Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-08-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Aygoystoy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: Prin apo ligh wra o k. Mhtsotakhs, anaferomenos sto qema twn taytothtwn, eipe -oyte ligo, oyte poly- oti h stash ths kybernhshs synista baria syntagmatikh anwmalia. Dhlwse, epishs, oti prepei na allajei o nomos kai na ferei to qema h kybernhsh sth Boylh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Syntagmatikh anwmalia qa htan na analhfqei prwtoboylia, apo opoiadhpote pleyra, oxi mono apo thn kybernhsh, sthn kateyqynsh allaghs toy isxyontos nomikoy plaisioy, me dedomenh thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, me poly safh tropo anaferei oti einai antisyntagmatikh kai mh nomimh akomh kai h proairetikh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes. H politikh antiparaqesh dikaiologei th xrhsimopoihsh xarakthrismwn, kataggeliwn poy polles fores jepernoyn to metro. Otan, omws, anaferomaste se ena qema to opoio den mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno politikhs kai kommatikhs antiparaqeshs, ena qema poy afora thn prostasia twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn, kalo einai na apofeygoyme tetoioy eidoys xarakthrismoys. H kritikh ayth den exei qesh, giati ta dikaiwmata twn politwn prepei na ginontai sebasta apo oloys toys politikoys, apo ola ta politika kommata. Kai ta dikaiwmata twn politwn aforoyn to synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras, oxi mia kathgoria politwn poy anhkei peristasiaka se mia omada, h opoia, kata mia ekdoxh, einai pleiochfikh. Ta dikaiwmata twn politwn anaferontai se oloys toys polites ths xwras kai oxi mono se mia omada politwn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Arxiepiskopos proxwrhse se enan poly sygkekrimeno xarakthrismo, milhse gia thn "xristianikh ellhnikh politeia". Qa qelame thn epishmh antidrash ths kybernhshs kai to sxolio sas se ayth thn topoqethsh kai an ayto synista ypodeijh gia to xarakthra toy politeymatos.

