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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Aygoystoy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Th Deytera (10/9) qa episkefqei th xwra mas o Gallos Prwqypoyrgos Lionel Zospen, synodeyomenos apo ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Gallias k. Bentrin. Qa exoyn synomilies me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti den exei zhthqei, ews ayth th stigmh, synanthsh ek meroys ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias me ton armodio ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. Ypenqymizw, epishs, oti den exei antapodoqei h eqimotypikh episkech toy ypoyrgoy Paideias pros ton Arxiepiskopo.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOY@I@N: Exete na mas dwsete perissoteres leptomereies gia thn episkech toy Galloy Prwqypoyrgoy; Einai ektakth h episkech;

REPPAS: To programma ths episkechs qa gnwstopoihqei thn katallhlh stigmh. Oi dyo Galloi politikoi qa briskontai sthn Ellada to brady ths Kyriakhs (9/9). Thn epomenh qa exoyn synomilies kai qa epistrecoyn sth xwra toys to brady ths Deyteras. Einai gnwstes oi poly kales sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn kai oi poly kales sxeseis -kai se proswpiko malista epipedo- twn dyo prwqypoyrgwn. Ayto, pisteyw, ta ejhgei ola.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na sas rwthsw gia diafora qemata poy aforoyn to Kypriako. Ayth th stigmh o kypriakos Ellhnismos niwqei melagxolia, oso synexizetai ayth h periergh ellhnotoyrkikh proseggish, h opoia den jeroyme poy mas odhgei. Qa gnwrizete, bebaia, oti exoyme th syndiorganwsh toy EURO 2008 me thn Toyrkia. Einai ena gegonos poy projenhse orgh sthn Kypro. Qa gnwrizete, epishs, oti me thn periergh siwph ths Elladas kai thn protroph ths Germanias, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh chfise opws oi Toyrkokyprioi xrhsimopoioyn diko toys diabathrio, qa to exete ypoch sas. Kai na sas anaferw, telos, thlegrafhma poy proerxetai apo thn Amerikh kai anaferei oti o Kybernhths ths Alampama Nton Stigkmperman ypegrace pro hmerwn diakhryjh poy orizei thn 30h Aygoystoy ws "hmera anamnhshs ths toyrkikhs tragwdias, me skopo thn apeleyqerwsh, kyriarxia kai anejarthsia ths". H diakhryjh perigrafei toys Toyrkoys ws "qymata twn tragikwn gegonotwn ths 10etias 1912-1922" kai thn Toyrkia ws "ypodeigma eqnikhs symfiliwshs kai dhmokratias sto moysoylmaniko kosmo kai pisth symmaxo twn HPA". Kai synexizei to thlegrafhma oti, paroti den ginetai sygkekrimenh anafora sthn Ellada, to chfisma exei prokalesei tis diamartyries twn omogeneiakwn omadwn poy kataggelloyn paraxarajh ths istorias. Poia einai h qesh ths Elladas se ola ayta;

REPPAS: Oson afora to teleytaio zhthma, pragmati epixeireitai plastografhsh ths istorias. Ayto einai ena stoixeio to opoio apodeiknyei me anaglyfo tropo oti h dieqnhs koinothta perilambanei paragontes poy gia diaforoys logoys, syxna idioteleis h kai ypoptoys, proxwroyn se prwtoboylies h pairnoyn qeseis poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn istorikh alhqeia. Pisteyw oti oi antidraseis twn omogeneiakwn paragontwn kai oi prwtoboylies apo th dikh mas pleyra qa apokatasthsoyn thn alhqeia.

