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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Shmera, apoxairetoyme toys aperxomenoys Genikoys Grammateis toy Ypoyrgeioy Niko Aqanasakh kai Giannh Nikolaoy. Meta apo arketa xronia -qa elega para polla gia ton prwto kai arketa gia to deytero- aperxontai. O Nikos Aqanasakhs analambanei th Grammateia Enhmerwshs toy PASOK kai qa egkatastaqei sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph. O Giannhs Nikolaoy analambanei kaqhkonta Proedroy ston Organismo Apasxolhshs Ergatikoy Dynamikoy (OAED). Prepei na eyxaristhsoyme idiaitera kai toys dyo gia tis shmantikes yphresies poy prosferan. Afhsan, qa elega, epoxh kai dhmioyrghsan sxolh. Qelw na elpizw oti to terastio keno poy afhnoyn, qa mporesoyme na to kalycoyme. Pisteyw oti anejarthta apo thn topoqethsh toy kaqenos, oloi exoyme na poyme enan kalo logo gia to Niko kai to Giannh, gia th doyleia toys, thn politikh antilhch kai to hqos toys. Mas edwsan th dynatothta na exoyme ena ejairetiko team kai mia pragmatika entypwsiakh yposthrijh toy ekastote Ypoyrgoy kai Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

Qelw na toys eyxaristhsw idiaitera kai pisteyw oti gia prwth kai teleytaia fora mporw na ekfrasw ki esas. Meta to peras ths politikhs enhmerwshs qa akoloyqhsei mikrh dejiwsh pros timhn toys.

To Niko Aqanasakh antikaqista h Dhmhtra Sphliopoyloy, poy einai paroysa kai qa analabei thn erxomenh ebdomada ta kaqhkonta ths. Pisteyw oti einai poly gnwsth se oloys sas. Mexri twra htan Proedros toy Organismoy Ergatikhs Estias. Eixa thn eytyxia na synergastw mazi ths gia polla xronia, ws Yfypoyrgos Ergasias. Feygei kai ayth apo ton Organismo me th fhmh ths petyxhmenhs kai qelw na elpizw oti h idia entash kai poiothta doyleias poy th xarakthrise ekei, qa th xarakthrizei kai sto ypoyrgeio mas. H Dhmhtra Sphliopoyloy einai kaqhghtria filologos kai exei makra yphresia sto xwro ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Einai melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK kai se ayto to plaisio exei ergastei kyriws sto xwro ths Paideias, alla kai ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs.

Ton antikatastath toy Giannh Nikolaoy qa sas ton anakoinwsw th Deytera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela, ek meroys olwn twn synadelfwn moy, na apoxairethsw aytoys poy aperxontai kai na toys eyxhqoyme kalh epityxia stis nees qeseis poy qa exoyn kai kalh politikh stadiodromia ean politeyqoyn. Gia thn k. Sphliopoyloy epifylassomai na milhsw sto mellon.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Stamatopoylos me ton kalytero tropo ejefrase oloys toys politikoys syntaktes. Gia thn k. Sphliopoyloy emperiexei kai xarakthra mias mikrhs apeilhs, ypoqetw, me thn kalh bebaia ennoia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Gelia).

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H mia afora to eyrw. Qa hqela, an mporeite, na apotimhsete thn prosarmogh ths xwras mas, afoy exoyn perasei ta krisima 24wra. H deyterh afora to tajidi toy k. Xrysoxoidh sto Londino kai an ayto sxetizetai me stoixeia poy exoyn sxesh me th "17N'.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, qelw na sas pw oti to tajidi toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, sto Londino, exei idiwtiko xarakthra. Synergazetai me panepisthmio ths Agglias kai phge ekei gia na synexisei toys kykloys ayths ths synergasias. Den exei kamia sxesh me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Bebaiws, yparxei synergasia toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs me tis agglikes, opws kai me alles yphresies. H synergasia ayth ginetai sto fws ths hmeras kai me epishmo tropo ton opoio gnwrizete kai enhmerwneste. To tajidi toy ypoyrgoy exei na kanei mono me th synergasia toy me to panepisthmio.

Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, pisteyw oti -an krinei kaneis apo tis prwtes hmeres kai den biazetai na bgalei telika symperasmata- oi kinhseis poy exoyn ginei gyrw apo to eyrw odhgoyn sto symperasma oti yphrje qetikh apodoxh apo ton ellhniko lao. Ta problhmata poy paroysiasthkan htan ta elaxista dynata, an krinei kaneis kai apo to ti egine se alles xwres ths Eyrwzwnhs. Yphrje ikanopoihtikh etoimothta toy kratikoy mhxanismoy kai twn Trapezwn. To shmantikotero, omws, einai oti oi Ellhnes polites sthn pleiochfia toys -kai se ayto yparxoyn metrhseis poy to epibebaiwnoyn- apodexthkan thn eisagwgh toy koinoy nomismatos. Katanohsan ayth th nea megalh eykairia poy anoigetai gia th xwra mas. Qa elega oti antilhfqhkan ta nea problhmata, alla kai tis nees eykairies poy anoigontai gia th xwra mas. H Ellada metexei sthn "kardia" ths Eyrwphs, stoys isxyroys ths Eyrwphs kai einai enisxymenh apo olh ayth th diadikasia. Bebaiws, anoigetai mprosta mas mia nea atzenta zhthmatwn, yparxoyn polla nea qemata poy qa klhqoyme na antimetwpisoyme, dhmioyrgoyntai nea kaqhkonta gia th xwra mas kai thn oikonomia mas, gia ta opoia bebaiws qa exoyme thn eykairia na koybentiasoyme. Parakoloyqoyme poly stena to qema kai, opws eidate, otan yphrjan kapoia mikra problhmata sta diodia h sthn EYDAP, antimetwpisthkan amesws me kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Qelw na qymisw oti analoga problhmata, se megalyterh isws ektash, yphrjan se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres. Sthn Italia, gia paradeigma, h oyra sta diodia eixe ftasei ta pente xiliometra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh mporei na mas pei shmera ti akribws symbainei me ayth thn toyrkikh notam gia th Rodo kai thn Kypro kai ti energeies exei kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti afora ena allo kratos oi energeies qa ginoyn apo ayto. Omws, qa hqela na baloyme ta pragmata sthn pragmatikh toys diastash. H notam poy ejedwse h toyrkikh pleyra, den einai qema poy dhmioyrgei apeilh gia thn eqnikh kyriarxia mas h qema "gkrizas zwnhs" -opws eipwqhke apo orismenoys- sto Aigaio. Den exei na kanei me tetoia zhthmata. Einai mia apaithsh ths Toyrkias na exei sxedia pthsewn se enan aerodiadromo, o opoios ontws perna mesa apo to diko ths FIR kai malista panw apo to edafos ths.

