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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Ianoyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Sth shmerinh synedriash ths h Kybernhtikh Epitroph asxolhqhke me tria qemata:

To qema ths legomenhs ``basilikhs perioysias''.

To qema ths politikhs sto xwro twn MME (einai dyo qemata poy eixan meinei se ekkremothta apo thn prohgoymenh synedriash, otan den eixan syzhthqei). Kai,

Telos me to qema ths kataskeyhs toy METRO sth Qessalonikh, aytoy toy megaloy ergoy ths symprwteyoysas.

Se o,ti afora to METRO Qessalonikhs, o armodios ypoyrgos paraxwrei synenteyjh stoys synadelfoys sas kai den prokeitai na anaferqw me leptomereies sto qema ayto. Periorizomai na ypogrammisw orismena shmeia:

Prwton, oti h symbash gia to METRO Qessalonikhs chfisthke apo thn ellhnikh Boylh to Maio toy 1999 kai apo tote egine nomos toy kratoys. Yposthrixqhke monon apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. To epishmainw ayto giati prepei na to exei ypoch toy o ellhnikos laos.

Deyteron, h proodos aytoy toy ergoy basizetai sthn efarmogh enos xrhmatooikonomikoy sxedioy, to opoio exei ypoblhqei sthn Eyrwpaikh Trapeza Ependysewn, prokeimenoy na analhfqei daneio ycoys 132 dis draxmwn. To synoliko kostos toy ergoy problepetai na anelqei sta 220 dis draxmes. Exoyn proxwrhsei, epishs, diapragmateyseis me emporikes Trapezes, apotelesma twn opoiwn @mporei na pei kaneis- einai kai ayto to xrhmatooikonomiko sxedio to opoio exei ypoblhqei. H Eyrwpaikh Trapeza Ependysewn anamenetai na labei thn apofash ths ton erxomeno Martio h Aprilio (tote qa synedriasei to D.S. ths). Anamenetai, epishs, h qesh ths 15hs Dieyqynshs ths E.E. sthn opoia exei teqei to qema.

Katalhgontas, se o,ti afora to qema ayto qelw na ypogrammisw oti h kybernhsh exei sxediasei to ergo, exoyn ginei oles oi prodromes ergasies (arxaiologikes anaskafes, gewtexnikes ergasies), prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqoyn oi proypoqeseis, wste to ergo na jekinhsei to taxytero dynaton, afoy ginei apodekto to xrhmatooikonomiko sxedio, to opoio exei teqei ypoch twn megalwn pistwtikwn Idrymatwn, opws einai h Eyrwpaikh Trapeza Ependysewn, kai antlhqoyn oi anagkaioi poroi.

Se o,ti afora to qema ths legomenhs ``basilikhs perioysias'' (to prwto kata seira qema poy syzhthqhke shmera), gnwrizete oti to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia ta Dikaiwmata toy Anqrwpoy exei ekdwsei thn apofash toy stis 23 Noembrioy 2000. Ews thn 23h Maioy (tote prokeitai to Dikasthrio ayto na epilhfqei kai pali toy qematos) anamenei tis protaseis twn merwn h to apotelesma mias endexomenhs symfwnias toys, meta apo diapragmateysh.

Sth shmerinh syzhthsh den egine kamia anafora se qemata toy parelqontos, sta istorika dedomena. H syzhthsh epikentrwqhke sto ti prepei na prajei h kybernhsh apo dw kai pera. H taktikh poy qa akoloyqhsei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, etsi opws apofasisthke, meta th shmerinh syzhthsh, antilambaneste oti den mporei na syzhthqei sthn plhrh ektash ths. Mporw, omws, na sas pw oti ta basika shmeia ths taktikhs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs paramenoyn ayta poy gnwrizete h ypoqetete. Den tiqetai qema oiasdhpote diapragmateyshs gia th diafora ayth anamesa sto ellhniko Dhmosio, thn kybernhsh, thn Ellada se teleytaia analysh me thn oikogeneia toy tews basilea. Den tiqetai qema epistrofhs perioysiakwn stoixeiwn ston Kwnstantino Glyjmpoyrgk.

H Ellada exei epixeirhmata kai stoixeia ta opoia qa anadeijei me pio entono tropo, sto plaisio ayths ths diadikasias. Qewroyme oti oi apaithseis poy exoyn diatypwqei apo thn allh pleyra einai apolytws adikaiologhtes kai se teleytaia analysh exoyn yperkalyfqei apo tis ypoxrewseis poy exei pros to ellhniko Dhmosio h tews basilikh oikogeneia. O Kwnstantinos einai ypoxreos enanti toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai oxi to ellhniko Dhmosio enanti toy Kwnstantinoy. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

Pisteyoyme oti to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, mesw twn yphresiwn toy, qa zhthsei apo thn allh pleyra na aposafhnisei thn telikh qeshs ths, oson afora tis apaithseis ths, prokeimenoy na exoyme ypoch mas th qesh ayth gia na diatypwsoyme to mnhmonio mas ews thn hmera poy to Dikasthrio qa epilhfqei kai pali toy qematos.