Oson afora to deytero qema, den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia ayto poy isxyrizeste. Oydepote elhfqh opoiadhpote apofash, basei ths opoias dinetai h dynatothta stoys Toyrkokyprioys na xrhsimopoioyn diabathrio poy exei ekdwsei to ceydokratos, to opoio den anagnwrizetai.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oi plhrofories poy exw anaferoyn oti den yphrje epishmh anakoinwsh, alla@

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Prokeitai gia parejhghsh. Yphrxe enas katalogos olwn twn xwrwn poy ekdidoyn diabathria ta opoia anagnwrizontai apo tis armodies yphresies toy germanikoy kratoys. Metajy twn xwrwn aytwn anaferotan kai to ceydokratos kai mesa se parenqesh yphrxe h parathrhsh se ayto to eggrafo oti den anagnwrizontai ta diabathria toy "kratoys" aytoy. Yphrxe, dhladh, arnhtikh epishmansh. Apo th dikh mas pleyra zhthqhke, afoy yphrxe arnhtikh epishmansh, na afaireqei olosxerws h anafora kai se ayto to idio to "kratos", pragma poy exei ginei. Ara, loipon, epanalambanw, giati prokeitai gia parejhghsh, oti den ginotan anafora sto ceydokratos, oson afora thn anagnwrish twn diabathriwn poy ekdidei, alla me thn epishmansh oti den anagnwrizontai ta diabathria toy. Meta apo ayto zhthqhke h olosxerhs apaleich aytoy toy idioy toy onomatos toy ceydokratoys, pragma to opoio kai egine.

Oson afora to prwto qema, exw pei kat` epanalhch oti epiqymoyme thn ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, sth bash toy sebasmoy twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn kai ths thrhshs twn kanonwn poy diepoyn th leitoyrgia ths dieqnoys ennomhs tajhs. H ypoqesh toy Kypriakoy einai meizon zhthma gia th xwra mas kai thn kybernhsh mas kai ephreazei kaqoristika thn poreia twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Ayto to exoyme diamhnysei pros pasa kateyqynsh. To gnwrizei h Toyrkia. To gnwrizei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. To gnwrizoyn oi HPA. To gnwrizei o OHE. Pisteyoyme, oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme apenanti sthn Toyrkia se polloys tomeis, alla kai sto sygkekrimeno, bohqaei thn prowqhsh ths prospaqeias gia lysh toy Kypriakoy. Kai, bebaiws, eynoei thn omalh ejelijh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn ths Kyproy sthn poreia ths pros thn E.E.. Pisteyoyme oti den dikaiologeitai ayth h kaxypocia h h pikria, an yparxei, apo thn pleyra toy kypriakoy laoy, giati o kypriakos laos gnwrizei -prepei na gnwrizei- oti sto eqniko zhthma, alla kai se oles tis ypoqeseis ths Kyproy den eimaste konta sthn Kypro, eimaste taytismenoi me thn Kypro. Ayto einai to diarkes mhnyma poy ekpempoyme me aformh opoiadhpote syzhthsh gyrw apo ayta ta qemata.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa symfwnhsw mazi sas, oti oi prospaqeies ths Elladas sygklinoyn pros thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Para tayta, para tis qysies ths Elladas den blepw na yparxei kapoia allh allagh ths qeshs, oyte apo ton Ntenktas, oyte apo thn Toyrkia. Hdh, o Ntenktas torpilizei to neo kyklo synomiliwn. Dierwtwmai, giati emeis prepei synexws na eimaste ypo kai oi Toyrkoi na einai antiqetoi me o,ti emeis proteinoyme;

REPPAS: To entelws antiqeto symbainei. H Ellada einai h xwra h opoia petyxainei diarkws toys stoxoys poy qetei. Den symbainei to idio me th geitonikh xwra. Emeis exoyme katorqwsei, meta kai th symfwnia toy Elsinki to Dekembrio toy 1999, na orisoyme ena plaisio poy ginetai dieqnws sebasto. Prepei kai h Toyrkia na thrhsei to plaisio ayto, basei toy opoioy, metajy twn allwn, qa antimetwpistoyn kai shmantika gia thn Kypro kai thn Ellada zhthmata. Pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai symfwnh me to eqniko symferon kai ayto to antilambanontai oloi. H xrewsh toy k. Ntenktas einai epanalambanomenh apo to dieqnh paragonta. Oloi gnwrizoyn -to exoyn pei kai dhmosiws- oti aytos einai o paragontas poy diadramatizei arnhtiko rolo stis prospaqeies ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas gia to kypriako zhthma. Kata ta alla, emeis paramenoyme se mia politikh, h opoia, opws apodeiknyetai sthn prajh, apodidei karpoys. Ta apotelesmata -mporw na anaferqw se ayta- einai sygkekrimena kai xeiropiasta, toso gia thn Ellada, oso kai gia thn Kypro.

