Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-04-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Pagkalos "janaxtyphse" kai oyte ligo, oyte poly leei oti an den pate kala stis dhmotikes ekloges qa teqei qema hgesias sto PASOK, alla zhtaei akomh kai metra kata toy k. Xrysoxoidh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to deytero qema isxyoyn oi xqesines kai oi proxqesines dhlwseis moy. Qewrw oti meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis to qema exei kleisei. Apo ekei kai pera, den nomizw pws xreiazetai na sxoliazw tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn mas. Oi ypochfioi poy yposthrizei to PASOK diekdikoyn th nikh stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges gia to kalo ths Aytodioikhshs, gia to kalo toy kinhmatos gia poiothta zwhs twn politwn, gia th diekdikhsh ths topikhs anaptyjhs kai pros ofelos twn topikwn koinwniwn. Ayto einai kai to politiko nohma ayths ths eklogikhs maxhs.

FILHS: H kybernhsh pote protiqetai na kataqesei to nomosxedio gia to Asfalistiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na katateqei nomosxedio gia to Asfalistiko qa prepei na oloklhrwqoyn oi sxetikes diaboyleyseis, o pragmatika shmantikos dialogos poy exei jekinhsei kai brisketai se ejelijh. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti aytos o dialogos qa synexistei. Exoyn symfwnhqei mia seira qemata. Exoyn qigei, xwris na yparxoyn mexri twra symfwnies, mia seira alla. Yparxei ena kalo klima, oson afora thn antallagh apocewn kai bebaiws yparxei h anagkh na syzhthqei kai to meizon qema ths xrhmatodothshs toy systhmatos. Perimenoyme tis epomenes apofaseis ths GSEE kai twn allwn koinwnikwn organwsewn. Ekfrazoyme thn aisiodojia oti o dialogos qa einai karpoforos. Bebaiws, ejairoyme kai sthliteyoyme th stash ths N.D., h opoia ws gnwston arneitai gia mia akomh fora to dialogo, arneitai th metarryqmish, einai dogmatika agkylwmenh stis aparadektes apofaseis, oi opoies synanthsan thn kaqolikh arnhsh kai apodokimasia toy ellhnikoy laoy thn periodo '90 - '93.

FILHS: Synektimwmenwn olwn twn paragontwn poy anaferate -kalwn kai kakwn- to xronodiagramma ths kybernhshs poio einai gia to Asfalistiko; Pote qa katateqei to nomosxedio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti perimenoyme tis ejelijeis apo th GSEE, alla kai tis alles koinwnikes organwseis gia th synexish toy dialogoy.

FILHS: Dhladh, mporei na paei to fqinopwro to nomosxedio sth Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn moy zhtate ayth th stigmh na kanw xronikoys prosdiorismoys. Oi xronikoi prosdiorismoi qa kaqoristoyn kai apo thn poreia toy dialogoy.

FILHS: Xwris programma phgainete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan jekinas ena dialogo se ena qema poy afora olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia, lambaneis ypoch kai toys problhmatismoys poy anaptyssontai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Einai safes oti den qa paei stis kalendes ayth h ypoqesh. Sas diabebaiwnw gi` ayto. Alla, einai ejisoy safes oti eimaste se mia idiaitera eyaisqhth fash kai apo th stigmh poy qeloyme th synainesh kai pisteyoyme se aythn, jeroyme na kanoyme ta anagkaia bhmata.

FILHS: O k. Papoytshs, ws ypochfios dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn, erwthqeis gia th diafora yfoys kai klimatos sthn antimetwpish ths ypochfiothtas ths k. Mpakogiannh poy ekdhlwqhke apo th mia meria apo ton idio poy esteile thn anqodesmh kai apo thn allh meria apo esas kai ton k. Laliwth, poy kaqe allo para anqodesmh steilate, sxoliase oti aytos einai ypochfios gia th dhmarxia ths Aqhnas kai aytos qa kaqorizei to yfos ths proeklogikhs periodoy kai oxi to PASOK, to opoio ton yposthrizei. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas parapemcw stis sxetikes dhlwseis moy ths prohgoymenhs Paraskeyhs, tis opoies fobamai oti den exete diabasei, opws kai kapoios synadelfos sas poy ekane sxetikes anafores, xqes.

FILHS: Kapoio sxolio gia th dhlwsh toy k. Papoytsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwta sas synistw na diabasete tis dhlwseis moy ths Paraskeyhs kai eseis kai o synadelfos poy xqes ekane tis sxetikes anafores se hmerhsia apogeymatinh efhmerida.

FILHS: Epeidh edw den apantate...

PRWTOPAPAS: Apantw dia twn dhlwsewn moy kai oxi me erwthma poy eteqh lanqasmena. Einai safes oti eteqh lanqasmena to erwthma. Peran aytoy, einai safes oti o epikefalhs enos syndyasmoy gia tis dhmotikes ekloges kaqorizei o idios th stash toy syndyasmoy se opoiondhpote Dhmo, asfalws kai sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas.

