Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-04

Greek Government Press Briefings in ASCII Greek Directory - Previous Article - Next Article

From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na tonisw eisagwgika kai epiprosqeta toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy sas eixa anakoinwsei th Deytera, oti shmera to meshmeri -piqanotata ayth th stigmh- pragmatopoieitai synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys poy proerxontai apo thn perioxh ths Qessalonikhs, gia qemata poy sxetizontai me th D.E.Q.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na arxisw ligo anorqologika: To dis ejamartein, leei o laos, oyk andros sofoy. To tris;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth einai erwthsh filosofikoy periexomenoy; Kante sygkekrimena thn erwthsh sas.

MIXAHL: Filosofikoy periexomenoy den einai. H erwthsh einai: Dyo fores yphrjan h den yphrjan oi dikaiologies ston Khfiso. Thn trith, ti dikaiologies yparxoyn, meta ta xqesina;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na pw oti, ontws, h eikona toy kratikoy mhxanismoy, kata th diarkeia ths xqesinhs plhmmyras, htan adynamh. Yphrjan laqh. Yphrjan aneparkeies. Kai ayto ofeiloyme na to omologhsoyme kai na analaboyme oloi tis eyqynes mas. H alhqeia prepei na legetai. Gi` ayto to logo ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, zhthqhke kai h paraithsh toy Genikoy Grammatea Politikhs Prostasias, toy k. Papanikolaoy. Bebaiws, estw kai kaqysterhmena, yphrje mia prospaqeia na ginei h kinhtopoihsh, zhthqhke kai h syndromh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, omws hdh ta pragmata eixan parei to dromo toys. Eytyxws, poy yphrjan periorismenes katastrofes kai den yphrxe anqrwpino qyma. Kai bebaiws, ofeiloyme na poyme oti prepei na kanoyme ta adynata dynata kai qa ta kanoyme. Gi` ayto to skopo, apo to prwi yparxoyn eidikes syskeceis kai synergasies kai sto YPEXWDE kai sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias ypo thn proedria toy k. Skandalidh. Yphrjan, hdh, anakoinwseis apo ton k. Tsaklidh, qa yparjoyn kai apo ton k. Skandalidh, pisteyw se ligh wra. Qa ginei gnwsto me poion tropo h kybernhsh qa labei kai prosqeta metra prolhchs, alla kai metra antimetwpishs twn katastrofwn poy yphrjan kai ayth th fora. Qa prospaqhsoyme, kanontas ta adynata dynata, me kaqe meso, na mhn epanalhfqei ayto to fainomeno kai bebaiws, qa staqoyme plai stoys polites twn perioxwn ekeinwn poy dokimasthkan.

MIXAHL: Lete oti qa staqeite dipla ston polith. Pws k. Ypoyrge; Dioti, yparxei mia pagia diadikasia apo to nomo. Osoi eplhghsan pairnoyn tis 200.000 draxmes. Loipon...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den pairnoyn mono tis 200.000 drx.

MIXAHL: Nai. Pairnoyn epipleon kai olh thn oikoskeyh toys kai akoloyqeitai olh h diadikasia. Koitajte, omws, ti symbainei: Edw yparxei ena problhma pia poy jeperna to nomo. Dhladh, to idio qyma poy htan qyma ths plhmmyras toy Ioylioy, meta apo peripoy 40 meres janaeixe zhmies kai janaexei zhmies twra. Pws, praktika, qa toys apozhmiwsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa apozhmiwqoyn osoi eplhghsan. Gia ta sygkekrimena zhthmata poy sxetizontai me thn katabolh twn apozhmiwsewn, qa yparxoyn oi anakoinwseis toy k. Skandalidh kai twn allwn armodiwn. Ayto ejetazetai ayth th stigmh sth syskech poy ginetai sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Ara, gia o,ti texnika zhthmata yparxoyn, gia thn amesh antapokrish toy kratoys stis ypoxrewseis poy exei pros ton polith, o opoios eplhgh, qa topoqethqoyme me sebasmo kai aisqhma eyqynhs Gi` ayto yphrje kai mia amesh shmerinh kinhtopoihsh apo oloys toys armodioys. Epanalambanw, giati qelw na eimai safhs: Oyte gyreyoyme na apopoihqoyme eyqynes, oyte na rijoyme eyqynes alloy. Pote den to kanoyme. Otan yparxoyn oi eyqynes, tis analambanoyme. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, omologhsa -kai to epanalambanw- oti h emfanish toy kratikoy mhxanismoy se ayto to qema, htan aneparkhs. Yphrjan laqh, yphrjan paraleiceis. Kai bebaiws, ayto shmainei oti prepei na zhthsoyme kai sygnwmh apo toys polites poy eplhghsan stis eyaisqhtes perioxes poy oloi gnwrizoyme.

