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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, proxqes, o ekproswpos ths N.D. esteile mia epistolh sthn ERT kai kataggellei orismena pragmata. Eseis, ws armodios Ypoyrgos Typoy, ti sxolio exete na kanete;

REPPAS: Den eimai apodekths ayths ths epistolhs. Asfalws, exw enhmerwqei apo ta sxetika dhmosieymata gia to periexomeno ths. Ayto poy prepei na pw, gia mia akomh fora, einai oti h ERT exei epityxei ena ajiozhleyto epipedo antikeimenikhs enhmerwshs, poiotikhs epimorfwshs kai cyxagwgias sta programmata ths. Mhn ``pyroboleite'' thn ERT. Qa prepei na th bohqhsoyme, na thn enqarrynoyme na ginei akomh kalyterh. Qa elega oti se polloys tomeis o dhmosios radiothleoptikos foreas mporei na apotelesei to protypo gia toys alloys staqmoys. Exei thn koinh anagnwrish kai ektimhsh se polloys tomeis gia to programma toy. Kat` epanalhch, exoyn teqei apo thn antipoliteysh sth Boylh analoga qemata. Oi apanthseis poy dinontai pantote einai tekmhriwmenes kai plhreis. Apodeiknyetai me stoixeia oti ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs -kai idiaiterws h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh- filojenoyntai sta programmata ths ERT, idiws se enhmerwtikes ekpompes, me tropo poy den dikaiologei opoiadhpote analogh kritikh. An zhthqoyn stoixeia, qa einai, gia mia akomh fora, sth diaqesh ths antipoliteyshs. Kai tote qa fanei poios exei th merida toy leontos, alla kai poioi exoyn th dhmokratikh symmetoxh se ayth thn probolh twn enhmerwtikwn ekpompwn ths ERT, wste na mh dikaiologeitai kamia apo meroys toys aitiash, opws ayth poy diatypwse h N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, pisteyete oti h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kalyptetai, perissotero apo oso prepei, apo thn ERT; Ayto qelete na mas peite;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti qa prepei kai thn ERT, opws oloys toys radiothleoptikoys foreis, na toys afhsoyme na leitoyrghsoyn me gnwmona ayto poy epitassei to Syntagma: Thn anagkh na enhmerwqei o kosmos me ployralismo kai antikeimenikothta. Epishs, qa prepei na afhsoyme toys leitoyrgoys twn MME, me bash to dhmosiografiko krithrio, na epilegoyn ta programmata toys. Ayto poy prepei apo thn pleyra mas na kanoyme einai na parexoyme thn oikonomikh kai texnikh yposthrijh, wste na mporoyn na antapokriqoyn sto ergo toys. H ERT einai mia epixeirhsh, h opoia -mporei na pei kaneis- exei pleon ejygianqei oikonomika. Otan anelaba kaqhkonta eixe xreh poy efqanan ta 40 dis draxmes. Shmera, h ERT leitoyrgei me isologismoys poy einai isoskelismenoi. Epishs, prepei na sas pw oti exei anaptyjei nees drasthriothtes kai leitoyrgies, oi opoies deixnoyn oti mporei o dhmosios radiothleoptikos foreas na diadramatisei prwtagwnistiko rolo se ena idiaitera antagwnistiko periballon, opws ayto sto opoio leitoyrgei h radiothleorash sth xwra mas. Poly perissotero, poy oi idiwtikoi foreis einai aneptygmenoi kai milw gia thleoptikoys kai radiofwnikoys foreis sthn Ellada. Einai h monh megalh dhmosia epixeirhsh -mporei na pei kaneis- poy leitoyrgei se ena toso antagwnistiko periballon kai katorqwnei na exei th dikh ths paroysia poy se polloys tomeis einai kai prwtagwnistikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis pisteyete oti o Proedros ths ERT, o k. Panagiwtoy, doyleyei me gnwmona ayto poy epitassei to Syntagma h ws kommatiko stelexos;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h Ellhnikh Radiofwnia-Thleorash, ayth thn periodo, ta teleytaia xronia antapokrinetai sthn apostolh ths, kata tropo poy einai plhresteros apo opoiadhpote allh periodo sto parelqon. Kai ayto to anagnwrizoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Prepei na to anagnwrisete ki eseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh gyrw apo ta qemata toy Typoy. Exete sto syrtari sas kapoies apofaseis toy ESR me prostima;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, epeidh ki eseis, alla kai alloi synadelfoi sas grafete gia qemata poy aforoyn to ESR, qemata leitoyrgias twn MME kai grafete para polla, xwris na gnwrizete to qema, eiste pantelws asxetoi, kai prepei na to pw ayto, kalo einai na...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw poly...