BITALHS: Antidraseis gia to qema ths syndiorganwshs toy EURO 2008, den yparxoyn mono sthn Kypro. Antidraseis yparxoyn kai sthn Ellada. Sas ypenqymizw tis dhlwseis poy ekanan xqes arketoi dieqneis podosfairistes poy metexoyn sthn Eqnikh Omada. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na sebastoyme thn apofash poy elaban oi podosfairikes omospondies, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn aytonoma. Ta armodia organa, bebaiws, exoyn akomh na kanoyn pollh doyleia, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyn stis telikes epiloges gia th diorganwsh aytoy toy prwtaqlhmatos. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws exoyn dhlwsei oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi, enqarrynei ayth thn prwtoboylia, giati pisteyei oti sto plaisio toy aqlhtismoy mporoyme na anazhthsoyme proseggiseis poy qa dieykolynoyn th dhmioyrgia enos kalyteroy klimatos. Ayto qa exei qetikes epiptwseis sto synolo twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Epanalambanw oti h proseggish Elladas-Toyrkias, kaqoson mas afora, den mporei na oloklhrwqei me epityxia an ayto den afora to kypriako zhthma.

EYSTAQIOY: Profanws, h kybernhsh eikazei oti mexri to 2008 h poreia entajhs ths Kyproy den qa dynamitisei tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, dhladh oti mexri to 2008 kai h Kypros qa exei entaxqei kai h Toyrkia qa exei apodexqei thn entajh; Qa yparxei ena klima ejomalynshs mexri tote;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti den qa prepei na syndeoyme aytomatws kai eyqews, opws to kanete me thn erwthsh sas, ayta ta dyo zhthmata. H prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia ta eqnika qemata -milw gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, alla kai thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E.- einai diarkhs. Pisteyoyme oti, to syntomotero dynato, qa exoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata gia ta dyo ayta zhthmata. Apo ekei kai pera, mia aqlhtikh diorganwsh exei thn ajia ths, thn aytoteleia ths kai symbolizei kati poy oloi epiqymoyme: Thn epikoinwnia twn dyo lawn poy einai geitones kai th symmetoxh toys se ena gegonos poy exei paneyrwpaikh shmasia, opws einai o qesmos aytoy toy eyrwpaikoy prwtaqlhmatos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn arxh eipate oti mexri stigmhs h Ekklhsia den exei zhthsei na synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Paideias. H Ekklhsia exei zhthsei na synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn. Ayto qa ginei;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se analoges erwthseis. Epeidh ginetai synexhs kai entonh epiklhsh ths anagkhs gia synanthsh kai dialogo, ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora oti den exei antapodoqei h eqimotypikh episkech toy ypoyrgoy Paideias pros ton Arxiepiskopo kai ews ayth th stigmh den exei zhthqei synanthsh me ton ekproswpo ths kybernhshs poy einai o armodios ypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Paideias mhpws paei twra ston Arxiepiskopo;

REPPAS: Ta exete mperdecei. Symbainei to entelws antiqeto. O ypoyrgos Paideias episkefqhke ton Arxiepiskopo. H antapodosh ayths ths episkechs den exei ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Benizelos paroysiase, xqes, ena nomosxedio kai xarizei se kapoies idiwtikes omades mpasket oktw dis draxmes. Apo poy kai ws poy h kybernhsh h o ypoyrgos xarizei ena tetoio poso;

