apo ton k. Xrysoxoidh, afoy prohghqei -kata to dynato, bebaiws, afoy den einai kai eykolo ayto gia mia periodo 30 etwn- h sxetikh ereyna.

TAKHS: Ma, den einai gia 30, einai gia ta teleytaia xronia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipan gia ta teleytaia xronia. Eipwqhke gia "prwhn" ypoyrgo.

TAKHS: Twn teleytaiwn xronwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla oyte poias kybernhshs gnwrizoyme. Fantazomai, bebaiws, oti kanenas ypoyrgos, kamias kybernhshs logika, den mporei na exei kanei kati tetoio. Alla, epeidh den mporw na gnwrizw, h sxetikh apanthsh qa doqei sth Boylh, kata ton pio ypeyqyno tropo, mesa apo th diadikasia toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy.

Qa hqela na kleisw me dyo zhthmata:

Qelw na epishmanw -epeidh exei ginei, kat` epanalhch, syzhthsh edw- tis shmerines dhlwseis toy k. Mparnie, oti brisketai se kalo dromo to Eqniko Kthmatologio. Yparxei mia bebaiothta, thn opoia ejefrase o armodios Epitropos sth diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs Elegxoy toy Proypologismoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy. O k. Mparnie, stis parembaseis toy, tonise thn apofasistikothta twn ellhnikwn arxwn kai thn idiaitera swsth antimetwpish toy zhthmatos, opws kai th bebaiothta toy oti qa yparjoyn syntoma kala apotelesmata. Prepei na sas pw oti ta idia eixe tonisei kai kata th diarkeia ths synanthshs toy, sthn Aqhna, me thn armodia ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy.

To deytero afora thn yparjh mias seiras dhmosieymatwn gia th stash ths N.D. kata th syzhthsh toy sxedioy nomoy gia to asymbibasto, sth Boylh. Qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti to sxedio nomoy (poy exei hdh katateqei sth Boylh) qa arxisei na syzhteitai sthn armodia Epitroph, thn Trith. Mexri stigmhs, oi epiklhseis h oi aitiaseis poy ginontai apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, qa elega oti mas qymizoyn thn paroimia "poly kako gia to tipota". Tipota oysiastiko den leei h N.D. gia to qema. Mono diadikasiologia. Mia akatasxeth diadikasiologia. Giati to kanei ayto h N.D.; Dioti exei terasties diafores sto eswteriko ths gyrw apo to qema. Kai gi` ayto, peri alla tyrbazei. Mila genikologa, mila diadikastika, profanws gia na apofygei, gia mia akomh fora -dioti ayth den einai h prwth fora- na topoqethqei ypeyqyna epi toy qematos. Ayto kanei. Prospaqei na apofygei na topoqethqei ypeyqyna epi toy qematos. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti, opws kai polla stelexh ths N.D., o eishghths ths meiochfias, o k. I. Barbitsiwths, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs toy Syntagmatos sth Boylh eixe eyqews taxqei yper toy asymbibastoy. Kai qelw, epishs, na tonisw oti htan o armodios apo to komma ths N.D., dioti htan kai eishghths sto qema toy Syntagmatos. Fainetai, omws, oti oi diafores aytes exoyn ypermegeqynqei. Kai epeidh para polloi oysiastika prospaqoyn na broyn tropo h "paraqyrakia", ta opoia bebaiws einai anepitrepta, gia na jeperasoyn to sxetiko qema, aplws kai mono diadikasiologoyn, kwlysiergoyn kai apeiloyn (mesa apo sxetikes diarroes) me apoxwrhsh. Qeloyme na jekaqarisoyme oti qa epimeinoyme staqera sthn chfish toy sxedioy nomoy, opws apaitei to Syntagma, staqera sthn kateyqynsh thn opoia to idio to Syntagma problepei. Kai bebaiws, qa proxwrhsoyme kai sto asymbibasto, opws exoyme proanaggeilei. Kala qa kanei h N.D. na topoqethqei kaqara enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy kai oxi na prospaqei me "trik" na apofygei th syzhthsh.

IWANNOY: Epeidh yparxoyn polles antidraseis kai apo to PASOK se ayto to qema, ean den perasei to nomosxedio, qa to allajete, qa balete kai alles ejaireseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Antidraseis mporei na yparxoyn kai einai qemito. Kaqe boyleyths exei dikaiwma na pei thn apoch toy. Omws, to komma kai h kybernhsh exoyme jekaqarisei th qesh mas. Ayto zhtame na kanei kai h N.D. Na mas pei poia einai h qesh ths kai apo ekei kai pera, an kapoios boyleyths ths diafwnei, dikaiwma toy. Alla, den mporei to epishmo komma na mhn exei qesh. Den mporei na krybetai. Den mporei na dhmioyrgei mia politikh "meswn orwn" metajy twn antitiqemenwn apocewn. Ti paei na pei "politikh meswn orwn"; Politikh meswn orwn kanei monon opoios fobatai na antikrisei thn pragmatikothta, opoios fobatai na pei thn apoch toy, opoios krybetai. Emeis, loipon, qa proxwrhsoyme kaqara me thn apoch mas. Sebomai tis diaforetikes apoceis kai tis diafwnies. Alla, prepei na yparxei kai h epishmh apoch. Kai ayth, thn kataqesame enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy, me to sxedio nomoy, to opoio qa sthrijoyme sth Boylh. Den mporw, bebaia, na prokatalabw thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

IWANNOY: H erwthsh htan: An den perasei to nomosxedio, qa to allajete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei pote se ypoqetikh erwthsh;

Sas eyxaristw.


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