Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-07-04

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos exei hdh probei se dhlwseis, prin apo th synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, gia tis teleytaies ejelijeis sto qema ths tromokratias.

Ayrio, ligo meta to meshmeri, arxizei sto OAKA h Panelladikh Syndiaskech toy PASOK. Qa hqela na sas proteinw, ean symfwneite, na mh ginei edw h ayrianh synanthsh mas. Oi perissoteroi apo esas qa eiste ekei kai qa eimai sth diaqesh sas gia otidhpote xreiasteite.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Akoysame th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opoy metajy allwn anaferei pws qelei synesh, prosoxh, systhmatikh doyleia, opws mexri twra, gia na ejaleifqei olo to diktyo ths tromokratias. To erwthma poy prokyptei einai: Yparxei ena meros aytoy toy kyklwmatos to opoio exei hdh ejarqrwqei kai menei to ypoloipo gia na symplhrwqei to olo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas diabazw to sxetiko apospasma apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy: "Yparxei doyleia akomh gia na ejarqrwqei to diktyo, na sygkentrwqoyn ta peisthria kai na syllhfqoyn oloi osoi einai ypeyqynoi".

MIXAHL: Kai sas rwtaw: "Oloi osoi einai ypeyqynoi", leei. Isws merikoi na exoyn syllhfqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn syllhceis me thn ennoia poy dinei h nomoqesia.

GARGALAKOS: Den yparxoyn syllhceis, alla kapoioi kratoyntai kai anakrinontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala thn ellhnikh nomoqesia sto qema ayto.

MIXAHL: Eipate "me thn ennoia poy dinei h nomoqesia".

PRWTOPAPAS: Me to periexomeno poy dinei ston oro o sygkekrimenos nomos. Panta, otidhpote ginetai -opws safestata tonise o Prwqypoyrgos sth shmerinh dhlwsh toy- ginetai me pisth stis dhmokratikes arxes, to Syntagma kai toys nomoys ths xwras. Se o,ti akribws problepetai.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxoyn proswpa poy anakrinontai ayth thn wra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ginontai ereynes pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Den exoyn ginei, omws, syllhceis. Ean eixan ginei qa eixan anakoinwqei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Prosagwges ypoptwn einai dynato na mhn exoyn ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti ginontai ereynes pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Eipa oti den exoyn ginei syllhceis.

MIXAHL: Toso xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sto Kiebo, oso kai shmera, milhse gia systhmatikh doyleia, h opoia exei ginei edw kai kairo kai h opoia siga-siga exei apotelesmata. Epeidh etsi opws diatypwnetai ayth h qesh dinetai h ermhneia oti eixate ypoch sas, ws kybernhsh kai fysika oi diwktikes arxes, sygkekrimena pragmata ta opoia anazhtoysate kai ta opoia erxontai pia sto fws, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, einai etsi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas diabasw to sxetiko apospasma apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy: "H shmerinh ejelijh einai apotelesma mias systhmatikhs doyleias poy egine makria apo th dhmosiothta ta teleytaia xronia kai epetrece sthn Astynomia na ajiopoihsei plhrofories kai stoixeia, na kinhqei grhgora kai apotelesmatika". To apospasma ayto apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apanta sto erwthma sas. Sas parapempw sth sxetikh dhlwsh.

MIXAHL: Den sas rwtame, gia ti akribws qelete na apanthsete eseis, alla epeidh den exoyme th dynatothta, oyte na dieykrinisoyme apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kapoia erwthmatika poy prokyptoyn. Gi` ayto ton ekproswpeite.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eiste safhs, ennoeitai ayto, den to arnoymai. Einai, omws, safestath h dhlwsh, oson afora to sygkekrimeno shmeio. Den xwrei parapera erwthmatwn.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis palaiotera eixate kalesei ta kommata kai toys koinwnikoys foreis, alla kai ta MME na symbaloyn, me ton tropo toys o kaqenas, gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias, hqela na rwthsw, eidika gia ta kommata, an h kybernhsh qewrei oti exei th deoysa symbolh apo thn pleyra toys gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto zhthsame kai gi` ayto, ejalloy, sas enhmerwsame, ystera apo synennohsh me ton k. Xrysoxoidh gia tis ejelijeis poy yparxoyn. Kai bebaiws, qa yparxei synexhs enhmerwsh, otan prokyptoyn nea stoixeia. Qeloyme, omws, oloi oi polites, bebaiws ola ta politika kommata kai ta MME kai opoioi alloi mporoyn na symbaloyn, na kataqesoyn thn ypeyqynh stash toys se mia istoria poy bebaia ejelissetai, alla qelei kai xrono gia na oloklhrwqei.

KARGOYDH: Mexri twra den exete diapistwsei thn katabolh ths deoysas symbolhs apo pleyras kommatwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: As mhn epixeiroyme na dhmioyrghsoyme problhma ekei poy den yparxei. Den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa oti mia tetoia symbolh prepei na yparjei kaq` olh th diarkeia poy oi sxetikes ereynes qa briskontai se ejelijh.