REPPAS: H Ellada anagnwrizetai kai anaferetai dieqnws ws Ellhnikh Dhmokratia. Antilambaneste oti oi xarakthrismoi aytoi mas odhgoyn se atrapoys poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me to dhmokratiko politeyma kai kalo einai na apofeygontai. En pash periptwsei, an ginei kati tetoio dekto, shmainei oti h Ellada payei na einai Dhmokratia, einai kaqestws qeokratiko, to opoio den exei kamia sxesh me ayta poy to Syntagma kai oi nomoi toy kratoys perilambanoyn. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me osa diakhryssoyn ta politika kommata, akomh kai h hgesia ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, h opoia omnyei sto onoma ths Dhmokratias. Sthn prajh omws, otan xrhsimopoioyntai tetoioi xarakthrismoi h epilegontai tetoioi orismoi gia na problhqoyn oi qeseis ths Ekklhsias antilambaneste oti to elaxisto poy ginetai einai na dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis kai sygxyseis poy kai aytes einai epizhmies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na sxoliasete th dhlwsh toy k. Papaqemelh poy anaferei oti "h kybernhsh exei proapofasisei thn aytoktonia ths". Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei epilejei na kineitai me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras kai twn politwn. H kybernhsh askei ta kaqhkonta ths, xwris na aixmalwtizetai apo to proskairo politiko kostos. Xwris na antilambanetai oti ayto poy prepei na protassei einai h antirrhsh poy mporei na diatypwnetai apo kapoioys foreis gia kapoio qema. Giati ayto to opoio afora thn kybernhsh, to eqnos, ton ellhniko lao einai mia safhs qesh gia thn poreia ths xwras pros to mellon, gia th symmetoxh ths stis dieqneis ejelijeis, gia mia Ellada h opoia exei isxyrh dieqnh paroysia. Pisteyw oti oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi sthn Ellada leitoyrgoyn oysiastika kai apotelesmatika. Den epitrepoyn se opoiondhpote na amfisbhtei to endiaferon kai to xreos ths kybernhshs na kineitai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Kai, bebaiws, sto plaisio ayto h kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti prepei, wste sebomenh ayto to plaisio na antapokriqei sthn proklhsh twn kairwn, na ektelesei thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, na ajiopoihsei tis dynatothtes kai tis proypoqeseis poy exei gia na anabaqmisei thn poiothta zwhs twn politwn. H kybernhsh kerdizei, giati deixnei oti exei safh qesh kai safh politikh gia to mellon ths xwras. Se teleytaia analysh, etsi kerdizei h xwra. Antiqetws, alloi einai ekeinoi poy den exoyn safh qesh. H Ekklhsia, fer` eipein, mexri ayth th stigmh poy syzhtoyme, den exei apeyqynqei ston armodio ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn, prokeimenoy na zhthsei synanthsh, thn wra poy exei zhthsei synanthseis apo diaforoys alloys politeiakoys kai politikoys paragontes. Opws, epishs, h Nea Dhmokratia den exei safh qesh. H N.D., enw einai dedomenh h apofash toy StE, epimenei sthn anazhthsh lyshs sth bash ths proairetikothtas, opws anaferoyn h hgesia kai ta stelexh ths. Prepei na dieykrinisei ti akribws ennoei. Giati apotelei oionei khrygma kata ths nomimothtas to na amfisbhtei thn apofash toy StE. Epishs, me dedomenh thn ypografh toy Arxhgoy kai twn allwn stelexwn ths, sto keimeno poy proteine h Ekklhsia gia thn aithsh dienergeias dhmochfismatos, h N.D. prepei na jekaqarisei th qesh ths: An, dhladh, epimenei sth dienergeia dhmochfismatos gia to qema ayto. H N.D. siwpa, allazei qesh, den exei politikh h h politikh ths mporei na xarakthristei ws anemomylos. Antilambaneste ti qa symbei se ayth th xwra an ws pyjida gia to mellon ths xrhsimopoiei enan anemomylo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den katalabate tis xqesines kai tis proxqesines dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias poy milaei gia proairetikothta; Ti lete oti den exei qesh;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti an epimenei se ayth th qesh, ayto apotelei khrygma kata ths nomimothtas, afoy -opws antilambaneste -h apofash toy StE einai safhs. Mia tetoia qesh gia proairetikh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes, dedomenoy oti to qrhskeyma apotelei eyaisqhto proswpiko dedomeno, einai prajh antisyntagmatikh kai mh nomimh. Ayto prepei na to sebastei kai h Nea Dhmokratia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate. Egw sas rwthsa gia ton k. Papaqemelh kai moy apanthsate gia th N.D.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa me ton tropo ton opoio egw qewrw swsto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia th N.D. moy apanthsate. O k. Papaqemelhs leei oti aytoktonhse h kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Den filodojw na diatypwnw dikes sas erwthseis. Mh filodojeite na diatypwnete tis dikes moy apanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas rwthsa gia ton k. Papaqemelh kai moy lete gia th N.D. Gia ton k. Papaqemelh qa moy apanthsete;

REPPAS: Blepw mia enoxlhsh sthn apanthsh poy edwsa. Giati enoxleiste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den enoxloymai.

REPPAS: Me megalh xara akoysa thn erwthsh sas kai perimena, estw apo logoys eygeneias, na ekfrasete xara gia thn anaptygmenh apanthsh poy sas edwsa. Ayto deixnei oti sas timw proswpika, dinontas toso megalh shmasia kai baros sthn erwthsh poy kanate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla sas rwtw kai pali. O k. Papaqemelhs leei oti aytoktonhse h kybernhsh me ayth thn prajh ths. Eseis ti apantate;

REPPAS: Apanthsa oti h kybernhsh kerdizei, epeidh exei safh politikh gia to mellon ths xwras. Ayto to antilambanontai oi polites kai empisteyontai panta mia politikh paratajh poy exei sygkekrimeno programma kai safeis qeseis gia thn poreia ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy, pragma poy den symbainei me alla politika kommata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To antilambanontai, dhladh, oi polites kai den to antilambanetai o k. Papaqemelhs;