REPPAS: Den einai swsth h lejh poy xrhsimopoieite. Ginetai mia dieyqethsh sto plaisio aytoy toy nomosxedioy, wste na doqei h dynatothta stis anwnymes aytes etaireies na synexisoyn na leitoyrgoyn katw apo diafaneis oikonomikoys oroys. Kata ta alla, to nomosxedio ayto qa syzhthqei sth Boylh kai ta kommata qa diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys. Mh biazeste, loipon, eseis h opoiosdhpote allos, na bgalete teliko symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ryqmish qa ginei h qa xaristoyn ayta ta xrhmata;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den einai swsth h lejh ayth poy xrhsimopoihsate. To rhma ayto den apodidei to pneyma ayths ths protashs. Apo ekei kai pera, sas eipa oti ginetai mia prospaqeia, wste na dhmioyrghqoyn oi proypoqeseis gia th diafanh oikonomikh leitoyrgia twn anwnymwn etairiwn poy exoyn perielqei se oikonomiko adiejodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei thn erxomenh Deytera sta apokalypthria toy andrianta toy Andrea Papandreoy sth Qessalonikh.

REPPAS: Sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy den problepetai ayto, doqentos oti meta apo liges hmeres qa breqei sth symprwteyoysa, sto plaisio ths D.E.Q.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ton exoyn kalesei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. O Prwqypoyrgos exei sygkekrimeno programma. Sas exw, hdh, anakoinwsei dyo shmantikes synanthseis poy qa exei thn erxomenh Deytera, me th GSEE kai to SEB kai ayto ta leei ola.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei klhqei na parastei;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos kaleitai se polles ekdhlwseis. Omws, exei ena programma poy toy epiballetai apo thn askhsh twn armodiothtwn toy ws Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Sas eipa oti sth Qessalonikh qa breqei meta apo liges hmeres sto plaisio ths D.E.Q.

GKROMAN: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei pei epaneilhmmenws oti ta synora sta Balkania den allazoyn. Xqes, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos sth Boylh, anaferqhke se mia piqanh synanthsh se orismena xronia sthn perioxh gia ton epanaprosdiorismo twn synorwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh gnwrizei kati parapanw gi` ayto.

REPPAS: Qa sas kaloysa na diabasete me prosoxh to synolo twn dhlwsewn toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas. H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, opws th diatypwse kai o armodios ypoyrgos, einai safhs kai einai h telikh. Me kaqe tropo yperaspizomaste to sebasmo twn synorwn poy yparxoyn shmera sthn perioxh. H politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai politikh gia thn eirhnh, th synergasia, th staqerothta kai thn asfaleia sthn perioxh. Eimaste parontes, prokeimenoy na symballoyme sthn epiteyjh twn stoxwn sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs. Kai einai profanes oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai politikh gia to eqniko symferon ths xwras. Sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs gia thn prowqhsh toy eqnikoy symferontos qa eimaste kai sto mellon parontes.

MPOTWNHS: H dhmosia parembash toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias xqes gia tis taytothtes, htan kati anamenomeno gia thn kybernhsh; Sas jafniase eyxarista; Kai pws sxoliazete tis neoteres dhlwseis toy k. Mhtsotakh poy epitiqetai ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai kanei logo gia "ladi sth fwtia".

REPPAS: Kata pagia taktikh, den sxoliazoyme tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti o Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai o eggyhths kai o qematofylakas ths leitoyrgias toy Syntagmatos sth dhmokratia mas. Oson afora th dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti einai toylaxiston lyphrh, doqentos oti oloi oi polites se ayth th xwra, idiaiterws oi politikoi, qa prepei na kanoyme kaqe prospaqeia -ayto einai epibeblhmeno kai aytonohto- gia na perifroyroyme toys qesmoys kai toys foreis toys, me koryfaio ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