Ayta einai ta tessera shmeia sta opoia mporw na anaferqw kai ta opoia pisteyw oti perikleioyn thn taktikh, thn politikh, th qesh mas gia to qema ayto.

Se o,ti afora thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme sto xwro twn MME (deytero kata seira qema poy syzhthsame shmera), ekana mia ektenh enhmerwsh twn synadelfwn se ayton eidika ton tomea. Milhsa gia to nomiko plaisio poy isxyei shmera, nomiko plaisio to opoio synqetoyn kata bash o n. 2328/95, o n. 2644/98, o n. 2863/2000 kai to P.D. 310/96 gia ton elegxo oson afora th diafaneia, sto plaisio toy ESR. To nomiko ayto plaisio einai to pio aysthro kai pio prowqhmeno, to pio leptomeres poy leitoyrgei kai efarmozetai sto synolo twn xwrwn ths E.E..

Oson afora thn politikh mas treis einai oi basikes ptyxes ths:

H nomimothta.

H diafaneia. Kai,

H poiothta.

H nomimothta diasfalizetai h prowqeitai opoy ayto den exei ginei akomh efikto me sygkekrimenes ryqmiseis, kyriws me thn oloklhrwsh twn diagwnistikwn diadikasiwn gia th xorhghsh adeiwn leitoyrgias se radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys.

Oson afora toys thleoptikoys staqmoys ths xwras to ogkwdestato yliko @peripoy 150 xiliades selides- exei prowqhqei sto ESR, to opoio qa ajiologhsei toys fakeloys poy exoyn ypoblhqei. O nomos problepei th leitoyrgia thleoptikwn staqmwn eqnikhs, perifereiakhs kai topikhs embeleias.

Exoyn, hdh, ypoblhqei, synolika, 159 aithseis gia 114 adeies poy prokeitai na xorhghqoyn.

Exoyn ypoblhqei deka (10) aithseis kai oi endiaferomenoi diekdikoyn eji (6) adeies leitoyrgias thleoptikwn staqmwn eqnikhs embeleias.

Exoyn ypoblhqei ogdontaepta (87) aithseis kai oi endiaferomenoi diekdikoyn penhntamia (51) adeies thleoptikwn staqmwn perifereiakhs embeleias.

Exoyn ypoblhqei ejhntadyo (62) aithseis kai oi endiaferomenoi diekdikoyn penhntaepta (57) adeies thleoptikwn staqmwn topikhs embeleias.

Oson afora toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys o nomos problepei oti h leitoyrgia toys mporei na einai mono se topiko epipedo. H diagwnistikh diadikasia proxwrei kata nomo.

Hdh, h diadikasia gia to nomo Attikhs einai sto teleytaio stadio. Exoyn prokhryxqei eikosi (20) adeies, exoyn ypoblhqei ogdontaeji (86) aithseis. Mesa apo mia synqeth diadikasia, h opoia oloklhrwnetai, to ESR diatypwse th symfwnh gnwmh toy gia toys staqmoys ekeinoys stoys opoioys qa prepei na xorhghqei adeia. Ayth thn wra, eimaste sth fash kata thn opoia qa kalesoyme toys foreis twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn na ypobaloyn entos 20hmeroy ton texniko fakelo toys, prokeimenoy to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn na ekdwsei bebaiwsh texnikhs eparkeias, wste sth synexeia na proxwrhsoyme syntomotata sthn ekdosh ths apofashs poy qa apotelei kai th xorhghsh adeias se sygkekrimenoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys.

Ayth thn periodo qa proxwrhsoyme se prokhryjh triwn akomh adeiwn poy prokeitai na xorhghqoyn, afoy apo tis yphresies Politikhs Aeroporias exoyn apeleyqerwqei treis akomh syxnothtes. H prokhryjh ayth qa ginei parallhla me th diabebaiwsh apo tis yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn gia ton ariqmo twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn poy mporei na leitoyrgoyn kata th diarkeia mias metabatikhs periodoy, mexri na oloklhrwqei dhladh h diadikasia gia th xorhghsh aytwn twn triwn adeiwn, xwris na dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata parembolwn stis syxnothtes poy xrhsimopoiei h Eqnikh Amyna kai h Politikh Aeroporia, qema idiaitera shmantiko kai krisimo, idiws malista enocei ths leitoyrgias toy neoy aerodromioy sta Spata. To Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn analambanei amesws th metafora ths ypodomhs keraiwn kai allwn ejarthmatwn apo ton Ymhtto sto oros Aigalew, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme oti den qa dhmioyrghqoyn tetoioy eidoys problhmata sth leitoyrgia toy neoy aerodromioy.

Prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme thn katastash se ayth thn metabatikh periodo qa analaboyme opoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia einai anagkaia, etsi wste mexri th xorhghsh kai twn triwn newn adeiwn na mporei na leitoyrghsei sygkekrimenos ariqmos radiofwnikwn staqmwn, ektos twn 20 poy qa laboyn adeia sto nomo Attikhs, meta apo ajiologhsh kai epilogh twn staqmwn aytwn apo to ESR.

