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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete shmera to brady o Prwqypoyrgos qa parakaqisei sto deipno poy qa paraqesei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias pros timhn ths Proedroy ths Irlandikhs Dhmokratias.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ths PGDM k. Tserniekofski. Stis 10.30, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias Giwrgo Anwmerith kai sth synexeia qa exei synomilies me thn Proedro ths Irlandias.

To apogeyma, yparxei mia shmantikh ekdhlwsh. Einai to programma egkainiwn diasyndeshs hlektrikwn diktywn Italias - Elladas. To programma qa arxisei me teleth, stis 4 h wra, sto xwro ths DEH ston potamo @Araxqo, h opoia qa jekinhsei me xairetismoys toy Dioikhth ths DEH k. Papoylia kai toy ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs Akh Tsoxatzopoyloy. Qa milhsei, epishs, ekproswpos ths E.E. Koryfaia stigmh ths ekdhlwshs qa einai h zwntanh thleoptikh syndesh me ta grafeia twn Prwqypoyrgwn ths Elladas kai ths Italias Kwsta Shmith kai Silbio Mperloyskoni, oi opoioi qa paremboyn kai qa milhsoyn gia th diasyndesh hlektrikwn diktywn twn dyo xwrwn. Antistoixes ekdhlwseis qa ginoyn kai sthn Italia, sthn perioxh ths Kalantinas.

Ayrio to brady, stis 8.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Filippo Petsalniko.

Thn Tetarth, stis 11 to prwi, o k. Shmiths qa episkefqei ton OLP kai stis 13.30 qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh kai ton yfypoyrgo Oikonomias Xrhsto Paxta.

Gia to ypoloipo programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa sas enhmerwsw thn Tetarth.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh apo tis perigrafes kai ta onomata poy kykloforoyn fainetai oti gnwrizoyme melh ths "17 Noembrh", qelw na mas peite ean yparxoyn syllhceis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw mia topoqethsh panw se ayto to zhthma twn onomatwn poy kykloforoyn edw kai arketes hmeres. Ftasame sto shmeio -kai ayto kata th gnwmh moy apotelei katantia- na grafontai onomata kai se mia mikrh merida toy Typoy. Ola ayta einai anepitreptes eikasies poy orismenes fores ftanoyn sta oria ths aqliothtas. Den mporei etsi eykola, ayqaireta kai anempodista na qigontai proswpa, na spilwnontai proswpikothtes kai na dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata kata ton pleon ayqaireto tropo kai sth logikh toy emporioy orismenwn -eytyxws mikrhs meridas twn MME- se baros proswpwn, se baros politwn kai malista me ayton ton tropo kai ayth th diadikasia. Pisteyw oti oloi oi polites prepei na antidrasoyn kai na katadikasoyn aytes tis energeies. Emeis to kanoyme me ton pio aperifrasto kai kathgorhmatiko tropo. Kai kaloyme kai ta alla politika kommata kai oloys toys endiaferomenoys foreis na prajoyn to idio. Den mporei na synexisoyme se ayth thn taktikh. Ayto einai ntroph. Ftanei sta oria ths aqliothtas kai prepei na katadikastei apo oloys mas. Kalw, epishs, kai thn organwsh twn dhmosiografwn, thn ESHEA, poy panta stis parembaseis ths th diakrinei h egkyrothta kai o sebasmos ths deontologias, na askhsei oles tis anagkaies parembaseis se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ayta poy mas eipate isxyoyn kai gia tis perigrafes poy ypotiqetai oti fwtografizoyn toys sygkekrimenoys anqrwpoys h mono gia ta onomata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei gia otidhpote exei na kanei me sygkekrimena onomata h kai ayqairetes perigrafes poy fwtografizoyn onomata. Kai den exw kanena problhma na symperilabw se ayta ta laqh poy eginan -ekei omws pisteyw htan ena memonwmeno laqos- akomh kai thn kratikh thleorash. Prepei na pw, pantws, oti xairw dioti yparxei h megalh merida toy Typoy kai twn hlektronikwn Meswn poy den epesan se ayth thn pagida h den xrhsimopoihsan ayto to aparadekto emporio, gia na ayjhsoyn proswrina kai me aparadekto tropo, poy oysiastika apadei sth dhmokratia mas, thn kykloforia kai th qeamatikothta toys.