REPPAS: ...gnwrizete oti gia na ekdoqei mia apofash toy Ypoyrgoy, basei ths opoias epikyrwnetai mia prohgoymenh apofash toy ESR, akoloyqeitai mia orismenh diadikasia. Pragmati, to ESR, se polles periptwseis, opws sth sygkekrimenh, se ayth poy anafereste eseis gia diafhmistika mhnymata, mas apostellei thn apofash toy, prepei, omws, na aposteilei kai ta praktika ths synedriashs, opws leei o nomos. Opws, epishs, prepei na aposteilei kai ta ypomnhmata kai ola ta alla stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn kataqesei oi endiaferomenoi foreis, prokeimenoy sto plaisio toy elegxoy nomimothtas poy dienergoyme, na ekdwsoyme thn telikh apofash mas. To ESR den exei aposteilei to synolo twn stoixeiwn ta opoia prepei na exoyme ypoch mas gia na ekdwsoyme ayth thn apofash. Oso kaqysterei to ESR na steilei ta stoixeia, toso qa kaqysterei kai h ekdosh ths apofashs. Parakalw, loipon, na frontisete na enhmerwneste perissotero, na mhn pagideyeste apo thn paraplhroforhsh, thn opoia kapoioi kykloi gia dikoys toys logoys, logoys skopimothtas, qetoyn se kykloforia kai etsi na ektiqeste ki eseis. Giati enas kalos dhmosiografos den prepei na thn ``pataei'' toso eykola.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ki egw o ``asxetos'' ftaiw, epeidh to ESR esteile thn apofash kai den esteile ta praktika;

REPPAS: Kathgoreite, omws, emena. Den krathsate mia epifylajh. Den kanate mia diastayrwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis ta zhthsate;

REPPAS: Asfalws, me epistoles mas, oi opoies einai sth diaqesh sas. Panta etsi ginetai. Qa mporoysate, k. Stamatopoyle, na kanete mia diastayrwsh prin proxwrhsete sto sxolio poy grafete shmera. Alla, ayto einai kati to opoio systhmatika apofeygete, giati den sas endiaferei h alhqeia, sas endiaferei h dhmioyrgia entypwsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai posa xronia qa krathsei, k. Ypoyrge, h antallagh epistolwn;

REPPAS: Thn erwthsh ayth na thn kanete sto ESR. Den diarkei, pantws, poly xrono ayth h diadikasia. Kai prepei na sas pw oti to ESR, epeidh exei enan terastio forto ergasias, antapokrinetai sthn apostolh toy kai pisteyw oti ki emeis eimaste synepeis, oson afora sta xronika oria poy problepei o nomos, wste tetoioy eidoys energeies na diekperaiwnontai kata tropo poy einai apolytws synnomos. Den armozei ayth h kritikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote, ayto ftaiei ki oxi egw o ``asxetos''. Etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Eseis den kanete diastayrwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To ESR ftaiei poy den ta esteile kai oxi egw o ``asxetos''.

REPPAS: Asfalws, eseis ftaite, giati to sxolio poy kanete shmera, to opoio -an qelete- diabazw paroysia twn synadelfwn sas...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na to diabasw egw, den exw kanena problhma.

REPPAS: ...rixnei tis eyqynes ston Ypoyrgo, ton opoio kathgoreite oti gia logoys skopimothtas apofeygei na ekdwsei aytes tis apofaseis. Pws to lete ayto; Pws rixnete thn eyqynh ston Ypoyrgo; Zhtate na katalysei thn aytonomia toy ESR; Zhtate apo ton Ypoyrgo na ekdwsei apofaseis, oi opoies den einai synnomes; Xwris na exei ypoch toy ta stoixeia poy problepei o nomos; Ti zhtate apo ton Ypoyrgo na kanei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw zhtaw, jerontas oti to ESR exei steilei thn apofash, mazi me ta praktika. Ara, aytoi den jeroyn na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Ki an ki eseis den toys piezete kai toys xaideyete...