REPPAS: Kaqenas exei tis dikes toy apoceis. Gi` ayto, akribws, mas krinei oloys o ellhnikos laos. Gnwrizete oti askoyme ta kybernhtika kaqhkonta mas me thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den eimaste isobioi. Krinomaste se takta xronika diasthmata kai ayto einai to xarisma kai to pronomio twn politikwn, se sxesh me polloys alloys paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy.

KOYIN: Xqes to KKE eipe oti, mhpws einai kalos o kairos twra na yparjoyn skeceis gia to diaxwrismo Ekklhsias-kratoys. Qa hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh exei kanei kaqoloy tetoies skeceis;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto den yfistatai, afoy molis prosfata chfisthke to anaqewrhmeno Syntagma ths xwras. Den antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, poso sebetai h kybernhsh tis apofaseis toy StE. Gia paradeigma, ti kanei h kybernhsh gia ta epidomata;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oles oi apofaseis toy StE poy exoyn ekdoqei ginontai sebastes kai sto plaisio aytwn twn apofasewn to kratos, h Politeia, h kybernhsh analambanei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na enarmonisei thn politikh ths sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy StE. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, exoyme pei kat` epanalhch oti apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs to plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai gia to neo eniaio misqologio. Kai sto plaisio toy neoy misqologioy qa antimetwpistei kai to qema twn epidomatwn. Ara, loipon, h prospaqeia gia th symmorfwsh h enarmonish pros tis apofaseis toy StE einai systhmatikh kai ginetai panta apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Eida kai egw shmera sxetika dhmosieymata kai aporw. Ma, pantote, otan ekdidontai apofaseis toy StE, arxizei mia diadikasia apo thn pleyra ths Politeias, ths kybernhshs sygkekrimena, prokeimenoy na symmorfwsoyme thn politikh mas sto plaisio poy orizoyn oi apofaseis toy Anwtatoy Dioikhtikoy Dikasthrioy ths xwras.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den qa mporoyse kai sthn periptwsh ayth na arxisei mia syzhthsh gia ta epidomata, alla kai sto sygkekrimeno qema; Alla edw, den kanete kanena dialogo, apla epikaleiste synexws thn apofash toy StE oti to qema ayto exei kleisei.

REPPAS: Ma, h apofash toy StE gia tis taytothtes epikyrwnei th qesh ths kybernhshs. Ara, den exoyme logo na kanoyme otidhpote allo, peran twn oswn kaname mexri twra. Ayto to zhthma einai teleiws diaforetiko apo ayto poy qesate eseis me thn erwthsh sas. Oson afora twra thn ajia toy dialogoy, thn opoia oloi anagnwrizoyme kai einai stoixeio ths fysiologias sth leitoyrgia ths dhmokratias, prepei na pw, gia mia akomh fora, oti oi ekproswpoi ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas den exoyn apeyqynqei ews ayth th stigmh ston armodio ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn, prokeimenoy na zhthsoyn synanthsh gia na syzhthsoyn to qema ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxei aithma, omws, gia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios arnhqhke.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti pragmati zhthqhke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na synanthsei thn epitroph twn Mhtropolitwn poy asxoloyntai me to qema ayto. Ypodeixqhke oti h synanthsh ayth se epipedo Mhtropolitwn, ekproswpwn ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas qa prepei na ginei me ton armodio ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. H kybernhsh ekproswpeitai me ton armodio ypoyrgo. H Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias epifylaxqhke na apanthsei gia th synanthsh ayth kai mexri shmera den exei ekdhlwsei opoiadhpote antidrash, zhtwntas ayth th synanthsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Kai ayto, einai ena qema poy prokalei aporia, otan ginetai tetoia kai tosh epiklhsh ths anagkhs gia dialogo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti epeidh epikyrwnei, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, thn kybernhtikh apofash to StE, ola kala. Otan den epikyrwnei omws exoyme alles diadikasies apo o,ti katalaba h kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Otan den epikyrwnei to StE tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs, tote h kybernhsh analambanei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na enarmonisei kai na symmorfwsei thn politikh ths me to plaisio twn apofasewn toy StE. Ayto ginetai se oles ti periptwseis.

