Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-05-15

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Maioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: O arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, kritikarontas thn teleytaia taktikh toy Prwqypoyrgoy toy apedwse diaforoys xarakthrismoys kai metajy twn allwn ton kathgorhse gia politiko jepesmo. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs exei symferon na synthrei kai na kalliergei thn ojythta sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras. Einai gnwsto oti epididetai se proswpikes ybristikes kai sykofantikes epiqeseis enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy. To kanei ayto gia sygkekrimeno logo, giati etsi epixeirei na kalycei thn pantelh elleich programmatos kai qesewn toy kommatos toy gia ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites. Emeis, opws panta, etsi kai twra kai sto mellon, proxwroyme se mia politikh programmatikh antiparaqesh me th N.D. kai ta alla kommata. Ayto einai stoixeio toy dhmokratikoy dialogoy se mia koinwnia. Pisteyw oti ayto exoyn ypoxrewsh na kanoyn ola ta kommata: Na anadeijoyn tis qeseis toys, na probaloyn ta programmata toys. Otan, bebaiws, steroyntai programmatos syxna epididontai se tetoioy eidoys frastikes ojytates epiqeseis enantion twn antipalwn toys se proswpiko epipedo. Ayto kanei o k. Karamanlhs kai oi logoi einai profaneis.

KARGOYDH: Dedomenhs ths genikoterhs epifylaktikothtas ths pleiochfias twn eyrwpaikwn kratwn gia thn anadeijh Mperloyskoni sth nea kybernhsh ths Italias qa hqela thn ellhnikh qesh.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h qesh toy kyriarxoy laoy se mia xwra prepei na ginetai sebasth apo oles tis alles xwres. O kyriarxos italikos laos apofasise. Bebaiws, epiqymoyme to programma ths neas italikhs kybernhshs na einai tetoio, wste na eynoei thn peraiterw qetikh symbolh ths Italias stis eyrwpaikes ejelijeis, opws epishs eyelpistoyme oti oi sxeseis mas se dimeres epipedo, se epipedo analhchs prwtoboyliwn metajy twn dyo xwrwn, qa parameinoyn to idio kales h kai qa beltiwqoyn. H Italia einai mia megalh xwra ths E.E. poy diadramatizei dieqnh rolo. Pisteyoyme oti h nea kybernhsh qa entaxqei me to programma ths kai thn politikh poy qa askhsei sth dieqnh oikogeneia me tetoio tropo, wste na symballei sthn peraiterw proodo twn kratwn kai twn lawn.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h epistolh poy qa steilei o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Mperloyskoni qa einai mia aplh typikh epistolh h qa exei kai to periexomeno poy mas ekfrasate edw.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den einai dynato na milhsoyme gia to periexomeno mias epistolhs prin ayth stalei. Oloi oi hgetes, sto plaisio mias diadikasias poy einai gnwsth kai akoloyqeitai se aytes tis periptwseis, ekfrazoyn ta sygxarhthria kai tis eyxes toys se ena neo synadelfo. Ayto qa ginei kai apo th dikh mas pleyra.

KAPPOS: H deyterh erwthsh einai an h kybernhsh qewrei oti h legomenh metarryqmish sto swfronistiko systhma ths Toyrkias, h opoia mexri twra exei apodwsei kapoies dekades nekroys, kineitai pros th swsth kateyqynsh.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete oti shmantiko stoixeio sto plaisio ths etairikhs sxeshs E.E.-Toyrkias einai kai oi allages poy prepei na ginoyn sto swfronistiko systhma ths geitonikhs xwras. Oi allages aytes exoyn jekinhsei. Bebaiws, qa prepei na ginoyn me taxyteroys ryqmoys. Den mporei kaneis na einai ikanopoihmenos me thn katastash poy epikratei shmera, oxi mono stis toyrkikes fylakes, alla sthn toyrkikh koinwnia. Qa prepei na ginoyn megales dhmokratikes allages, prokeimenoy h Toyrkia na antapokriqei se ayth thn proklhsh. H E.E. parakoloyqei, opws kai emeis, me endiaferon aytes tis ejelijeis. Gnwrizete oti, pleon, h Toyrkia ajiologeitai kai krinetai, analogws ths proodoy poy synteleitai se diaforoys tomeis kai sto sygkekrimeno. Den einai dynato, loipon, na meinei apaqhs h Dieqnhs Koinothtas gia thn katastash poy epikratei shmera stis toyrkikes fylakes. Apo thn allh, enqarrynei kai piezei, an qelete, thn Toyrkia na proxwrhsei stis anagkaies dhmokratikes allages. Apo thn proodo aytwn twn allagwn qa kriqei synolika h poreia ths xwras ayths.

KAPPOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti h qesh toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn ths E.E. den htan akribws ayth. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean...

REPPAS: Einai apolytws ayth. Qa prepei na plhroforhqeite, oxi apo ta opoia dhmosieymata, alla apo thn topoqethsh toy k. Papandreoy, th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai ayth akribws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti "oi allages exoyn jekinhsei". Ti ennoeite, oi allages exoyn jekinhsei; Ta leyka kelia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti sthn Toyrkia exoyn apofasistei allages sto swfronistiko systhma. Epishs, gnwrizete oti exoyn symfwnhsei oi dyo pleyres -gia na meinw se ena qema poy exei endiaferon gia mas- na kyrwsoyn th symfwnia gia thn aposyrsh narkwn kata toy proswpikoy, opws problepetai sth symbash ths Otabas. Ayta, einai stoixeia ta opoia deixnoyn oti mporei na yparjoyn qetikes ejelijeis. Alla, enapokeitai sthn idia thn Toyrkia, sthn hgesia ths, na epitaxynei aytes tis ejelijeis. Mexri twra den to exei kanei me ikanopoihtiko tropo. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti einai monodromos gia thn Toyrkia ayth h poreia. Prepei na antapokriqei se ayth thn proklhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: KYSEA qa ginei meqayrio;

REPPAS: Eipa oti gia to qema ayto qa sas enhmerwsw ayrio, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrize oti o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Xristodoylakhs, se ena arqro toy, mazi me ton kaqhghth k. Kollintza, yposthrizei ayta ta opoia htan grammena sto site ths N.D.;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia to qema ayto exoyn katateqei diafores apoceis. Mhn prospaqeite na metaqesete alloy to problhma. To problhma ths N.D. einai sygkekrimeno, giati sthn epishmh selida toy kommatos sto diadiktyo, yioqethse politikes qeseis kai protaseis, oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me ayto to opoio isxyrizetai shmera h N.D. oti apotelei thn politikh ths. Ara, mporoyme na milame gia to proswpeio me to opoio emfanizetai shmera h N.D., katw apo to opoio krybetai to pragmatiko proswpo ths, opws ayto apotypwqhke kai ekfrasthke stis selides toy diadiktyoy, me aformh tis protaseis gia to asfalistiko zhthma, alla kai thn oikonomia genikotera. Kata ta alla, gnwrizete oti h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs gia to qema ayto, einai apokrystallwmenh. Anamenoyme, thn epomenh periodo, thn enarjh toy koinwnikoy dialogoy, opoy oloi oi foreis me aisqhma eyqynhs qa kataqesoyn tis apoceis toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Xristodoylakhs se ayto to arqro toy leei oti yphrje anaptyjh poly grhgora, thn periodo 1960-80. O Prwqypoyrgos leei to antiqeto.

REPPAS: Ola ayta exoyn apanthqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto den exei apanthqei. To jerate; Pote to apanthsate;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na synektimhqei h anaptyjiakh poreia, oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs me th qesmikh organwsh ths koinwnias, me th dynatothta twn syndikatwn na leitoyrgoyn kai na ekfrazoyn eleyqera ta aithmata toys, me th dynatothta twn politwn na diadhlwnoyn, na proballoyn tis qeseis toys, xwris na diatrexoyn kindyno, epeidh akribws ekfrazoyn tis pepoiqhseis toys kai mono. Qa prepei, epishs, na synektimhqei kai enas allos poly shmantikos paragontas, h erhmwsh ths ypaiqroy, h metafora fqhnwn ergatikwn xeriwn sta astika kentra, gi aytoys toys logoys. Shmera, eimaste se mia teleiws diaforetikh stigmh. H pragmatikothta einai poly diaforetikh. Den epiqymoyme na gyrisoyme se ekeinh thn periodo poy isxyan ola ayta gia ta opoia milhsa prin. Qeloyme eleyqeria, qeloyme syndikata poy na mporoyn na leitoyrgoyn dhmokratika, oi polites na mporoyn na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys kai bebaiws, qeloyme thn perifereiakh anaptyjh, prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyme thn koinwnikh kai thn perifereiakh synoxh sth xwra mas. Ayta einai ta sxedia poy protassoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ayto poy lete, na ekfrazoyn oi diadhlwtes eleyqera tis apoceis toys, einai mesa sta plaisia twn agrotwn tote poy syllambanontan kai jefoyskwnan ta lastixa kai toys parepempan sta dikasthria;

