Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Meta to telos ths synedriashs o Prwqypoyrgos proebh se dhlwseis, tis opoies hdh gnwrizete.

Sthn eisagwgikh toy parembash o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths, anaferomenos sthn epeteio ths 3hs Septembrioy, eipe: "Qelw se oloys na qymisw oti shmera einai 3h Septembrh. To 1974, san shmera, o Andreas Papandreoy idryse to PASOK. To PASOK apo tote allaje thn politikh zwh ths xwras kai edwse ena neo rolo sthn Ellada. H hmera, loipon, ayth par` oti h 3h Septembrh fantazei poly makrinh, einai mia mera shmantikh kai kalo einai na qymomaste oti xreiazetai panta prwtoboylia, metarryqmish, maxh gia na mporesoyme na ejasfalisoyme ston topo, opws to kanoyme mexri twra, mia prooptikh eirhnhs kai eyhmerias".

Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos edwse to logo ston ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh gia na paroysiasei thn eishghsh toy ypoyrgeioy gia ta qemata ths forologikhs metarryqmishs kai idiaitera gia to tmhma ekeino poy afora ta aforologhta oria kai thn poreia orismenwn foroapallagwn. Gia ta qemata ayta o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn enhmerwnei ayth th stigmh, me synenteyjh toy, toys syntaktes toy ypoyrgeioy.

Epeidh shmera ginetai to mpoikotaz poy diorganwnoyn orismenes koinwnikes organwseis kai sthrizei h GSEE, me aformh to qema twn anatimhsewn, qelw na tonisw orismena shmeia poy epeshmane, eisagwgika, o Nikos Xristodoylakhs gia to qema twn timologiwn twn DEKO.

O ypoyrgos ypogrammise oti prepei na exoyme orismena pragmata ypoch mas, dioti teleytaia ginetai pleiodosia epixeirhmatwn -kyriws apo thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias- oti taxa oi DEKO eyqynontai gia thn pyrodothsh toy plhqwrismoy. Qelw na sas pw, tonise, oti apo tis 19 DEKO poy ekdidoyn timologia kai ephreazoyn ton katanalwth to 2002 pragmatopoihsan metaboles stis times -kai lew "metaboles" giati den ayjhsan oles tis times, alla yphrjan kai periptwseis poy yphrje meiwsh timwn- ligoteres apo tis mises. H mesh ayjhsh timwn htan 3,75%.

Ypenqymisw -eipe o k. Xristodoylakhs- oti h DEH ta tessera teleytaia xronia exei kanei synolikh ayjhsh katw toy 10%, otan o plhqwrismos sta kaysima kai thn paragwgh energeias einai panw apo to 15%.

Ta EL.TA., logw toy antagwnismoy kai ths ayjhshs poy yparxei sto xwro twn metaforwn, ekanan kapws megales ayjhseis poy anhlqan fetos sto 9,9%, alla meta apo polla xronia xamhlwn ayjhsewn.

H ERT, opws oloi gnwrizete, den exei kanei kamia ayjhsh ta tria teleytaia xronia.

H EYDAP ta tessera teleytaia xronia, exei kanei ayjhsh 12,5%, poy einai katw apo to orio toy aqroistikoy plhqwrismoy ths tetraetias.

H Etaireia Ydreyshs Qessalonikhs ekane ayjhsh 3%.

Stis sygkoinwnies den eixame kamia ayjhsh.

O OLP ekane ayjhsh ths tajhs toy 1%.

H Olympiakh Aeroporia ekane ayjhsh ths tajhs toy 7,5%, alla ayto parathrhqhke dieqnws.

O OTE exei kanei shmantikes meiwseis, ta tessera teleytaia xronia, poy mesostaqmika einai gyrw sto -15%.