MIXAHL: Shmera to prwi, eixame mia aifnidiastikh episkech toy k. Shmith sto nosokomeio Paidwn, mazi me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias. Giati akoloyqhsate thn idia taktikh me th N.D. kai den enhmerwsate ek twn proterwn; Den qelate dhmosiografikh kalych;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den akoloyqhsame thn idia taktikh me th N.D. O k. Karamanlhs sthnei "sooy" opoy phgainei, opws gnwrizete. Pairnei mazi toy kameres, gnwrizei ek twn proterwn oti ekei poy phgainei yparxoyn akoma kapoia problhmata. Gia paradeigma, den epeleje na paei sto kainoyrgio ktirio twn dioikhtikwn dikasthriwn poy egkainiazetai stis 17 Aprilioy, oyte sto kainoyrgio ktirio toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy poy qa egkainiastei merikes ebdomades argotera. Epeleje na paei se merika kataloipa toy parelqontos, ta opoia yparxoyn. To kainoyrgio, omws, dhmioyrgeitai olo kai pio poly. Mexri th lhjh ayths ths tetraetias qa yparxei mono to kainoyrgio. O k. Karamanlhs prospaqei na gantzwqei sto xqes, opws allwste olh h paratajh toy, prokeimenoy na tekmhriwsei toys isxyrismoys toy, oti dhqen h xwra einai gkriza kai mizerh. Emeis kanoyme th doyleia mas kai qa kalesoyme ton k. Karamanlh sta egkainia toy neoy dioikhtikoy megaroy twn dioikhtikwn dikasthriwn, poy qa ginei stis 17 Aprilioy, opws epishs kai se ola ta egkainia poy qa ginontai synexws apo edw kai pera kai se nosokomeia kai se sxoleia kai se alloys xwroys, prokeimenoy na exei thn eykairia, mazi me tis kameres poy pairnei gia logoys entypwsewn, na apolambanei to kainoyrgio poy dhmioyrgeitai. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Shmiths otan pragmatopoiei episkeceis den qelei, oyte entypwsiasmo, oyte qeatro, oyte eikona. Ton endiaferei h oysia. Giati, emeis kanoyme politikh oysias.

KOYIN: Mporeite na mas peite, giati niwqoyn thn anagkh diaforoi ypoyrgoi na episkefqoyn ergotajia toy 2004, mia-dyo hmeres prin erqei o k. Osbalnt; Phge h k. Papandreoy, o k. Berelhs shmera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhpws einai ergotajia ergwn toy Dhmosioy;

KOYIN: Dhladh, den sxetizontai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Safws, einai ergotajia ergwn toy Dhmosioy kai poly kala kanoyn kai ta episkeptontai, prokeimenoy na parakoloyqoyn ek toy syneggys thn proodo twn ergwn.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to dhmosieyma toy EQNOYS poy anaferei mia ereyna ths Kappa Research, symfwna me thn opoia h N.D., sth B@ Aqhnas prohgeitai toy PASOK me shmantikh diafora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den thn exw dei ayth thn ereyna. Yparxei, pragmati, alla den thn exw dei oloklhrwmena kai den mporw akomh na topoqethqw. Ayth th stigmh, ola ta kommata kanoyn polles ereynes se oloys toys nomoys ths xwras. Ekeino poy eimai se qesh na gnwrizw, dioti rwthsa tis etairies, einai oti den kanoyn panelladikh ereyna. Parola ayta, qelw na shmeiwsw oti polles fores se orismenes alles efhmerides, se mia merida toy Typoy -kai den einai tyxaio oti einai oi idies efhmerides, kaqe fora- anaferetai oti yparxei panelladiko gkalop apo th mia h thn allh etairia, symfwna me to opoio h N.D. synhqws emfanizetai na exei ena shmantiko dhqen probadisma. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti polles apo aytes tis etairies exoyn bgalei anakoinwseis kai exoyn diaceysei ta sxetika dhmosieymata. Ayth thn periodo ginontai polla gkalop, poy aforoyn toys ypochfioys dhmarxoys. To sygkekrimeno den to exw dei. Ekeino poy qelw na pw genika einai oti kaqe metrhsh, bebaiws exei thn ajia ths. Dioti, exoyme kai paradeigmata poy den yparxoyn gkalop, alla anypostata dhmosieymata. Ekeina poy yparxoyn exoyn thn ajia toys kai dinoyn ta dika toys mhnymata. Emas mas endiaferei na kanoyme th doyleia mas. Einai ayth poy diamorfwnei thn pragmatikothta.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Pws sxoliazete thn plhroforia, symfwna me thn opoia apo thn kybernhsh toy Israhl exei doqei entolh ston presbh ths edw na diamartyrhqei gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Kaklamanh, peri genoktonias twn Palaistiniwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh den sxoliazei kai den prepei na sxoliasei tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy Koinoboylioy. Apo ekei kai pera, anafereste se dhlwseis toy k. Kaklamanh, o opoios, me thn eyaisqhsia kai thn eyqynh poy panta ton diakrinei, topoqethqhke se ena idiaitera sobaro zhthma kai ejefrase ta aisqhmata poy yparxoyn kai sto Koinoboylio kai ton ellhniko lao. Bebaiws, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs yparxoyn oi topoqethseis mas kai sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths perasmenhs Kyriakhs kai tis synexeis topoqethseis poy exei kanei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, o opoios kalese ton presbh toy Israhl kai toy aneptyje idiaitera tis ellhnikes qeseis. Einai safes oti prepei na efarmostoyn oi apofaseis toy OHE.