REPPAS: Sthn Ellada h Dhmokratia brisketai se ychlo epipedo. Exete symballei ki eseis oi dhmosiografoi s` ayto. Pisteyw oti oloi prepei na sebastoyme ayth thn arxh kai na mh strefomaste -giati peri aytoy prokeitai telika- enantion ths xwras mas. Na mhn memcimoiroyme, dinontas thn entypwsh se tritoys poy den gnwrizoyn isws, pws leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia sthn Ellada, oti h xwra mas einai mia xwra dhmokratika ypoanaptykth, giati ayto gnwrizete oti den symbainei.

ARGYROS: Xqes, meta th Diypoyrgikh proekyce mia diafwnia metajy toy k. Laliwth kai ths k. Aggelopoyloy, sxetika me th metafora toy ergoy apo to Sxoinia sto Ellhniko. Poia einai h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs; Kai deyteron, yparxei problhma me thn olympiakh filojenia, opws oi plhrofories lene, qema poy eqese h k. Aggelopoyloy.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola gi ayto to qema exei apanthsei o k. Xythrhs, o opoios symmetexei stis synedriaseis kai exei dwsei safeis apanthseis se sxetika erwthmata. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia na pw oti ena xrono meta th leitoyrgia ths Diypoyrgikhs, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, exei syntelestei mia shmantikh, qeamatikh proodos. H Ellada proetoimazetai gia thn artia organwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Bebaiws, peran twn lysewn poy dwsame se polla problhmata, antimetwpizoyme akomh dyskolies. Pisteyoyme oti me tropo syntomo kai apotelesmatiko qa mporesoyme na dwsoyme lyseis kai se ayta ta problhmata, wste h Ellada na diakriqei metajy twn allwn sth dieqnh koinothta gia toys poly kala organwmenoys Olympiakoys Agwnes, poy qa diejaxqoyn to 2004 sthn patrida mas.

GKROSMAN: Sthn paroysiash poy egine thn omada ths DOE, ypo ton k. Rongk, ypoqetw oti to sxedio gia to ``kagiak'' kai to ``slalom'' htan sth qesh poy eixe protaqei arxika. Ayth th stigmh poy brisketai ayto to ergo;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata antimetwpizontai, opws sto parelqon etsi kai twra, se synennohsh me th Dieqnh Olympiakh Epitroph.

KAPPOS: Ws pros to qema ths katadikhs ths Agkyras apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, ti metra se politiko epipedo qa epairne h Aqhna ws pros thn efarmogh h mh toy metroy;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola ayth h apofash exei apo monh ths mia poly megalh shmasia. H shmasia ths apofashs ayths einai istorikh. Apo kei kai pera, qetoyme ayto to qema sth dieqnh koinothta, giati einai kai diko ths qema, na ginei sebasth h apofash aytoy toy shmantikoy dikasthrioy. H Toyrkia einai ayth poy prepei na symmorfwqei h metajy twn allwn prepei kai na piestei, an den einai diateqeimenh na dexqei tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Alla den einai dynato mia xwra opws h Toyrkia na symmetexei sth dieqnh koinothta, an den symmorfwnetai me tis apofaseis twn dikasthriwn ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Ayto einai to megalo zhthma. Eipa prin, apantwntas se allh erwthsh, oti h Toyrkia ajiologeitai, baqmologeitai gia tis epidoseis ths se diaforoys tomeis. Kai to sygkekrimeno qema apotelei ena kaqoristikhs shmasias zhthma, opoy ajiologeitai h epidosh ths Toyrkias.

KAPPOS: Mh efarmogh ths apofashs en dynamei shmainei apobolh ths Toyrkias apo to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs. Qa synainoyse h kybernhsh se kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Otan erqei h wra, ayto to qema qa to antimetwpisei kai to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs kai ta alla organa ths dieqnoys koinothtas, poy exoyn kaqe logo na parakoloyqoyn pws ejelissetai h efarmogh aytwn twn apofasewn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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