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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Eisagwgika qelw na anaferqw se orismena qemata:

Prwt` ap` ola, qelw na ekfrasw th baqia lyph mas gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy sthn Kypro kai to qanato pente anqrwpwn. H kybernhsh qa syndramei sthn ereyna gia thn plhrh diakribwsh twn aitiwn ths ptwshs toy elikopteroy. Opws exei hdh dhlwsei kai o kybernhtikos ekproswpos ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias ola deixnoyn pws htan dystyxhma. Wstoso, h ereyna qa proxwrhsei se baqos. To apogeyma qa metaboyn me stratiwtiko aeroskafos sthn Kypro dyo eidikoi, oi opoioi qa syndramoyn sto ergo ths ereynas poy exei hdh jekinhsei apo thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia.

Syllypoymaste thn kypriakh kybernhsh kai tis oikogeneies twn qymatwn. Kai, bebaiws, opws panta, se aytes tis dyskoles wres eimaste sto pleyro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

Deyteron, qelw na sxoliasw dyo idiaitera qetika gegonota:

O Prwqypoyrgos elabe shmera epistolh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy k. Toni Mpler, me thn opoia ton sygxairei gia thn proodo poy shmeiwqhke sto qema ths "17 Noembrh". Einai mia idiaitera "qermh" epistolh me thn opoia sygxairei ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo kai thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gi` ayth thn prospaqeia. Zhta enhmerwsh dioti yparxei idiaitero endiaferon gia thn ejeyresh twn dolofonwn toy tajiarxoy Sonters kai epishmainei oti, opws panta, oi Arxes toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy kai eidika h Mhtropolitikh Astynomia, briskontai sth diaqesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn opoia symbolh xreiastei. H epistolh ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Bretanias k. Mpler qa sas doqei meta to telos ths politikhs enhmerwshs.

Qelw, epishs, na shmeiwsw oti, ektos apo th sygxarhthria epistolh toy k. Mpler, yparxoyn idiaitera qetikes kai "qermes" dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy toy gallikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, o opoios synexarh thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia thn epityxia ths ayth kai opws eipe xarakthristika, h gallikh kybernhsh ananewnei thn empistosynh ths pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai toys ypeyqynoys toy agwna kata ths tromokratias.

Triton, qelw na sas enhmerwsw symplhrwmatika gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas:

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos phge ston Peiraia. Exei anaferqei analytika sthn omilia toy gia thn proodo poy synteleitai se ola ta erga poy kataskeyazontai ston Peiraia.

To apogeyma, stis 7.15, qa exei synanthsh me thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy kai MME, prokeimenoy na ton enhmerwsoyme gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy.

Sth synexeia, stis 8 h wra, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

Ayrio, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me antikeimeno syzhthshs tria qemata: Prwton, qa yparjei enhmerwsh apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh gia tis ejelijeis kai thn proodo twn mexri twra ereynwn, gyrw apo to zhthma ths patajhs ths tromokratias. Deyteron, qa yparjei enhmerwsh apo ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Filippo Petsalniko kai sth synexeia qa ginei epilogh twn anwtatwn dikastikwn gia thn plhrwsh twn qesewn, poy -opws gnwrizete- ekkremoyn. Triton, qa yparjei enhmerwsh apo ton ypoyrgo Makedonias, Qrakhs Giwrgo Pasxalidh gia thn apofash ths diekdikhshs ths EXPO 2008 sth Qessalonikh.

Stis 14.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias kai Pronoias Kwsta Stefanh.