GARGALAKOS: Paroti h parembash toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias htan katalytikh sto qema twn taytothtwn, shmera kai kapoioi logoi toy Arxiepiskopoy, alla kai h parembash toy epitimoy Proedroy, synexizoyn na synthroyn thn ojythta gyrw apo ayth thn ypoqesh. Eseis ws kybernhsh, pisteyete oti h ypoqesh ayth mporei na qewrhqei oti bainei pros ektonwsh; Kai ti kinhseis prokeitai na kanei h kybernhsh, an exei na kanei, pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, wste pragmati na ektonwqei h entash poy exei dhmioyrghqei kai na mpei telos sto dixasmo poy exei parathrhqei mesa sthn ellhnikh koinwnia.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h kybernhsh kineitai me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras kai to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. H politikh poy akoloyqhse h kybernhsh einai orqh. H politikh ayth, opws anagnwrise kai to StE, exei pleon kai th nomikh egkyrothta poy den epitrepei se opoiondhpote na amfisbhtei ayth thn politikh h na epidiwkei thn allagh kai anatroph ths. Ayto to opoio h kybernhsh anamenei einai mia epikoinwnia kai syzhthsh gia shmantika qemata koinoy endiaferontos me toys ekproswpoys ths Ekklhsias, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn apofaseis kai oi antistoixes prwtoboylies ston tomea ayto. Sta qemata ayta, bebaiws, den mporei na perilambanetai to sygkekrimeno qema poy afora thn ekdosh twn astynomikwn deltiwn taytothtwn. Einai ena qema poy den prepei, pleon, na mas apasxolei. Allwste, to qema ayto einai apokleistikhs armodiothtas ths Politeias kai afora stoixeia poy den einai dynato na apotelesoyn antikeimeno dialogoy. Giati, o sebasmos twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn den mporei na einai antikeimeno dialogoy, diapragmateysewn h dhmochfismatwn, prepei na einai apolytos. Na einai enas sebasmos poy na afora to synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras kai oxi mia omada politwn. Kata ta alla, pisteyoyme oti qa yparjei nhfaliothta, aytosygkrathsh kai cyxraimia. H kybernhsh oydepote epixeirhse na qijei thn Ekklhsia h na yponomeysei ton koinwniko kai pneymatiko rolo ths. H kybernhsh yperaspizetai ajies kai agaqa. Yperaspizetai ta dikaiwmata twn politwn kai th Dhmokratia sth xwra mas. Kai ayto, h kybernhsh qa to kanei me tropo ametakinhto. Pisteyw oti se ayto symfwnoyme oloi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy peite, ean symmerizetai h kybernhsh apoceis poy arxisan hdh na diatypwnontai, alla kai sxetika dhmosieymata anaferoyn, oti h xqesinh anakoinwsh ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias einai mhnyma kai pros th Rhgillhs, alla kai pros alles kateyqynseis.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h anakoinwsh ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias, h qesh dhladh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, den mporei na tyxei sxoliasmoy apo th dikh mas pleyra. Oyte mporei na eklhfqei apo opoiondhpote ws qesh, h opoia prosetairizetai ena tmhma ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras mas h strefetai enantion enos alloy tmhmatos ths. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai yperanw twn politikwn kommatwn. Den einai kommatarxhs. Lypoymai na pw, omws -mias kai xrhsimopoihsate ayth th lejh- oti to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs epixeirhse na ekqesei thn Ekklhsia kai toys Ierarxes kai na metatrecei ayto ton pneymatiko qesmo se ena eidos kommatikoy ejarthmatos ths. Na metatrecei toys leitoyrgoys ths Ekklhsias se kommatarxes ths. H N.D., me kairoskopiko tropo, dhmagwgikh pros toys polites kai ypokritikh pros toys qrhskeyomenoys, apofeygei na parei sygkekrimenh, safh kai ypeyqynh qesh, oson afora to qema toy dhmochfismatos, para to oti pros thn kateyqynsh ayth kinhqhkan o hgeths kai ta stelexh ths poy ypegracan to sxetiko keimeno. Epishs, apofeygei na parei qesh, oson afora to sebasmo ths apofashs toy StE, paramenontas se ena khrygma kata ths nomimothtas, to opoio -epanalambanw- qa prepei na apotelesei enan arnhtiko symbolismo gia thn politikh zwh ths xwras. Ena symbolismo poy xrewnetai sth N.D., giati tetoioy eidoys qeseis kai dhlwseis den pernoyn aparathrhtes. Kai prepei gi` ayta ta qemata na eimaste oloi poly prosextikoi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ektimate oti exei labei to mhnyma h N.D., meta tis xqesines ejelijeis;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h N.D. pairnei to mhnyma thn katallhlh stigmh apo ton ellhniko lao. O ellhnikos laos einai aytos poy frontizei na mas stelnei ta katallhla mhnymata. Emeis, mexri twra toylaxiston, den exoyme logo na paraponoymaste gia ta mhnymata poy mas exei steilei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: H kybernhsh epikrotei h apodokimazei tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Shfoynakh, anaforika me ton k. Xristodoylo;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta h kybernhsh exei diatypwsei me safhneia to plaisio twn qesewn ths. Otidhpote kineitai ejw apo ayto to plaisio, den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh.