An ypologistoyn -tonise o Nikos Xristodoylakhs- oi metaboles stis times twn DEKO poy shmeiwnoyn ayjhsh, aytes poy paramenoyn staqeres kai aytes poy shmeiwnoyn meiwsh, exoyme ena teliko apotelesma ston plhqwrismo, poy einai elaxisto se sxesh me to synoliko megeqos toy plhqwrismoy. Kata synepeia, osa legontai oti dhqen pyrodothqhke o plhqwrismos apo tis DEKO den eystaqoyn. Oyte se diasthma xronoy, oyte eidika fetos.

H ayjhsh twn telwn kykloforias, prosqese o ypoyrgos, erxetai meta apo pente xronia "pagwmenwn" telwn kai h ayjhsh kata 10% einai poly ypodeesterh toy plhqwrismoy ths pentaetias, einai peripoy sto miso. Fainetai, loipon, tonise, oti den pyrodothqhke o plhqwrismos apo metaboles stis times twn DEKO, alla o isxyrismos aytos apotelei eykolh diejodo ths antipoliteyshs oti dhqen ftaiei h kybernhsh poy anebhke o plhqwrismos.

Sth synexeia, o ypoyrgos anaferqhke se ayjhseis poy parathrhqhkan se orismena paradosiaka eidh, orismena proionta opws h ntomata, orismena katasthmata pwlhshs benzinhs, se estiatoria kai se orismenes apomakrysmenes perioxes. Bebaiws, qa ginoyn prospaqeies kai se aytoys toys tomeis, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme to qema ayto me oles tis dynameis mas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SKOYRHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno "pagwmatos" twn timwn twn DEKO;

PRWTOPAPAS: H topoqethsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Nikoy Xristodoylakh dinei apanthsh, mila apo monh ths.

SKOYRHS: Den ejetazei, dhladh!

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safhs h topoqethsh toy ypoyrgoy.

SKOYRHS: Den katalabainw, omws!

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai poly safes oti oi ayjhseis poy eginan stis times twn DEKO -sto ycos poy eginan- den ephreazoyn shmantika, qa elega oti ephreazoyn elaxista, dhladh poly katw apo mia posostiaia monada ton plhqwrismo.

SKOYRHS: Ara, mporei na erqoyn kai alles!

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei programmatistei, ayth th stigmh, kamia ayjhsh. Xeirizomaste to qema twn ayjhsewn sta timologia twn DEKO panta me bash tis genikoteres synqhkes ths oikonomias, panta sebomenoi to eisodhma toy polith kai ejasfalizontas monon ta aparaithta, wste na mporoyn oi DEKO na prosferoyn swstes yphresies ston polith. Tipota perissotero.

SKOYRHS: Hqela na rwthsw poy antimetwpizete eseis tis eyqynes ths Kybernhshs; Dioti otan epanerxetai h akribeia sthn atzenta meta apo pente xronia den mporei h kybernhsh einai o monos aneyqynos. Eseis poy entopizete aytes tis eyqynes; Sth mh prowqhsh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, sto oti "jefyge" apo to ypoyrgeio Emporioy, poy;

PRWTOPAPAS: As mhn jekinoyme panta, anazhtwntas ton ypeyqyno, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme oloi na toy rijoyme to anaqema kai na exoyme dhqen hsyxh th syneidhsh mas. Ayto einai ena qema poy mas afora oloys. Opws eipa prin oi anatimhseis, kata kyrio logo, prohlqan mesa apo thn idia thn agora. Yphrjan se orismena proionta poy kata paradosh parathroyntai taseis anatimhshs to kalokairi, opws gia paradeigma h ntomata. Yphrjan, epishs -opws anefere o k. Xristodoylakhs- kai se orismena estiatoria, se apomakrysmenes perioxes -ejaitias kai toy eidikoy baroys poy parathreitai to kalokairi me ton toyrismo- opws kai se orismena katasthmata pwlhshs kaysimwn. Isws kai se orismena alla eidh kai mia seira alles epixeirhseis. Isws kai epixeirhseis pio dynamikes, pio ektetamenhs parembashs, poy ekmetalleythkan to gegonos poy parathrhqhke kai proxwrhsan se yperbolikes anatimhseis orismenwn proiontwn.