Exoyn ekponhqei xartes gia toys ypoloipoys nomoys ths Elladas. Oloklhrwqhke h diadikasia ayth apo to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Ara, kai stoys ypoloipoys nomoys proxwroyme syntoma se prokhryjh gia th xorhghsh twn sxetikwn adeiwn.

Gia to nomo Qessalonikhs, prin apo tis giortes perihlqe sto Ypoyrgeio mas apo to ESR -meta apo meleth kai ajiologhsh twn fakelwn- to yliko gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Prokeitai na xorhghqoyn eikosiepta (27) adeies kai oi aithseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei einai ejhntapente (65). Syntomotata oloklhrwnetai apo th dikh mas pleyra h diadikasia elegxoy nomimothtas, prokeimenoy etsi na ta kataqesoyme sto ESR poy qa katartisei ton teliko pinaka ajiologhshs kai sth synexeia, opws gia thn Aqhna, etsi kai gia th Qessalonikh na ekdwsoyme thn apofash poy qa apotelei kai th xorhghsh adeias.

Kati analogo qa ginei kai gia toys ypoloipoys nomoys ths Elladas.

Oson afora toys thleoptikoys foreis poy ekpempoyn syndromhtika to programma toys kai eidikotera gia ekeinoys poy parexoyn yphresies mesw doryforoy exei hdh ypografei mia symbash paraxwrhshs, h opoia exei ajiopoihqei. Exei ypografei, epishs, mia symbash paraxwrhshs me forea poy den exei akomh anaptyjei tis antistoixes drasthriothtes. Telos, einai se ekkremothta h ypografh mias akomh symbashs paraxwrhshs me trito endiaferomeno forea. Synolika, dhladh, exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon symmetoxhs se ayth th diadikasia treis foreis ews twra. Ayth th stigmh den ekkremei kamia allh aithsh gia adeia paroxhs syndromhtikwn yphresiwn mesw doryforoy.

H symbash paraxwrhshs ston trito ayto forea qa ypografei, efoson o ypochfios antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis poy problepei o nomos.

H meleth twn fakelwn poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia syndromhtikwn staqmwn, mesw epigeiwn pompwn, oloklhrwnetai apo thn pleyra mas. Miloyme gia dyo adeies poy exoyn prokhryxqei. Oi endiaferomenoi einai eji. Dyo foreis exoyn ypobalei aithseis gia th mia adeia kai tesseris gia thn allh. To ESR syntoma qa exei to logo, prokeimenoy na kanei thn epilogh toy.

Oson afora ta qemata diafaneias, idiaiterh shmasia exei na anaferqoyme kai pali sto P.D. 310/96, me to opoio idryqhke to Tmhma Diafaneias sto plaisio leitoyrgias toy ESR. Me ayto problepetai h dhmioyrgia sygkekrimenoy mhtrwoy sto ESR, opoy kataxwroyntai ta metoxologia kai ola ta alla stoixeia twn etaireiwn poy drasthriopoioyntai sth radiothleoptikh agora. Oi etaireies aytes, ypenqymizw, einai eji kathgoriwn:

O Typos.

H Thleorash.

To Radiofwno.

Oi Diafhmistikes Etaireies.

Oi Etaireies Metrhsewn kai Ereynwn. Kai,

Oi Etaireies Paragwghs Optikoakoystikwn Ergwn.

Me ta stoixeia poy exei sth diaqesh toy to ESR qa probainei sthn ekdosh pistopoihtikoy diafaneias, enocei ths synachs symbashs me to Dhmosio opoioydhpote forea poy prokeitai na ektelesei opoiodhpote ergo, eite na promhqeysei to Dhmosio me yliko h na prosferei yphresies se ayto. Me ayth thn ennoia h ekdosh pistopoihtikoy diafaneias @me th diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn- dinei oristikh apanthsh se ayto to aithma gia th diafaneia sto xwro leitoyrgias twn MME. H armodiothta ayth exei ekxwrhqei apo to 1996 sto ESR. To P.D. 310/96 problepei, epishs, ws armodiothta toy ESR th dynatothta toy na ajiopoiei alloys elegktikoys mhxanismoys toy kratoys (opws gia paradeigma to SDOE), prokeimenoy na probainei se elegxoys epixeirhsewn poy drasthriopoioyntai sto radiothleoptiko tomea.

H diadikasia ayth einai ejwterikh se sxesh me to Ypoyrgeio mas. Afora kaq` oloklhrian to ESR kai thn kaqe fora anaqetoysa arxh, eite to antikeimeno einai dhmosio ergo, eite einai promhqeia toy Dhmosioy, eite einai paroxh yphresiwn.

