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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, na sas enhmerwsw oti apofasisthke h ayrianh hmera na einai hmera penqoys gia ta qymata ayths ths tromokratikhs epiqeshs. Epishs, oi Monimoi Antiproswpoi twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO phran mia kat` arxhn apofash, omofwnws, me bash to arqro 5 toy Kanonismoy toy dieqnoys organismoy. H prospaqeia poy kataballei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, se synergasia me to Symboylio Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy kai thn Iera Arxiepiskoph ths Ellhnorqodojhs Ekklhsias ths Amerikhs einai synexhs, oson afora th bohqeia poy prepei na prosferoyn oi omogeneis mas ekei sta qymata ayths ths tragwdias. Sto plaisio ayths ths prospaqeias, exei teqei se leitoyrgia mia thlefwnikh grammh. Qa moy epitrecete na anaferw ton ariqmo, giati qelw na doqei sth dhmosiothta. O ariqmos aytos leitoyrgei sto Projeneio mas ekei kai einai: 001-212-9885500. Yparxei, loipon, se 24wrh bash anoikth epikoinwnia, prokeimenoy na dinontai plhrofories kai genikotera na parexetai enhmerwsh. Oi omogeneis mas exoyn kinhtopoihqei, prosferoyn aima, prosferoyn ylika kai opoia bohqeia einai xrhsimh se aytes tis peristaseis. Epishs sto ellhniko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei teqei se leitoyrgia analogh thlefwnikh grammh me ariqmo klhshs 36.85.555.

Oson afora, twra, Ellhnes, prepei na sas pw oti den exoyme diastayrwmenes plhrofories. Aplws, qewroyntai pio shmantikes oi periptwseis ekeines poy endexomenws omogeneis na perilambanontai metajy twn qymatwn. Oi periptwseis aytes anerxontai ston ariqmo twn oktw atomwn, mexri ayth thn wra poy syzhtame. Miloyme, dhladh, gia omogeneis poy ergazontan h briskontan sta ktiria poy dexqhkan epiqesh kai symfwna me toys syggeneis h oikeioys toys, den exoyn dhlwsei paroysia apo ekeinh th stigmh. Epanalambanw oti ayta ta stoixeia qa prepei na ta diastayrwsoyme. Einai h prwth proseggish. Opws, epishs, ginetai prospaqeia apo tis armodies yphresies mas na elegjoyn ta onomata twn traymatiwn poy noshleyontai se diafora nosokomeia, prokeimenoy etsi na diapistwsoyn an briskontai metajy aytwn twn traymatiwn kai Ellhnes.

H ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia mia akomh fora, ekfrazei thn orgh ths gi ayth thn tromokratikh epiqesh. Exoyme diatypwsei thn politikh qesh mas me apolyth safhneia, oson afora thn isxyrh boylhsh mas na synergastoyme gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na ejaleicoyme ayth th mastiga.

H ellhnikh kybernhsh, se synergasia me tis alles xwres ths E.E. -eimaste allwste se anoikth kai diarkh epikoinwnia- qa sxediasoyme ta epomena bhmata, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas, sto plaisio ths antimetwpishs aytoy toy pagkosmioy problhmatos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYIN: Mhpws mporeite na mas dwsete perissoteres leptomereies gi ayth thn hmera penqoys, an yparxoyn; Kai to deytero poy hqela na sas rwthsw einai an oi ellhnikes Arxes exoyn kapoia symbolh ayth th stigmh stis ereynes poy ginontai, opws exoyme maqei shmera egine mia syllhch sth Germania. Oi astynomikes Arxes edw syndramoyn, ginontai ereynes kai mesa sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, eipame apo thn prwth stigmh oti oi armodies astynomikes yphresies exoyn energopoihqei, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno kindyno. Bebaiws, den einai nohto na apotelesei antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs to ergo aytwn twn yphresiwn. Oloi antilambaneste pws qa prepei na kanoyn to kaqhkon toys, xwris h drasthriothta toys na apotelei antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs, xwris na kinoyntai katw apo to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

Oson afora twra to allo qema poy qesate, prepei na sas pw oti oi entoles poy doqhkan se oles tis diplwmatikes yphresies mas htan safeis apo thn prwth stigmh. Se synennohsh me tis alles xwres ths E.E. sygkekrimena tis diplwmatikes apostoles sta diafora krath, oi Presbeies ths xwras mas sta diafora krath akoloyqhsan enan orismeno tropo ekdhlwshs ths symparastashs mas, me to na kymatizei mesistia h ellhnikh shmaia. Ayto einai kati poy apofasisan kai alles xwres ths E.E.