REPPAS: Den zhtate tipota apo ayto poy prepei na zhtate. Ki ayto poy prepei na zhtate, kyriws, einai h alhqeia. Eseis epidiwkete tis entypwseis, den zhtate thn alhqeia. Ayth einai h diafora mas.

KACIWTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw kata poso einai apeilh gia thn kybernhsh h dhmosiopoihsh ths eidhshs oti oi ``gkrizoi lykoi'' eixan sxesh me ton Mpin Lanten kai malista oti yphrjan dyo tajidia sthn Toyrkia kai me thn anoxh ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs, th stigmh poy htan, hdh, ypoptos o Mpin Lanten apo ton kosmo.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h organwsh twn ``gkrizwn lykwn'' exei drasei sto parelqon kai malista me tropo o opoios einai blaptikos gia ta symferonta ths xwras mas. Ola ayta ta stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn sth diaqesh toys kapoies yphresies kai aforoyn th synergia twn ``gkrizwn lykwn'' me tis omades tromokratikhs drashs toy Mpin Lanten, asfalws, einai ajiopoihsima, prepei na elegxqoyn. Pisteyw oti h prospaqeia poy jekina h Dieqnhs Koinothta, ayth thn periodo, na antimetwpisei kai na katapolemhsei apotelesmatika thn tromokratia, qa labei ypoch ths ola ayta ta stoixeia.

KACIWTHS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti yparxoyn shmera sth xwra mas ena ekatommyrio Moysoylmanoi; Ti ginetai sthn periptwsh poy khryxqei aytos o ``ieros polemos'' kai ti metra protiqetai na parei gia na prostateysei toys polites;

REPPAS: Stis HPA zoyn eji ekatommyria Moysoylmanoi. Parakalw, den prepei na taytizoyme thn tromokratia kai toys tromokrates me mia qrhskeia, me enan politismo, me ena eqnos, me mia koinwnikh kai oikonomikh tajh. H tromokratia einai taytismenh me th bia. H tromokratia einai egklhma kai etsi prepei na antimetwpizetai. Den qa prepei na yparxei opoiadhpote tetoia sygxysh metajy twn qrhskeytikwn pepoiqhsewn ths eqnikhs katagwghs, ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs tajhs enos anqrwpoy me thn endexomenh symmetoxh toy se mia tromokratikh organwsh. Qa prepei na antimetwpizoyme toys tromokrates ws egklhmaties, asxetws ths katagwghs toys, ths tajhs toys h twn opoiwn pepoiqhsewn toys h twn politismikwn paradosewn toys.

ARGYROS: Yparxoyn aithmata apo eyrwpaikes xwres na dwsoyme plhrofories gia ypoptoys ths tromokratias;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h synergasia twn dikwn mas armodiwn yphresiwn me tis antistoixes twn allwn xwrwn kai ths E.E. exei ginei pio entatikh. Ayth h roh plhroforiwn, poy metajy twn allwn afora kai onomata, einai mia diadikasia poy entassetai sto plaisio ths diarkoys synergasias mas, den einai kati to prwtofanes. Katalogos me sygkekrimena onomata organwsewn h atomwn den exei perielqei, toylaxiston, mexri ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme, sth diaqesh twn armodiwn yphresiwn ths xwras mas. Prepei na sas pw, omws, oti emeis -prin yparjei otidhpote tetoio, an qa yparjei apostolh tetoias listas, einai kati poy den to gnwrizw ayth thn wra- exoyme labei ta metra mas. Oi armodies yphresies, asfalws, elegxoyn ola ekeina ta stoixeia, ta opoia mporei na syndeoyn oikonomikes h epixeirhmatikes drasthriothtes atomwn me tromokratikes energeies. Den exei prokycei kanena apotelesma. Gnwrizete poly kala oti briskomaste se mia periodo poy prepei tetoioy eidoys stoixeia na ta meletoyme me megalh prosoxh, giati prepei h ajiologhsh toys na einai ypeyqynh. Den exei prokycei opoiodhpote stoixeio, poy na mas odhgei se ena analogo symperasma. Apo kei kai pera, eimaste diateqeimenoi, sto plaisio ths synergasias poy exoyme me tis alles xwres, kai sto mellon na synexisoyme ayth th synergasia, ajiopoiwntas ta opoia stoixeia exoyme sth diaqesh mas.