KAPPOS: Qewreite oti olh ayth h fwtografhsh, h onomatologia k.tl. einai ergo mono dhmosiografwn, giati oi dhmosiografoi epikaloyntai phges kai malista egkyres apo thn Astynomia. Dhladh, apoxwrizete teleiws thn Astynomia apo olh ayth th diadikasia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kamia sygkekrimenh kataggelia gia opoiondhpote kratiko leitoyrgo. Na eiste bebaios oti ean ginei opoiadhpote sxetikh kataggelia qa paremboyme amesa. Opws eidate eixame to qarros na omologhsoyme kai ena laqos poy ekane h kratikh thleorash. Den exoyme na krycoyme tipote apo kanenan. Ofeiloyme oloi mazi na enwsoyme tis dynameis mas kai na katadikasoyme ayta ta fainomena. Ayrio mporei na einai kapoios apo esas sth qesh aytwn poy anaferontai ta onomata toys. Giati, aytos poy enepleje kapoio synadelfo sas thn prohgoymenh ebdomada exei kanena problhma na emplejei kapoion allo thn epomenh ebdomada;

MIXAHL: Apokleiete to gegonos oti olo ayto to klima ths paraplhroforhshs, opws lete@

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai paraplhroforhsh. Einai ayqaireth, anempodisth kai abasanisth emfanish katastasewn kai ektimhsewn. Den ofeiletai sthn plhroforhsh.

MIXAHL: Mas eggyaste, loipon, eseis ws kybernhsh oti olo ayto to klima to opoio pragmati kataskeyazetai apo kapoioys den einai epiqymhto apo tis Arxes Asfaleias;

PRWTOPAPAS: H topoqethsh moy htan toso kaqeth kai kathgorhmatikh poy den epitrepei oyte kan tetoia eikasia. Kamia skech den mporei na ginetai oti dhqen kapoios mporei na anexetai tetoioy eidoys fainomena, ta opoia ayrio mporei na aforoyn ton opoiodhpote polith, gia proswpikes h politikes skopimothtes toy opoioydhpote. An afhsoyme ayta ta fainomena na synexizontai ayrio opoios qa exei mia proswpikh h politikh skopimothta qa gracei h qa pei gia ton opoiodhpote polith qelei. Einai dynato se ena eynomoymeno kratos, se ena kratos dikaioy na epitrecoyme tetoia aparadekta fainomena; Qa moy peite "ti qa kanete". Ofeiloyme na ta katadikasoyme kai ean ta katadikasoyme oloi me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo kai onomasoyme sthn poreia kai toys foreis aytwn twn fainomenwn, akomh kai ta fysika proswpa poy to kanoyn, qa deite oti den qa tolmhsoyn na to epanalaboyn. Shmera mia merida toy Typoy exei "fwtografies". Ayto to qewroyme pantelws aparadekto.