Oson afora thn ayrianh hmera, anamenetai h ekdosh enos keimenoy-mhnymatos symparastashs ek meroys twn xwrwn ths E.E.. Ayto apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs metajy twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn ths E.E.. Kai ena allo metro einai na kymatizoyn mesisties oi shmaies stis dhmosies yphresies. Hdh, sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ayto exei ginei apo xqes. Gia ta qemata, omws, ayta stis leptomereies toys, sthn praktikh efarmogh toys, qa ekdwsei sxetikh egkyklio to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela an einai dynato na ektimhsete ti shmainei h epanaklhsh toy arqroy 5 toy Kanonismoy toy NATO, toso gia ta epomena bhmata ths politikhs ths kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy zhthmatos, oso kai gia epomena bhmata synolika ths E.E., mias kai emeis ypagomaste sthn E.E., bebaiws kai se o,ti afora tis sxeseis anamesa sthn E.E. kai tis HPA;

REPPAS: To arqro 5 ths idrytikhs diakhryjhs toy 1949 anaferetai sth rhth desmeysh gia amoibaia syndromh poy prepei na prosferoyn ta krath toy NATO se ena kratos-melos ths Symmaxias, sto plaisio ths syllogikhs aytoamynas. H anafora ayth toy arqroy 5 sxetizetai me epiqesh apo to ejwteriko enantion xwras toy NATO. Antilambaneste oti h apofash ayth, h opoia elhfqh omofwnws, qetei to plaisio, alla bebaiws h opoiadhpote praktikh efarmogh ths apofashs ayths, qa ginei meta apo diaboyleyseis poy qa akoloyqhsoyn sth stratiwtikh epitroph, me th symmetoxh olwn twn melwn toy NATO. Pisteyoyme oti to mhnyma poy prepei na steiloyme twra, qa prepei na exei ena ychlo politiko symbolismo. Kai epishs qa prepei, me kaqe tropo, na katasthsoyme safes oti tetoioy eidoys tromokratikes prajeis strefontai enantion toy Politismoy kai ths Dhmokratias. Den mporei na eimaste diallaktikoi me opoioysdhpote krybontai pisw apo tetoies energeies. Qa prepei h stash mas na einai apofasistikh, gia na mporei na einai kai apotelesmatikh. Ayto qeloyme na dhlwsoyme, exontas ayth th safh qesh.

SOYRMELH: Sxetika me to penqos, dhladh an katalaba kala, mesisties shmaies, ekdhlwseis, kapoia leitoyrgia, poy qa thn kanei bebaia@

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws ayta ta qemata anaferontai se egkyklio poy den exei akomh ekdoqei. Anamenoyme to periexomeno ths poy qa dieykrinizei ta metra ekdhlwshs aytwn twn synaisqhmatwn mas.

SOYRMELH: Pote qa ekdoqei;

REPPAS: Pisteyw pws ayto qa ginei entos ths hmeras, afoy, opws eipame, h ayrianh hmera exei oristei ws hmera penqoys.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws eftase to porisma ths Eisaggelias sta xeria toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Staqopoyloy, mias kai h kybernhsh kathgorhse ton prwhn Proedro ths N.D. k. Ebert gia to pws eixe ftasei sta dika toy xeria;

REPPAS: Ma, den parakoloyqeite ayth thn ypoqesh;

SOYGLERHS: Para poly kala. Eixe kanei dhlwseis, an qymamai kala, dyo meres prin, pws eftase sta xeria toy@