Qelw na pw oti leitoyrgoyme se synqhkes eleyqerhs agoras. Kai stis synqhkes aytes bebaiws h kybernhsh prepei na kanei to kaqhkon ths. Th symbolh, omws, sth diamorfwsh twn timwn thn exoyme oloi: kai h kybernhsh kai oi epixeirhseis kai, bebaiws, exei dynatothta na parembei o idios o poliths. Me ayth thn ennoia shmeiwnw oti h kybernhsh ekane to kaqhkon ths, otan -parathrwntas ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan gyrw apo tis anatimhseis kai thn cyxologia poy yphrje, se ena tmhma toy plhqysmoy, gyrw apo to eyrw- parenebh, mesw twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn, se seira apo qemata sta opoia mporoyse na askhsei politikh se synqhkes eleyqerhs oikonomias kai agoras. To prwto htan oi parembaseis toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs me tis "symfwnies kyriwn" sto xwro ths paragwghs, poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn epishmansh ths anagkhs gia sygkrathsh stis enwseis twn paragwgwn kai ta soyper market. Ayta eginan. Opws, epishs -kati poy anhkei sthn armodiothta toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn- kai thn timwria ekeinwn poy kerdoskopoyn kai aisxrokerdoyn, poy proxwra meta toys epaneilhmmenoys kai synexeis elegxoys, toys opoioys -eidika to teleytaio diasthma kai meta th diapistwsh aytwn twn fainomenwn- pragmatopoiei to SDOE.

Qelw, omws, na shmeiwsw oti poly megalo rolo qa diadramatisoyn kai oi kinhseis twn idiwn twn katanalwtwn, twn politwn. Den metaqetoyme se aytoys thn eyqynh. Analambanoyme th dikh mas eyqynh, alla oi kinhseis ths koinwnias, h energopoihsh toy polith, oi kinhseis aytonomwn kinhmatwn sto xwro ths paragwghs mporoyn na diadramatisoyn -kai pisteyoyme oti pragmati qa diadramatisoyn- enan idiaitera shmantiko rolo.

Emeis, ws kybernhsh, den mporoyme oyte na prospaqhsoyme na kaqodhghsoyme ta kinhmata, oyte na antiparateqoyme sta kinhmata. Den prepei kai den qa to kanoyme pote. Mporoyme, omws, na poyme oti kinhtopoihseis san kai aytes poy ginontai shmera -opws tonisa kai xqes, einai shmantikes, exoyn th dikh toys ajia. Kai ayto giati deixnoyn oti oi polites exoyn apoch, energopoioyntai, droyn kai stelnoyn mhnymata pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Kai pros emas kai pros thn agora. Kaq` oson mas afora lambanoyme ta mhnymata ayta kai probainoyme stis anagkaies kinhseis, opws tis periegraca. Kai mesa sthn agora kai mesw twn elegktikwn mhxanismwn kai mesw olwn twn mhxanismwn poy diaqetoyme se synqhkes eleyqerhs agoras. To idio mhnyma, omws, prepei na to parei kai h agora, opoy ta fainomena aisxrokerdeias kai kerdoskopias prepei twra na stamathsoyn.

SKOYRHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete th dhlwsh toy Grammatea toy PASOK, oti pleon den anexomaste ta fainomena aisxrokerdeias kai alogisths ayjhshs twn timwn, eite apo emporikes epixeirhseis, eite apo dhmosioys h koinwfeleis organismoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kamia proqesh na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy Grammatea toy PASOK. O Kwstas Laliwths ejefrase th qesh toy Kinhmatos se ena toso sobaro qema. Qelw na sas qymisw oti einai diaforetikh h stash mias kybernhshs apenanti sta aytonoma koinwnika kinhmata, opoy prepei na ta akoysei, na synomilei mazi toys kai na prospaqei na analambanei thn eyqynh kai na lynei problhmata kai diaforetikh h qesh enos politikoy kommatos poy mporei na symporeyetai me ta idia ta kinhmata. Pisteyw oti apo ayth th skopia edrase poly swsta o Kwstas Laliwths.