MIXAHL: Qa exei ajia, thn eipe o k. Skandalidhs thn prwth fora, alla fainetai oti epanalambanontai ta idia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, k. Mixahl, dioti egine ergo apo thn prwth fora. Yphrjan, omws, paraleiceis, oi opoies empodisan thn apotelesmatikothta aytoy toy ergoy. Dioti, eixan lhfqei metra kai ston Khfiso. Einai xarakthristikes oi dhlwseis toy Dhmarxoy Renth k. Iwakeimidh -gia na mhn sas anaferw dikes moy dhlwseis- oti yphrxan tessera shmeia apo ta opoia ekdhlwnontan synhqws oi plhmmyres. Ta tria prwta eixan kalyfqei, yphrje problhma sto tetarto. Bebaiws, ean oi armodioi htan stis qeseis toys, den qa eixe ginei tipota oyte sto tetarto. Qa eixame eparkeia sthn antimetwpish toy problhmatos. Alla, otan shmane h lhjh synagermoy nwris xqes to apogeyma, oi armodioi efygan, oi dynameis poy htan ekei efygan, o kratikos mhxanismos den htan sth qesh toy thn wra poy ekdhlwqhke to kairiko fainomeno. Gi` ayto paroysiasthkan ta problhmata.

MIXAHL: Milhsate kai gia tis eyqynes poy prepei na analabete k.t.l. Qelw na sas qesw to ejhs erwthma: Thn politikh eyqynh pws thn ennoeite na thn analabete; Dioti, o k. Papanikolaoy, eite...

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papanikolaoy htan armodios gia to qema ayto. Pws alliws to antilambaneste;

MIXAHL: Na sas ejhghsw ti ennow. O k. Papanikolaoy, eite apo monos toy ypebale thn paraithsh toy gia logoys eyqijias -den me afora to qema- h toy thn zhthse o k. Skandalidhs. To apotelesma einai oti o k. Papanikolaoy paraithqhke. Otan exei symbei, omws, treis fores to idio fainomeno, kapoio problhma yparxei poy jeperna ton kaqe k. Papanikolaoy poy analambanei ayth th qesh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai etsi.

MIXAHL: Pws den einai etsi; Afhste me na oloklhrwsw gia na to katalabete kai na apanthsete synolika: Thn prwth fora, loipon, exoyme mia krish. Yphrje mia antidrash, entajei, ginetai enas sxediasmos. Pame sth deyterh fora, prospaqoyme na ta antimetwpisoyme, ta "koytsokatafernoyme". Thn trith fora, leitoyrgoyn sta tria shmeia, sto tetarto den leitoyrgei. Pleon, o ypeyqynos leei "feygw". E, kati ftaiei sto sxediasmo, kati ftaiei sta panta. Kapoios prepei na analabei thn eyqynh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti prin kanete thn erwthsh sas qa eprepe na exete dei pws akribws proekyce to problhma.

MIXAHL: Ekei hmoyn kai twra kai tis alles dyo fores.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean eixate dei pws akribws proekyce to problhma, qa eixate dei oti, ean ta entetalmena organa ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias htan sth qesh toys, den qa eixe dhmioyrghqei to problhma. Dioti, h ylikotexnikh ypodomh eixe dhmioyrghqei se megalo baqmo.

MIXAHL: Kai poios prepei na toys "trabhjei ta aytia";

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan zhteitai paraithsh, ayto apanta eyqews sto erwthma sas. Otan zhthqhke paraithsh Genikoy Grammatea, o opoios einai politiko proswpo opws gnwrizete, apanthsame eyqews sto erwthma sas gyrw apo thn katanomh twn eyqynwn. Den egine kati tyxaia. Den metateqhke enas ypallhlos. Paraithqhke -kai malista toy zhthqhke h paraithsh- o armodios Genikos Grammateas. To entetalmeno organo pros toyto. O ypeyqynos politika. Dioti, to problhma den diapistwqhke se kati allo. Den yphrxan alla problhmata. Oyte h Pyrosbestikh Yphresia paroysiase problhmata, oyte h Troxaia, oyte o stratos otan toy zhthqhke. To problhma paroysiasthke se sygkekrimeno shmeio, otan doqhke h entolh na "xalarwsei" h epifylakh kai aposyrqhkan oi dynameis apo th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Den einai etsi;