KOYIN: Epeidh oysiastika, ektos apo thn anakoinwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy den exei lexqei tipota allo epishma apo xqes, mporeite na mas enhmerwsete...

PRWTOPAPAS: Peripoy stis 14.15, qa probei se sxetikes anakoinwseis o k. Nasiakos.

KOYIN: Wraia. Prin ayto, h kybernhsh mporei na pei me kapoia -as poyme- sigoyria, oti ayta ta opla poy breqhkan xqes, sta Katw Pathsia, anhkoyn sta opla poy ferontai oti anhkoyn sth 17N;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy qa kanei se ligo o k. Nasiakos.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate oti o k. Xrysoxoidhs enhmerwse toys ekproswpoys twn kommatwn. Ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ton enhmerwse; Kai an nai, exete na mas peite kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den exw periqwrio na sas pw kati. Otan yparxoyn ejelijeis, bebaiws pantote enhmerwnetai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Kai ennow gia ejakribwmena gegonota.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, stis dhlwseis toy, ekane logo gia synergasia kai me yphresies plhroforiwn allwn xwrwn. Se poio epipedo brisketai, ayth th stigmh, ennow sto ektelestiko stadio twn ereynwn, h synergasia me tis armodies yphresies allwn xwrwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kanoyme astynomiko reportaz edw. Politika sas leme oti yparxei stenh synergasia, opws to leme panta, me armodies arxes allwn xwrwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Symplhrwmatika, bebaia, empiptei kai ayth h erwthsh ston kyklo ths senariologias, alla apo th stigmh poy anaferetai se ena dieqnes Meso ths egkyrothtas toy BBC, to opoio kanei logo gia oysiastiko "dosimo" toy oplostasioy apo th 17N, oytws wste na proxwrhsei se alles prajeis, ayto pws to sxoliazei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa sxoliasw dhmosieymata kai ekpompes MME.

KOYIN: Den sas zhtw na sxoliasete dhmosieymata. Oi Amerikanoi, oi Aggloi, exoyn thlefwnhsei se kapoia melh ths kybernhshs apo proxqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios milhse "gia stenh dieqnh synergasia".

GARGALAKOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas apokwdikopoihsete th frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy eipe "exoyme kanei shmantika bhmata aytes tis meres"; Poia einai ayta ta shmantika bhmata, ektos apo to tyxaio gegonos poy odhghse sth syllhch toy Jhroy, ti akribws eixame xqes kai ti allo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti se ligo qa kanei plhrh enhmerwsh epi toy qematos o k. Nasiakos. Ayto poy qelw na sas pw einai oti ginontai ektetamenes ereynes pros polles kateyqynseis. Oloi oi Ellhnes polites katanooyn, ayth th stigmh, oti exoyme shmantikes ejelijeis sto qema ths tromokratias. Den nomizw oti yparxei kapoios poy to amfisbhtei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate oti syllhceis den exoyn ginei akomh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa "den exoyn ginei". Den xrhsimopoihsa th lejh "akoma".

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai aytonohto, omws, oti exoyn ginei prosagwges...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti exoyn ginei ereynes.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Opws kai na exei. An ayth th stigmh den exoyme syllhceis, ayto symbainei epeidh akribws den mporoyn na syndesoyn ta eyrhmata, endexomenws, me kapoia proswpa h giati perimenoyn oi armodies arxes na ginei oloklhrwmenh doyleia kai na ginoyn anakoinwseis argotera; Dhladh, kaqe mera, qa exoyme dyo-treis anakoinwseis onomatwn kapoiwn poy syllambanontai h perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei olh h diadikasia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti qa probei se anakoinwseis o k. Nasiakos, gyrw apo ta xqesina eyrhmata.

IWANNOY: Kai gyrw apo to qema twn syllhcewn, ean yparxoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ta xqesina eyrhmata eipa. Dieykrinisa oti den exoyn ginei syllhceis.

IWANNOY: Anamenetai mesa sthn hmera na ginoyn; Gnwrizete kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynato na gnwrizw, ean h ereyna ths Astynomias, kapoia wra to apogeyma, apodwsei kati; Antilambanomai to endiaferon sas...

IWANNOY: Qa mporoysate na eixate plhroforhsh, ean kapoia apo aytes tis prosagwges katelhge se syllhch.

PRWTOPAPAS: Katanow oti oloi exete thn agwnia kai ton antagwnismo, o opoios aytes tis meres einai idiaitera entonos sto dhmosiografiko xwro. Omws, katalabainete oti kapoia pragmata den anakoinwnontai. Ginetai mia ereyna megalh kai se baqos. Einai dynato na gnwrizw ti qa prokycei meta apo pente wres, gia paradeigma; Den mporw na gnwrizw ti qa prokycei apo thn ereyna. Den einai logiko ayto; Qa exoyme mia stenh synergasia, opws oles aytes tis hmeres.