SKOYRHS: Akoma kai otan anaferetai se dhmosioys h koinwfeleis organismoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka, hdh, synolika kai den ajiologw kanena kommati ths omilias toy. Ayth h apoch moy einai pagia.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean meta apo ayth th grammh ths plhroys aytonomhshs, metajy kybernhshs kai kommatos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai diaforetikos o rolos. Eimaste sthn idia politikh kai kata to Syntagma mas kai kata thn idia politikh poy yparxei, mesa apo tis synqhkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai. Ayto den shmainei oti den yparxoyn diakritoi roloi. To politiko komma synomilei me ta kinhmata kai mporei na symporeyetai me ayta. H kybernhsh den mporei oyte na prospaqei na kaqodhgei aytonoma kinhmata, oyte na antiparatiqetai me ayta. Prepei na akoyei kai na prospaqei sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn ths. Einai dyo diaforetikoi roloi. As mhn exoyme apories. Ayto ginetai kai prepei na ginetai, giati o diakritos rolos toy kommatos apo thn kybernhsh, bebaiws, sthn idia politikh, prepei na yparxei. Antiqeta, ean den ginotan ayto, qa eynoyxizotan to komma. Kaneis den exei tetoia diaqesh.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh me thn krish toy asfalistikoy eixe kyriarxhsei ena slogkan poy elege oti to PASOK kanei kai thn kybernhsh kai thn antipoliteysh kai epikoinwniaka, mporei na pei kaneis, oti eixate ofelh, mhpws epanalambanetai to idio slogkan sth neoterh toy ekdoxh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mas lete, isws, emmesws plhn safws, oti den yparxei ikanh ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh sthn Ellada. Qa mporoysa apolyta na symfwnhsw mazi sas.

ARGYROS: Yphrje problhmatismos sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ean qa prepei na einai megalytero to aforologhto h ean qa eprepe kapoios apo toys katargoymenoys foroys na mhn katarghqei gia na xrhsimopoihqei gia thn paideia h kapoy alloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, yphrje ploysios problhmatismos. Ejalloy, oi synedriaseis ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs den ginontai gia na symfwnoyme, alla gia na anaptyssoyme apoceis. Eginan, pragmati, polles protaseis, yphrje problhmatismos kai katalhjame se ena apotelesma, poy egine omofwna apodekto.

IWANNOY: Gia to aforologhto, yphrjan problhmatismoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan poly pio synqetoi oi problhmatismoi. Kaneis den anaferqhke mono sto na katebei h na anebei to aforologhto. Oloi aneptyjan enan pio synqeto problhmatismo, se sxesh me th forologikh metarryqmish kai th sxesh ths me ton Proypologismo. Aytos o problhmatismos, poy eixe kai epimeroys diaforetikes protaseis, syneteqh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai katalhjame sthn apofash poy paroysiasthke.

KONTOPOYLOS: Yphrje, dhladh, amfisbhthsh ths filosofias toy k. Xristodoylakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, oxi. Otan ginontai protaseis kai syzhthsh gia para polla stoixeia ths forologikhs metarryqmishs -apo to epipedo ths kalyterhs katanohshs, mexri to epipedo twn protasewn- ayto shmainei oti eisai entos ths filosofias ths metarryqmishs. Den eisai boybo proswpo se ena kybernhtiko organo, anaptysseis tis qeseis soy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Otan, omws, kaneis diaforetikes epiloges kai diaforetikh synqesh, shmainei oti...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean me rwtate gia diaforetikh filosofia, apantw oxi.