MIXAHL: Ara, qa anasygkrothsete thn Yphresia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme perasei nomosxedio, eidiko nomo, gia thn enisxysh ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias. Gi` ayto to logo kai epelegh epixeirhsiaka atomo me epixeirhsiakes gnwseis gia th stelexwsh ths koryfhs ths Genikhs Grammateias. Kai protash mas einai na metatrecoyme th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias se ena isxyro organo, me epixeirhsiakes armodiothtes, gia thn prolhch. Giati, panw apo ola einai h prolhch. Den mas aresei, oyte epidiwkoyme kaqe fora na katanemoyme tis eyqynes kai analambanoyme kai tis dikes mas. Den einai ekei to zhtoymeno. To zhtoymeno einai h prolhch kai h prostasia toy polith. Kai ayto akribws pame na kanoyme. Bebaiws, epitrecte moy me thn eykairia na epishmanw oti, olh ayth h istoria prepei na proseggistei me sobarothta kai eyqynh. Den prosferetai gia tis dhmosies sxeseis orismenwn ypochfiwn ths N.D., sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs, opws eidame xqes. Epiteloys, ligo sebasmo sto problhma toy polith. Emeis ton deijame kai analabame tis eyqynes mas. Alla, fysika, eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na epishmanoyme oti ayth h istoria poy afora ton polith, den prosferetai gia dhmosies sxeseis ypochfiwn.

POYLIDOY: Apo o,ti katalaba xqes, ta kanalia arketh wra apo tis anametadoseis toys epaizan film arxeioy, xwris na ypodeiknyoyn oti einai film arxeioy. Fantazomai oti ayto einai qema armodiothtas toy ESR. Epeidh den epilhfqhke, mhpws ean apeyqynate mia ekklhsh, opws to eixate kanei sto parelqon, qa mporoyse na epilhfqei aytoy toy qematos, poy afora th dikh mas deontologia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti qa htan fronimo na mhn to kanw ayth th stigmh. Nomizw, dhladh, oti den htan ekei, xqes, to problhma mas.

POYLIDOY: To diko sas. To diko mas htan kai ekei.

PRWTOPAPAS: To problhma mas htan me poion tropo qa antapokriqoyme sta problhmata twn anqrwpwn ekei kai oxi an kapoies thleoraseis edeijan film arxeioy. Protassoyme thn antapokrish sta problhmata toy polith. Kapoia allh stigmh, ean epanalhfqei, qa epanerqoyme. Einai qema proteraiothtwn. Den htan, bebaiws, swsto, alla einai qema proteraiothtwn kai xqes den htan proteraiothta mas ayto -ta lew anoikta kai den exw kanena logo na ta krycw ayta- alla to problhma to opoio mila apo mono toy.

POYLIDOY: Milate ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, omws. Epeidh afora kai th dikh mas deontologia, gi` ayto sas qetw ayto to erwthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dikio kai eseis, alla exw dikio kai egw... Den mporw pantws na paqw dixasmo proswpikothtas, metajy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai Ypoyrgoy Typoy. Ara, protassw to qema, opoy htan to problhma.

GARGALAKOS: Espeyse h kybernhsh, o armodios ypoyrgos na antikatasthsei ton k. Papanikolaoy me ton k. Gewrgakopoylo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai me egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

GARGALAKOS: Nai. Wstoso, gi ayth thn epilogh askeitai kritikh kai apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, alla kai apo dhmosieymata, me th dikaiologhtikh bash oti o k. Gewrgakopoylos sto parelqon eixe mia apotyxia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta eida ayta, alla qa elega oti to ergo toy k. Gewrgakopoyloy qa milhsei apo mono toy. An o k. Gewrgakopoylos, opws elpizoyme kai prosdokoyme, anaptyjei tis epixeirhsiakes dynatothtes ths Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias, nomizw oti oi epikrites toy, qa einai oi prwtoi poy qa symfwnhsoyn kai qa ton sygxaroyn. Ara, to ergo qa milhsei apo mono toy. Qelw, pantws, na qymisw, epeidh anaferqhke h ypoqesh ths odoy Niobhs, oti tote den htan Arxhgos o k. Gewrgakopoylos, alla o k. Basilopoylos. O k. Gewrgakopoylos egine arxhgos meta apo ayth thn ypoqesh. Den to qymoyntai isws ayto.