Stis 7 to apogeyma qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths K.E. toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h diypoyrgikh epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy qa pragmatopoihqei se xwro toy ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias sth Lewforo Aqhnwn 58. Antikeimeno ths synedriashs qa einai h anaptyjh ths ypaiqroy kai o agrotikos toyrismos. Meta to peras ths synedriashs qa yparjei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Stis 13.30 qa exei synanthsh me toys ypoyrgoys Kwsta Skandalidh, Filippo Petsalniko kai Mixalh Xrysoxoidh me thn paroysia kai toy Genikoy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia qemata poy aforoyn thn politikh ths laqrometanasteyshs.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie ekproswpe, xqes to brady, mas kalesate ektaktws kai mas kanate mia sklhrh dhlwsh gia th dhmosiopoihsh ths fwtografias toy traymatisqentos kai feromenoy ws tromokrath Jhroy. Kataggeilate thn praktikh toy Mesoy Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, alla apofygate na to katonomasete. Ayto dinei aformes gia ermhneies oti oloi mporei na kanoyn to idio pragma. Kai shmera exoyme kai thn epanadhmosieysh se orismenes efhmerides. Giati, loipon, ejeidikeymena den katalogizete tis eyqynes gia na jeroyme poioi kai pws kanoyn kai ti den kanoyn, an den kanoyn kala th doyleia toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: An ayto einai to problhma oloi gnwrizoyme oti h xqesinh fwtografia htan ston thleoptiko staqmo Alter. Omws, to problhma den einai to poios staqmos einai, alla to poia logikh akoloyqei. Anaferomai se kapoies apo tis erwthseis poy ginontai edw. Qa prepei na antiparateqoyme se logikes. Yparxoyn orismenes logikes poy exoyn emfanistei ayton ton kairo -anaferqhka se aytes kai th Deytera- poy den distazoyn na isopedwsoyn kaqe ennoia deontologias kai anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias. Logikes poy mas qigoyn oloys, olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Logikes poy metaballoyn to meizon qema, poy einai ena eqniko qema, ena qema poy afora olh thn koinwnia, thn patajh ths tromokratias se emporio qeamatos toy xeiristoy eidoys. Aytes prepei na tis antimetwpisoyme, opoy kai an emfanizontai. Kai an xreiastei na katonomazoyme eite kanalia, eite efhmerides. To kyrio poy mas endiaferei -kai edw mporoyme na enwsoyme oloi tis dynameis mas- einai na antimetwpisoyme ayth th logikh, h opoia sto bwmo ths ayjhshs ths qeamatikothtas, isopedwnei ta panta. Isopedwnei ton anqrwpo kai thn ajioprepeia toy, katastrathgei kai katapata banaysa th deontologia. Epiteloys, prepei na antidrasoyme, prepei na antistaqoyme, me oti mesa exei o kaqenas. Alla enwmenoi oloi mas. Oloi osoi endiaferontai kai qeloyn sto na antapokrinontai ta MME ston pragmatiko rolo toys. Ayth htan h oysia ths parembashs mas kai kamia allh.

MIXAHL: Parola ayta, to gegonos yparxei. Dhladh, mia fwtografia toy traymatisqentos eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Eyqynes gia to pws ayth h fwtografia efqase sto sygkekrimeno staqmo kai shmera stis efhmerides poy dhmosieyetai qa anazhthsete; Dioti thn politikh eyqynh gia thn perifroyrhsh toy proanakritikoy ylikoy thn exei h kybernhsh. Den thn exei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizoyme ean einai proanakritiko yliko h oxi.

MIXAHL: Akomh ki etsi na einai, eseis den exete eyqynh gia to an qa diarreoyn h oxi stoixeia apo ayta poy ereyna h Astynomia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prepei na biazeste, giati den mporei na jerei kaneis poia sygkekrimenh stigmh "trabhxthke" h fwtografia. Fantazomai oti einai apo tis prwtes stigmes toy traymatismoy. Kata polloys prohlqe apo to Tzanneio. Ayto, omws, den mporw na to jerw egw, oyte mporw na kanw ayth thn ereyna. Ekeino poy qelw na sas diabebaiwsw einai oti exei hdh diataxqei EDE apo ton k. Anwmerith kai bebaiws diejagetai ereyna se oloys toys tomeis.