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete pws ejelissetai h ypoqesh. Ayto prokyptei apo thn erwthsh poy kanate. Edw kai meres o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs exei anakoinwsei oti zhthse apo ton k. Sakellako na toy dwsei ayto to yliko. Pragmati, elabe proxqes to eggrafo ayto, kaqws exei to dikaiwma apo ton organismo twn dikastwn, epeidh einai o proistamenos Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Exei anakoinwqei ayto. Kai epeidh to qema poy qesate, to eqese xqes kai o k. Ebert, aporw pleon, poy kapoioi -oi opoioi qetoyn toso sobara zhthmata pros syzhthsh, pros antimetwpish sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras- agnooyn ayta ta stoixeia poy synqetoyn thn pragmatikothta. Exei anakoinwqei, edw kai meres oti o k. Staqopoylos zhthse apo ton proistameno ths Eisaggelias na qesei ypoch toy ayto to yliko, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy. Einai gnwsto ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai apo tis shmerines dhlwseis sas, k. Ekproswpe, parathroyme oti h kybernhsh endiaferetai para poly gia to typiko toy qematos, an qelete, dhladh pws eftase to eggrafo ston k. Ebert h an o Eisaggeleas ekane swsta th doyleia toy. Epi ths oysias qa hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti ta tria-tessera melh ths kybernhshs epetelesan oysiastikws kai nomotypws ta kaqhkonta toys, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh h zhmiwsan ton ellhniko lao me prajeis h paraleiceis; Kai gia to typiko toy qematos, ena allo skelos ths erwthshs, me ayth th symperifora ths h kybernhsh, dhladh kaqe fora poy enas Eisaggeleas qa asxoleitai me ena qema, qa dienergeitai elegxos gia na doyme an ekane swsta th doyleia toy, mhpws apoqarrynetai h dikastikh ejoysia na probainei se elegxoys;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se erwthsh synadelfoy sas poy anaferqhke se ena qema diadikasias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Peite oti qetw egw to qema.

REPPAS: Lypoymai giati fainetai oti me thn erwthsh sas askeite kritikh sthn kybernhsh oti menei sto qema ths diadikasias, h opoia periexei kai stoixeia kritikhs. Asfalws mas endiaferei h oysia. Kai ayto einai sto opoio epikentrwnoyme to endiaferon kai thn prosoxh mas. Gi ayto, allwste, sta keimena poy exete sth diaqesh sas -eite einai h dhlwsh moy, eite einai kybernhtikh anakoinwsh qa deite- oti anaferomaste me polles leptomereies kai antikroyoyme, me tekmhriwmeno tropo, ayto poy apotelei periexomeno toy eisaggelikoy eggrafoy. Sthn oysia anaferomaste. Den anaferomaste se qemata diadikasias. Apo ekei kai pera, einai safes oti yparxei politikh meqodeysh ek meroys ths N.D.. Einai bebaion oti h N.D. ependyei politika sthn ptwsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy, adiaforwntas an blaptei thn oikonomia, an telikws blaptei ta symferonta twn ependytwn.