ANTYPAS: Kai apo to reportaz, alla kai apo alles kybernhtikes phges, stis opoies apeyqynqhka exw kapoia kena kai qa hqela ean eiste se qesh na moy ta dieykrinisete: To prwto einai poios edwse thn entolh, dedomenoy oti htan ektos yphresias o Genikos Grammateas na aposyrqoyn oi dynameis, me poia stoixeia. Deyteron,, ean ton rwthse kaneis pws elabe thn apofash, ean eixe epikoinwnhsei me kapoion proistameno toy kai ti apanthse, poies kyrwseis dexqhke; Kai triton, ean h EMY eixe enhmerwsei th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias, h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diakindyneyontas, giati den eimai o eidikos, qa prospaqhsw na sas bohqhsw. Lew, omws, ek twn proterwn oti diakindyneyw kapoio texniko laqos, giati einai qemata kaqara texnika kai isws prepei na apanthsoyn oi armodioi. Nomizw oti o k. Skandalidhs qa to kanei shmera. Pantws, ej oswn gnwrizw, doqhke entolh apo to kentro epixeirhsewn ths G.G. Politikhs Prostasias gi ayth thn, as poyme, lhjh synagermoy, to apogeyma ths xqesinhs hmeras. Oi idioi epikaloyntai oti ayto egine meta apo epikoinwnia me kapoion ypallhlo ths EMY. Giati h EMY, bebaiws, eixe proeidopoihsei oti qa exoyme entona kairika fainomena to trihmero, alla -opws oi idioi isxyristhkan- toys dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh oti eixe parelqei to problhma. Ayto isxyristhke h G.G. Politikhs Prostasias. Einai sigoyro, pantws, oti apo to kentro epixeirhsewn ths G.G. Politikhs Prostasias doqhke h entolh, apo toys armodioys ekei, gia lhjh ths epifylakhs. Gia ola ayta ta zhthmata pisteyw oti qa prokycoyn ejhghseis apo th shmerinh synenteyjh.

ANTYPAS: Opote qa exoyme EDE gia to sygkekrimeno qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa to krinoyn oi armodioi politikoi proistamenoi, oi opoioi kai qa sas enhmerwsoyn. Den mporw na sas enhmerwsw gia enan aploystato logo -poy einai kaqara texnikos- afoy h teleytaia epikoinwnia moy me ton k. Skandalidh egine diarkoyshs ths synedriashs. Ara, qa htan antideontologiko na epixeirhsw enhmerwsh, prin teleiwsei h synedriash kai ejaxqoyn ta sxetika symperasmata.

ANTYPAS: Kateqese agwgh o k. Tsoyras shmera. Einai ena qema poy eixe apasxolhsei thn politikh enhmerwsh, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai eixate pei ki eseis edw oti qa sthrijei to PASOK ta stelexh toy na yperaspistoyn thn proswpikh toys ajioprepeia. Qa hqela ena sxolio gia to gegonos. Kai deyteron, ean yparxei proqesh ayto na ginei kai apo alloys, sto baqmo poy to gnwrizete, ws anqrwpoi poy eiste ston idio politiko xwro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean moy epitrepetai ayth h anafora, qa pw oti poly kala ekane o k. Tsoyras kai kateqese agwgh. Dioti peran ths politikhs parametroy toy problhmatos, gia thn opoia exw hdh anaferqei, prepei na katalaboyn oi anqrwpoi poy to kanoyn oti yparxoyn kai synepeies kai oti o nomos isxyei kai gi aytoys. Bebaiws, qewrw oti o k. Tsoyras exei apolyto dikio. Kai einai aparadekto na spilwnontai politika stelexh, ws dhqen synergoi ths tromokratias, me ayton ton tropo, apo orismenoys ``paramyqades'' kai ``planodioys'' twn thleoptikwn staqmwn. Einai logiko, loipon, o k. Tsoyras, ton opoio oloi yperaspizoyme, na yperaspizei kai o idios ton eayto toy. Kai poly kala kanei.

