Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-05

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, ayrio den qa pragmatopoihqei h politikh enhmerwsh, logw ths anaxwrhshs toy kybernhtikoy klimakioy gia th Qessalonikh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KOYIN: Qa hqela mia dieykrinhsh: Xqes to brady, o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas, milwntas ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Larisa gia th diafora twn 40 draxmwn sto qema ths epidothshs, eipe oti h kybernhsh qa dwsei kaqe maxh, xrhsimopoiwntas ola ta anagkaia mesa, akoma kai to beto. Ti qema einai ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se poio shmeio ths omilias anafereste;

KOYIN: Einai apo to epishmo keimeno poy esteile to ypoyrgeio. En pash periptwsei, skopeyei h Ellada na askhsei beto gia ta qemata ths agrotikhs politikhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw dei to plhres keimeno. Qa to diabasw kai qa sas apanthsw. Ej oswn gnwrizw, pantws, apo ta shmeia ths omilias poy exw diabasei, o k. Papantwnioy ekane mia genikoterh anafora sth diekdikhsh -ayto poy exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, dhladh- ths kalychs me eqnikoys poroys meroys ths diaforas apo to prosdokwmeno poso, ean den eixame yperbei thn posothta. Gnwrizete oti ayth h diadikasia ekkremei. Qa exoyme thn eykairia na syzhthsoyme ayth thn protash mas sto plaisio kai toy atypoy Symboylioy twn Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias poy qa pragmatopoihqei gyrw stis 10 Septembrioy, sth Dania. Ean ola pane kala -kai pisteyw oti h maxh qa doqei me toys kalyteroys dynatoys oroys kai proypoqeseis- qa exoyme thn eykairia na qesoyme kai epishmws thn protash sto plaisio toy typikoy Symboylioy twn Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias, stis 26 Septembrioy. Ayth einai h diadikasia. Mhn jexnate oti einai aithma ths ellhnikhs pleyras.

KOYIN: Ara, qema beto ek meroys ths kybernhshs den yparxei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai aithma ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Den exw dei to sygkekrimeno keimeno, alla pisteyw oti ayto poy eipwqhke apo ton k. Papantwnioy, einai ayto poy leme oloi: Oti to aithma ayto diekdikeitai sqenara kai h proqesh mas einai na peisoyme toys etairoys mas, wste sto plaisio ths akoloyqoymenhs eyrwpaikhs agrotikhs politikhs na mas epitrapei, me eqnikoys poroys, na kalycoyme ena meros ths diaforas, eidika gia fetos. Me thn eykairia, qa hqela na sxoliasw oti yparxoyn arketa aisiodojes ektimhseis, me bash tis prwtes anafores, tis prwtes ekqeseis ths armodias Epitrophs ths E.E., gia tis ines. Gnwrizete oti, symfwna me tis ektimhseis ayths ths Epitrophs, ean -tonizw to "ean", gia na mhn yparxoyn parejhghseis- h paragwgh krathqei mesa sta oria poy problepei o kanonismos, qa exoyme idiaitera ikanopoihtikh timh gia to bambaki, gia th fetinh xronia. Einai ena qema poy prepei oloi na doyme kai na yparjei apolyth synergasia Ypoyrgeioy kai paragwgwn, wste na thrhqei o kanonismos, na mhn mporesoyn diaforoi epithdeioi na dhmioyrghsoyn pali problhmata kai na exoyme idiaitera qetikes apodoseis gia to bambaki.

KOYNTATOY: Enocei kai ths synedriashs toy EKOFIN sthn Kopegxagh to Sabbatokyriako, qa hqela na rwthsw poia einai h gnwmh ths Elladas gia to Symfwno Staqerothtas. Pisteyei, dhladh, oti prepei na yparjei kapoia "xalarwsh", oson afora thn thrhsh twn kanonwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, moy dinete thn eykairia na tonisw oti o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakhs qa apoysiazei apo th D.E.Q., logw ths synedriashs toy EKOFIN. Ayto kriqhke skopimo apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. To epishmainw ayto, gia na mhn prolabei kapoios na qesei erwthma, otan diapistwsei thn apoysia toy. Bebaiws, h qesh ths Elladas einai safhs. Proxwroyme me toys sygkekrimenoys oroys toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai na synexisei h Eyrwph tis koines politikes, thn koinh prospaqeia, symfwna kai me tis apofaseis twn Synodwn Koryfhs kai eidikotera ths Barkelwnhs.