KONTOPOYLOS: Yphrjan ypoyrgoi poy qewroyn oti yparxei problhma me to aforologhto twn noikokyriwn, oti einai poly mikro, se syndyasmo me ayto poy rwthqhkate, oti den ginetai na parameinoyn kapoioi foroi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa hdh s` ayto.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxoyn proswpikes topoqethseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto qema toy mpoykotaz kai toy plhqwrismoy. Ean symfwnhse o Prwqypoyrgos me thn paroysiash toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias gia thn epidrash twn timologiwn twn DEKO.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, gia na sas to paroysiasw edw, einai aytonohto. Oson afora to mpoykotaz isxyoyn ayta poy exoyme pei, den prosqese tipota.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Pws h kybernhsh zhta apo thn agora, apo toys epixeirhmaties kai ton emporiko kosmo na mhn kanoyn anatimhseis kai na einai prosektikoi sto qema twn ayjhsewn twn proiontwn, otan apo ayta toylaxiston poy mas anaferate, asxeta ean ephreazoyn h oxi ton plhqwrismo, exoyn epibarynsh sto kostos leitoyrgias toy kaqe katasthmatos. Oi perissoteres DEKO, gia paradeigma ta ELTA, apo o,ti mas eipate exoyn poly megalyteres ayjhseis apo ton plhqwrismo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mono ta ELTA.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia thn EYDAP, 12,5% den eipate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa se tessera xronia. O plhqwrismos htan parapanw aqroistika. Htan panw apo 12,5.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ta telh kykloforias anebhkan 15%.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn topoqethsh moy qa deite oti oi DEKO, opws eipa xarakthristika, einai 19 kai apo aytes mono sta ELTA mporoyme na poyme oti yphrje, logw pollwn synqhkwn, mia shmantikh yperbash toy plhqwrismoy. Oi ypoloipes 18 den antedrasan etsi. Praktika, me tis DEKO den yphrje problhma. Katarreei, loipon, ena kentriko epixeirhma ths N.D. Otan h N.D. anaferetai se pragmata poy den stekoyn, gyrw apo to qema twn anatimhsewn twn DEKO, ofeiloyme na to epishmanoyme. Den htan h symbolh twn timologiwn twn DEKO tetoia, wste na ephreasei oysiastika ton plhqwrismo kai na dhmioyrghsei kyma akribeias. Einai myqos ayta poy isxyrizetai h N.D. Oson afora ta telh, oti qa yparjei protash gia ayjhsh 10%, exw na pw oti: Prwton, den exei ginei ayth h ayjhsh kai fysika den exei katablhqei. H ayjhsh twn telwn, meta apo pente xronia pagwmatos, kata 10%, einai kata poly ypodeesterh toy aqroistikoy plhqwrismoy ths 5etias. Einai peripoy h mish. Kapoia stigmh prepei na ayjhqoyn ta telh. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti ayta ta xrhmata den exoyn katablhqei, ara den exoyn epidrasei stis times. Einai paralogo na leme oti kati poy qa ginei exei dhmioyrghsei kyma akribeias sthn agora. Den einai sobara pragmata ayta. Otan den exei ginei kati, otan piqana den qa ginei kai tis epomenes ebdomades, leme oti hdh exei diadramatisei toso shmantiko rolo sthn ayjhsh toy plhqwrismoy;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: O kaqe emporos kai o kaqe epixeirhmatias pairnei paradeigma apo thn taktikh toy kratoys. Otan to kratos leei oti den mporw na dwsw ayjhseis stoys Panepisthmiakoys kai mporw na ta dwsw