Ara, loipon, mas endiaferei to qema oysias. Kai epeidh mas endiaferei h oysia ayths ths ypoqeshs, dwsame ayta ta leptomerestata keimena, me tekmhriwmenes apanthseis shmeio pros shmeio. Ta gnwrizete ki eseis asfalws. Apo ekei kai pera, paramenei kai mas apasxolei to qema ths politikhs meqodeyshs ths N.D.. Giati, enw h DEKA kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi eprajan to kaqhkon toys pros to symferon twn politwn -ayth allwste einai h apostolh ths DEKA- h N.D. prosetairizetai, prosepikaleitai ayto to eisaggeliko eggrafo gia na kathgorhsei ypoyrgoys. Ma, to ekane tote, otan kateqese protash dyspistias enantion toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Ola ayta ta stoixeia poy syzhtoyme twra, eixan syzhthqei kai tote, htan gnwsta apo tote. Apo thn allh, o eisaggelikos leitoyrgos eixe oloklhrwsei, opws kai o idios dhlwse, th sxetikh ereyna toy stis 2 Febroyarioy kai esteile to sxetiko yliko ston Proedro ths Boylhs, arxes Septembrioy. Qa moy epitrecete, gia mia akomh fora, na pw -kai epekteinomai pleon se ena allo qema- oti ginetai fanero apo thn pleyra ths N.D. oti prospaqhse, epixeirhse, epidiwje na emplejei kai dikastikoys leitoyrgoys sth dikh ths politikh meqodeysh. Ayto einai anepitrepto. Qa prepei na prostateysoyme thn aytonomia twn ejoysiwn kai twn leitoyrgiwn, kaqws kai to kyros twn qesmwn kai twn forewn. Kai, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, anaferomai se ena paradeigma: Dialegw mia efhmerida, metajy twn pollwn, poy ekfrazei kai aphxei tis qeseis ths N.D.. Qa deite shmera oti, metajy twn allwn, paroysiazontas ayto to qema grafei: "Poinikes eyqynes stoys ypoyrgoys katalogizei o eisaggeleas. Kathgoroymenoi oi treis ypoyrgoi. Papantwnioy, Xristodoylakhs, Drys ypologoi gia diaprajh poinikoy adikhmatos." Poios ta leei ayta; Ta leei h efhmerida, xwris na prokyptei ayto apo to periexomeno toy eisaggelikoy eggrafoy h ta leei o idios o eisaggeleas kai aplws ta anaparagei h efhmerida; Kai fqanoyme, dhladh, sto shmeio, enw den exei kan armodiothta na diatypwsei kathgoria, edw na ekdidei kai katadikastikh apofash gia toys ypoyrgoys; Ayto den einai yperbash armodiothtas; Den einai yperbash twn oriwn poy qetei to Syntagma; Pws ejhgeitai ayto; Den einai kati poy prepei na mas apasxolhsei; Gia th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn milw pantote. Kata ta alla, mas endiaferei h oysia. Kai pisteyoyme oti oi ypoyrgoi kai h DEKA yperaspisthkan to dhmosio symferon. Eprepe na leitoyrghsoyn me ayton ton tropo. Pisteyoyme oti h prosfora ths DEKA prepei na anagnwristei. Oi apanthseis shmeio pros shmeio periexontai stis anakoinwseis poy ekdwsame xqes kai einai sth diaqesh sas, edw kai para polles wres. Qa tis exete melethsei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ennoeite, dhladh, oti h kybernhsh ayth th stigmh empisteyetai ta proswpa ayta poy anaferontai sto eggrafo;

REPPAS: Ayto einai aytonohto. O k. Papantwnioy, o k. Xristodoylakhs, o k. Drys paramenoyn stelexh ths kybernhshs kai synexizoyn me poly qetiko tropo thn prosfora toys sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs leitoyrgias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ dhlwne oti eixe agnoia toy periexomenoy toy porismatos kai taytoxrona mas diabebaiwne oti den yparxei kamia politikh eyqynh. Kai erwtw: H apanthsh ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy ti shmainei; Parembash sth Dikaiosynh h ebgaze porisma o Prwqypoyrgos th stigmh poy o idios elege oti den gnwrize ti leei to porisma;

REPPAS: Aytopagideythkate me thn erwthsh sas. Asfalws, o Prwqypoyrgos den gnwrize to periexomeno toy eisaggelikoy eggrafoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kai tote pws elege oti den yparxoyn@

REPPAS: Giati, o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti oi eisaggeleis kinoyntai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Ara, den einai dynato, den einai nohto enas eisaggeleas na diatypwnei kathgoria enantion ypoyrgwn. Den anemene oyte o Prwqypoyrgos, oyte opoiosdhpote allos, apo kapoion eisaggelea na yperbei to orio twn armodiothtwn toy kai na ftasei na kataggellei h na katadikazei kiolas ypoyrgoys. Eseis, me ayto poy eipate, einai san na omologeite oti pragmati oi eisaggeleis yperebhsan ayto to orio, diatypwsan kathgories, katadikasan toys ypoyrgoys kai aporeite pws ayto den to gnwrize o Prwqypoyrgos. Ma kanenas Prwqypoyrgos kai kaneis apo esas h apo emas den mporei na anamenei apo eisaggeleis na katadikasoyn ypoyrgoys. H Boylh einai ayth poy exei armodiothta na asxolhqei me to qema kai na labei apofash.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Egw den anaferqhka stis eisaggelikes arxes. Sas erwtw, pws o Prwqypoyrgos elege pws den prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes th stigmh poy ekeinos dhlwne oti den gnwrize ti leei to porisma;

REPPAS: Ma, opoiodhpote porisma kata ton Prwqypoyrgo, kata emena kai kata esas, den mporei na periexei o,tidhpote to opoio synista ajiologhsh kai malista tetoia, poy na odhgei se apaggelia kathgorias h kai katadikhs akomh enantion ypoyrgwn. Ayto qa perimene kaneis apo opoiodhpote eggrafo eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy. Den xreiazetai na gnwrizei to eggrafo. Jereis oti enas eisaggeleas poy kanei swsta th doyleia toy, den mporei se opoiodhpote eggrafo toy na periexei stoixeia poy apoteloyn apaggelia kathgorias h apofash katadikhs ypoyrgwn. Eseis, me ayto poy eipate, einai san na lete oti telikws o eisaggeleas jeperase to orio toy. Kathgoreite ton eisaggelea twra.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi, den ton kathgorw.

