Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-04-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Aprilioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai Xronia Polla.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kata tis prosexeis hmeres.

Oloklhrwqhke h synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys Eqnikhs Oikonomias G. Papantwnioy kai Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn T. Giannitsh kai me ton yfypoyrgo N. Farmakh, paroysia kai toy k. Xardoybalh, dieyqynth toy Oikonomikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Twra, jekina h synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Gewrgias kai thn hgesia ths PASEGES, me th symmetoxh kai toy symboyloy toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia qemata gewrgias k. Damianoy. Argotera, stis 2.30, qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs N. Xristodoylakh.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, opws gnwrizete einai programmatismenh kai qa ginei h koinh synedriash Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK, sto Megaro Majimoy, me antikeimeno syzhthshs to asfalistiko zhthma. To apogeyma, stis 7, einai programmatismenh synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Papantwnioy, ton k. Dry kai ton k. Xardoybalh, gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12.45, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas A. Tsoxatzopoylo. Nwritera, qa dexqei ton ypoyrgo Politismoy E. Benizelo kai thn k. Ntoly Goylandrh.

Prepei na sas pw oti h syzhthsh gia to asfalistiko zhthma, mporei na pei kaneis oti se kybernhtiko epipedo jekinhse xqes, me thn episkech toy k. Giannitsh ston k. Papantwnioy kai th syzhthsh gia to qema ayto. Ayrio, me thn apofash poy qa lhfqei sthn koinh synedriash twn dyo organwn, qa oristei ena plaisio, to opoio qa apotelesei kai thn enarjh gia ton koinwniko dialogo, to epomeno xroniko diasthma, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme stis kalyteres lyseis gia thn antimetwpish enos problhmatos poy oloi anagnwrizoyn oti yfistatai kai prepei, etsi ki alliws, na antimetwpistei se ayto to xrono. Na mhn afhsoyme, dhladh, to qema ayto anoikto gia poly kairo. Qa sas enhmerwsoyme gia ola ayta. Allwste, ayrio, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei kapoies dhlwseis gia ta qemata ayta.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, na dwsw ta pio qerma sygxarhthria mas sthn omada Mpasket toy Amaroysioy, h opoia meta apo megaleiwdh emfanish efqase panajia sthn katakthsh toy Eyrwpaikoy Kypelloy "Saporta". H spoydaia ayth epityxia mas kanei oloys yperhfanoys, kaqws erxetai na prosteqei stis megales epityxies poy exei na epideijei o ellhnikos Aqlhtismos, toso se atomiko, oso kai se syllogiko epipedo.

Sas enhmerwnw oti sygxarhthrio thlegrafhma ston proponhth kai toys paiktes toy Amaroysioy apesteile kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti den prepei na meinei anoikto gia poly kairo to asfalistiko qema. Epibebaiwnete me ayto thn emmesh anafora se shmerina dhmosieymata poy miloyn oti mexri tis 20 Ioynioy qa prepei na exei oloklhrwqei kai o koinwnikos dialogos kai qa prepei na exei chfistei kai to nomosxedio;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h kybernhsh, exontas ypoch ths ola ta dedomena ayth th stigmh, einai etoimh na syzhthsei to qema se baqos kai na diatypwsei tis protaseis ths. Epi th basei aytwn twn protasewn, oi koinwnikoi foreis mporoyn na diatypwsoyn tis dikes toys qeseis. Pisteyoyme oti mesa apo th synqesh twn apocewn mporei na odhghqoyme sto kalytero apotelesma. Ayto prepei na ginei oso ginetai pio grhgora, xwris bebaiws na sterhsoyme to xrono poy einai anagkaios, wste me anesh na diatypwsei kaqe pleyra tis apoceis ths. Alla, oso pio grhgora ginoyn oi ryqmiseis kai teqoyn se efarmogh, toso to kalytero gia oloys. Giati, oloi diapistwnoyme oti yfistatai ena problhma poy den mporei na parameinei anoikto. Prepei na to lysoyme, wste na gnwrizoyn oloi, idiws oi epomenes genies, poio einai to asfalistiko kaqestws, basei toy opoioy qa ergazontai twra kai qa syntajiodothqoyn sto mellon. To qema prepei na to antimetwpisoyme ayth thn periodo, se ayto to xrono. Einai safhs ayth h epilogh mas.