KONTOPOYLOS: An, dhladh, th synanthsh th zhtoyse o Arxiepiskopos kai oxi h epitroph twn Mhtropolitwn, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexotan amesa na kanei mia synanthsh me ton k. Xristodoylo;

REPPAS: Apanthsa proxqes se ayto.

KONTOPOYLOS: To lew, giati shmera o k. Xristodoylos phge ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias na kataqesei kai epishma ayto poy eixe ejaggeilei xqes, tis ypografes kai to aithma gia dhmochfisma. To qema, loipon, paramenei sthn epikairothta. O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, ean o k. Xristodoylos toy zhthsei meta th synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias na synanthqoyn oi dyo toys qa ton dexqei h qa ton parapemcei pali ston k. Eyqymioy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa proxqes gi` ayto. Eipa oti den exei diatypwqei tetoio aithma. Se mia tetoia periptwsh, bebaiws, o Prwqypoyrgos qa orisei sto programma toy synanthsh me ton Arxiepiskopo. Ayths ths synanthshs qa prepei na prohghqei h synennohsh ekproswpwn ths kybernhshs, sygkekrimena toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn kai ekproswpwn ths Ekklhsias, prokeimenoy na katartistei h atzenta twn qematwn poy qa apasxolhsoyn toys dyo paragontes sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs kai syzhthshs toys. Alla ayto, ayth thn wra, exei qewrhtikh shmasia. Den ajizei, isws, na to syzhtoyme, afoy den exei diatypwqei analogo aithma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H epitroph ayth twn Ierarxwn blepei toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn kai o k. Shmiths einai kai arxhgos kommatos kai Prwqypoyrgos. Dhladh, o k. Eyqymioy einai anaplhrwths toy Proedroy toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Den exoyn apeyqynqei sto PASOK. Qa mporoyse na synanthsei thn epitroph twn Mhtropolitwn, ean eixe diatypwqei tetoio aithma, o grammateas ths K.E. toy PASOK h allos ekproswpos toy Kinhmatos, o opoios, milwntas ek meroys toy Kinhmatos, qa mporoyse na syzhthsei me toys ekproswpoys ths Ekklhsias to qema gia to opoio oi idioi oi ekproswpoi ths Ekklhsias qa eixan zhthsei th synanthsh ayth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oyte ws Proedros toy PASOK mporei na toys dextei o k. Shmiths.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To lew giati olo parapompes kanete.

REPPAS: Kamia parapomph. H kybernhsh, opws kai to Kinhma mas exoyn diarqrwmenes leitoyrgies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ean zhthsei ton Proedro toy PASOK qa paei sto Skandalidh, an zhthsei ton Prwqypoyrgo qa paei ston Eyqymioy. Ayto lete.

REPPAS: Aporw giati aporeite. Sas kanei entypwsh oti toso h kybernhsh mas, oso kai to Kinhma mas exoyn dhmokratikes, syllogikes leitoyrgies;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kamia.