IWANNOY: Sto Tzanneio diaswlhnwqhke;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den jerw. Opws sas exw pei den mporw na apantw se erwthseis toy typoy "poy diaswlhnwqhke o traymatias" h "poia akribws einai h iatrikh ejetash kai ta symperasmata". Qa elega oti den einai dynaton -epeidh blepw orismenoys na lene oti den exoyn enhmerwsh- den prokeitai apo emena na exete tetoioy eidoys enhmerwsh poy afora eite thn ygeia asqenwn, eite traymatiwn, eite qemata poy syndeontai me epixeirhsiaka zhthmata ths asfaleias. Den einai aytos o rolos toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy. Gia ta qemata ayta, otan einai etoimh, qa apanthsei h Astynomia. Xarakthristiko einai oti shmera, opws exw plhroforhqei, qa yparxoyn kapoies anakoinwseis ths EL.AS. sto diasthma metajy 14.00 kai 14.30.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe syggnwmh. To erwthma ths k Iwannoy exei nohma, giati ean exei ginei sto Tzanneio, tote qa xreiastei na ginei mia symplhrwmatikh EDE kai sto Tzanneio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti exei diataxqei hdh EDE apo to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, opote kalyptei kai to Tzanneio. Analogh ereyna ginetai apo thn kybernhsh ston kaqe xwro. Den eimaste diateqeimenoi na afhsoyme orismenoys, poy xrhsimopoioyn ayta ta fainomena, na leitoyrgoyn asydota. Dioti einai safes oti dhmioyrgeitai ena eidos idiotypoy, alla pragmatika katadikasteoy kai aparadektoy emporioy poy aposkopei sthn pash qysia qeamatikothta. Den einai dynaton ayto na to anexetai mia organwmenh kai eyryqma leitoyrgoysa koinwnia. Kai edw qeloyme th symbolh olwn sas. Dioti proseja, gia paradeigma shmera, oti orismenoi eqetan erwthmata: Giati p.x. eipame oti pisteyoyme pws to ESR qa kanei to kaqhkon toy. Dioti ayto pisteyei mia organwmenh Politeia. Oyte emeis diorisame to ESR, oyte na to paysoyme mporoyme, oyte metra na paroyme mporoyme, oyte na paremboyme mporoyme. Kai oloi to gnwrizoyn ayto poly kala. Mporoyme, omws, na elpizoyme oti h organwmenh Politeia exei tropoys na antidrasei sthn proklhsh. Mporoyme na elpizoyme. Kai apedeixqh oti orqws elpizoyme. Den shmainei oti qa afhsoyme na katapateitai kaqe ennoia deontologias, kaqe ennoia nomoy na feygoyme ejw apo to plaisio kai to gramma kai to pneyma toy arqroy 15 toy Syntagmatos kai na adiaforoyme. Den qa adiaforoyme.

KAPPOS: Pera apo tis ajiologikes kriseis gia ta qemata deontologias poy egeirontai, h fwtografhsh egine se ena xwro poy qewreitai o kalytera froyroymenos xwros ths Aqhnas. Anarwtiemai, se ayto ton kalytera froyroymeno xwro ths Aqhnas...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai to Tzanneio o kalytera froyroymenos xwros ths Aqhnas;

KAPPOS: Ennow, apo th stigmh poy o feromenos ws tromokraths Jhros metaferqhke ekei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw pia xronikh stigmh "trabhxthke" ayth h fwtografia...

KAPPOS: Akribws gi` ayto to logo, afhnw anoixto to periqwrio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na pei kapoios oti "trabhxthke" h fwtografia th stigmh poy metaferqhke enas traymatias, o opoios den jerame poios einai. Sygkekrimena, ekeinh thn wra, oi ypeyqynoi toy Tzanneioy, profanws eidan enan traymatia poy den gnwrizan, oyte pws legetai, oyte apo poy einai, oyte apo poy hrqe. Tis prwtes wres, ayto poy proeixe htan na swqei mia anqrwpinh zwh. An kapoioi ayto pane na to ekmetalleytoyn, safws toys katadikazw kai to ekana prwtos. Dioti, den ftaiei mono ekeinos poy profanws agorase th fwtografia. Aytos exei th mia pleyra ths eyqynhs. Th deyterh pleyra ths eyqynhs thn exei ekeinos poy ekane to emporio, opoios kai an einai aytos.