REPPAS: Ayto kanete. Eipate oti katadikazei toys ypoyrgoys, pragma poy lete oti den hjere o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos den mporei na perimenei apo enan eisaggelea na kanei kati allo, pera apo ayto poy epitassei to kaqhkon toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kai apo thn eisaggelikh ereyna, giati o Prwqypoyrgos apekleie to endexomeno na prokyptoyn eyqynes;

REPPAS: Giati to qema ayto mporei na antimetwpistei mono sth Boylh. Exei apofasisei h Boylh kati tetoio; Poios mporei na mila gia eyqynes, prin to qema ayto apasxolhsei to mono armodio, kata to Syntagma kai toys nomoys, Swma -poy einai h Boylh- to opoio, ayto kai mono, mporei na diatypwsei yponoies kai kathgories kai na labei apofash;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den prokatalambane o Prwqypoyrgos me ta osa elege, tis eisaggelikes arxes kai to apotelesma; Pws to gnwrize;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa, alla den qelete na katalabete.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi, egw katalabainw poly kala.

REPPAS: Telika, moy lete dhladh, etsi opws qetete thn erwthsh, oti oi eisaggeleis prokatalambanoyn kai kathgoroyn ypoyrgoys, prin na asxolhqei me to qema ayto h Boylh, poy einai kai h monh armodia.

ANTYPAS: Xqes, parapemcate ston ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy kai sto Symboylio poy elegxei toys dikastes. Exei jekinhsei h ereyna kai an oxi, pote;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena eidiko qema. Den afora genikws thn politikh ths kybernhshs. Einai qema to opoio prepei na antimetwpistei me thn akribeia kai thn typikothta poy problepetai sto Syntagma kai toys sxetikoys nomoys. Einai, dhladh, qema toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai monon aytoy, o opoios aytes tis meres apoysiazei sto ejwteriko. Den einai qema to opoio mporoyme na syzhthsoyme edw, oyte einai qema epi toy opoioy h kybernhsh qa synedriasei gia na labei apofash. Einai ena poly eidiko qema.

MIXAHL: Oi nomoi kai to Syntagma einai safeis. Efoson o eisaggelikos leitoyrgos esteile ena eggrafo sth Boylh, qa prepei h Boylh na to ajiologhsei kai na apofasisei. Tiqetai, loipon, to ejhs poly aplo kai kaqaro erwthma gia thn kybernhsh: Einai anoikth sto na symmetasxei se opoiadhpote diadikasia problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs gia th diereynhsh twn opoiwn endeijewn h otidhpote allwn anaforwn, shmeiwnei o dikastikos leitoyrgos; Dhladh, eiste eseis diateqeimenoi na syzhthsete ejetastikh h proanakritikh epitroph poy mporei kapoio komma na proteinei kai endexomenws na proxwrhsete se mia tetoia dialeykansh;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, milhsate gia ajiologhsh. H ajiologhsh ayth, gnwrizete oti, sto shmeio poy eimaste twra, den einai epitrepth. Den eprepe na ginei. Deyteron, den exoyn dhlwsei th qesh toys ta alla kommata, idiws h N.D., h opoia kinei olh ayth th diadikasia. Ayto poy mporw na pw twra einai, oti ean h N.D. analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia, asfalws qa ginei h syzhthsh sth Boylh. Emeis kaloyme th N.D. na analabei thn eyqynh ths kai, sto plaisio ths syzhthshs sth Boylh, oi apanthseis mas qa einai apostomwtikes, opws kai oi apanthseis poy dwsame, mexri twra, htan tekmhriwmenes kai apostomwtikes.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean zhthsoyn ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs th systash ejetastikhs h proanakritikhs epitrophs, eseis dexeste h qa hsaste arnhtikoi;

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme ayth thn ypoqesh; Den eimaste se ayto to shmeio twra.