MIXAHL: Poio einai to krithrio prosdiorismoy toy xronoy syzhthshs; Giati hdh akoyme kai sta radiofwna kai mesa apo ta reportaz poy diabazoyme se ola ta dhmosieymata oti oi koinwnikoi foreis, me prwth th GSEE, lene oti an einai na kanoyme mia syzhthsh "ejpres", aytes einai oi protaseis mas kai "arpa kolla" na chfisoyme ena neo asfalistiko nomo, tote den exoyme kamia diaqesh na symmetasxoyme...

REPPAS: To nomo qa ton chfisei h Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Oloi gnwrizoyn -kai oi koinwnikoi foreis- oti to asfalistiko problhma den einai kainoyrgio zhthma. Epishs, gnwrizoyn oti olh ayth thn periodo h kybernhsh asxoleitai me ayto to qema. Exoyme labei th meleth toy Bretanikoy Oikoy kai eimaste etoimoi na diatypwsoyme th qesh mas. Apo thn pleyra toys, oi ergazomenoi, oi koinwnikoi foreis exoyn melethsei to qema kai exoyn katalhjei stis dikes toys protaseis. Den katapianontai me to qema ayto twra, gia prwth fora, oi koinwnikoi foreis h kai ta politika kommata. Me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyw oti o xronos poy qa doqei qa einai arketos. Alla, bebaia, oi diadikasies prepei na einai apotelesmatikes, giati prepei na odhghqoyme se ena apotelesma. Den qa syzhtoyme gia na syzhtoyme, para to oti kai ayto exei thn ajia toy. Syzhtoyme gia na fqasoyme sto kalytero, sto wfelimo gia oloys apotelesma.

MIXAHL: Pote qa doqei sth dhmosiothta h meleth twn Agglwn;

REPPAS: Qa anakoinwqoyn oi qeseis ths kybernhshs, meta kai apo thn ayrianh synedriash kai qa exete ypoch sas ola ta dedomena, ta opoia kai oi koinwnikoi foreis qa gnwrizoyn, prokeimenoy na ta laboyn ypoch toys gia th diatypwsh twn dikwn toys qesewn.

MPOTWNHS: Se kapoio biblio toy Amerikanikoy Institoytoy Ejwterikhs Politikhs ginetai logos gia thn tromokratia kai bazei sthn idia moira thn Aqhna me to Pakistan sthn antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy kai malista afhnei kapoia yponooymena gia toys tromokrates, legontas oti exoyn koines ideologikes rizes me thn aristerh pteryga toy PASOK. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, prepei na dieykrinisoyme oti to biblio ayto den ekfrazei tis qeseis kapoias yphresias. To biblio ayto -to tonizei o syggrafeas- ekfrazei tis proswpikes toy apoceis kai ektimhseis. Deyteron, h anafora poy ginetai exei sxesh me ena istoriko prohgoymeno, anagetai sthn periodo ths diktatorias sthn Ellada, gia thn opoia qymizw oti o Proedros twn HPA exei zhthsei syggnwmh, giati dexqhke oti eixe arnhtikh symbolh se ayth th qesmikh ektroph h tote kybernhsh twn HPA. Epishs, anaferetai oti den exoyme ta epiqymhta apotelesmata. Einai kati poy kai emeis exoyme, kat` epanalhch, tonisei kai anagnwrizoyme. Opws, epishs, sto biblio ayto tonizetai oti einai dedomenh kai isxyrh h politikh boylhsh ths hgesias ths xwras mas na antimetwpisei kai na ejaleicei ayth th mastiga. Ara, loipon, me dedomenh th boylhsh mas, me dedomenes tis prospaqeies poy kanoyme kai malista se synergasia me armodies yphresies allwn kratwn gia na antimetwpisoyme ayto to fainomeno, den dikaiologeitai ayth h kritikh h opoia einai yperbolikh. Kai otan den sthrizetai sthn alhqeia h se logikes paradoxes, antilambaneste oti thn aformh h thn aitia gia tetoia dhmosieymata, den mporoyme para na thn anazhthsoyme sto xwro twn skopimothtwn kai mono.