Oson afora ta qemata poiothtas, oi prwtoboylies poy exoyme labei pera apo to qesmiko plaisio (anaferomai sto P.D. 100/2000 kai tis diatajeis toy neoy nomoy gia to ESR poy, metajy twn allwn, qespizoyn kanones aytoelegxoy kai aytodesmeyshs gia ta MME), aforoyn kyriws to ESR, to opoio me bash toys kwdikes poy threi kai efarmozei epilambanetai ths thrhshs, toy sebasmoy h oxi ths deontologias apo ta MME kai ekdidei apofaseis.

Prepei na sas pw oti mia shmantikh parametros einai oi oikonomikes ypoxrewseis poy exoyn ta MME, afoy askoyn mia kata paraxwrhsh dhmosia yphresia, xrhsimopoioyn dhladh ena dhmosio agaqo, opws einai oi syxnothtes. To antallagma xrhshs, opws akribws problepei o nomos, exoyn klhqei na katabaloyn thleoptikoi staqmoi eqnikhs embeleias. Exoyme ekdwsei apofaseis, exoyn eispraxqei shmantika posa. Ta posa ayta eisprattontai symfwna me ton Kwdika Eisprajhs Dhmosiwn Esodwn. Shmantika einai, epishs, ta posa poy exoyn epiblhqei me apofaseis toy ESR, ypo morfh prostimwn, oikonomikwn kyrwsewn. Jepernoyn to ena dis draxmes, enw eggizoyn ta 7 dis draxmes ta posa poy exoyn katalogistei ws antallagma xrhshs gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Polles fores oi endiaferomenoi foreis xrhsimopoioyn ta endika mesa poy exoyn sth diaqesh toys, prosfeygontas sta dioikhtika dikasthria kai epitygxanoyn mia proswrinh anastolh katabolhs twn poswn aytwn. Einai mia kaq` ola nomimh diadikasia. @Alla posa exoyn ypaxqei se ryqmiseis diaforwn kathgoriwn.

Epishs, exoyme lysei shmantika qemata, metajy twn opoiwn ena sas afora, einai ayto poy sxetizetai me to aggelioshmo. Gnwrizete kala oti apo to 1996, me diatajh poy chfisame sto N.2429, ekeino to kalokairi, to aggelioshmo, aytos o koinwnikos poros, apodidetai apeyqeias sta dikaioyxa asfalistika tameia apo toys ypoxreoys, diafhmizomenoys kai diafhmistes, xwris na paremballontai oi idiokthtes twn MME, opws synebaine mexri tote.

To poso ayto toy aggelioshmoy, to opoio eisreei sta dika sas asfalistika tameia, anerxetai se dekades disekatommyria draxmes, ta teleytaia xronia. An synypologistei kai o eidikos foros sth diafhmish, poy einai to 30% ths timhs ths diafhmishs to opoio eisprattei to Dhmosio, mporw na anaferw ena synoliko poso 255 dis. draxmwn, to opoio exei eisreysei sta asfalistika tameia, sto dhmosio korbana, mesa apo aytoy toy eidoys tis drasthriothtes.

Ara, to ypoyrgeio mas, se enan tomea poy epopteyei, mporei na pei kaneis oti einai poly xrhsimo sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Makari to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn na deijei thn idia antapokrish, prokeimenoy na enisxysei prwtistws to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, alla kai emas gia na antapokriqoyme stis ypoxrewseis mas.

Telos, to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, me to neo nomo poy exoyme chfisei, gnwrizete oti qa prepei na sygkroteitai me ena neo tropo. O nomos aytos exei teqei se isxy apolytws, ektos twn diatajewn ekeinwn poy synartwntai amesws me to neo tropo sygkrothshs toy ESR. O neos aytos tropos qa prepei na akoloyqhsei thn tropopoihsh toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, o opoios tropopoioymenos qa prepei na anagnwrisei sth Diaskech twn Proedrwn armodiothtes, metajy twn allwn kai gia th sygkrothsh toy ESR me ayjhmenh pleiochfia, pragma to opoio den problepetai ston Kanonismo ths Boylhs poy isxyei shmera. Ayto einai ena qema eswteriko ths Boylhs. Qa to antimetwpisei o Proedros ths Boylhs, se synennohsh me ta politika kommata.

To ESR apokta dhmosionomikh oikonomikh aytodynamia -einai poly shmantiko ayto- kai stelexwsh kai diarqrwnetai se sygkekrimena Tmhmata, antistoixws twn basikwn pylwnwn ths politikhs mas: nomimothtas, diafaneias kai poiothtas. Den einai pleon mia epitroph, ena aplo symboylio ek proswpikothtwn, alla diarqrwnetai etsi, sto plaisio toy Organismoy toy, wste me analogh yposthrijh ylikotexnikh, oikonomikh, alla kai stelexwsh, na mporei na ferei se peras to ergo toy. Paramenoyme staqera se ayth thn politikh.