REPPAS: Exoyn drasthriothtes me toso diarqrwmeno tropo, poy ola ta stelexh ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos exoyn to diko toys rolo. Ayto den einai diakosmhtiko stoixeio, einai leitoyrgiko kai prepei kaqe fora na ajiopoieitai.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh, polles fores exete milhsei ki eseis kai oloi oi kybernhtikoi paragontes kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs se polla qemata, qa hqela na rwthsw, hqika h kybernhsh apenanti se ayta ta 3.000.000 polites poy ypegracan sto atypo ayto dhmochfisma, ti prepei na toys pei; Aisqanetai thn anagkh na toys pei kati;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h kybernhsh niwqei oti exei xreos apenanti sto synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras. Exei xreos na prostateysei ta eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena toys, na sebastei ta atomika dikaiwmata toys. To xreos ths kybernhshs den afora toys polites poy ypegracan ayto to keimeno, to opoio proteine h Ekklhsia. H hqikh ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs anaferetai sto synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras, twn opoiwn ta dikaiwmata prepei na prostateysoyme. Kai se teleytaia analysh qetw ki ena erwthma me aformh th dikh sas erwthsh: An h Ekklhsia epikaleitai ton ariqmo twn ypografwn poy exoyn syllexqei ws ekdhlwsh politikoy fronhmatos, tote omologei oti analambanei politiko rolo, para ta osa antiqeta peri aytoy lene oi ekproswpoi ths. An antilambanetai ton ariqmo twn ypografwn poy exoyn syllexqei ws ekfrash qrhskeytikhs pepoiqhshs, tote pros ti ayth h skopimh sygxysh, metajy ypografwn kai chfwn; Pros ti ginetai ayth h sygkrish metajy dyo megeqwn poy einai apolytws anomoia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Allh htan h erwthsh.

REPPAS: Ayth htan h erwthsh sas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den htan ayth h erwthsh.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den yparxoyn se ayth th xwra ta 3.000.000 twn politwn, yparxei to synolo twn politwn apenanti stoys opoioys exoyme sygkekrimenh hqikh ypoxrewsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Hqikh ypoxrewsh exei h kybernhsh na dwsei mia apanthsh se ayta ta 3.000.000 polites, oi opoioi exoyn ypogracei tis sygkekrimenes dhlwseis.

REPPAS: Exoyme hqikh ypoxrewsh na dwsoyme apanthsh sto synolo twn politwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ti toys lete;

REPPAS: Exoyme hqikh ypoxrewsh apenanti kai ston teleytaio polith ayths ths xwras, toy opoioy ta dikaiwmata ofeiloyme na prostateysoyme. Giati ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn den ypokeintai stoys kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Tote, giati o Prwqypoyrgos den eixe enhmerwsei proeklogika oti protiqetai na kanei kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Ma, o nomos gia thn Prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn eixe chfistei kata thn prohgoymenh koinoboyleytikh periodo. Hrqe h wra na efarmostei ayto to plaisio gia thn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn. O nomos chfisthke to 1997. H Anejarthth Arxh energopoihse tis sxetikes diadikasies. Oloi anagnwrizoyn oti to qrhskeyma einai ena eyaisqhto proswpiko dedomeno. H kybernhsh meta apo ayto elabe th qesh oti ws eyaisqhto proswpiko dedomeno den mporei na periexetai se ena dhmosio eggrafo, to opoio den exei allh apostolh apo to na dieykolynei ton polith stis synallages toy me to kratos, na dieykolynei thn anagnwrish ths taytothtas, twn ejwterikwn, dhladh, stoixeiwn toy polith. Meta apo ayto exoyme thn apofash toy StE -thn opoia agnooyn h N.D. alla kai oi ekproswpoi ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas- poy ekrine ws nomika orqh thn progenestera lhfqeisa, politika orqh, epilogh ths kybernhshs.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish anaforika me thn endexomenh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Xristodoylo. Eipate oti qa prohghqei syzhthsh gia thn katartish atzentas. Paramenete sth qesh oti to qema twn taytothtwn den mporei na perilhfqei sta qemata syzhthshs;

REPPAS: Paramenoyme sth qesh poy diatypwsa proxqes. Einai h idia qesh poy epanelaba shmera, akribws etsi opws to eipate ki eseis. Giati to qema ayto afora thn Politeia kai mono aythn. Einai apokleistikh armodiothta ths Politeias to qema ths prostasias twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Kai se ayto den mporei na xwresei opoiadhpote syzhthsh. Den einai qema poy prosferetai gia peraiterw syzhthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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