KAPPOS: Mporw na symfwnhsw mazi sas, alla h erwthsh einai se allh kateyqynsh. Ti qa ginotan, ean sth qesh toy fwtografoy htan kapoios anqrwpos, o opoios qa hqele na projenhsei kako ston Jhro. Antilambaneste ti ennow.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti einai diaforetiko pragma h fwtografia kai diaforetiko pragma na kanei kapoios kako ston Jhro. Dioti, gnwrizete oti eixan akoloyqhsei ton traymatia kai ta atoma toy Limenikoy. Apo ekei kai pera -opws gnwrizete- merikes fores oi texnologikes dynatothtes epitrepoyn kai alloy eidoys parembaseis. Den mporw, omws, na gnwrizw pws "trabhxthke" ayth h fwtografia kai den exw kai thn armodiothta na to gnwrizw. Sas eipa, omws, oti hdh diataxqhke EDE sto Limeniko kai ginontai ereynes kai se oloys toys alloys tomeis. Ean prokycei kati, na eiste bebaioi oti qa sas enhmerwsw. Qa hqela, omws, na mhn skeftomaste astynomika, dioti etsi den qa katalhjoyme poyqena. Qa hqela na skeftomaste ligo eyrytera. To problhma einai oti brhke kapoios th fwtografia -den gnwrizw poy th brhke, mporei na th brhke me enan tropo poy den einai nomimos- kai thn periefere apo o,ti plhroforhqhka h to problhma einai oti yparxoyn MME ta opoia sthrizoyn th logikh ths antagwnistikothtas toys sthn katapathsh kaqe ennoias deontologias kai ajioprepeias; Kai den katalabainw orismenoys poy bghkan shmera na mas poyn oti "kala, twra ta lete ayta"; Qelw na qymisw oti einai h tetarth fora poy ta lew aytes tis hmeres. Se oloys toys thleoptikoys staqmoys eipwqhkan kai se oles tis efhmerides grafthkan oi dhlwseis poy ekana th Deytera kai oi opoies htan ejisoy aysthres. Qelw, epishs, na qymisw oti analoges kinhseis eginan kai thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh. Einai h pollosth fora poy kanw tetoies anafores kai malista me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo. Dioti, telika yparxoyn kapoia zhthmata poy aforoyn thn koinwnia mas, ta opoia kai emeis, ws Politeia, exoyme eyqynh na ta epishmainoyme.

KAPPOS: Ean epitrepetai, den einai astynomiko to zhthma. Einai politiko zhthma kai anaferetai sto qema ths asfaleias toy kratoymenoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: H asfaleia toy kratoymenoy exei ejasfalistei. Mhn anhsyxeite.

POYLIDOY: Egw ws poliths, eimai apogohteymenh apo ta antanaklastika toy ESR. Dioti, epi hmeres, parakoloyqei me apaqeia olh ayth thn istoria ths onomatologias kai energopoihqhke meta apo dikh sas ekklhsh. Eseis ws Kybernhsh eiste eyxaristhmenoi apo th leitoyrgia toy ESR;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai edw gia na krinw th leitoyrgia toy ESR. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti h parembash toy ESR den exei to xarakthra twn dikwn mas parembasewn. Emeis kanoyme politikes parembaseis. H parembash toy ESR einai dioikhtikh kai einai logiko na qelei na ejantlhsei ta periqwria, prin parembei dioikhtika. Einai poly pio dyskolh mia dioikhtikh apo mia politikh parembash. En pash periptwsei, ayto ektima poia stigmh qa parembei kai ayto einai armodio gia na dwsei logo ston ellhniko lao gia tis parembaseis toy, alla kai gia tis synepeies poy mporei na exoyn, aytes oi parembaseis pros toys endiaferomenoys. Armodio einai mono to ESR kai ayto, opws gnwrizete, mporei na klhqei apo tis armodies Epitropes ths Boylhs poy to diorisan gia na dwsei se aytes ejhghseis kai oxi se mena.

SOYRMELIDHS: H onomatologia ejyphretei thn taktikh twn diwktikwn arxwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynaton; Kaqe onomatologia oysiastika, pera apo ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgei genika -dioti dhmioyrgei mia idiaitera arnhtikh katastash sthn koinwnia mas kai odhgei se fasizoyses antilhceis- dhmioyrgei kai problhmata stis diwktikes arxes. Ayto einai safes.