BATIKIWTHS: H kybernhsh pisteyei oti h E.E. exei ejantlhsei ola ta mesa poy exei sth diaqesh ths gia na piesei ton Saron kai thn israhlinh kybernhsh na stamathsei thn epembash sta aytonoma palaistiniaka edafh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme topoqethqei safws kai exoyme analabei sxetikes prwtoboylies poy qa enteinontai synexws. Gnwrizete to xqesino sxolio -poy metaferqhke ws mhnyma- toy Proedroy Giaser Arafat, se sxesh me to mhnyma toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai bebaiws tis kinhseis poy hdh ginontai apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. Ginontai kinhseis kai parembaseis ths ellhnikhs pleyras kai den apokleietai, ean yparxei periqwrio, na klimakwqoyn.

BATIKIWTHS: Aytes aforoyn thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Pws krinei h ellhnikh kybernhsh th stash ths E.E. mexri stigmhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti polles xwres-melh ths E.E. exoyn parei analoges qeseis. Gnwrizete oti kai o OHE exei parei analoges qeseis. Gnwrizete oti yparxei kai h Synodos Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs me mia shmantikh apofash, h opoia apaitoyme na efarmostei. Ean xreiastoyn kai nees kinhseis, qa ginoyn.

FILHS: Poies kinhseis sxediazei h ellhnikh pleyra eite aytonomws, eite sto plaisio ths E.E. gia na apodeixqei apotelesmatikh h ejaggelia ths Barkelwnhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ginoyn oles oi anagkaies kinhseis. Antilambaneste oti ayta ta qemata kaqorizontai kai apo seira parametrwn. Exoyme tis prwtes kinhseis, oi opoies exoyn ginei. Qa ektimhsoyme ta apotelesmata toys kai qa synexisoyme. Opws blepete, den exoyme meinei adraneis. Antiqetws. Epitrecte moy, omws, ayth th stigmh, na mhn kanoyme ejaggelies, giati einai poly eyaisqhta ola ayta ta qemata. O k. Papandreoy exei analabei hdh mia seira prwtoboylies, exei kanei tis epafes. Afhste na ektimhsoyme tis epomenes kinhseis.

FILHS: O k. Papandreoy eprokeito na paei sto Israhl, alla metedoqh oti den phgainei epeidh h israhlinh pleyra den eggyatai thn asfaleia toy ekei. Prwton, qelw na rwthsw ean alhqeyei ayth h plhroforia kai deyteron, ean protiqetai, para thn apoqarrynsh ths israhlinhs pleyras, na epanalabei to aithma toy gia na paei syntomws sto Israhl.

PRWTOPAPAS: Afhste na ektimhsoyme tis kinhseis mas, me bash tis synennohseis poy ginontai synexws. Gnwrizete oti o k. Papandreoy xqes ekane mia seira kinhsewn, episkecewn kai parembasewn. Apo to apotelesma aytwn ginontai kaqe mera oi sxetikes synennohseis kai ekdhlwnontai kai nees prwtoboylies.

KOYIN: Xqes, o k. Papandreoy synomilhse me ton Tzem. Yparxei taytish apocewn Elladas-Toyrkias epanw sto problhma me to Israhl;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na tonisw oti kai h Toyrkia exei taxqei yper ths efarmoghs twn apofasewn toy OHE, opws pisteyw oti prepei na ginei apo oles tis pleyres. Opws gnwrizete, oles oi pleyres kai ennow oles oi alles xwres kai oi megales xwres, exoyn taxqei dhmosiws yper ths efarmoghs twn apofasewn toy OHE. Ekeino poy xreiazetai einai na lhfqoyn ola ta anagkaia metra, wste ayto na ginei prajh, na mhn meinei mono sto epipedo ths diapistwshs. Xreiazontai ekeina ta metra poy qa ypoxrewsoyn oles tis pleyres ayto, dhladh h efarmogh twn apofasewn toy OHE, na ginei prajh. Exoyme tonisei poia einai h kateyqynsh mas: Oi Palaistinioi exoyn dikaiwma na exoyn to diko toys anejarthto kratos me to nomimo hgeth toys Giaser Arafat kai apo thn allh o israhlinos laos exei dikaiwma mesa sta dika toys synora na zei asfalhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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