ton epomeno xrono, to idio prepei na kanei kai gia ta timologia twn DEKO, gia na dwsei to kalo paradeigma. Den mporei na kathgorei mono toys epixeirhmaties kai ton emporiko kosmo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat arxas, na labete ypoch sas oti prin apo dyo-tria xronia h kybernhsh edwse ayjhseis 20 ews 40% stoys Panepisthmiakoys. Epishs, oi ayjhseis poy doqhkan stoys ergazomenoys sto Dhmosio tomea, einai ayjhmenos kata 9%, sto telos toy 2002, se sxesh me thn arxh toy. Einai, dhladh, poly parapanw apo ton plhqwrismo. Opws, epishs, qelw na sas qymisw oti h symbash poy ypegrace h GSEE me to SEB einai arketa ychloterh toy plhqwrismoy. Yphrje plhrhs prostasia kai sebasmos sto eisodhma twn ergazomenwn. Apo kei kai pera, to kratos den einai mia afhrhmenh ennoia. Ean, h DEH, den mporei na eksygxronisei ta diktya gia na fqanei to reyma sto spiti sas kai apo kakh synthrhsh twn diktywn to reyma den fqasei, eseis qa yposteite prwtos aytes tis synepeies. Mhn exoyme thn aisqhsh oti yparxei spatalh, poy exei san apotelesma aytes tis ayjhseis. Den bazoyme ston kratiko proypologismo ta xrhmata poy proerxontai apo aytes tis mikres ayjhseis. Ayta phgainoyn ston idio ton katanalwth, gyrizoyn pisw. Dinontai gia paroxh kalyterwn yphresiwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Synexws akoyme oti h kybernhsh kanei poly kala th doyleia ths. Wstoso, exoyme problhmata se polloys tomeis. Poios ftaiei, poy to estiazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn problhmata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mas ta paroysiazete poly eidylliaka...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa, ta gegonota. Rwtate ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo na sas pei poios akribws ftaiei; O Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos perigrafei thn politikh ths kybernhshs kai thn anaptyssei me sygkekrimena kai tekmhriwmena stoixeia. Ejalloy, ta stoixeia poy paraqetw miloyn apo mona toys. Analyw, epishs, kai tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Sthn Ellada exoyme eleyqerotypia, eseis ws dhmosiografos mporeite na mas krinete kai tis apoceis sas na tis gracete sthn efhmerida sas. An krinete oti eyqynomaste emeis, na to gracete sthn efhmerida sas. Den sas sterei kaneis to dikaiwma ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw tis kales proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Yparxei, omws, kai ena apotelesma kai se ayto prepei na doqei mia apanthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: H apanthsh gia tis kinhseis mas kai gia ta osa exoyn na kanoyn me to xwro ths agoras, dinetai apo tis prajeis mas. Oi prospaqeies mas kai oi agwnies mas einai orates. O diarkhs agwnas mas gia to kalytero, einai h apanthsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Diabazoyme shmera stis efhmerides oti prokeitai na ginei mia allagh ston epopteyonta eisaggelea k. Karoytso poy exei thn eyqynh gia tis ereynes, oson afora thn tromokratia. Sygkekrimena, anaferetai oti o k. Karoytsos ypobaqmizetai kai qa topoqethqei allos eisaggelikos leitoyrgos. Qa hqela na rwthsw, giati symbainei ayto kai poioi logoi odhghsan tis arxes se ayth thn epilogh. Na shmeiwsw oti o k. Karoytsos eixe epilhfqei, sto parelqon, toy arxeioy poy eixe afhsei o Tsebas.