IWANNOY: Einai alhqeia oti o Prwqypoyrgos esteile mia epistolh, me hmeromhnia 2 Septembrioy, se ola ta melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, enocei twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmarxiakwn eklogwn kai an mporeite na mas peite akribws ti toys parotrynei na kanoyn kai giati to ekane ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe proanaggeilei, peripoy edw kai 15 meres, ayth thn parembash. Sygkekrimena sthn prwth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, meta thn periodo twn qerinwn diakopwn, eixe pei oti prepei ola ta stelexh na dwsoyn energa th maxh gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Einai ekloges poy krinoyn to mellon ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs kai prepei na eimaste energa parontes stis diadikasies toys. Sto plaisio, loipon, ayths ths anaforas, o Prwqypoyrgos apesteile, me thn idiothta toy Proedroy toy PASOK, epistolh se ola ta melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, me thn opoia toys kalei na dwsoyn th maxh, na strateyqoyn me bash tis apofaseis toy Kinhmatos kai thn organwtikh diatajh poy exei apofasisei to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK. Exei apofasistei mia sygkekrimenh organwtikh diatajh gia ta stelexh mas kai o Prwqypoyrgos, me thn idiothta panta toy Proedroy toy PASOK, enisxyei me thn proswpikh toy parembash th diatajh ayth, kalwntas ola ta stelexh na systrateytoyn kai na einai paronta sthn eklogikh maxh.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei diapistwsei h kybernhsh oti den yparxei toso megalh proqymia, gi` ayto xreiazotan kai h proswpikh parembash toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den einai qema ths kybernhshs. Deyteron, gia na krinei kapoios an yparxei proqymia h oxi, prepei prwta na dei th diatajh, h opoia jekina twra. O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK krinei skopimo, logw ths sobarothtas toy qematos, na parembei proswpika kai na tonisei oti ta stelexh mas kai eidika ta melh ths K.E. toy PASOK, bebaiws kai oi ypoyrgoi kai oi boyleytes mas prepei na dwsoyn to parwn sth maxh twn eklogwn. Prepei na eimaste stis perifereies mas kai prepei na analaboyme kai eyqynes, wste na symbaloyme sth drash toy kommatos mas se ayth thn krisimh eklogikh maxh gia to mellon ths Aytodioikhshs.

GARGALAKOS: Shmera yphrxe synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Mhpws exete kati gia to periexomeno ths synanthshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei oloklhrwqei.

GARGALAKOS: E, kala. Peste mas kati.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys ginontai, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn qemata ths armodiothtas toys. Einai safes pws otan pragmatopoieitai synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs qa afora zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn politikh toy ypoyrgeioy toy.

GARGALAKOS: Kai gia to qema ths tromokratias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fysika kai gia to qema ths tromokratias. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs exei taktikes synanthseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ton enhmerwnei kai syzhtoyn tis kateyqynseis gyrw apo ayta ta qemata. Kai gnwrizete oti den yparxoyn synhqws anakoinwseis, meta apo aytes tis synanthseis.