SOYRMELIDHS: Dhladh, oi dhmosiografoi apo monoi toys briskoyn onomata kai perigrafes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den moy aresei na lew "oi dhmosiografoi", dioti qa sas taytiza oloys me aytes tis praktikes kai arnoymai na to kanw.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h sygkekrimenh dhmosiopoihsh twn dyo fwtografiwn toy Jhroy, dhmioyrgei epishs problhma, kata thn krish sas, sto ergo twn diwktikwn arxwn, peran ths deontologias.

PRWTOPAPAS: To ergo twn diwktikwn arxwn den to gnwrizw. Fantazomai, omws, oti den einai ekei to problhma. Kai bebaiws den htan aytos o logos ths antidrashs mas. Ayto dhmioyrgei mia eikona emporias toy qematos ths tromokratias poy mas odhgei se epikindyna kai adiejoda monopatia. Den mporoyme na emporeyomaste to zhthma gia na anebasoyme proswrina th qeamatikothta toy kanalioy mas h opoioy Mesoy diaqetoyme. Telika yparxoyn kai eyqynes apenanti sthn koinwnia.

BITALHS: H onomatologia h oi yponoies onomatologias, poy diatypwnontai apo boyleytes, ti shmainei; Sas anaferw gia paradeigma, ayta poy akoysthkan xqes apo ta perissotera hlektronika Mesa kai anaparaxqhkan kai apo arketes efhmerides.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ejisoy katadikastea. Dhladh, epeidh kapoios einai politikos, den krinetai; Kai o politikos krinetai, opws krinomaste oloi. Kai o politikos poy ekane sxetikes anafores, einai fysiko na krinetai kai na katakrinetai, toylaxiston apo emas kai malista anoikta. An den kanw laqos, ennoeite profanws ton k. Karatzaferh. Einai safes oti oi anafores ths Deyteras aforoysan kai aytes tis praktikes. Gi` ayto den yparxei kamia amfibolia.

MPEKOS: Proxqes, erwthqhkate gia thn akatasxeth onomatologia sta MME, ean qa parembei to ESR. Eipate oti h kybernhsh den parembainei sto ESR. Molis xqes, sthn ektakth anakoinwsh, eipate oti "elpizw oti h parembash toy ESR na einai amesh kai katalytikh". Ayto, kata th gnwmh sas, den einai parembash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai parembash na ekfraseis thn elpida oti oi arxes qa kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys; Eseis oi dhmosiografoi den exete gracei pote oti "prepei na parembei o eisaggeleas" h oti "qewroyme oti prepei na parembei o eisaggeleas" h oti "kaloyme ton eisaggelea na parembei" gia diafores poinikes ypoqeseis; Egw to exw dei polles fores se keimena sas. Kapoies stigmes, diapistwnoyme oti yparxei mia paranomia kai mia katapathsh kaqe ennoias deontologias, poy epiballetai apo to Syntagma mas. Ean ekfraseis thn eyxh oti oi arxes, oi opoies exoyn thn eyqynh, qa kanoyn kala th doyleia toys, apotelei parembash; Dhladh, ean, gia paradeigma, den parenebaine o k. Laskaridhs, ti mporoyse na toy kanei h kybernhsh; Tipota, profanws. Ara, poia htan h parembash ths kybernhshs; Parembaineis ekei poy mporeis, ekei poy exeis eyqynhs kai ekei poy mporeis na askeis ejoysia. Poia ejoysia mporei na askhsei h kybernhsh kata toy ESR; Kamia. Ara, pws koptontai orismenoi peri parembashs; As mhn koroideyomaste. Ektimw oti yparxei to prwteyon kai to deytereyon zhthma. To prwteyon einai, ean pairnoyme h oxi qesh. Orismenoi den qeloyn na paroyn qesh kai krybontai pisw apo to daktylo toys. Den qeloyn na paroyn qesh aytoi poy exoyn tis logikes toy emporioy, ths tromolagneias kai ths qeamatikothtas me katapathsh ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias. Opoioi den pairnoyn qesh se ayto, prospaqoyn na broyn deytereyonta zhthmata gia na oxyrwqoyn apo pisw. Ayto ekanan kai orismenoi xqes to brady, metajy twn opoiwn kai asteres ths legomenhs "akrodejias" ths Elladas, sto idio trapezi. Kai aporw, pws ginetai boyleyths kommatos toy Koinoboylioy, na symfwnei me tetoioys anqrwpoys. Aytos einai dikos toy logariasmos. To zhthma einai, ean pairnoyme qesh h oxi. Ekei einai gia mena to meizon qema. Dioti, opoios den pairnei qesh einai synypeyqynos.