ANTYPAS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ayrio qa apofasistei to plaisio gia ton koinwniko dialogo. Sthn prwth erwthsh, eipate oti h kybernhsh einai etoimh na diatypwsei tis protaseis ths. Den fobaste mhpws kathgorhqeite apo stelexh toy kommatos sas oti synedriazei h hgesia ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos gia na epikyrwsei proeilhmmenes apofaseis; Sas rwtw, giati einai kati poy to exoyme janazhsei sto poly prosfato parelqon.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eipame oti qa ginei h synedriash ayth. Kai anaferame oti qa ginei ayrio, hmera Pempth. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi synedriaseis aytes dinoyn th dynatothta sta stelexh poy symmetexoyn, na diatypwnoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Kai oi apofaseis lambanontai, afoy diatypwqoyn oles oi apoceis, me th synainesh oswn symmetexoyn se aytes tis synedriaseis. Den prokatalambanetai kaneis. Sas eipa oti ayto to zhthma den einai kainoyrgio. Eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme to qema ayto, en olomeleia, sthn koinh synedriash kai toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Asfalws, oi eishghtes qa kanoyn mia plhrh anaptyjh toy qematos. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyw oti oloi einai etoimoi na diatypwsoyn tis dikes toys apoceis. Kai mesa apo ton koinwniko dialogo, kaqenas -ayto einai kati poy epidiwkoyme kai epiqymoyme- qa ajiologhsei kai qa ajiopoihsei pisteyw kaqe qetikh apoch poy proerxetai apo allh pleyra. Ayto einai kati poy epiqymoyme. Emeis toylaxiston ayto qa epidiwjoyme.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Ginetai logos apo stomata klhrikwn oti h Politeia proskalei ton Papa sth xwra mas, se mia prospaqeia kai na "dokimasei" tis sxeseis ths me to Makariotato Xristodoylo. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti thn prosklhsh thn aphyqyne o Proedros ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti to programma ths episkechs toy Pontifika sth xwra mas katartizetai symfwna me ta osa kai h Ekklhsia ths Elladas symfwnhsei oti prepei na akoloyqhqoyn. Emeis prosferoyme thn yposthrijh, mesw twn kybernhtikwn yphresiwn. Den exoyme kamia allh emplokh sta qemata ayta. Qa apodoqoyn oi deoyses times ston Papa poy episkeptetai thn Ellada. Pisteyoyme oti h Ekklhsia ths Elladas exei to diko ths rolo sto plaisio ayths ths episkechs, poy bebaiws ginetai sebastos apo oloys kai apo thn Kaqolikh Ekklhsia. Kai ayto einai kati to opoio xaropoiei kai emas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Para thn emmonh ths Elladas sthn politikh proseggish me thn Toyrkia, qa gnwrizete oti o k. Tzem episkeptetai, aytes tis hmeres, paranomws to stratokratoymeno boreio tmhma ths Kyproy. Anaferetai, sthn omilia toy, gia yparjh dyo kratwn kai mila gia epiteyjh symfwnias monon efoson anagnwristei h kyriarxia twn Toyrkokypriwn. Qa elega, malista, oti thn idia wra o gnwstos Toyrkos syntagmatologos Izal apeilei, me prosarthsh twn katexomenwn sthn Toyrkia, an, leei , h E.E. dexqei thn Kypro stoys kolpoys ths prin apo th lysh toy Kypriakoy. Dierwtwmai, an me ayta ta "xaideymata" k. Ypoyrge, pros thn Toyrkia, mporei na lyqei to Kypriako kai na odhghqoyme se nees synomilies h qa "frenarei" to Kypriako edw poy einai.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h proodos ths entajiakhs diadikasias sthn E.E., oxi mono den exei anakopei, alla isa-isa synexizetai omala kai h Kypros qa einai metajy twn prwtwn xwrwn poy qa entaxqoyn sthn E.E., sto plaisio ths epikeimenhs dieyrynshs ths. H Toyrkia einai h monh xwra poy exei apomeinei na diatypwnei tetoies qeseis gia thn epilysh toy kypriakoy qematos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h hgesia twn katexomenwn apexei apo tis synomilies. Ayto th barynei arnhtika. H Toyrkia epixeirei na prosferei mia yposthrijh -ayto einai anamenomeno- pros ton k. Ntenktas, pisteyoyme xwris epityxia. Exoyn perielqei se apomonwsh. H politikh poy akoloyqoyme, para to oti dhmioyrghse amfibolies se kapoioys gia ta apotelesmata ths, twra einai fanero oti apodidei karpoys. Einai mia swsth politikh. Exoyme kerdisei mia qesh politikhs yperoxhs kai ayth thn politikh prepei na akoloyqhsoyme, giati ayth eynoei to eqniko symferon. Eynoei idiaiterws thn ypoqesh ths Kyproy, toso ws pros to skelos ths entajhs ths sthn E.E., oso kai ws pros th diathrhsh ths kinhtikothtas gyrw apo to kypriako zhthma, pragma poy anamfibola exei ena qetiko xarakthra. Den prepei na jexastei kai na "meinei sto rafi" to kypriako qema. Prepei na syzhteitai. Emeis epiqymoyme na syzhteitai sto plaisio ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas. Ayth einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme. Pisteyw oti einai mia swsth politikh kai ayth qa synexisoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayta poy, kata kairoys, lene oi Toyrkoi peri prosarthshs twn katexomenwn, efoson...