PRWTOPAPAS: To diabasa ki egw shmera ston Typo, alla apeyqynete thn erwthsh se laqos proswpo. Oloi gnwrizete oti to Symboylio Efetwn exei thn aytonomia toy. H olh diadikasia epopteyetai apo anwtatoys dikastikoys leitoyrgoys, oi opoioi den mas rwtoyn poion qa topoqethsoyn. Kai poly kala kanoyn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Omws, epeidh einai gnwsth kai h eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs -allwste ton Prwqypoyrgo ton exoyme akoysei epaneillhmena na leei oti qa xyqei apleto fws sthn ypoqesh ths tromokratias kai akomh exei milhsei gia syntriptiko xtyphma kata ths tromokratias- fantazomai oti oi allages aytes exoyn...

PRWTOPAPAS: To erwthma mas prepei na to apeyqynete pros to Symboylio Efetwn kai pros ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, o opoios xeirizetai me idiaiterh prosoxh, eyqynh kai sobarothta to qema ayto. Den prepei na to apeyqynete se mena. Exoyme anejarthth Dikaiosynh sthn Ellada, qelw na sas to qymizw.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn apoch poy exei ekfrasei o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados oti gia thn anodo toy plhqwrismoy ftaine oi ayjhseis poy doqhkan stoys misqoys twn ypallhlwn; Ta timologia toy OTE meiwqhkan kata 15%. Ayth einai h mesostaqmikh. Jerete sthn astikh monada poia htan h ejelijh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H synolikh epiptwsh sta noikokyria einai mesostaqmikh. Apo ekei kai pera, den dhlwse ayto o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados, dhladh oti ftaine oi ayjhseis stoys misqoys gia ton plhqwrismo. Prepei na diabasoyme prosektika tis dhlwseis toy dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Gkargkana. H Trapeza ths Ellados einai aytonomo organo, opws jerete, kanei tis dikes ths ektimhseis, alla bebaiws den eipe ayto o k. Gkargkanas.

IWANNOY: Na sas rwthsw, ean shmera symmetexete sto mpoikotaz;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri twra, den etyxe na probw se agores. An me rwtate ws polith, exw pragmati thn eswterikh parormhsh na symmetasxw sto mpoikotaz. Ws poliths ayths ths xwras kai oxi ws ypoyrgos, me eyxaristhsh symmetexw sto mpoikotaz.

SKOYRHS: Hqela na pw oti h topoqethsh toy k. Xristodoylakh periexei mia sofistia, giati sto qema twn epiptwsewn ston plhqwrismo prepei na anaferqoyme kai stis misqologikes dapanes twn DEKO, einai to qema ths apeleyqerwshs twn agorwn, se sxesh me thn apeleyqerwsh twn timwn, kai nomizw kai mia synolikh metakinhsh, giati otan ayjanontai ta telh kykloforias, otan ayjanontai ta asfalistra twn aytokinhtwn kai otan exoyme mia yperforologhsh sta kaysima, tote ek twn pragmatwn ayta exoyn epiptwseis sthn idia thn agora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsame gia mia seira apo zhthmata. Yphrjan dyo isxyrismoi poy akoysthkan aytes tis meres: Htan oi isxyrismoi ths N.D. gia tis DEKO. Sas apanthsa. Apanthsa, epishs, kai gia ta fainomena ths aisxrokerdeias sto xwro ths paragwghs. Jerete poly kala tis terasties ejygiantikes parembaseis poy eginan prosfata sto xwro twn petrelaioeidwn. Ara, h kybernhsh doyleyei kai doyleyei kala.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oson afora thn 3h Septembrh. Anaferqhke se ena triptyxo: Prwtoboylia, metarryqmish kai maxh. Ayto yponoei kai thn "aytometarryqmish" toy PASOK, ws kommatikoy organismoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan leme metarryqmish, ennooyme metarryqmish mesa sthn koinwnia. Metarryqmish sthn oikonomia mas, sthn paragwgh, stoys qesmoys, metarryqmish stis koinwnikes sxeseis. Otan milame gia metarryqmish kai qeloyme na dhmioyrghsoyme mia kainoyrgia politikh, einai safes oti kai to politiko ypokeimeno prepei na kanei tis idies allages. Dioti, ean to politiko ypokeimeno den mporei na "tsekarei" tis dikes toy allages, den mporei na paragei th nea politikh thn opoia eyaggelizetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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