PEGKOS: Prin apo merikes hmeres, thleoptiko kanali edeije plana apo thn entatikh poy noshleyotan o Aibazidhs. Tote giati den yphrje ektakth anakoinwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to qymaste kala. Yphrje anakoinwsh edw, opws yphrje anakoinwsh kai gia to thleoptiko kanali, gia to qema poy dhmioyrghqhke, sto Maieythrio, otan gennhse h korh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qymaste oti yphrje kai allh parembash. Den einai h prwth fora poy parembainw kai den me endiaferei ean proerxetai apo to ``x'', ``c'' h ``w'' kanali h efhmerida. Me endiaferei ti leei. Den krinw poios eisai, alla ti kaneis. To ti kaneis xarakthrizei telika kai thn poiothta soy.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Qelw na dieyrynw ligo thn erwthsh: Eipate xqes oti h paroysiash ths fwtografias parabiazei kaqe ennoia deontologias kai nomimothtas. Qewreite oti kai h katoxh MME apo ergolhptes toy Dhmosioy, einai prajh poy parabiazei kaqe ennoia deontologias kai nomimothtas; Kai ean nai, qa prepei na yparjei amesh kai katalytikh parembash toy ESR; To rwtw ayto...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn entypwsh oti exete diabasei to neo nomo.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Gi` ayto, sas rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan h Politeia nomoqetei einai safhs. Den diapragmateyetai. Yparxei enas nomos poy efarmozetai ayth th stigmh.

MPOYZANHS: Xqes, yphrje apagoreysh ths metadoshs ths fwtografias, meta tis 11.20. Wstoso, shmera h fwtografia dhmosieyetai se arketes efhmerides. Qa kanei kati perissotero h kybernhsh; Qa zhthsei na aposyrqei; Qa askhsete eseis, ws Ypoyrgos, tis ejoysies sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw ejoysia gia to qema ayto. To tonisa prin apo ligo.

MPOYZANHS: Tote ti nohma exei h parembash;

PRWTOPAPAS: H parembash moy eixe kai exei kaqara politiko xarakthra. Exw kai politikh eyqynh, opws gnwrizete. H Politeia exei kai politikh eyqynh. Den exei mono ta mesa ths parembashs. Otan diapistwneis oti ginetai kati poy prokalei problhma se sxesh me thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn -kai anaferomai se qemata deontologias kai idiaitera sto arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos- otan diapistwneis oti katapateitai kaqe ennoia ajioprepeias kai deontologias apo kapoioys, to prwto poy exeis na kaneis einai na to diapistwseis, me stentoreia fwnh. Ayto ekana. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn ta syntetagmena organa ths Politeias, ta opoia gnwrizoyn poly kala ti kanoyn. Den toys empodizw egw.

MPOYZANHS: Yphrje xqes epikoinwnia sas me ton k. Laskaridh, prin bgei h apofash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Enhmerwsa aplws ton k. Laskaridh, kapoia stigmh, mono gia to gegonos. Den jerw ean ekeinh thn wra eixe ekdwsei thn apofash h oxi. Den moy eipe. Exw dikaiwma, opws kaqe Ellhnas poliths, opws exete ki eseis, na thlefwnhsete se mia dhmosia arxh, opoia ki an einai ayth, kai na peite ena gegonos poy synebh. Ayto den nomizw oti apotelei parembash. Einai kai diko sas dikaiwma.