GARGALAKOS: Eida shmera mia anakoinwsh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs opoy askeitai entonh kritikh stis apoceis ths Arxhs Dafermoy, peri toy qrhskeymatos kai se o,ti afora thn apaleich toy qrhskeymatos apo ta apolythria kai se o,ti afora th didaskalia twn qrhskeytikwn kai se sxesh me ayth thn prosfath apofash ths Arxhs Dafermoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi ayto to qema eixa, hdh, thn eykairia, na sas kanw mia prwth enhmerwsh. Shmera exoyme perissotera pragmata na poyme. Kat arxas, prepei na yparxei ayth th stigmh mia anakoinwsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Paideias Petroy Eyqymioy, sthn opoia sas parapempw. Omws, krinw skopimo na tonisw dyo apla pragmata: H kybernhsh den krinei oti yparxei qema ayth th stigmh me th didaskalia twn qrhskeytikwn. Exoyn, pragmati, astoxhsei idiaitera ekeinoi, oi opoioi shmera emfanisthkan, epixeiroyntes na dhmioyrghsoyn qema ekei poy den yparxei. Ta qrhskeytika qa didaskontai kanonika sta sxoleia. Gnwrizete oti opoios anhkei se allh qrhskeia h se allo dogma, yparxoyn kai efarmozontai kanonika oi diadikasies, wste na apallagei apo th didaskalia toy maqhmatos. Den yfistatai kanena problhma gia na xreiastei na allajoyme kati. Oson afora ta epimeroys qemata ths armodias anejarthths arxhs, h kybernhtikh anakoinwsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy k. Eyqymioy, einai safhs. Yparxei seira syntagmatikwn kai nomikwn problhmatwn kai exoyn zhthqei dieykriniseis kai apanthseis se mia seira erwthmata poy prokyptoyn. Kai bebaiws, den krinetai oti yparxei anagkh h ypoxrewsh efarmoghs, ayth th stigmh, kai ayths ths apofashs. Alla, topoqethqhka kai politika sto prwto skelos.

IWANNOY: Afhnete anoikto to endexomeno na to epanejetasete sto mellon h lete oristika oti den prokeitai na kanete dekth ayth thn protash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa se dyo epipeda. Apanthsa gyrw apo tis kybernhtikes proqeseis kai apanthsa kai se sxesh me nomikes pleyres toy zhthmatos. Gia na eimaste, loipon, oligologoi kai safeis, h kybernhsh den qewrei oti yparxei kanena qema kai anagkh kapoias allaghs. To maqhma twn Qrhskeytikwn didasketai kai qa didasketai kanonika kai opoios anhkei se allh qrhskeia h presbeyei allo dogma, yparxoyn kai einai gnwstes oi diadikasies gia thn apallagh toy. Ti apodexontai oloi. Ara, mh yfistamenoy problhmatos, den yparxei kai anagkh allaghs. Ayth einai h safhs kybernhtikh qesh. Gia to nomiko problhma poy exei prokycei, exei ginei nomikh epejergasia apo toys armodioys toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias, exei topoqethqei o Ypoyrgos Petros Eyqymioy, exoyme apeyqynei sxetika erwthmata pros thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn gia thn anagkh dieykrinisewn sta nomika zhthmata. Omws, ayth einai h nomikh ptyxh. Gia thn politikh sas eipa sthn arxh.

ANTYPAS: Dedomenoy oti to maqhma twn qrhskeytikwn, toylaxiston stis tajeis toy Gymnasioy kai Lykeioy, exei ektetamenes anafores kai se alles qrhskeies, mhpws krinete skopimo na kanete ena genikotero politiko sxolio gia thn anagkh poy aisqanetai h Arxh na ejairesei to sygkekrimeno maqhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to ejairei. Prospaqei na kanei mia ermhneia gia to pws prostateyontai ta proswpika dedomena. Ermhneia, h opoia dhmioyrgei, omws, pollapla nomika kai syntagmatika problhmata. H epixeirhmatologia mas apo nomikhs skopias einai safhs. Eipa oti exei ejetastei nomika kai syntagmatika to qema kai prokyptoyn polla zhthmata. Ta zhthmata qa teqoyn kai qa syzhthqoyn en eyqetw xronw me thn Arxh ths Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Alla, h politikh mas qesh einai to ena epipedo kai h nomikh epejergasia kai antidikia, gyrw apo mia apofash mias Anejarthths Arxhs, einai ena deytero epipedo. Einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Aplws aisqanqhka thn anagkh na mh meinw mono sto nomiko meros, alla na sas perigracw kai thn politikh mas optikh.

MPOYATAR: H politikh sas optikh anaferetai sto skelos poy exei sxesh me to maqhma twn Qrhskeytikwn kai pws qa apallassontai apo to maqhma osoi to epiqymoyn h exei kai sxesh me th mh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos sta apolythria; Giati otan o Prwqypoyrgos miloyse gia tis taytothtes, yphrxan kapoies nyjeis oti ayth h anafora prepei na fygei apo kaqe dhmosio eggrafo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsame eidika gia tis taytothtes. Ayth th stigmh den qewroyme oti yfistatai allo qema. Den exoyme kamia proqesh na dhmioyrgoyme qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

MPOYATAR: Kai gia ta dyo skelh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, sas anefera oti yparxei mia seira apo nomikes epejergasies poy qa ginoyn.