IWANNOY: H N.D. qa zhthsei sigoyra ejetastikh h proanakritikh epitroph. Mallon proanakritikh.

REPPAS: To exei anakoinwsei ayto;

IWANNOY: To exei dhlwsei h idia h N.D. oti qa zhthsei ena apo ta dyo.

REPPAS: Ean, loipon, h N.D. exei etoimh th qesh ths, thn kaloyme na thn katasthsei safh, egkyrws, epishmws, prokeimenoy na labei thn apanthsh mas. Anamenoyme, loipon, th qesh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, se poia efhmerida anaferqhkate prin.

REPPAS: Mporei na pei kaneis oti h efhmerida ayth einai h megalyterh toy xwroy, einai o "Eleyqeros Typos".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo to eggrafo ayto poy eidate, den prokyptoyn eyqynes se ypoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws se sxetikh erwthsh synadelfoy sas, poy anaferqhke se ayto to qema epi ths oysias. Den hsastan apo thn arxh edw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anaferate eidika arqra toy Poinikoy Kwdika, alla o eisaggeleas anaferei kai alla arqra mesa. Sas rwtw kai pali, den yparxoyn eyqynes;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata aytes tis hmeres, oxi mono egw, alla kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Epishs, otan ta qemata ayta syzhthqhkan sth Boylh, sthn Olomeleia kai stis epitropes, syzhthqhkan me tropo -qa elega- ejantlhtiko. Exoyn syzhthqei ola ayta ta qemata. Den yparxei kanena kainoyrgio stoixeio poy na exei prokycei apo tote, apo ton perasmeno Flebarh, to opoio na dikaiologei opoiadhpote analogh prwtoboylia apo thn pleyra ths N.D. Einai fanerh h politikh meqodeysh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exoyn syzhthqei, den yphrxan tote ayta ta analytika stoixeia, oti stamatoyse dhladh ayth h xrhmatisthriakh DEKA, stis 10 toy mhnos, oti arxize stis 5 kai stamatoyse stis 10. Den yphrxan ayta ta stoixeia.

REPPAS: Gi` ayto lew oti exoyn syzhthqei ayta ejantlhtika. Giati kai to eisaggeliko eggrafo periorizei to xroniko orizonta twn drasthriothtwn ths DEKA se mia orismenh periodo, enw h drasthriothta ayth kaq` ayth eixe jekinhsei apo to 1998, ejelixqhke to 1999 kai bebaiws ekdhlwqhke kai meta tis ekloges. Kai stis apanthseis poy dwsame, sxoliazontas epi ths oysias pleon to periexomeno aytoy toy eggrafoy, qa deite oti metajy twn allwn diatypwnoyme thn enstash mas gia to oti sth selida 2 toy eggrafoy, esfalmena anaferetai oti h sthrijh ths timhs twn metoxwn diarkei, ek twn proterwn, kaqorismenh xronikh periodo kai payei meta th lhjh ths. Ayto poy lete eseis, dhladh. Emeis leme oti oi drasthriothtes ths DEKA epekteinontai se poly megalyterh periodo, toso prin apo tis ekloges, oso kai meta thn periodo sthn opoia anaferetai to eggrafo. Kai diatypwnoyme thn kritikh apo thn pleyra mas oti kakws h prosoxh periorizetai se ayth th xronikh periodo. Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den lete kai meta tis 10 toy mhnos tis drasthriothtes ths etairias ayths; Eiste dikasths, exete bgalei apofash amesws;

REPPAS: Egw den eimai dikasths kai sas parakalw na mh ginete kai eseis. Giati sthn efhmerida sas, kaqe mera, blepw na grafete gia "apatewnes kai kleftes". Eseis telikws kanete toys dikastes. Kai ayto einai ena qema to opoio afora th deontologia thn opoia prepei na throyn ta MME. Kai eseis, ws palios dhmosiografos, poy kaqhmerina epi tosa xronia -ayth einai kai dikh moy empeiria- parakoloyqeite thn politikh enhmerwsh, qa hqela na systhsete stoys synergates sas na einai poly pio prosektikoi, otan apokaloyn politikoys "apatewnes" kai "kleftes", xwris na exoyn to paramikro stoixeio gi` ayto. Eiste dikasths, ekdidete dikastikes apofaseis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, egw den ebgala dikastikh apofash, alla eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos giati bgalate aqwwtikh apofash;

REPPAS: Ara, loipon, den dikaiologeitai aytos o xarakthrismos poy apodidetai syllhbdhn se politika proswpa. Ayto deixnei to hqos me to opoio kapoioi kinoyntai sto xwro twn MME.