Sas enhmerwnw, telos, oti me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se yparxoyses kenes qeseis toy "Aqhna 2004", sthn eyreia synqesh ths Epitrophs orizontai ws nea melh oi kyrioi Pyros Dhmas kai Nikos Ejarxos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. P. Dhmas, se poia qesh topoqeteitai;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti yphrxan kenes qeseis sthn Organwtikh Epitroph.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Otan lete Epitroph eyreias synqeshs, poia ennoeite;

REPPAS: Ennow th 17melh Epitroph. Einai dynato na einai h 5melhs Epitroph eyreia;

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, enhmerwsate toys synadelfoys sas gia thn politikh sto xwro twn MME, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an toys enhmerwsate gia thn protash sas gia to pososto poy prepei na katexei o basikos metoxos enos MME, etsi wste na yparxei asymbibasto me alles qeseis.

REPPAS: Den anaferqhka kaqoloy sth syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos poy afora kata ena tmhma ths kai ta qemata ayta. Epanalabame th qesh mas oti oi periorismoi, oi opoioi isxyoyn sto diko mas nomiko plaisio, den yfistantai se allh xwra ths Eyrwphs. Exw sth diaqesh sas ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia martyroyn oti o nomos poy isxyei sthn Ellada einai dysleitoyrgikos isws, poly perissotero sthn epoxh mias dieqnopoihmenhs oikonomias, opoy polles etairies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, h kefalaiagora einai aneptygmenh. Sthn Ellada, prepei na sas pw oti isxyoyn polla apo ayta ta opoia h N.D. twra proteinei, san na mh gnwrize oti isxyoyn. Akoysa ton eishghth ths, fer` eipein, na leei oti qa prepei na problefqei h kyrwsh ths diakophs leitoyrgias enos staqmoy. Ayto problepetai ws kyrwsh, me to N.2328 arqro 4, par. 1 kai 8. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Den to gnwrizoyn sth N.D.; `H h onomastikopoihsh mexri fysikoy proswpoy; Isxyei, me ejaireseis bebaiws poy aforoyn th drasthriopoihsh etairiwn poy, eite einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, eite leitoyrgoyn kata to dikaio allhs xwras poy exoyn thn edra toys. Kai bebaiws, sto qema poy anafereste, mporw na pw oti h qesh mas paramenei, pws qa prepei na ginoyn oles ekeines oi logikes proseggiseis, wste na mhn odhgeitai se emplokh to olo systhma. H asymbibasth drasthriothta prepei na problepetai. Alla, bebaiws, qewroyme pws den mporei na afora aytos o periorismos, akomh kai ekeinon o opoios diaqetei estw kai mia metoxh se ena MME poy einai eishgmeno ws epixeirhsh sto Xrhmatisthrio kai mia estw metoxh se mia etairia poy analambanei dhmosia erga h analambanei na prosferei yphresies sto Dhmosio h to promhqeyei. Antilambaneste pws einai oxi ekatontades, alla xiliades ekeinoi poy exoyn ependysei kapoia xrhmatika posa sto Xrhmatisthrio. Kai einai polloi ekeinoi, oi opoioi ayth thn wra -mporei na pei kaneis- oti exoyn ayth th mikth idiothta. Alla, asfalws, den anaferomaste se aytoys. Den einai aytos o skopos toy nomoy. Miloyme gia ekeinoys poy mporoyn na ephreasoyn th leitoyrgia enos MME, prokeimenoy etsi na diapragmateyqoyn, an qelete, me thn Politeia, me to kratos, gia na ejasfalisoyn th symmetoxh toys se mia dhmosia symbash. Alla, kai oi dhmosies symbaseis ypografontai, meta apo anoiktoys diafaneis diagwnismoys, oi opoioi einai kai dieqneis.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti stis poly megales promhqeies, sta poly megala erga den einai dynato na ypeiselqei o ypokeimenikos paragontas. Den mporei kaneis na isxyristei oti h symmetoxh se ena MME einai ayth poy kaqorizei kai ephreazei thn apofash ths anaqetoysas arxhs. Para tayta, loipon, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, qewroyme oti qa prepei na problefqei ena orio, to opoio an jeperna metoxos se ena MME, tote akribws na tiqetai se efarmogh aytos o periorismos. Ektos pia, epanalambanw, an odhghqoyme se paralogismo kai o periorismos aytos isxyei akomh kai gia ekeinon poy exei estw kai mia metoxh, an dhladh sto proswpo toy sympiptei mia stigmh h diplh idiothta toy metoxoy se ena MME kai se mia ergolhptikh etairia h se mia etairia promhqeias toy Dhmosioy h paroxhs yphresiwn sto Dhmosio.

Ayto einai ena qema to opoio, efoson aposafhnistei, kata th syzhthsh poy qa ginei gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos sth Boylh, qa antimetwpistei, en synexeia, sto plaisio mias nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias poy qa akoloyqhsei me synainetiko tropo. Den tiqetai, loipon, ayth thn wra, qema posostwn. Einai qema logikhs proseggishs.

MIXAHL: H basikh qesh sas einai h ejhs: Oi mikrometoxoi, poy exoyn 5, 10, 20 metoxes, den mporei na leme oti apokleietai na pane...