EYSTAQIOY: Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia to shmerino khrygma toy Arxiepiskopoy, poy epanhlqe stis pagies qeseis toy kai oysiastika afhse kai aixmes enantion toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias; Kai ena deytero erwthma einai gia tis podosfairikes omades. H kybernhsh toy PASOK epi Andrea Papandreoy, eixe kanei kai mia ryqmish gia to qema toy Olympiakoy epi Koskwta, kai pragmati kai tote eixan xaristei ena swro lefta.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti to nomosxedio ayto qa syzhthqei sth Boylh. Oles oi ryqmiseis poy qa apofasisei h Boylh qa ginoyn me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, prepei na einai safes oti: Den mas aforoyn tetoioy eidoys sxolia. Kai bebaiws, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, ajizei na ypenqymisw ayth th stigmh, oti h yperchfish toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, me toso megalo pososto chfwn apo thn ellhnikh Boylh, apotelei mia istorikh katagrafh yper ths Dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sxetika me tis dhlwseis toy k. Shfoynakh. Eseis kanete sxolia gia toys alloys poy kanoyn dhlwseis, opws toy k. Mhtsotakh h ths N.D., xwris na erwthqeite, alla gi` aytoys toys xarakthrismoys na leei enas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs "agyrth", "qeopaikth" , "hqopoio" kai "xoyntiko" ton Prokaqhmeno ths Ekklhsias, den sas enoxlei kaqoloy;

REPPAS: O k. Shfoynakhs miloyse qewrhtikws...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qewrhtiko einai na ton les "qeopaikth" ton allon kai "agyrth";

REPPAS: Giati me diakoptete kai giati enoxleiste toso poly;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den teleiwsa thn erwthsh. Einai swsto enas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs na bgainei kai na kataferetai me aytoys toys xarakthrismoys enantion toy Prokaqhmenoy ths Ekklhsias;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h anafora ayth toy k. Shfoynakh egine kata tropo qewrhtiko kai egine se sxesh me politikoys, oxi me alloys paragontes. En pash periptwsei, omws, ekana dyo sxolia prin, apantwntas se erwthseis, poy pisteyw oti katesthsan akomh pio safh th qesh mas. Eipa oti emeis oydepote epidiwjame na qijoyme thn Ekklhsia ston koinwniko kai pneymatiko rolo ths kai oti oydepote exoyme probei h probainoyme se proswpikoys xarakthrismoys. Eipa epishs, oti exoyme ekfrasei me safhneia th qesh mas: O,ti kineitai ejw apo ayto to plaisio, den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Shfoynakhs paramenei ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, meta apo ayta poy eipe;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy gnwrizete, gi` ayto den prepei na rwtate.

ANTYPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei xarakthrisei thn periodo poy dianyoyme krisimh, dedomenoy oti o idios exei dhlwsei dyo fores pleon se dyo E. G. oti oi qeseis poy qa prokycoyn apo to Synedrio den synistoyn kybernhtiko programma kai xqes to E.G. apofasise na fygei kai to Katastatiko apo ta epimaxa qemata toy Synedrioy. Mhpws qa prepei na ginoyn kapoies idiaiteres skeceis gia th diejagwgh toy se mia toso krisimh politikh periodo, efoson den qa afora oyte thn akoloyqoymenh politikh, alla oyte kai to Katastatiko;