KAPPOS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti shmera sthn Toyrkia kyberna komma poy einai metejelijh twn "gkrizwn lykwn" h akribestera politiko skelos toys;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh ths Toyrkias exei analabei sygkekrimenh desmeysh apenanti sthn E.E. na ylopoihsei ena programma metarryqmisewn kai na proxwrhsei se politikes allages, prokeimenoy etsi na proseggisei thn E.E. H kybernhsh ths Toyrkias, gia mia akomh fora, me aformh thn prosfath krish meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh, exei kanei safh th qesh ths. Einai sto pleyro ths Symmaxias, prokeimenoy na symbalei sthn antimetwpish kai ejaleich ths tromokratias. Pisteyw oti ayth h qesh ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs prepei na lhfqei ypoch. Apo ekei kai pera, ta eswterika qemata kaqe xwras prepei h kybernhsh ths na ta antimetwpizei me apotelesmatiko tropo, giati ayto einai pros to symferon ths sygkekrimenhs xwras, alla kai pros to symferon olwn.

KAPPOS: O Proypologismos syntassetai se periballon teleiws diaforetiko apo ayto to opoio jekinhse. Milw gia periballon oysiastika propolemiko, dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs kai epanalambanomena EKOFIN. Qelw na rwthsw kat` arxas, an yparxoyn skeceis gia perikoph dapanwn kai telika an ontws merikes dapanes perikopoyn, aytes qa aforoyn koinwnikes dapanes.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, prepei na einai safes oti h ellhnikh oikonomia einai isxyrh. Exoyme dhmioyrghsei, xarh sthn politikh mas, oles tis proypoqeseis, wste na antimetwpisoyme me epityxia ayth thn krish, opws kai sto parelqon. Qa prepei na eimaste proetoimasmenoi gia mia periodo yfeshs, oi arnhtikes synepeies ths opoias mporei na ephreasoyn kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai h opoia den gnwrizoyme poso qa diarkesei. Omws, pisteyoyme oti ayto den qa exei tis epiptwseis ekeines poy kapoioi perigrafoyn. Giati, h ellhnikh oikonomia, poy einai kommati ths eyrwpaikhs oikonomias, exei tis proypoqeseis na antepejelqei se ayta ta nea dedomena. To prosxedio toy Proypologismoy qa syzhthqei tis epomenes hmeres, giati prepei na katateqei sth Boylh, opws problepei to anaqewrhmeno Syntagma. Emeis, qa kanoyme tis proseggiseis mas me bash tis nees synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh. Prepei, omws, na sas pw -kai ayto einai kathgorhmatikh qesh ths kybernhshs- oti ston tomea twn koinwnikwn dapanwn, qa meinoyme synepeis sta osa exoyme ejaggeilei, giati epiqymoyme na diaqesoyme ayta ta shmantika kondylia stoys sympolites mas poy exoyn anagkh thn yposthrijh ths Politeias. Antiqetws, oi diaforetikes, enallaktikes proseggiseis qa aforoyn tis katanalwtikes dapanes toy kratoys kai twn yphresiwn toy, prokeimenoy etsi, an parastei anagkh, me aytes tis perikopes, me tis analoges allages, na proxwrhsoyme se prosarmogh sta nea dedomena, wste na mh blacoyme to ypostrwma ths isxyrhs ellhnikhs oikonomias poy exoyme dhmioyrghsei. H perifroyrhsh twn agaqwn, twn kekthmenwn ston tomea ths oikonomias, einai kati poy mas apasxolei oloys, giati se megalo baqmo ekei sthrizetai kai h epityxhs prooptikh ths xwras mas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Eipate, prin, oti sthn periptwsh poy stalei enas tetoios katalogos me ypoptoys, exoyn lhfqei kapoia metra. Poia einai ayta ta metra;

REPPAS: Eipa oti den xreiazetai na anamenoyme katalogo. Oi armodies yphresies ths xwras mas exoyn proxwrhsei se elegxoys, wste na diapistwsoyn an yparxoyn stoixeia poy na apokalyptoyn sxesh paragontwn, atomwn, epixeirhmatiwn, me tromokratikes organwseis. Den exei prokycei kapoio apotelesma apo ton elegxo aytwn twn stoixeiwn. Den exoyme, kyriolektika, tetoia stoixeia sth diaqesh mas. Ara, loipon, tetoio qema den tiqetai sth xwra mas, me bash ta osa gnwrizoyme mexri twra.