REPPAS: Giati, oi perissoteroi apo aytoys den exoyn kamia sxesh me ta MME.

MIXAHL: Entajei. Einai logiko.

REPPAS: Adynatoyn na ephreasoyn th leitoyrgia toy Mesoy, an eimaste kaxypoptoi oti enas metoxos ayto epidiwkei symmetexontas se ena MME. An dhladh epidiwkei na ephreasei th leitoyrgia toy gia na piesei thn politikh. Pisteyw oti oi perissoteroi den exoyn kamia epafh me ayto to idio MME, toy opoioy, epeidh einai eishgmeno sto Xrhmatisthrio, diaqetoyn metoxes. Ayth einai mia alhqeia.

MIXAHL: Oi mikroi metoxoi poy exoyn koines metoxes, eite se etairies promhqeiwn toy Dhmosioy, eite se MME, profanws, exei mia logikh bash na diaxwristoyn apo toys basikoys metoxoys.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy blepete logikh bash se ayta poy eipa.

MIXAHL: Ermhneyontas th dikh sas apanthsh. To erwthma einai: Eseis exete katalhjei, ws Ypoyrgeio, se mia protash oti basika prepei na yparxei ena pososto...

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs kai qa kaqoristei sto plaisio enos nomoy poy qa akoloyqhsei -oxi asfalws sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos- kai bebaiws, qa exei shmasia na to syzhthsoyme ayto se ena epomeno stadio, efoson ayth thn wra kai sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos ginei dekth ayth h diatypwsh. Dioti, an den ginei dekth ayth h diatypwsh, den exei nohma na syzhtoyme.

MIXAHL: Ara, den sas aforoyn oi plhrofories poy anaferoyn kapoia sygkekrimena noymera 5, 10, 15, 20%;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti kata th diadikasia poy qa akoloyqhsei thn oloklhrwsh ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, me synainetiko tropo mporei na prosdioristei to sygkekrimeno pososto, efoson sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos apofasistei oti qa prepei na prosdioristei ena orismeno pososto, peran toy opoioy qa tiqentai aytomatws aytoi oi periorismoi.

XASAPOPOYLOS: (den akoygetai)

REPPAS: Ayta einai poly safh. Diatypwnontai diafores apoceis, diafores

skeceis. Ayto to qema einai anoikto pros syzhthsh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: To dilhmma giati to qetei h kybernhsh; Mhpws to qetei kapoio komma;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas. Giati to keimeno toy Syntagmatos sto opoio katelhje h Epitroph, meta th sxetikh epejergasia, den diaxwrizei ton metoxo apo ekeinon, o opoios diaqetei mia shmantikh desmh metoxwn se ena MME, wste na qewreitai shmainwn, basikos metoxos. To keimeno gia to Syntagma, etsi opws einai diatypwmeno meta th sxetikh epejergasia apo thn Epitroph, akomh kai mia metoxh na diaqetei kapoios se ena MME kai taytoxrona mia metoxh se etaireia poy synaptei symbaseis me to Dhmosio toy dhmioyrgei periorismoys. Ayth loipon h diplh idiothta den epitrepetai. Exoyme mia asymbibasth drasthriothta. Ara odhgeitai se emplokh to systhma. Ayth einai h protash mas. Ean h Boylh apofasisei na parameinoyme se ayth th diatypwsh, shmainei oti polloi poy exoyn ependysei sto Xrhmatisthrio se metoxes Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs h etaireiwn poy synaptoyn symbaseis me to Dhmosio h qa prepei na klhqoyn na fygoyn -ayto den jerw pws qa pragmatopoihqei- h bebaiws, oles aytes oi etaireies poy symmetexoyn den qa epitrepetai na ypografoyn symbaseis me to Dhmosio. Qa menoyn ektos diagwnismwn.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: O eishghths toy PASOK poy elabe to logo anaferqhke se ena pososto 5%.....

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti diatypwnontai diafores skeceis. To pososto ayto qa proseggistei argotera sto plaisio nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, mporei na allajei to pososto;

REPPAS: Asfalws, mporei na allajei. Alla, prwta ap ola qa prepei na exoyme dedomeno oti h Boylh, sto plaisio ths Anaqewrhshs, apofasise ayto ton prosdiorismo. Den einai aparaithto. Ean, to keimeno parameinei ws exei meta thn epejergasia ths Epitrophs, den xreiazetai anafora se pososta.

SOYRMELH: Oi alloi staqmoi poy den qa paroyn adeia, ti synebh kai den mporoyn na paroyn;

REPPAS: Einai sygkekrimena ta krithria poy qetei o nomos. Basei aytwn twn krithriwn ajiologoyntai kai baqmologoyntai oi ypochfioi. Ta krithria einai tessarwn eidwn: Prwton, h palaiothta ths epixeirhshs, toy Mesoy poy ypebale aithsh. Deyteron, to ycos ependysewn. Triton, ariqmos apasxoloymenwn. Kai tetarton, to krithrio ths programmatikhs plhrothtas.. Ayta ajiologei to ESR kai me bash ayta baqmologei kaqe ypochfio.