REPPAS: Antiqetws, epibebaiwnetai h ajia kai h shmasia ths epiloghs gia thn epispeysh toy Synedrioy toy Kinhmatos mas. Para to oti den prepei na ypeiselqoyme se qemata poy aforoyn thn kommatikh leitoyrgia sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs, arkoymai na pw -epikaloymenos th dhlwsh poy ekane xqes o Prwqypoyrgos- oti to prwteyon einai h politikh, den einai to Katastatiko. Kai gnwrizete oti to Synedrio den ginetai gia to Katastatiko. Oyte otan elhfqh h apofash gia thn epispeysh toy Synedrioy egine anafora se otidhpote sxetizetai me to Katastatiko. Oles oi anafores sxetizontai me thn politikh poy prepei na akoloyqhsoyme sto mellon, prokeimenoy na beltiwsoyme thn apodosh mas kai na antapokriqoyme stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy kai mono se ayto. Den nomizw oti ton ellhniko lao ton aforoyn toso oi eswterikes leitoyrgies mas, oso ton afora o tropos me ton opoio ergazetai h kybernhsh mas, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy ton apasxoloyn.

ANTYPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos jekaqarise oti oi politikes qeseis aforoyn th ideologikopolitikh taytothta toy PASOK. Htan anagkh se mia toso krisimh periodo, opws leei h kybernhsh, na jekaqaristei h fysiognwmia toy kommatos; Qa mporoyse na ginei kai en eyqetw xronw.

REPPAS: Otan diapistwnetai apo kapoioys oti ston tomea ayto yparxoyn problhmata kai asafeies, yparxoyn qemata poy prepei na ta antimetwpisoyme, kalo einai na ta antimetwpisoyme amesws, prokeimenoy etsi na mpoyme se mia nea periodo, xwris aytes tis epibarynseis, xwris aytes tis ekkremothtes.

ARGYROS: Den einai mia antifash otan toys prohgoymenes mhnes egine mia megalh syzhthsh apo kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh gia thn anagkh allagwn sto PASOK, telika na apofasizoyn xqes na mhn yparjei allagh sto Katastatiko;

REPPAS: Apo th dikh mas pleyra, den yparxei kamia antifash. Qa epanalabw mia frash poy eipa apo thn prwth stigmh kai polles fores apo tote: To Synedrio einai koinwnikh diergasia, den einai kommatikh diadikasia. Ayto ta leei ola.

KOYIN: Ayto shmainei oti desmeyetai akomh h kybernhsh apo tis apofaseis ths K.E.,;

REPPAS: Se poio qema;

KOYIN: Se genikes grammes kai gia thn oikonomikh politikh. Apo o,ti qymamai h K.E. eixe bgalei ena plaisio...

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei, kat` epanalhch, gia to eklogiko programma toy PASOK, basei toy opoioy labame thn entolh apo ton ellhniko lao na kybernhsoyme. Exoyme, loipon, programma diakybernhshs ths xwras. Sto plaisio askhshs ths politikhs gia thn efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos, opoy diapistwnetai oti prepei na proboyme se prosarmoges, se beltiwseis kai allages, qa to kanoyme sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy qa ginoyn se ayto to Synedrio.

MPOTWNHS: Me aformh to qanato toy nearoy sta Xania, o pateras toy paidioy zhta synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Phge kai sto Megaro Majimoy, xqes to prwi. Kai apo o,ti exw plhroforhqei exei kanei mhnysh ston k. Pagkalo. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Aqlhtikh einai h erwthsh. Epeidh anaferqhkame sto gegonos, ayth h ryqmish poy qelei na perasei o k. Benizelos, afora tis KAE, PAOK kai Arh. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, mhpws prosanatolizetai h kybernhsh na perasei nomosxedio gia ryqmish xrewn twn podosfairikwn PAE ;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to nomosxedio ayto qa syzhthqei sth Boylh. Ekei mporei na ypostei polles allages kai beltiwseis, an ayto apofasisoyn oi boyleytes. Einai poly prowro na poyme emeis otidhpote allo twra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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