MIXAHL: Ayth th stigmh mporeite na mas prosdiorisete to xroniko orizonta opoy qa exoyme kati pio sygkekrimeno epi toy epixeirhsiakoy; Dhladh syllhceis k.tl.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na topoqethqw sto epixeirhsiako. Kai qelw me ayth thn eykairia na tonisw kai pali, opws exw pei kat` epanalhch, oti katanow tis prospaqeies poy kanete pros xarh ths enhmerwshs. Omws, jerete poly kala oti adynatoyme na sas bohqhsoyme se epixeirhsiaka qemata. Den mporoyme na ypokatasthsoyme oyte thn Astynomia, oyte tis eisaggelikes Arxes.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ola ayta ta senaria bgainoyn epeidh akribws den yparxei mia plhroforhsh. Egw o idios jerw oti apo dikastikes kai eisaggelikes phges h mallon epikaloymenoi synadelfoi dikastikes kai eisaggelikes phges, lene oti o Jhros kateqete eji, pente, treis wres. H kybernhsh mporei na pei ean kateqese o Jhros h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den exei kanena dikaiwma na ypokaqista th Dikaiosynh. Otan xeirizetai Eisaggeleas to qema, h kybernhsh ofeilei na mhn parembainei. To ean kai pote qa ginoyn syllhceis, to ti qa periexoyn ta entalmata kai pote qa ekdoqoyn kai alla synafh, ta opoia blepoyme aytes tis hmeres na ejelissontai kai na erxontai dhqen plhrofories h parembaseis, einai ena qema poy afora mono thn anejarthth ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Adynatw, loipon, na sas apanthsw kai nomizw oti etsi prepei na kanoyme. Ayto einai sthn krish ths Dikaiosynhs, h opoia exei epilhfqei, exei parei ola ta stoixeia kai synergazetai stena me tis diwktikes arxes. Ayth qa krinei ti qa kanei. Prepei, omws, na sas pw oti plhroforhsh yparxei gia o,ti eimaste bebaioi, gia o,ti exoyme. O,ti eimaste se qesh na sas anakoinwsoyme, ayto ginetai aytomatws. Aytes oi anakoinwseis poy ginontai kai tis opoies jepernoyme kamia fora poly eykola, einai ayto poy exoyme na sas poyme. Den sas krycame oti ginetai mia ereyna se baqos. Den sas krycame oti ginontai prosagwges. Den sas krycame oti ginetai mia terastia prospaqeia, ayth th stigmh, apo tis armodies arxes, na syllegoyn kai na ajiologhqoyn ola ta stoixeia. Eidate oti yphrjan shmantikes epityxies me ta dyo krhsfygeta. Ola ayta, omws, qeloyn kai xrono, wste na etoimastoyn oles oi armodies arxes. Ki emeis den mporoyme, oyte na paremboyme sto ergo twn diwktikwn arxwn kai twn arxwn asfaleias -kai den prepei- oyte mporoyme na prokaqorisoyme ta eyrhmata toys kai safws kati tetoio den ginetai, oyte mporoyme na dinoyme epixeirhsiakh enhmerwsh kai poso mallon den prepei -kai den qa to kanoyme se kamia periptwsh- na paremboyme sto ergo twn eisaggelikwn arxwn. Otan yparxoyn apofaseis, amesws qa enhmerwneste gi` aytes apo toys armodioys.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh katadikasate orismena fainomena, hqela na sas rwthsw kata poso isxyoyn oi plhrofories oti enas synadelfos, o k. Papaxelas, proshxqh sthn Asfaleia, toy phran daktylika apotypwmata, einai ``tromokraths'', afeqhke eleyqeros, einai ypo periorismo...; Ti apo ola ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perilambanetai sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. Ejalloy, nomizw oti exei ekdwsei kai o idios sxetikh anakoinwsh kai topoqeteitai ep` aytwn. Qelw na katasthsw safes, gia na mhn topoqethqoyme se mia-mia se aytes tis periptwseis, giati nomizw oti ayto den qa odhgoyse poyqena, oti h topoqethsh poy ekana erxetai na apanthsei kata ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo se ayta ta fainomena.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Proshxqh sthn asfaleia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, oxi. Alla sas eipa oti h topoqethsh poy ekana kai htan mia topoqethsh genikoy xarakthra, erxetai na apanthsei me entono kai kathgorhmatiko tropo, se ola ayta ta aparadekta fainomena ths paraplhroforhshs. Ayth einai h paraplhroforhsh.

MPOTWNHS: Xqes to brady, apo kanali akoysame to boyleyth k. Karatzaferh na leei oti o egkefalos ths 17N, exei syllhfqei, aytos poy einai 63 xronwn, o ``Nikhtas'', o ``Apostolhs'', den jerw pws ton lene, exei syllhfqei se xwra toy ejwterikoy. Exete kapoia tetoia plhroforhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H erwthsh sas exei kalyfqei apo thn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy, thn entonh kai kathgorhmatikh.

MPOTWNHS: Meta tis ekklhseis, yparxei kai allo epipedo apo to ypoyrgeio, ean qa parembete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti exoyme th dynatothta se ayth th xwra, otan kinhtopoihqoyme swsta kai oloi, na ypoxrewsoyme kapoioys na thrhsoyn th deontologia. Ayth th stigmh, ayth th symbolh, ayth th stash eyqynhs zhta apo oloys h kybernhsh. Kai apo ta politika kommata kai apo toys foreis. Kai ekana onomastikh anafora sthn ESHEA, me to barynonta rolo ths kai to sebasmo poy exoyme panta sto rolo ths, alla zhtw kai th stash eyqynhs kai th symbolh kai th dikh sas, twn MME, wste na apomonwsoyme, na katadikasoyme, na periorisoyme kai na ypoxrewsoyme na stamathsoyn ayta ta aparadekta fainomena. Den nomizw oti kaneis aisqanetai idiaitera eytyxhs, otan arxizei mia onomatologia. Den qa katalhjei poyqena ayth. Qa einai akrws yponomeytikh. Den mporei o kaqenas na xrhsimopoiei tis proswpikes kai tis politikes skopimothtes toy gia na qigei ypolhceis.