REPPAS: Qymaste poses fores ta exoyn pei ayta;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws apantate se ayta ta qemata;

REPPAS: Oti h Kypros einai ena kyriarxo kratos, melos toy OHE. H kypriakh kybernhsh syzhta me thn E.E. gia thn entajh ths se ayth. Sto plaisio toy dialogoy gia tis diapragmateyseis ths entajhs, exoyn klhqei kai oi Toyrkokyprioi na ekproswphqoyn. Arnoyntai, dystyxws, giati steroyntai ayto to dikaiwma apo thn hgesia toys, na paroyn meros se aytes tis diadikasies. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyoyme oti tetoies apeiles exoyn stoxo na dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis kai mono, oi opoies bebaiws exoyn enan proskairo xarakthra. Den bohqoyn thn Toyrkia, den bohqoyn toys Toyrkokyprioys, oi opoioi gnwrizete oti sto syntriptika megalo pososto toys epiqymoyn thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E., prosblepontas oti etsi mporei na dhmioyrghqei ena allo status apo to katoxiko status poy yfistatai shmera sto nhsi.

ARGYROS: Exei teqei zhthma koinwnikoy poroy gia to asfalistiko, gia na mporesei na proxwrhsei; Kai ena deytero erwthma, an yparxei kapoia ejelijh sto qema ths ekkaqarishs toy mhtrwoy, giati yparxei mia ereyna poy ebgaze oti oi asfalismenoi sthn Ellada einai 13 ekatommyria!

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti pragmati ginetai enas ejorqologismos twn mhtrwwn twn asfalistikwn tameiwn -oxi mono toy IKA, alla kai twn allwn- prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme poios einai o akribhs ariqmos, giati yparxoyn -mikres pantws- apokliseis. Kata ta alla, oi leptomereies gia to asfalistiko zhthma qa ginoyn gnwstes tis epomenes hmeres. Mporoyme na poyme oti h ayrianh synedriash kai oi anakoinwseis poy qa ginoyn meta apo ayth, qa apotelesoyn to enaysma gia enan koinwniko dialogo ektetameno, plhrh, oysiastiko, se baqos, prokeimenoy na fqasoyme sta epiqymhta apotelesmata. Oloi epiqymoyn na proxwrhsoyme grhgora se ryqmiseis, oi opoies qa ejasfalisoyn ena biwsimo kai koinwnika dikaio asfalistiko systhma. Aytos einai kai o dikos mas stoxos.

ARGYROS: Kykloforoyn kapoia senaria tis teleytaies hmeres gia thn allagh synorwn kai th dhmioyrgia ths "megalhs Albanias", me bash tis meionothtes. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: Ta senaria einai senaria. Kapoioi foreis qa hqelan isws allagh synorwn sthn perioxh. Einai kati, omws, to opoio oles oi kybernhseis ths perioxhs, oloi oi megaloi dieqneis organismoi, alla kai oi megales xwres poy askoyn mia epirroh stis dieqneis ejelijeis, exoyn antimetwpisei apo mia qesh sthn opoia paramenoyn kai malista me tropo safh kai kathgorhmatiko. Den noeitai allagh synorwn sto sygxrono kosmo, sthn Eyrwph, sthn perioxh mas idiaiterws. Einai gnwsta ta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn diafora krath. Ayta, omws, prepei na antimetwpistoyn me sygkekrimenes energeies, kaqe fora poy ekdhlwnetai mia krish kai den prepei -ayto einai kati sto opoio oloi symfwnoyn- na odhgoyn se anatroph twn yparxontwn synorwn sthn perioxh.