Opws gnwrizete, edw kai para polla xronia, o armodios dieqnhs organismos, o ICAO, eixe anaqesei sthn Ellada thn eyqynh ejyphrethshs ths enaerias kykloforias stoys aerodiadromoys gia toys opoioys ginetai h syzhthsh. Anateqhke, loipon, h eyqynh ejyphrethshs enaerias kykloforias sthn Ellada. H Toyrkia -kai kata ton ICAO- exei dikaiwma na zhthsei ayto poy zhtei. Oloi, omws, katanooyme oti den epeleje mia tyxaia xronikh stigmh gia na to kanei. Opws, epishs, oloi katanooyme oti aytes oi kinhseis stis opoies probainei to teleytaio diasthma exoyn na kanoyn me thn prospaqeia dhmioyrgias kapoiwn problhmatwn. Profanws, h toyrkikh pleyra antimetwpizei arketa problhmata poy aforoyn, toso thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, oso kai thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.. Ekeino, omws, poy prepei na ginei, einai h Toyrkia na symbalei me tis energeies ths kai pros ton k. Ntenktas gia thn yioqethsh mias pragmatika dikaihs kai biwsimhs lyshs toy Kypriakoy, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. Kai, bebaiws, na katanohsei oti prepei na apodextei thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E., symfwna me tis apofaseis ths E.E., h opoia einai kai h monh armodia gia to qema. Ayto prepei na kanei h Toyrkia. Ola ta ypoloipa, qewroyme oti den symballoyn sthn yparjh klimatos omalothtas sthn perioxh. Ekeino poy prepei na tonisei h dikh mas pleyra einai oti den prepei na qewroyme ws eqnika zhthmata h zhthmata apwleias ths eqnikhs mas kyriarxias, qemata poy den sxetizontai me ayta. Einai safes oti to qema toy aerodiadromoy aytoy afora pthseis politikwn aeroplanwn, poy ontws pernoyn, gia ligo, apo to FIR Kwnstantinoypolhs kai malista panw apo toyrkiko edafos. Qelei eidikh prosoxh kai leptoys xeirismoys o tropos me ton opoio qa antimetwpisoyme to problhma poy paroysiasthke. Prepei, loipon, na to qesoyme sthn pragmatikh toy diastash kai na symbaloyme oloi, wste na antimetwpistei apo tis armodies arxes me ton kalytero dynato tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti metra phrate, ti qa kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei analytika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws exete apanthsei; Xqes eipate oti qa yparjoyn anagkaies synennohseis ths YPA me thn toyrkikh pleyra. H YPA qa kanei synanthseis me thn toyrkikh pleyra; H YPA einai to armodio organo gia na kanei synanthseis kai synennohseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei enas dieqnhs organismos o ICAO, sto plaisio toy opoioy lynontai ayta ta texnika problhmata poy parathroyntai me toys aerodiadromoys. Den prepei na qewroyme to qema ws eqniko zhthma. Einai ena qema poy prepei na lyqei me diaforetiko tropo. Oloi katanooyme oti oi kinhseis aytes poy ginontai apo thn toyrkikh pleyra apoblepoyn se kati. Piqanon na apoblepoyn sth dhmioyrgia entashs sthn perioxh. Ekeino, loipon, poy prepei na exoyme sto noy mas einai oti prepei na exoyme strammenh thn prosoxh mas sthn "kardia" toy problhmatos: Sth dikaih kai biwsimh lysh toy Kypriakoy, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai sthn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.. Ekei estiazoyme to endiaferon mas ki ekei prepei kyriws na strefoyme thn prosoxh mas, xwris na qewroyme ws eqnikh krish otidhpote allo poy den einai etsi. Qa antimetwpistei kai to sygkekrimeno qema me ton kalytero tropo poy emeis qa epilejoyme kai me synennohseis poy qa ginoyn me tis armodies yphresies. Einai ena qema poy exei na kanei apokleistika kai mono me ton aerodiadromo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote, k. Ypoyrge; Ekkremei apo ton Oktwbrio ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn gnwsh oi fylakes.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me entypwsiase h arxikh sas apanthsh ston k. Stamatopoylo poy eipate "egw qa milhsw gia to diko mas kratos", afhnontas etsi ejw ekteqeimenh thn Kypro. Moy ekane entypwsh, opws to eipate.