POYLIDOY: Eseis kanate ena sxolio ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos. Yparxoyn, omws, kai syntetagmenes diadikasies...

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws kai yparxoyn. Einai safes, dioti yparxoyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy exoyn qixqei -akoysthkan onomata ki edw- kai exoyn olo to dikaiwma na zhthsoyn thn prostasia ths dikaiosynhs. Eidika, opws jerete, sta qemata toy Typoy, oi nomoi einai aysthroi.

POYLIDOY: Sas rwtw, to ESR exete plhroforhqei ean protiqetai na parembei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti to ESR einai mia anejarthth arxh. Apadei sthn idiothta moy, ws ypoyrgos Typoy, apo th stigmh poy einai mia anejarthth arxh, na kaqorizw egw ti parembaseis qa kanei to ESR. Den qa to kanw, dioti timw to rolo toy kai ton sebomai.

IWANNOY: Qelw na sas rwthsw, na mas dieykrinisete gia to qema twn paragrafwn, epeidh polla akoygontai aytes tis hmeres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Exei topoqethqei o armodios Ypoyrgos F. Petsalnikos.

IWANNOY: Dhladh, den paragrafetai kanena apo ayta ta egklhmata poy exoyn ginei apo th 17N;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy k. Petsalnikoy, to Sabbato. Einai safhs h dhlwsh toy. Den qelw na epanalambanoyme ta idia pragmata.

GARGALAKOS: Opws ki eseis paradexqhkate, ginontai prosagwges, alla opws lene....

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, ereynes, prosagwges, prospaqeies se baqos.

GARGALAKOS: Opws lene kai oi phges ths Astynomias, anakriseis, ayto shmainei prosagwges... Poses meres mporei na kratoyntai anqrwpoi ekei kai na anakrinontai; Yparxei ena zhthma kai dhmokratikhs eyaisqhsias, ean parabiazontai ta dikaiwmata aytwn twn anqrwpwn poy briskontai se anakrish sta grafeia ths antitromokratikhs yphresias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, qelw na dhlwsw oti olh h ereyna, h pragmatika shmantikh prospaqeia twn armodiwn arxwn, kineitai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos, twn nomwn kai ths antilhchs mas gia kratos dikaioy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ean qymamai kala, kai sthn arxh ayths ths ypoqeshs, eixate probei se mia paromoia topoqethsh se o,ti afora ta senaria, ta onomata kai ola ayta. Arketes hmeres meta, kanete pali to idio. Egw qa hqela na rwthsw, ean gia thn kybernhsh ayto to fainomeno afora mono se ayto poy eseis exete anaferqei, ton antagwnismo dhladh metajy twn MME h twn dhmosiografwn k.lp.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa kai gia piqanes politikes kai proswpikes skopimothtes. O kaqenas mporei na exei tis dikes toy skopimothtes. Den shmainei oti tis dikaiologw, kaqe allo. Tis katadikazw aperifrasta. Aytes oi aqliothtes den mporei na synexistoyn.

BITALHS: Antilambanomai to prohgoymeno poy eipate, wstoso qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Toylaxiston apo to Sabbato kai epeita kai shmera sta dhmosieymata twn efhmeridwn, yparxei mia koinh synistamenh, oti anazhtoyntai oi egkefaloi, oi arxhgoi, oi ypoptoi se mia sygkekrimenh kathgoria anqrwpwn, oi opoioi ezhsan sto Parisi. Yparxei sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida ``Hmerhsia'', to opoio kanei logo kai gia tajidi toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs sto Parisi kai synanthsh toy me kapoioys anqrwpoys dianooymenoys k.lp. Gia ayta ta pragmata exete kapoia parapanw enhmerwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh me emplekete se eidikes periptwseis, giati ean arxisoyme tis eidikes periptwseis, qa exoyme na poyme arketa gia arketes. Den qa ypeiselqw se eidikes periptwseis. Prospaqw na diamorfwsw ena klima to opoio na dwsei mia synolikh apanthsh. Eidate poly kala oti epilejame shmera na mhn ypeiselqoyme se atomikes periptwseis, dioti einai polles kai piqanws kapoia allh na yparxei ayrio h meqayrio, apo tetoies ayqairetes anafores. Pragmatika den qeloyme na trexoyme pisw apo thn atomikh periptwsh, paroti sebomai th dikaiologhmenh aganakthsh aytwn twn anqrwpwn. Alla, kaname mia genikoy xarakthra topoqethsh, h opoia erxetai na apanthsei se ola ayta ta fainomena. Bebaiws, xairomai dioti exoyn arxisei kai ekdidontai kai atomikes anakoinwseis ekeinwn poy eqighsan, kata ayto ton aparadekto tropo. Prepei na antidrasoyme oloi.