KARGOYDH: Eipate oti sto nomo Attikhs qa paraxwrhqoyn eikosi radiofwnikes adeies kai alles treis prokeitai na prokhryxqoyn. Enw, gia to nomo Qessalonikhs qa doqoyn 27 adeies. Giati;

REPPAS: Se kaqe nomo den einai idios o ariqmos twn syxnothtwn. Gi ayto akribws otan to 1989 h N.D. prospaqhse na jekinhsei mia diadikasia xorhghshs adeiwn, prepei na sas pw oti den proeblece, metajy twn allwn, to aytonohto: na katartisei xartes gia tis syxnothtes poy einai diaqesimes se kaqe perioxh h sthn Epikrateia, toso gia toys thleoptikoys, oso kai toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Emeis proxwrhsame sthn ekponhsh xartwn. Einai mia poly shmantikh kai dyskolh doyleia. Opws exoyme to Kthmatologio gia ta perioysiaka stoixeia, kati antistoixo exoyme kanei gia tis syxnothtes poy yparxoyn sthn ellhnikh Epikrateia, oson afora thn thleorash kai ta radiofwna. Se kaqe perioxh o ariqmos syxnothtwn poikilei. Einai apotelesma mias texnikhs kai episthmonikhs ergasias ayto. O ariqmos syxnothtwn ejartatai apo th gewgrafia kai to anaglyfo toy edafoys kaqe perioxhs. Apo th leitoyrgia kai allwn yphresiwn poy xrhsimopoioyn syxnothtes, p.x. aerodromiwn, stratiwtikwn monadwn k.lp. Apo nomo se nomo o ariqmos syxnothtwn einai diaforetikos. Gi ayto akribws qa prepei na exoyme se kaqe periptwsh xarth syxnothtwn, wste en synexeia na kanoyme prokhryjh gia na xorhghsoyme adeia. Den mporei na einai tyflh h diadikasia. Den dinoyme, dhladh, adeies se eikosi staqmoys, foreis oi opoioi qa trejoyn, pairnontas thn adeia, na katalaboyn mia syxnothta h qa synexisoyn na ekpempoyn to programma toys se mia syxnothta poy exoyn katalabei. Exoyn sygkekrimenh ypoxrewsh, peran olwn twn allwn, me bash to xarth, na ekpempoyn apo sygkekrimenh qesh, to shma toys na kalyptei sygkekrimenh perioxh, na exei sygkekrimenh embeleia dhladh, kai bebaiws na ekpempoyn me sygkekrimenh entash isxyos. Ola ayta problepontai. Exei ginei olh ayth h proergasia gia na fqasoyme se ayto to shmeio.

ARGYROS: Pws egine h moriodothsh; Exoyn prokycei problhmata, den exoyn thrhqei ta krithria;

REPPAS: Me kaleite na krinw thn apofash toy ESR. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti epi ths oysias den moy epitrepetai na elegjw thn apofash toy ESR. Askoyme mono elegxo nomimothtas. To ESR exei labei ypoch toy ayta ta tessera krithria, prokeimenoy na baqmologhsei toys staqmoys. Ston pinaka ajiologhshs, poy esteile to Ypoyrgeio mas proxqes, oi anaferomenoi staqmoi einai 21, afoy oi anagrafomenoi treis teleytaioi sthn katatajh, o 19os, 20os kai 21os sygkentrwnoyn ton idio ariqmo moriwn, sygkekrimena 14 moria. Den qa krinw thn apofash toy ESR epi ths oysias. Apla, sto plaisio toy elegxoy nomimothtas, eidame ean thrhqhkan ayta poy problepei o nomos. To ESR me thn apofash toy kai me ta praktika ta opoia exei episynacei kai exei aposteilei, dikaiologei thn apofash poy exei parei. Eimaste, loipon, enocei ths ekdoshs ths apofashs mas. Qa doyme pws qa antimetwpisoyme @giati yparxei ena keno ki edw- ayto to problhma poy prokyptei, afoy prepei na xorhghsoyme 20 adeies, enw gia dyo syxnothtes, dhladh, gia dyo adeies, isobaqmoyn treis staqmoi, me ton idio ariqmo moriwn. Epanalambanw oti qa prohghqei to stadio ths ekdoshs bebaiwsewn apo to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn gia thn texnikh eparkeia twn fakelwn. Otan oloklhrwsoyn to ergo oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai doyme ti qa apofanqoyn, tote qa prajoyme analogws.