PRWTOPAPAS: To antiqeto. Gia na mh dhmioyrghqei allh entypwsh, lew safws, oti exw hdh epikoinwnhsei me ton k. Papapetroy kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei kanei ta deonta pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes eixame parabaseis kai parabiaseis toy enaerioy xwroy ths Elladas. Dierwtwmai ean me ayth thn atmosfaira poy exei dhmioyrghsei h Toyrkia, mporei na proxwrhsei h ellhnotoyrkikh proseggish h kapoy pleon qa allajei h taktikh poy akoloyqei h Ellada ayth th stigmh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Xairomai, dioti pragmatika topoqeteite ta pragmata opws synebhsan. Dhladh, anti na blepoyme apo ta zhthmata to kaqena xwrista kai na prospaqoyme na to anagagoyme se eidiko zhthma, na blepoyme thn pragmatikothta. Einai alhqeia oti h Toyrkia, ton teleytaio kairo, epixeirei mia seira apo kinhseis, opoy mporei, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqei kai pali klima entashs sthn perioxh. Pisteyoyme oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na strecoyme thn prosoxh mas panw sta pragmatika problhmata. Poia einai ayta; Gnwrizete poly kala oti ginontai syzhthseis gia thn ejeyresh mias dikaihs kai biwsimhs lyshs toy Kypriakoy. Kai oi dyo koinothtes syzhtoyn, bebaiws pantote sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. Gnwrizete poly kala, epishs, oti yparxei programmatismenh synanthsh gia tis 16 Ianoyarioy. Ean prokycei toyrkikh adiallajia kai an qa emfanistei panw sta pragmatika problhmata, tote h toyrkikh pleyra qa analabei tis dikes ths eyqynes. Nomizw loipon oti skopimo einai, otan kaloymaste na dwsoyme tis dikes mas apanthseis, na tis dwsoyme ekei poy prepei, epilegontas emeis to pote kai poy prepei, wste h xwra mas na petyxei ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata sta eqnika mas qemata. Emeis, loipon, epilegoyme to pote kai poy qa dwsoyme th maxh, wste na petyxoyme apotelesmata kai oxi entypwseis. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno gia mas.

KWSTANTINIDHS: Pantws, den qa prepei na syndeoyme to qema ths epilyshs toy Kypriakoy kai tis nees synomilies Klhridh-Ntenktas me to qema ths entajiakhs poreias ths Kyproy, poy einai dedomeno kai yparxoyn oi apofaseis toy Elsinki.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kamia periptwsh den ta syndew. Ermhneyw, bebaiws, giati paroysiazontai ton teleytaio kairo ola ayta ta problhmata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean ta aeroskafh ths Politikhs Aeroporias,, poy petajan xqes kai shmera, akoloyqhsan allon aerodiadromo h ean ypobaloyn sxedia pthsewn, opws exei zhthsei h Toyrkia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw ean allajan aerodiadromo ta politika aeroskafh. Omws, to na ypobalei kapoio politiko aeroskafos, to opoio kanei th grammh Aqhna-Rodos, to sxedio pthshs, einai ena qema poy nomizw oti den dhmioyrgei meizon zhthma. Ayth th stigmh, to kyrio qema einai na katanohsoyme thn pragmatikh oysia toy problhmatos. Elegxoyme enan aerodiadromo kai ton exoyme gia kaqara texnikoys logoys, gi ayto mas ton edwse h ICAP. Giati; Giati einai poly mikro to diasthma poy mpainei sto toyrkiko FIR ews to xrono poy prepei na labei qesh gia na prosgeiwqei sth Rodo kai apokleietai texnika na prolabei na allajei dyo fores syxnothta. Texnika, dhladh, den prolabainei na parei thn toyrkikh syxnothta, molis mpainei sto toyrkiko FIR kai na janagyrisei sthn ellhnikh syxnothta, molis janampainei sto ellhniko FIR gia na kanei thn telikh prosgeiwsh. Qa yphrxe kindynos atyxhmatos. Gi ayto to logo, enw ypo kanonikes synqhkes qa eprepe na gyrisei to aeroskafos sthn toyrkikh syxnothta molis empaine sto toyrkiko FIR, doqhke h adeia apo thn armodia yphresia me thn anoxh ths toyrkikhs pleyras, na menei sthn ellhnikh syxnothta, na mpainei sto FIR Kwnstantinoypolhs na peta panw apo edafos ths geitonikhs xwras kai meta na mpainei sto FIR Aqhnwn, gia na prosgeiwqei sth Rodo. Ayto einai to qema. Me epiklhsh logwn asfaleias h toyrkikh pleyra erxetai na zhthsei sxedia pthsewn. H antidrash se ayto to zhthma prepei na ginei me eidiko tropo, poy na exei na kanei me to olo zhthma twn aerodiadromwn. Den prepei emeis na kanoyme to laqos na paroysiazoyme h na anagoyme se zhthma parabiashs ths eqnikhs mas kyriarxias. Den einai etsi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den eipa kati tetoio, giati to qema to gnwrizw poly kala.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akoyw polla laqh k. Kanellopoyle, ton teleytaio kairo. Gia paradeigma, akoysa to boyleyth Epikrateias ths N.D. Giannh Barbitsiwth, poy exei idiaiteres gnwseis se ayta ta zhthmata, poy eipe oti prepei na enhmerwnoyme tis toyrkikes yphresias Polemikhs Aeroporias. Oxi, den einai etsi. Den exei na kanei me polemikes yphresies, me yphresies eqnikhs amynas, ayto to zhthma. Exei na kanei kaqara me politikes yphresies, me epibathga aeroplana ths politikhs aeroporias. Einai ena idiaitera lepto zhthma, giati briskomaste kapoia stigmh sto toyrkiko FIR. Antilambaneste oti qelei eidiko tropo antimetwpishs ayto to zhthma. Ean epixeiroyme na dhmioyrghsoyme problhmata h na anagoyme thn ypoqesh ayth se qema eqnikhs kyriarxias den prosferoyme kalh yphresia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den hqela aytes tis dieykriniseis giati to gnwrizw to qema. Malista, opws legetai, einai kapoia deyterolepta h diarkeia ths pthshs sto toyrkiko FIR...