MOYRTZHS: Diatypwqhke xqes apo ena dhmosiografiko trapezi h ewlh epixeirhmatologia, kata thn apoch moy, oti ayth h sparagmenh aimassoysa morfh me ta swlhnakia einai dhmosiografiko ntokoymento pros xrhsh kai isostaqmisthke ayto me th fwtografia toy Tsoytsoybh poy gnwrizoyme gia poioys logoys doqhke kai toy Alnto Moro. Qa hqela thn apoch sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi prohgoymenes topoqethseis den einai mono ayto poy eipate. Dystyxws, egine prospaqeia na isostaqmistei kai me periptwseis allwn proswpwn. Mporeite na to diabasete shmera se efhmerida poy kanei th sxetikh anafora. Nomizw oti tetoia epixeirhmata -me sygxwreite poly- mono th baqia ekfrash ths lyphs mas gia to epipedo kapoiwn mporoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn eikona. To zhthma einai oti se ayth th syzhthsh eneplakh kai boyleyths toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, ston opoio qelw na pw -kai ennow ton k. Alejandro Lykoyrezo- oti kai aytos ws boyleyths toy Koinoboylioy, exei thn idia ypoxrewsh poy exoyme kai emeis na yperaspizetai to Syntagma kai toys nomoys mas. Qa eprepe na to qymatai ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na rwthsw kati eyqews: Xqes, bgalate ektakth anakoinwsh gia to ALTER. Prin apo kapoio diasthma apokleisate apo th diakanalikh synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy to ALTER. Mhpws enoxlei thn kybernhsh h fwnh toy ALTER;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean enoxloyse thn kybernhsh, den qa peiraze. To qema einai oti tetoioy eidoys fwnes, san th xqesinh -ean ennoeite fwnh ayto poy egine- exw th gnwmh oti enoxloyn thn koinwnia kai toys polites. Kai ayto einai to xeirotero apo ola.

KAPPOS: Se ligo diaforetiko qema. Epishs, xqes to brady, pera apo ola ayta poy synebhsan kai sxoliasate, yphrje ekrhjh ston Peiraia. Qa hqela oxi bebaia astynomiko, alla to politiko sas sxolio gia thn ekrhjh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei politiko sxolio. H ypoqesh einai sta xeria ths Astynomias. Ta katadikazoyme ola ayta. Einai aytapodeikto ayto.

POYLIDOY: Xqes to brady to deltio toy ALTER, ean to parakoloyqhsa swsta, den metedwse th dikh sas anakoinwsh sth diarkeia toy ``magkazino''. Anarwtiemai ean h parembash toy ESR exei na kanei kai me plhmmelh enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to jerw ayto. Profanws, omws, exei dikaiwma to kaqe kanali -ayto den mporei na toy to afairesei kaneis- na metadidei h na mh metadidei tis dhlwseis toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Ejartatai apo thn aisqhsh ths antikeimenikothtas poy exei o kaqenas. Ean o allos exei tetoia aisqhsh antikeimenikothtas, einai eleyqeros na mh metadidei tis dhlwseis moy. Den mporw na ton empodisw stis epiloges toy. Ejartatai poso sebetai thn ennoia ths antikeimenikothtas ths plhroforhshs. Eisai eleyqeros.

ALEJAKHS: Mias kai o logos peri deontologias kai eyryqmhs leitoyrgias twn MME, xqes pali sto kanali TEMPO, alla kai sto PLANET eixame katastrathghsh kaqe ennoias ennomhs tajhs, me laqraies ekpompes, apo laqraia shmeia, mh ennomh leitoyrgia, mh symmorfwsh me toys kanones. Ekei pws sxoliazei kai pws antidra h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete oti to qema brisketai sto ESR, meta apo -den qa pw ``parembash'', giati qa moy lete pali peri parembasewn- diko sas aithma, to opoio diabibasthke sto ESR. Ekei kaneis den milhse gia parembash. To ESR exei zhthsei ola ta stoixeia kai einai se qesh na krinei, ean o radiofwnikos staqmos PLANET threi h den threi toys kanones ths adeias toy. Opws gnwrizete, oi adeies den einai pia sta xeria ths kybernhshs.

KAPPOS: Sth synanthsh sas me ton Prwqypoyrgo qa teqoyn tetoioy eidoys zhthmata kai to qema toy omiloy Androylidakh kai ta ergasiaka, ennow thn ergasiakh krish sto dhmosiografiko epaggelma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan eimaste etoimoi, qa sas anakoinwqoyn apofaseis. Ayth th stigmh, den mporw na pw ti qa syzhthsoyme me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Otan yparjoyn apofaseis, qa sas anakoinwqoyn amesws. Den prokeitai na sas krycoyme tipota.