KOYIN: Otan lete, perikopes katanalwtikwn dapanwn, ti ennoeite; Ennoeite sthn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Eipa oti perikopes qa ginoyn stis dhmosies yphresies.

KOYIN: H krish poy yparxei twra, fobaste oti mporei na ephreasei thn poreia twn idiwtikopoihsewn, opws thn Olympiakh gia paradeigma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Olympiakh Aeroporia einai mia jexwristh periptwsh. Hdh, exei jekinhsei h diadikasia idiwtikopoihshs. Exoyn katateqei prosfores kai eimaste se mia lepth fash twn diapragmateysewn. Exoyme, epishs, anakoinwsei seira diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Emeis epiqymoyme na diathrhqei o ryqmos poy ejarxhs eixame problecei, wste na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia se kaqe periptwsh, gia kaqe mia apo aytes tis epixeirhseis. To neo periballon poy prokyptei meta thn prosfath tromokratikh epiqesh, asfalws dhmioyrgei nea dedomena. Emeis, omws, qa prepei na parameinoyme synepeis sto programma gia tis diarqrwtikes allages, giati ayto einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Asfalws, qa ektimhsoyme to endiaferon twn idiwtwn, twn ependytwn, oson afora tis sygkekrimenes epixeirhseis. Den prokeitai na proxwrhsoyme se mia politikh san na einai aytoskopos. Qa ektimhsoyme ti einai ayto poy symferei to koinwniko synolo, oson afora, fer` eipein, tis qeseis apasxolhshs poy ejasfalizontai, ti einai ayto poy symferei thn ellhnikh oikonomia, oson afora to timhma to opoio kataballetai gia mia epixeirhsh. Ola ayta, loipon, einai stoixeia poy synektimoyme gia na paroyme thn telikh apofash mas. To mhnyma, omws, poy prepei na steiloyme einai oti paramenoyme synepeis sto programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn poy exoyme ejaggeilei.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxei h plhroforia oti meta th dolofonia toy Stiben Sonters, yparxoyn sthn Ellada klimakia ths Skotlant Giarnt, ths Mosant, ths CIA, ta opoia bohqoyn gia thn ejaleich ths tromokratias sthn Ellada. Epishs, qa bohqhsoyn kai qa analaboyn kai toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Exei anakoinwqei oti, kaqws h xwra mas proetoimazetai gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004, exei synacei symfwnies me alles xwres, mesw twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Sto plaisio ayto, yparxei idiaitera stenh, synexhs synergasia me tis antistoixes yphresies allwn epta kratwn. Ta krath ayta gnwrizete poia einai, exoyn anaferqei. Einai h Aystralia, to Israhl, oi HPA, h Megalh Bretania, h Germania, h Gallia kai h Italia.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ena xrono meta to dystyxhma toy "Samina", yparxei kati neotero, se o,ti afora thn apodosh eyqynwn h kati me to porisma;

REPPAS: Kat` arxas, qa prepei, gia mia akomh fora, na ekfrasoyme th sympaqeia kai th symparastash mas stis oikogeneies twn qymatwn kai na dhlwsoyme thn epiqymia mas na apodoqei dikaiosynh. Qeloyme na ekdoqei mia apofash poy qa apotelei thn elaxisth apo meroys mas ejoflhsh, qa elega, ayths ths ypoxrewshs. Gnwrizete oti h diadikasia ayth brisketai se ena stadio poy den epitrepei opoiadhpote apo meroys mas emplokh, doqentos oti anamenetai to porisma toy efeth anakrith. Exei ginei gnwsto oti aytes tis hmeres oloklhrwnetai to porisma ayto kai qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Qa akoloyqhsei h diadikasia poy problepei h dikonomia. Den exoyme na poyme tipota allo, oson afora toys xeirismoys poy kanei h Dikaiosynh. Ayto poy epiqymoyme einai na lamcei h alhqeia, to syntomotero dynato. Den qa prepei, dhladh, h opoia prospaqeia epispeyshs ths diadikasias, na apobei se baros toy systhmatikoy kai meqodikoy tropoy me ton opoio prepei na ergastoyn oi armodies yphresies, idiws ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhmosieyetai kai xqes kai shmera oti ta asfalistika tameia exoyn paqei zhmia 500 dis. apo to Xrhmatisthrio. H kybernhsh, h opoia epopteyei ta asfalistika tameia, ta lefta twn ergazomenwn, qa zhthsei eyqynes apo toys tzogadoroys aytoys;