GARGALAKOS: Parolo poy tis foroelafrynseis poy ejaggeilate xqes, "tis paresyre o Khfisos", qa hqela na sas rwthsw...

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecte moy, den mporei na parasyrei tis foroelafrynseis o Khfisos, qa ... emfanistoyn sthn tseph twn politwn. Opote...

GARGALAKOS: Na sas rwthsw, loipon, epi ths oysias kati: Ti apantate sthn kritikh poy anaptyssetai panw ston ajona oti htan "deiles" aytes oi foroelafrynseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai h synhqhs mhdenistikh taktikh ths ajiwmatikh antipoliteyshs. H idia taktikh akoloyqhqhke kai sthn periptwsh twn foroelafrynsewn poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos. Ti paei na pei, einai "deiles"; Yphrxe, dhladh, enallaktikh protash; H N.D. eipe oti qa kanei kati diaforetiko, mhpws kai den to katalabame; Akoyste, aytes oi foroelafrynseis einai poly shmantikes kai bebaiws, einai politika stoxeymenes. Exoyn na kanoyn idiaitera me toys xamhlomisqoys kai toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys. Einai sthn kateyqynsh ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai ths anadianomhs toy eisodhmatos. Exoyn safes politiko stigma. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai logiko h N.D. na ekfrazei th dysforia kai thn antiqesh ths. Prosejte, omws, thn ypokrisia ths. Den phre kapoia diaforetikh qesh. Den ekane kapoia enallaktikh protash. Den ejhggeile kapoia dikh ths diaforetikh desmeysh. Allwste kai ayta poy akoysa apo seira stelexwn ths N.D., shmera sta radiothleoptika Mesa, moy qymisan th gnwsth laikh rhsh: "alla logia na agapiomaste". Emeis, omws, exoyme sygkekrimenh oikonomikh politikh, thn opoia kai efarmozoyme. Me tis apofaseis aytes enisxyoyme shmantika to eisodhma twn xamhlomisqwn kai twn xamhlosyntajioyxwn. Ekei stoxeyei h politikh mas.

GARGALAKOS: Oi dyo kritikes poy akoysthkan einai oti den exoyn anaptyjiakh diastash kai oti einai apospasmatika ta metra poy ejaggeilate.

PRWTOPAPAS: To oti den exoyn anaptyjiakh diastash kai oti einai apospasmatika, to exoyme akoysei apo ta xeilh twn ekproswpwn ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs gyrw stis 30 me 40 fores, gia diafora oikonomika metra poy exoyme ejaggeilei kai efarmosei. To idio mas elegan kai sthn poreia pros thn ONE, ta idia mas elegan kai gia mia seira apo metarryqmiseis poy ejhggeile o ypoyrgos Oikonomias, to idio mas lene twra kai gia th forologikh metarryqmish. Otan h N.D. den exei politikh, otan den exei allh protash na kataqesei, otan den mporei na analabei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis, mila genikologa, me aoristies kai me afhrhmenes ennoies, gia na pei kati. An exei na dhlwsei kati, as to pei. Dhmokratia exoyme sthn Ellada, o kosmos mporei kai krinei. Alla, krinei oti apo th mia yparxei ergo kai prajh kai apo thn allh afhrhmena pragmata, aoristies kai epanalhceis. Toys afhnoyme sthn krish toy laoy.