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi ayto to logo ta aeroskafh poy xrhsimopoioyn toys aerodiadromoys aytoys den mporoyn na allajoyn syxnothta. Ean den htan deyterolepta qa eprepe kanonika na allajoyn syxnothta. To aeroskafos qa eprepe na dwsei kanonika sxedio pthshs gia na mpei sthn toyrkikh syxnothta kai sth synexeia, afoy bgei na janagyrisei sthn ellhnikh. Epeidh, omws, einai poly mikro to diasthma, gi ayto to logo den allazoyn syxnothta.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Allo, omws, rwthsa. Ti egine xqes kai shmera; Ean to gnwrizete, se ayto qelw na moy apanthsete.

PRWTOPAPAS: H enhmerwsh poy eixa apo thn YPA htan oti piqanon na xreiastei na ypoblhqoyn kai kapoia sxedia. Omws, einai safes oti to qema qa epilyqei sto prosexes diasthma, mesw toy dromoy poy exei epilegei.

POYLIDOY: Eipate oti o ICAO eixe dexqei na xrhsimopoiei h Ellada aytoys toys aerodiadromoys...

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin apo polles dekaeties, ap o,ti gnwrizw.

POYLIDOY: Meta apo thn toyrkikh notam , o ICAO dexqhke to toyrkiko aithma; Dhladh, eimaste hdh se allo kaqestws h einai se ekkremothta ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean kaname prosfygh, qa eprepe na ejetastei poios exei dikio kai ti ginetai me thn eisodo se FIR jenhs xwras. Orismenoi biazontai kai lene giati den ekdwsame notam. Antilambaneste oti tetoies apofaseis qeloyn pollh prosoxh kai oi apofaseis aytes den mporei na einai biastikes. Pisteyoyme oti o tropos poy xeirizomaste to qema kratwntas to se epipedo yphresiwn Politikhs Aeroporias kai se texniko epipedo, einai o kalyteros dynatos.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh gia to qema toy Proedroy ths AEK k. Cwmiadh, o opoios leei oti den efarmozete toys nomoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema mh efarmoghs nomwn. Ean me rwtate, ean h kybernhsh h oi Arxes toy kratoys throyn toys nomoys, h apanthsh moy einai, kathgorhmatikh: Nai, throyme kai toys nomoys kai tis dikastikes apofaseis.

XRHSTAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean me ola osa synebhsan kai ola osa symboyn endexomenws tis epomenes hmeres, h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na paramenei sth taktikh ths ``bhma pros bhma'' proseggishs me thn Toyrkia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ejwterikh politikh einai ena, pragmati, opws gnwrizete, ena idiaitera dyskolo pedio. Prepei na prosexeis kai na dineis tis maxes ekei poy epilegeis esy. Ayth th stigmh, exoyme mia seira apo megala gegonota. To ena afora tis syzhthseis -den syndeontai ta dyo zhthmata- gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. To deytero, afora th genikoterh poreia ths Eyrwphs, th dieyrynsh ths, thn koinh ejwterikh politikh kai politikhs asfaleias kai ta sxetika zhthmata. Se ola ayta ta megala qemata h qesh ths Elladas einai safhs. Kinoymaste me gnwmona thn eirhnh, thn omalothta, thn asfaleia kai th synergasia sthn eyryterh perioxh ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. H Ellada einai isxyrh xwra, sebetai toys nomoys kai tis apofaseis ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, metexei kai ephreazei aytes tis apofaseis. Einai h monadikh xwra-melos ths E.E. -sthn krisimh perioxh ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs- exei isxyrh Dhmokratia, isxyrh oikonomia kai shmantikoys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, to teleytaio diasthma. Mia tetoia xwra, loipon, einai logiko na endiaferetai gia th diathrhsh ths eirhnhs, ths omalothtas, ths asfaleias kai ths synergasias. Ena apo ta qemata poy qa syzhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro twn HPA, qa einai h dhmioyrgia enos sxedioy prolhchs tyxon krisewn h problhmatwn se ayth thn eyaisqhth perioxh. Ayto shmainei oti prepei na lyqoyn ta problhmata. Ayto shmainei oti prepei na lyqei to Kypriako. Ayto shmainei oti prepei na lyqei h ekkremothta poy yparxei gia to qema twn Skopiwn. Ayto shmainei dikaih lysh se mia seira problhmatwn, symfwna me toys dieqneis kanones kai tis apofaseis twn dieqnwn organismwn. Aytes tis lyseis epidiwkoyme, gia na dikaiwqei h politikh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, poy anakoinwsate ti akribws qa syzhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro twn HPA den eipate ean yparxei to qema ths symfwnias HPA - Agglias - Toyrkias gia ton E.S.D.P. (European Security and Defense Policy).

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema ayto perilambanetai sth syzhthsh gia thn poreia ths E.E. kai th sxesh ths me tis HPA.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omws, den to anaferate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai eidiko qema pros syzhthsh. Einai qema poy entassetai sth genikoterh poreia ths E.E. kai th sxesh ths me tis HPA. Ayto einai to qema syzhthshs kai bebaiws, mesa se ayto yparxei kai mia seira qematwn poy endiaferoyn tis dyo pleyres. Alla, to qema toy E.S.D.P. qa lyqei mesa apo tis apofaseis ths E.E. kai mono.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh etoimazei nomo, wste oi dikastikoi na mhn epembainoyn se periptwseis paranomias politikwn proswpwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean anafereste stis teleytaies ejaggelies toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, prokeitai gia to akribws antiqeto. Eginan kapoies ejaggelies toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, gia thn aplopoihsh, thn omogenopoihsh kai dieykolynsh twn diadikasiwn, kai gia ena neo plaisio, poy qa dinei dynatothta eykoloterhs -qa elega- parapomphs politikwn proswpwn, ean exoyn diaprajei adikhmata. Otan erqei h stigmh qa paroysiastei analytika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Perilambanontai kai oi ypoyrgoi mesa se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Safws. Politika proswpa den einai;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws allazei o nomos peri ``eyqynhs ypoyrgwn'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi anafores toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs aposkopoysan se mia prwth paroysiash, giati qa akoloyqhsei analytiko sxedio poy qa exei na kanei me thn aposafhnish kai giati oxi, th dieykolynsh analhchs eyqynhs kai apo ta politika proswpa otan exoyn diaprajei kapoio adikhma. Pisteyw oti se antiqeth kateyqynsh ap` o,ti lete htan oi sxetikes ejaggelies.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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