REPPAS: Den qa xrhsimopoioysa ayth th lejh, giati den apodidei thn pragmatikothta. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, exoyme mia logistikh katagrafh apwleias yperajiwn metoxwn asfalistikwn tameiwn poy fqanei sto 25,9%, thn periodo poy perase. Prepei na sas pw oti ta asfalistika tameia den einai enas "paikths" poy parakoloyqei kaqhmerina tis synedriaseis toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ta asfalistika tameia, opws kai alloi organismoi, ependyoyn se makroproqesmh bash, se metoxes poy periexoyn periorismeno ependytiko kindyno. An deite thn poreia twn yperajiwn poy kerdisan ta asfalistika tameia me tis ependyseis poy ekanan, apo to 1996 mexri to 2000, mporei na pei kaneis, xrhsimopoiwntas th dikh sas syllogistikh, oti eixan kerdh, afoy ayjhsan aytes tis yperajies se pososto 894,4%. Ara, loipon, den qa prepei na krinoyme, pws ejelissetai h ependytikh drasthriothta twn asfalistikwn tameiwn, kanontas epilektikh xrhsh stoixeiwn. Asfalws, epanalambanw, yparxei ayth h logistikh katagrafh poy odhgei sto symperasma apwleiwn, otan miloyme gia tis yperajies poy eixan kerdisei diafores metoxes stis opoies eixan ependysei ta asfalistika tameia. Apo thn allh, omws, sas eipa poia einai h poreia apo to `96 mexri shmera kai prepei na doyme thn poreia ayth sto synolo ths kai oxi tmhmatika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To Ypoyrgeio leei gia 500 dis. Giati ejw h "piatsa" leei gia ena tris oti xaqhkan.

REPPAS: Ta stoixeia poy anefera prokyptoyn apo ayth th meleth h symperilambanontai sto legomeno koinwniko proypologismo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H k. Papazwh ejakoloyqei na einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H k. Papazwh ejakoloyqei na einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, giati dikaioytai, opws kaqe poliths se ayth th xwra, thn analogh prostasia. Den einai meiwmenwn dikaiwmatwn poliths. Exei ta dikaiwmata poy exete kai eseis kai egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prostasia, dhladh, paranomiwn, opws leei kai o Synhgoros toy Polith.

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio grafthke gia thn ekdosh mias adeias poy egine to 1992, otan h k. Papazwh htan boyleyths ths antipoliteyshs -enw polloi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn thn entypwsh oti h ekdosh ayths ths adeias, poy xarakthrizetai apo kapoioys paranomh, egine thn periodo poy htan yfypoyrgos PEXWDE- deixnei me ton kalytero tropo poia einai h prospaqeia poy ginetai apo kapoioys kykloys na dhmioyrghqoyn entypwseis. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema ayto to antimetwpizoyn oi armodies yphresies. Mhn adikeite thn k. Papazwh, giati qa prepei na anamenoyme to ergo twn armodiwn yphresiwn poy otan oloklhrwqei qa exoyme ena asfales symperasma. Mexri tote, qa prepei na thn antimetwpizoyme opws kaqe polith. Exei ta idia dikaiwmata, oxi meiwmena.

Qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti h programmatismenh askhsh "Parmeniwn" poy einai h megalh diakladikh askhsh, qa ginei kanonika thn periodo poy exei anakoinwqei, apo 26 Septembrioy ews 2 Oktwbrioy. Sas to lew ayto, epeidh anaferqhke apo polla MME oti ayth h askhsh anaballetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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