KOLOKAS: Sth xqesinh synanthsh twn kyriwn Papantwnioy kai Giannitsh mphke h ennoia ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs. Qa mporoysate na prosdiorisete ayth thn ennoia;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei kai palaiotera gia thn ennoia ayth kai exoyme pei oti prepei na diepetai apo ena tetoio xarakthra to asfalistiko systhma. Prwton, prepei na einai biwsimo, dhladh na ejasfalizei me th leitoyrgia toy, oti oi epomenes genies qa exoyn th syntajh poy dikaioyntai. Kai deytero, na einai koinwnika dikaio, dhladh na ejaleifqoyn oi anisothtes poy hdh yparxoyn shmera kai poy kapoioi me mikres sxetika eisfores pairnoyn megales syntajeis, enw kapoioi poy dinoyn megalyteres eisfores pairnoyn sxetika mikroteres syntajeis. Ayto -kai menw se ena paradeigma mono, to opoio qewrw oti einai oysiastiko- deixnei oti prepei na kinhqoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh, wste na ginei pragmatika koinwnika dikaio to asfalistiko systhma sth xwra mas.

KOLOKAS: Akoma kai me prosbolh twn kekthmenwn, as poyme;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti ta wrima, ta qemeliwmena asfalistika dikaiwmata den prokeitai na qigoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Papas erxetai sth xwra mas ws arxhgos kratoys. Qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, qa synanthqei kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote;

REPPAS: Thn prwth hmera ths episkechs toy, stis 4 Maioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto programma poy dienemhqh den anaferetai h synanthsh ayth.

REPPAS: Yparxei kai h synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. To programma, me oles tis leptomereies, qa anakoinwqei tis epomenes hmeres, isws kai tis epomenes wres. H anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke proerxetai apo tis yphresies ths Kaqolikhs Ekklhsias sthn Ellada. Sto programma ayto symfwnoyn h prepei na symfwnhsoyn, peran ths Kaqolikhs Ekklhsias kai h Ellhnikh Orqodojh Ekklhsia kai bebaiws oi yphresies ths kybernhshs. Eipa oti h kybernhsh parexei thn texnikh kai dioikhtikh yposthrijh ths kai den qetei qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yphrje mia allagh, mhpws gnwrizete giati; Giati eixe graftei kat` epanalhch, oti h leitoyrgia poy qa telesei o Papas qa ginotan sto Stadio Eirhnhs kai Filias. Twra, miloyn gia to OAKA. Yparxei kapoio problhma; Gia logoys asfaleias egine ayth h allagh;

REPPAS: Kanena problhma den yparxei. Htan ena qema to opoio apetelese antikeimeno syzhthshs metajy twn pleyrwn. Fainetai oti katalhgoyme sto xwro ayto poy anakoinwqhke xqes. Ayto, omws, den einai qema poy na mas apasxolei. Opoiosdhpote xwros epilegei apo toys amesa endiaferomenoys, emeis den exoyme kamia antirrhsh na einai o xwros poy qa telesei kapoia dhmosia Qeia leitoyrgia o Pontifikas.

MPOTWNHS: Meta th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton YPEQA k. Tsoxatzopoylo, thn Paraskeyh, kleinei enas kyklos epafwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me politika stelexh. Na perimenoyme to Sabbatokyriako ton anasxhmatismo;

REPPAS: Poio Sabbatokyriako ennoeite;!

MPOTWNHS: Ayto poy erxetai.

REPPAS: Loipon, na mhn perimenete ayto to Sabbatokyriako kai polla alla Sabbatokyriaka. Sas kalw na ta perasete hsyxa, xwris agwnies kai anamonh gia epikeimeno anasxhmatismo. Den yfistatai tetoio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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