GARGALAKOS: Sto perasmeno xroniko diasthma, kai otan lew ``perasmeno'' ennow pro Jhroy, eixe emfanistei to fainomeno kapoioi jenoi paragontes na kaloyn melh antistasiakwn organwsewn se mia atyph synenteyjh. Einai se gnwsh ayth h diadikasia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto to eixame diaceysei, palaiotera, pro merikwn mhnwn.

KARGOYDH: Thn Paraskeyh, sthn omilia toy, o k. Xrysoxoidhs desmeyqhke oti o Sabbas Jhros kai opoios allos syllhfqei, qa exei dikaih dikh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka, hdh.

KARGOYDH: Qelw na rwthsw, ean kapoies apo tis synergazomenes astynomies me thn ellhnikh, dhladh sygkekrimena h amerikanikh kai h bretanikh, exoyn allh proseggish, oson afora thn anagkaia ajiopistia peisthriwn gia na odhghqoyme se dikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, bebaiws. Oloi gnwrizoyn poly kala kai apo o,ti gnwrizete kai eseis, epaneilhmmena exoyn anaferqei sta problepomena apo to ellhniko Syntagma, toys nomoys mas kai thn antilhch mas gia to kratos dikaioy. Exw tyxei kai o idios aythkoos martys tetoiwn topoqethsewn, tis opoies ejalloy gnwrizete kai eseis. Oi idioi tis exoyn kanei, oi ekproswpoi toys, kat` epanalhch. Den yparxei qema.

MOYRTZHS: Na erqw se mia proswpikh periptwsh. Den qa peite ena logo sympaqeias gia ena proswpo poy katonomazetai shmera, ena syggrafea, poy einai kai presbhs epi timh kai ypochfios toy PASOK; Enan eyrwboyleyth...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei kai exw milhsei me safhneia gia oles aytes tis periptwseis. H topoqethsh moy isxyei kai gia kaqe mia periptwsh xwrista. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti exoyn arxisei na bgainoyn kai apo toys idioys anakoinwseis kai poly kala kanoyn.

GARGALAKOS: Na dieykrinisoyme kati; Yparxei mia apoch -kai ayth den einai astynomikhs xrhshs, proerxetai apo politikoys paragontes- oti telika aytes oi giafkes paradidontai. Einai alhqeia ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milate gia th gnwsth topoqethsh toy k. Polydwra, fantazomai.

GARGALAKOS: Rwtw, ean prokeitai gia paradosh h gia apotelesma ereynas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai krisimh h erwthsh sas. Kat@ arxas, sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos sth Syndiaskech toy PASOK kai poy anaferotan sth N.D. Omws, ektos apo ton k. Polydwra, yphrxan kai alla stelexh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, ta opoia fainetai oti dhlwsan tis aparadektes energeies poy eixan kanei merikoi, mexri thn Paraskeyh to brady kai phran th skytalh olhs ayths ths istorias me mia mizerh kai mikrocyxh prospaqeia, na dhmioyrghsoyn antikeimenika problhmata sto ergo twn Arxwn, eite na ypobaqmisoyn th doyleia poy ginetai, gia kaqara mikrokommatikoys logoys, eite akomh kai na speiroyn mia adikaiologhth, aparadekth kai pragmatika politika katadikastea amfisbhthsh, gyrw apo tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs h toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, eite twn Arxwn Asfaleias.