SOYGLERHS: Diabazontas kaneis th xqesinh 6selidh kybernhtikh anakoinwsh, blepei oti epikrinetai o eisaggelikos leitoyrgos oti den ekane kala th doyleia toy h oti merolhptei. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: H anakoinwsh poy dwsame einai eyglwtth, dinei apostomwtikes apanthseis se ola ta qemata poy tiqentai. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw, yparxei politikh meqodeysh apo thn pleyra ths N.D., h opoia edw kai mhnes epixeirhse kai prospaqhse na emplejei sta politika paixnidia ths eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys. Ayto einai anepitrepto apo thn pleyra ths kai gi` ayto katadikazoyme kai kataggelloyme th stash ths.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo aytes tis energeies twn enexomenwn se ayth thn ypoqesh, eseis ws kybernhsh pisteyete oti kerdise h kybernhsh, kerdise to Xrhmatisthrio, kerdise to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias, kerdisan oi ependytes apo aytes tis sygkekrimenes prajeis poy feroyn thn ypografh twn armodiwn melwn ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Apo th leitoyrgia ths DEKA kai tis epiloges poy ekane, opws exei kataqesei kai o Proedros ths, egine prospaqeia na prostateyqei to dhmosio symferon kai ayto katorqwqhke se shmantiko baqmo. Aytos, allwste, htan o logos poy idryqhke h DEKA. Ayth htan h apostolh ths. Kai analogos einai o rolos antistoixwn organismwn se alles xwres. Ara, loipon, yphrje pragmati ofelos apo ayth th drasthriothta. Apo ekei kai pera, aytos o opoios xanei, einai oi ependytes, to Xrhmatisthrio kai h ellhnikh oikonomia, logw ths stashs ths N.D. na synthrei ena qema me tropo poy einai pantelws aparadektos.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ara, exasan kai oi ependytes. Ayth einai h apanthsh sas.

REPPAS: Logw ths stashs ths N.D..

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis to ejhgeite. Egw rwtw, gia to gegonos. Mhn mperdeyete to PASOK kai th N.D.

REPPAS: Ma, apanthsa. Otan bgazete symperasma ...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw den ebgala symperasma.

REPPAS: Ma, lete, "ara".

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis to lete oti exasan oi ependytes.

REPPAS: Me th stash ths N.D., twra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H ejhghsh einai ayth. Egw menw sta gegonota.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den qa kanoyme aytoy toy eidoys to dialogo. Rwtate, apantw. Lete, "ara", bgazontas symperasma, logw ths dikhs moy apanthshs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi, epibebaiwnw th frash sas me to "ara", den bgazw symperasma.

REPPAS: Nai, alla na thn lete oloklhrh th frash moy, gia na mh dhmioyrgeitai paranohsh. Giati, texnhentws, den lete olh th frash moy. Lete, "ara exasan kai oi ependytes". Epanalambanw: Xanoyn oi ependytes, xanei to Xrhmatisthrio, xanei h oikonomia, logw ths stashs ths N.D. Na th lete olh thn apanthsh moy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, omws, giati anagkazomaste na analyoyme tis fraseis sas, opws to Eyaggelio dhladh, frash-frash kai lejh-lejh.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy qewreite to logo moy, logo Eyaggelioy!

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi pantote.

REPPAS: Eseis to eipate twra, den to eipa egw. Ayto einai kalo, den einai kako. Ayto einai timhtiko gia mena.

POYLAKIDAS: Ystera apo thn energopoihsh toy arqroy 5 kai to endexomeno na yparjoyn sklhra antipoina ek meroys twn HPA, mhpws ejetazetai to endexomeno na ephreastoyn kai eswterikes politikes ejelijeis, opws na anablhqei to Synedrio toy PASOK h kati allo;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema. O politikos sxediasmos ths paratajhs mas, gnwrizete oti ejelissetai, symfwna me osa exoyme apofasisei. Apo ekei kai pera, einai poly prowro na milhsoyme gia otidhpote exei sxesh me thn praktikh efarmogh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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