TAKHS: Deka hmeres meta th dhmosiopoihsh olhs ayths ths istorias gia thn tromokratia, perimenate oti to qema qa faidropoihqei toso poly, wste synadelfoi mas na grafoyn me skwptiko tropo oti oi egkefaloi ths 17N skopeyoyn na paradoqoyn, giati den antexoyn allo ton ejeytelismo toys apo ta thleoptika paraqyra;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (gelia) !!!

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Eyxomai na thn ajiopoihsoyn oi synadelfoi sas. Den qewrw bebaia oti einai faidro to qema. Kaqe allo, alla oyte eseis qelate na peite ayto. Na doyme poy mporei na odhghsoyn orismenoi me thn taktikh toys. To erwthma einai, ean katanooyn, poy mporei na odhghsoyn me thn taktikh toys.

IWANNOY: Ean bohqhsoyn sthn paradosh, kalo einai...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na aganaktoyme oloi -kai etsi eklambanw thn parembash sas- gia kapoia fainomena, alla qa prepei na skefqoyme oti, otan dolofonoyntai anqrwpoi den einai kaqoloy asteio. H organwsh ayth exei dolofonhsei anqrwpoys. Katalabainete oti, otan milame gia thn tromokratia, prepei na prosexoyme poly, na eimaste ypeyqynoi kai na mh antilambanomaste to qema oyte ws sooy, oyte ws emporio. Einai ena sobaro qema kai qelei stash eyqynhs. Edw oloi krinomaste. Prwtoi emeis, panta prwtoi emeis. Alla, sth synexeia, krinontai kai oloi oi alloi.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Deka hmeres meta ton aytotraymatismo toy, o Sabbas Jhros, ypo poio nomiko kaqestws telei; Einai kratoymenos, einai asqenhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta exoyme janapei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na sas paw kapoy alloy, shmera eixe mia synanthsh o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs me to Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas. Meta, o k. Karamanlhs ejefrase entonh anhsyxia gia thn katastash ths oikonomias. Anaferqhke malista se orismenoys deiktes poy kata th gnwmh toy den pane kala. Mhpws exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws synhqws, o k. Karamanlhs h den gnwrizei thn alhqeia h den qelei na thn jerei. H pragmatikothta einai oti para polles fores, ton teleytaio kairo -kai ayto epishmana prosfata kai se mia dhlwsh moy, oson afora dhlwseis toy gia to Nosokomeio ths Lamias- o k. Karamanlhs eite emfanizetai anenhmerwtos, eite syneidhta diastreblwnei thn alhqeia. As mas pei aytos, poio apo ta dyo einai. Giati den mporei na agnoei to gegonos oti oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs sthn Ellada, symfwna me epishma stoixeia ths EUROSTAT kata to 1o trimhno toy etoys, se sygkrish me to 4o trimhno toy 2001, htan sto 1,9% toy AEP, enw o antistoixos mesos oros ths eyrwzwnhs kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs htan sto 0,3% toy AEP. Otan emfanizoyme ryqmo anaptyjhs ths xwras 6 fores megalytero, ap` o,ti o mesos oros ths eyrwzwnhs, shmainei oti o k. Karamanlhs, eite den gnwrizei, eite den qelei na gnwrizei o,ti einai dysaresto gi ayton kai to komma toy. Alla, ayto den einai politikh. Ayto anagetai se alles sfaires.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia to dystyxhma, symfwna me ta prwta stoixeia...

PRWTOPAPAS: As mh biazomaste. Aytes einai oi prwtes ektimhseis.

KARGOYDH: Ayto hqela na sas rwthsw.

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa. Epikoinwnhsa kai me thn Kypro, alla kai me to ellhniko ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai oi prwtes ektimhseis dinoyn ayto. Alla, apo kei kai pera, prepei na ginei plhrhs ereyna, sthn opoia qa syndramoyme. Stelnoyme kai eidikoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

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