MIXAHL: Kykloforei mia ektimhsh se stelexh toy PASOK oti oles aytes oi ejelijeis sthn tromokratia allazoyn to klima, bgainete apo thn arnhtikh logikh kai oti janakerdizete, efoson synexisete etsi, thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn. Malista legetai kai akoygetai oti ean shmera ginontan h dhmoskophsh ths MRB, isws to apotelesma na mhn htan ayto poy bghke. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me kaleite na sxoliasw kati to opoio den proerxetai apo stelexh toy PASOK.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pws den proerxetai, den to akoysate;

PRWTOPAPAS: To akoysa shmera apo ena analyth. Kamia sxesh den exei me to PASOK.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kai sta radiofwna bghkan merikoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti kati tetoio akoysa apo analyth. Apo kei kai pera nomizw oti se ena toso sobaro qema, poy afora to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy, prepei na meinoyme aysthra sto plaisio poy xarazei h shmerinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apodeiknyei gia mia akomh fora oti kinoymaste me sobarothta kai eyqynh. Oti doyleyoyme me xamhloys tonoys, alla apofasistika kai apotelesmatika. Zhthsame th symmetoxh, th sthrijh kai th stash eyqynhs apo oloys se ayth thn prospaqeia. Emeis prwtoi prospaqoyme na dinoyme to paradeigma ayths ths stashs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Hqela na rwthsw ean yphrxe kapoia plhroforia to Sabbato, sthn Astynomia h to Strato, gia endexomeno tromokratiko ktyphma, prin apo thn ekrhjh sto Peiraia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Plhroforia, ypo thn ennoia poy dinete eseis, oxi. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, otan yparxoyn ejelijeis, opws ayth th stigmh, katalabainete oti einai logiko osoi exoyn mia eidikh eyqynh na lambanoyn metra.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayto poy rwthsa einai, ean yphrxe kapoio sxetiko shma h estw plhroforia gia endexomeno ktyphma, prin thn ekrhjh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti ton teleytaio kairo, me dedomeno oti yphrxe mia perirreoysa atmosfaira kai dedomenoy oti exoyn grafei kai eipwqei polla, einai apolytws logiko oi armodies arxes na lambanoyn ta metra toys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na rwthsw kati sxetiko: Ean to Sabbato doqhke shma pros ta Swmata Asfaleias kai to Strato oti endexomenws na yparjei tromokratiko ktyphma apo thn @al Kainta@ To shma mallon doqhke ...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh dramatopoieite to qema. Kata kairoys, didontai diafora shmata, otan yparxoyn dieqneis plhrofories, wste na efistoyme thn prosoxh pros oloys. Kata kairoys, loipon, yparxoyn tetoies plhrofories, didontai tetoia shmata. Pantws, idiaitera otan yparxoyn ejelijeis, yparxei egrhgorsh. Ayta ta pragmata einai safh.

KAPPOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xwris na ypotimw kanena apo ta gegonota ta opoia exoyn diatrejei thn epikairothta tis teleytaies hmeres, qelw na rwthsw gia thn kybernhsh, se o,ti afora toys dhmosiografoys kai toys polites, oi opoioi exoyn epilejei na kanoyn kapoio allo epaggelma kai oxi ayto toy astynomikoy, poia einai h antilhch ths se sxesh me to rolo toys; Dhladh, toys qelei synergates ths Astynomias; Toys qelei ``katadotes'' gia na mh xrhsimopoihsw kapoia allh ekfrash; To rwtw se sxesh me thn ``ekklhsh'' ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, xqes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap` o,ti, toylaxiston, ektimw proswpika, nomizw oti oloi oi Ellhnes polites endiaferontai na xtyphqei h tromokratia poy apeilei th Dhmokratia mas. Ayth einai h antilhch poy exw gia ton Ellhna polith. Dhladh oti mas enwnei h anagkh na katapolemhsoyme thn tromokratia. Den nomizw oti yparxei Ellhnas poliths poy den qelei na katapolemhqei h tromokratia. Janaeipa oti einai apeilh, oxi mono gia ton aqwo anqrwpo, gia ton aplo polith, alla kai gia th Dhmokratia. Poia koinwnia mporei na zhsei me thn tromokratia;

KOYIN: Gnwrizete ean se genikes grammes h kybernhsh exei epekteinei aytes tis ereynes kai ektos toy elladikoy xwroy; Exei zhthsei th dikastikh h astynomikh syndromh allwn xwrwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na apokleisw tipota. Opws katalabainete, otan ginetai mia ereyna para poly megalh kai ektetamenh, tipota den mporei na apokleistei. Einai mia ereyna pros oles tis kateyqyneis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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