ARGYROS: Wstoso, to oti den einai politika stoxeymenes oi allages, den to eipan mono stelexh ths N.D., to epishmanan kai melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Eipan malista oti eprepe na prosexqoyn kai ta mesaia eisodhmata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh hmoyn parwn sth xqesinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sas bebaiwnw oti ta pragmata den einai etsi. Ayto poy zhthqhke -kai zhthqhke apo polloys- einai na problhqei h politikh stoxeysh. Sas eipa prin kati poy einai shmantiko: Ta metra exoyn politikh stoxeysh kai jekinoyn apo kapoy. Kaneis mia epilogh. Den krycame apo kanenan oti o tomeas ths oikonomias exei tis dikes toy dyskolies. Eimaste se mia epoxh pagkosmias yfeshs, se mia epoxh abebaiothtwn dieqnws, se mia epoxh problhmatwn se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Qelw na sas epishmanw oti oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs sthn Ellada einai, en toytois, triplasioi apo toys ryqmoys anaptyjhs se alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti mporoyme na efhsyxazoyme. Ayto den shmainei oti qa poyme oti ola einai kala kai den yparxei kanena problhma kai kamia anhsyxia. Isa-isa, poy pairnoyme dynamh apo th doyleia poy exoyme kanei ston tomea ths oikonomias kai poy einai idiaitera shmantikh. Qa synexisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia sthn oikonomia gia na aisqanqei asfalhs o Ellhnas poliths, o ergazomenos, h ellhnikh epixeirhsh. Qa dhmioyrghsoyme tis proypoqeseis gia megalyterh apasxolhsh kai qa katorqwsoyme na baloyme thn Ellada oristika sto dromo ths antagwnistikothtas. Katalabainete oti h synexeia ayths ths spoydaias prospaqeias apaitei mia stash megalhs eyqynhs apo thn kybernhsh. Alla, ta xrhmata, oi poroi poy mporei na diateqoyn einai sygkekrimenoi, den einai aperioristoi. Den qa katafygoyme oyte se yperdaneismo, oyte qa qesoyme se kindyno kai amfisbhthsh osa exei katakthsei o ellhnikos laos sthn poreia toy pros to mellon. Exoyme na kataneimoyme sygkekrimenoys poroys. Ekei einai h politikh stoxeysh. Apo poy prepei na jekinhseis thn katanomh aytwn twn porwn. Emeis kaname thn ejhs epilogh: Na jekinhsoyme apo tis asqenesteres oikonomika tajeis. Qelhsame na enisxysoyme toys xamhlomisqoys, toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys, toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh. Safws kai xreiazetai na enisxyqoyn kai ta alla koinwnika strwmata. Me th beltiwsh ths poreias ths oikonomias kai panta pistoi sth logikh ths anadianomhs toy eqnikoy eisodhmatos, yper twn asqenesterwn oikonomika tajewn, yper twn ergazomenwn, poreyomaste. Exoyme ejaggeilei hdh kai exoyme desmeyqei gia shmantikes ayjhseis sta misqologia, to 2004 gia paradeigma, poy kalyptei perissotera koinwnika strwmata. Ayto ginetai, alla yparxoyn kai oi politikoi stoxoi, oi politikes proteraiothtes: Koinwnikh dikaiosynh, anadianomh eisodhmatos einai to mhnyma se aytes tis kinhseis. Bebaiws kai exei lhfqei merimna kai gia ta mesaia strwmata. Gia paradeigma, h katarghsh toy foroy gia thn idiokatoikhsh kai oi sxetikes apallages, einai ena sygkekrimeno metro pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Yparxei mia seira apo alla metra poy enisxyoyn shmantika kai tis epixeirhseis, poy dhmioyrgoyn kalyteres dynatothtes gia anaptyjh epixeirhmatikoy klimatos me to na aplopoioyn forologikes diatajeis. Ola ayta ta zhthmata domoyn thn eikona mias metarryqmishs. Alla, an qeloyme na antilhfqoyme th metarryqmish kai na mhn kryboyme thn pragmatikothta -kai qelw na to prosejoyme ayto- qa prepei na prosejoyme oles tis kinhseis poy exoyn ginei, oxi monon ayth. Ayth h kinhsh einai h trith sth seira. Yparxei kai tetarth.

Katalabainete oti olh h eikona ths forologikhs metarryqmishs domeitai apo to aqroisma aytwn twn kinhsewn, opws qa perigrafei sto eidiko h sta eidika forologika nomosxedia. Etsi qa mporesei na ginei katanohto, ti metaballetai sto forologiko systhma.

ANTYPAS: Parakoloyqhsa me prosoxh thn topoqethsh sas sto forologiko, exw omws mia epifylajh. Dedomenoy oti sta oikonomika fylla diabazw oti ta mesaia strwmata qa epibarynqoyn apo th sygkekrimenh forologikh metarryqmish...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den bgainei apo poyqena ayto.

ANTYPAS: Einai basiko symperasma twn oikonomikwn efhmeridwn, shmera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporeite na moy ejhghsete giati, gia na to katalabw kai egw; To "epibarynqoyn", ennow.