GARGALAKOS: Nai, alla synhqws meta apo tetoies synanthseis kati ginetai. Mhpws etoimazontai nees syllhceis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi syllhceis apofasizontai apo tis Arxes Asfaleias kai tis armodies diwktikes arxes. Den apofasizontai se politiko epipedo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis dhlwseis k. Papantwnioy, o opoios dhlwse xqes sth Larisa oti h dhmokratia apokatastaqhke sthn Ellada to 1981;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xrhsimopoieite lejh poy den thn eipe o k. Papantwnioy. To qymamai kala ayto to shmeio ths dhlwshs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Symmerizeste, loipon tis dhlwseis toy k. Papantwnioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas ekfwnhse mia megalh politikh omilia se mia kommatikh ekdhlwsh sth Larisa. Safws, h omilia toy k. Papantwnioy einai sto plaisio ths politikhs mas. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqenas xrhsimopoiei toys proswpikoys toy tonoys. Kai den einai dynato na krinoyme toys proswpikoys tonoys. Epanalambanw oti h omilia toy k. Papantwnioy htan apolyta entos toy genikoy plaisioy ths strathgikhs, ths politikhs poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh kai to komma mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Dhladh, symmerizeste to ``sklhro rok'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Ean omileite gia ta politika zhthmata, apanthsa. Apo kei kai pera, einai safes oti to kaqe stelexos, oloi mas, ola ta stelexh toy PASOK, exoyn toys proswpikoys toys tonoys. Den einai dynato na krinoyme o enas tis omilies toy alloy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den milame gia ayta, eginan xarakthrismoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi xarakthrismoi aforoyn th N.D. Twra moy zhtate na krinw ti xarakthrismoys kanoyn ta stelexh toy PASOK gia th N.D. kai meta na krinoyme ton k. Roysopoylo ti xarakthrismoys kanoyn ta stelexh ths N.D gia to PASOK; Den qa teleiwsoyme pote. Ta stelexh mas kinoyntai se ena plaisio politikhs kai mesa s` ayto xrhsimopoioyn kai ton proswpiko toys tono, kanoyn tis anafores toys. Ola ayta einai safh. Den mporei na ta krinoyme. Den mporoyme na baloyme sto mikroskopio thn topoqethsh kaqe stelexoys kai na analyoyme giati eipwqhke h a@ h h b@ lejh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H Dhmokratia pote apokatastaqhke kyrie Ypoyrge;

PRWTOPAPAS: Filosofika prepei panta na doyleyoyme gia thn anabaqmish ths poiothtas ths Dhmokratias. Ean qelete na topoqethqw ek neoy, epanalambanw oti bebaiws, meta to 1974 exoyme Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia sthn Ellada. Ayto den to amfisbhtei kaneis. Meta to 1981 h kybernhsh toy Andrea Papandreoy ekane shmantikotates parembaseis -qa tis xarakthriza idiaitera krisimes istorika- gia na yparjei plhrhs apokatastash ths enothtas toy ellhnikoy laoy. Tetoio paradeigma htan h anagnwrish ths Eqnikhs Antistashs. Epishs, proxwrhse sthn katarghsh kaqe metroy, kaqe diatajhs, h opoia diaxwrize toys Ellhnes polites. Mia apo aytes, htan h katarghsh toy atomikoy fakeloy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sas diabazw epi lejei: H Dhmokratia to 1974 htan mia plasth kai ceydepigrafh Dhmokratia. Ayth einai h frash ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn apomonwnete fraseis apo oloklhres omilies. Na diabasete sto synolo ths thn topoqethsh.

KAPPOS: H ka Mpakogiannh anakoinwse xqes to chfodeltio ths. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exete kapoio sxolio gia th synqesh toy kai kyriws gia to periexomeno ths omilias poy afora th maxh twn dhmotikwn eklogwn sthn Aqhna. Lambanei sklhrotera xarakthristika antiparaqeshs h antiqeta ta amblynei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na krinw osa eipe h ka Mpakogiannh.

KAPPOS: Sto deytero skelos;

PRWTOPAPAS: H maxh gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh einai eyrytera politikh. Kalo qa einai na mhn paei se stena kommatiko plaisio. O Dhmos ths Aqhnas exei politika xarakthristika, dioti politiko einai to zhthma. Ti eidoys Aytodioikhsh oramatizesai kai pws antilambanesai thn prooptikh kai to mellon toy qesmoy. Einai enas politikos agwnas poy prepei na doqei me eyprepeia kai hqos. Kalo qa einai na apofeyxqoyn oi mikrokommatikes skopimothtes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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