Den qa epitrecoyme, me thn politikh ennoia to lew, tetoia fainomena, eite ayta proerxontai apo ton k. Polydwra kai tis dhlwseis poy ekane se radiofwniko staqmo thn Kyriakh, eite proerxontai apo alloys boyleytes kai stelexh ths N.D.. Ta katadikazoyme. Deixnoyn th mikrocyxia, th mizeria toy kommatos aytoy. Deixnoyn oti ta stelexh ths N.D. den exoyn antilhfqei akomh oti h katapolemhsh ths tromokratias einai mia eqnikh ypoqesh. Einai mia ypoqesh poy afora to synolo ths koinwnias mas. O laos qa toys dwsei thn apanthsh poy prepei. Eimaste ypoxrewmenoi, kaqe fora poy ekdhlwnontai ayta ta aparadekta fainomena, na kanoyme th sxetikh anafora. Emeis den perimenoyme, oyte exoyme proqesh na exoyme to opoiodhpote kerdos h thn ekmetalleysh apo tetoies istories. Doyleyoyme me systhma kai ypeyqynothta, giati ayto einai to xreos mas apenanti sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, ayto einai to xreos mas apenanti sthn Ellada. Orismenoi den to antilambanontai. Bgainoyn kaqe fora kai prospaqoyn na ypobaqmisoyn th shmasia toy ergoy poy ginetai. Epitiqentai kata ths EL.AS. Prospaqoyn na speiroyn, me ton pio mikro kai mizero tropo, amfisbhthseis. Toys paradidoyme sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai aytoi einai, dystyxws, stelexh kai boyleytes ths N.D.

IWANNOY: Na ypoqesw oti ayth einai h apanthsh se mia prohgoymenh erwthsh. Kanate logo gia politikes skopimothtes sto qema twn diarrown kai twn proswpwn k.l.p.

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka xwrista gia to komma ths N.D. kai gia toys boyleytes ths. Politikes skopimothtes yparxoyn kai apo alloys anqrwpoys.

IWANNOY: Opws gia paradeigma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti an anoijete ton Typo shmera, qa tis deite.

IWANNOY: Kai ti epidiwkoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diabaste ton Typo shmera kai qa katalabete.

IWANNOY: Tis teleytaies hmeres, akoyme synexws apo to dikhgoro toy k. Jhroy -exei mpei ena qema- ean telika kalws krateitai h ean exei syllhfqei h en pash periptwsei an dikaioyntai oi Arxes na mhn afhnoyn, estw kai to dikhgoro toy, na ton dei. Ti apanta h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ginontai me bash ta problepomena apo to Syntagma, toys nomoys kai thn antilhch mas gia kratos dikaioy.

IWANNOY: Exei syllhfqei o k. Jhros h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa. Ola ginontai me bash ayth thn antilhch kai me amesh epopteia kai elegxo twn armodiwn dikastikwn arxwn.

IWANNOY: Fylassetai h exei syllhfqei; Ayto mporeite na mas to peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa, hdh.

KAPPOS: Mia erwthsh qesmikhs diadikasias: Ean se olh th diarkeia twn ereynwn poy pragmatopoioyntai sta legomena krhsfygeta, yparxei apo thn arxh kai se kaqe deyterolepto -qa elega- paroysia eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy; Kai deyteron, ean exete ypoch sas apo poia stigmh kai meta paristatai eisaggelikos leitoyrgos se olh ayth th diadikasia, apo th stigmh toy entopismoy, apo th stigmh ths eisagwghs as poyme sto krhsfygeto, apo pote;

PRWTOPAPAS: Adynatw na kanw plhrh analysh ths problechs ths nomoqesias se sxesh me tis diwjeis, ta entalmata kai thn ypoxrewsh gia parembash eisaggelea. Na eiste bebaios oti threitai sxolastika, dioti etsi prepei, epeidh prokeitai gia ena poly sobaro zhthma, to synolo ths nomoqesias.

KAPPOS: Rwtw, giati qesmika einai poly sobarh h sygkekrimenh leptomereia, poy epanalambanw den einai kaqoloy leptomereia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Threitai plhrws to pneyma kai to gramma toy nomoy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti den dinete epixeirhsiakh enhmerwsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den mporeite, swsta. H politikh ektimhsh poy exei h kybernhsh apo thn plhroforhsh politikoy proistamenoy ths Astynomias kai h enhmerwsh poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos h telos pantwn h enhmerwsh poy exei h kybernhsh, yparxei h ektimhsh oti epixeirhsiaka h Astynomia jerei melh ths 17N;

PRWTOPAPAS: Omologw oti einai ejypnos o tropos ths erwthshs sas, alla exei hdh apanthqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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