ANTYPAS: To erwthma moy einai pws qa yparjei megeqynsh ths oikonomias kai ayjhsh ths paragwgikothtas, otan gia th syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn poy einai ta legomena mesaia strwmata, yparxei ena antikinhtro. Dhladh, apo ena shmeio kai meta exoyn "synetairo". Dhladh, an kapoios exei dyo doyleies kai paei na analabei mia trith, eytyxismenos kai xaroymenos -kai sigoyra den anhkei sto asqenes koinwnika strwma- apo ekei kai pera, thn trith doyleia thn kanei tzampa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia th forologia lete;

ANTYPAS: Nai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati, ayjhqhke o syntelesths kai den to gnwrizw;

ANTYPAS: Einai 40%. Apo ena orio kai panw einai san na exei "synetairo".

PRWTOPAPAS: As paroyme, loipon, enan ergazomeno -kala kanete kai to qetete, afoy apasxolei arketes efhmerides shmera to qema, na kanoyme mia syzhthsh ep` aytoy- gia na katalabete ton tropo skechs mas, wste na mporesete na mas krinete swsta. Prospaqw, loipon, polles fores, gi` ayto kanw kai ektetamenes anafores kai den apantw monolektika h poly grhgora, gia na sas dwsw na antilhfqeite kalytera ton tropo skechs mas. Einai safes oti ta metra ayta den epibarynoyn ta mesaia strwmata. Kaqe allo, malista. H lejh "epibarynoyn" adikei kai den exei na kanei me to sygkekrimeno paketo metrwn. Bebaiws, sas aneptyja tis proteraiothtes mas. Alla, yparxei kapoios se ayth thn aiqoysa poy na pisteyei oti den prepei na jekinhsoyme apo kapoy. Yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy exoyn anagkh na toys bohqhsei to kratos kai oi opoioi den mporoyn na ta bgaloyn pera, xwris ayth th bohqeia. Einai logiko h ypeyqynh politeia, ean pisteyei sthn enothta ths koinwnias, na jekina apo aytoys. Kai sas omologw oti protimoyme, gia paradeigma, na dwsoyme 100 eyrw se kapoion poy exei anagkh, para apo ena eyrw se 100 poy den to exoyn toso poly anagkh. Exoyme sygkekrimenoys poroys kai den toys moirazoyme ejisoy. Toys moirazoyme me proteraiothta se ekeinoys poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh. Giati, epidiwjh mas einai na enwsoyme thn koinwnia. Ayto aitiologei to giati katalhjame se ayth thn epilogh. Kai egw, o opoios exw ena a@ eisodhma, qa hqela na exw megalyterh forologikh elafrynsh. Fantazomai kai eseis. Apodexomai, omws, mesa moy oti prepei na jekinhsoyme apo ekeinon poy pairnei mia mikrh syntajh h apo ekeinon poy agwnizetai na ta bgalei pera me ena xamhlo misqo. Ayto einai dikaio kai prepei na to apodexqoyme ws polites. Den einai politika swsta ta dhmosieymata toy typoy oti epibarynontai kapoioi alloi h oti den elafrynontai toso poly. Apo kapoy prepei na jekinhsoyme tis foroelafrynseis. Kai to kanoyme syneidhta.

SOYRMELIDHS: Nai, alla poios plhrwnei; Apo poy qa ta "parete", ayth einai h erwthsh moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta plhrwnoyme apo th beltiwsh ths oikonomias kai thn patajh ths forodiafyghs. Sas plhroforw oti exoyn anebei para poly ta esoda apo ton tropo efarmoghs eisprajhs toy FPA kai th diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn poy ginetai. Kai ayta ta xrhmata, apo th beltiwsh ths oikonomias kai thn ayjhsh toy eqnikoy eisodhmatos -poy ayjanei kai th forologhtea ylh, ara kai ta esoda toy kratoys- ta moirazoyme dikaiotera. An yparxei allh protash, na mas thn kataqesei h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh. Na pei "mh dwsete 100 eyrw se kapoion poy exei anagkh, alla na toy dwsete ena kai na dwsete apo ena ston kaqena, dikhn karamelas, gia na poyme oti kaname kati". E, oxi, den einai ayth h politikh mas. Kai to exoyme jekaqarisei. Den einai akribes oti epibarynoyme alla strwmata. Poio metro einai ekeino poy "epibarynei". Qelw, de, na tonisw oti akomh kai sto diko mas misqo - oswn en pash periptwsei exoyme opoiasdhpote morfhs misqwth ergasia- to aforologhto isxyei. Afora kai emas h nea ejaggelia. Efarmozetai kai se emas to metro. Afora kai toys misqwtoys, poy exoyn poly megalyteroys misqoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

Greek Government Press Briefings in ASCII Greek Directory - Previous Article - Next Article