ARGYROS: Pote qa doqoyn pistopoihtika diafaneias;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti me bash to P.D. 82/96 problepetai h gnwstopoihsh twn stoixeiwn twn metoxwn poy symmetexoyn se mia etaireia, h opoia pairnei meros se mia diagwnistikh diadikasia, eite h etaireia ayth einai ergolhptikh, eite promhqeytikh, eite einai etaireia paroxhs yphresiwn sto Dhmosio. Ayta ta stoixeia, loipon (poy problepei to P.D. 82/96 kai exei sth diaqesh ths h kaqe fora anaqetoysa arxh, analogws toy antikeimenoy), proskomizontai sto ESR, opoy ginetai kai h diastayrwsh me ta stoixeia poy diaqetei sto diko toy mhtrwo, gia tis etaireies poy drasthriopoioyntai sto radiothleoptiko tomea. Efoson, diapistwsei oti metoxoi etaireias, poy symmetexei se mia diagwnistikh diadikasia kai prokeitai na epilegei kai na ypogracei symbash me to Dhmosio, einai kai metoxoi se mia apo tis etaireies poy drasthriopoioyntai sto radiothleotpiko tomea, diapistwnei to asymbibasto kai den ekdidei to pistopoihtiko diafaneias. Ara, den mporei na synafqei h antistoixh symbash toy sygkekrimenoy epixeirhmatikoy forea me to Dhmosio. Aytos einai o mhxanismos kai qa mporoyse na teqei, kata thn apoch mas, se efarmogh edw kai arketa xronia. Ayto to P.D. poy problepei kai egkaqidryei ayto to mhxanismo exei ekdoqei apo to kalokairi toy 1996. Aplws, kaqysterhse h stelexwsh toy tmhmatos, giati enw emeis problecame thn proslhch twn stelexwn apo to idio to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai eixame proxwrhsei se sxetikh prokhryjh, me parembash toy to ASEP qewrhse oti ekeino eprepe na kanei thn prokhryjh. Oloklhrwqhke h proslhch meta thn pareleysh peripoy dyo etwn. To ESR, meta to telos toy 1999 exei pleon sth diaqesh toy kai ton anagkaio ejoplismo, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei ayto to systhma elegxoy. Einai mia diadikasia ejwterikh oson afora to ypoyrgeio Typoy. Ayto to pistopoihtiko ekdidetai kai diabibazetai sthn anaqetoysa arxh. Den koinopoieitai sto ypoyrgeio Typoy. Etsi pisteyw oti epitygxanetai o epiqymhtos elegxos gia qemata diafaneias.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean einai stis proqeseis toy ypoyrgoy na kalyfqei h kenh qesh poy yparxei sthn 5melh epitroph toy AQHNA 2004, na yparjei dhladh antikatastaths toy k. Synadinoy. Kai ean ayth h qesh qa einai qesh dieyqynonta symboyloy h enos entetalmenoy symboyloy me alles armodiothtes.

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei gi ayto to qema. Ayth thn wra den yparxei kati pros anakoinwsh. Exei milhsei o ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Benizelos kai o yfypoyrgos Aqlhtismoy k. Flwridhs gi ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Benizelo qa antimetwpisoyn kai ayto to qema, sto plaisio ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias poy analambanei o ypoyrgos Politismoy gia qemata poy sxetizontai me thn Olympiada.

SOYRMELH: Sth 17melh epitroph o k. Ejarxos kai o k. Dhmas poiwn qesh pairnoyn;

REPPAS: Osoi symmetexoyn sthn 5melh einai kai melh ths dieyrymenhs Epitrophs poy exei 17 melh. Den symbainei to antistrofo. Exoyn paraithqei, opws gnwrizete, o k. Liaskas, o k. Synadinos kai o k. Sgoyros.

SOYRMELH: Ara, pairnoyn aytwn th qesh kai metexoyn kai sthn 5melh;

REPPAS: Sthn 17melh symmetexoyn.

SOYRMELH: Nai, alla ean einai aytes oi dyo qeseis kenes tis opoies qa symplhrwsoyn oi kyrioi. Ejarxos kai Dhmas, ayto shmainei oti qa metexoyn kai sthn 5melh.

REPPAS: Kalyptoyn kenes qeseis ths 17meloys Epitrophs.

MPEKAS: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane kapoia eisagwgikh omilia;

REPPAS: Den anaferqhke se opoiodhpote allo qema. Den eginan alla sxolia.

KONTOPOYLOS: Poio einai to neo stoixeio sthn taktikh ths Elladas, sto qema ths legomenhs ``basilikhs perioysias'', wste na mh breqoyme sth dysaresth qesh poy breqhkame prohgoymenws.

REPPAS: Exoyme sxediasei mia taktikh thn opoia qa akoloyqhsoyme. Kata bash synexizoyme thn taktikh poy akoloyqhsame mexri twra. Mhn perimenete na milhsw me perissoteres leptomereies. Antilambaneste poios einai o logos poy den to kanw ayto. Sas lew, se teleytaia analysh, oti qewroyme -kai se ayth th qesh paramenoyme- pws o tews basilias einai ypoxreos enanti toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai oxi to antistrofo.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ayto pws diasfalizetai;

REPPAS: Oydeis mporei na elegjei thn apofash twn Dikasthriwn. Sebomaste idiaiterws to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Dikaiwmatwn toy Anqrwpoy. Exoyme stoixeia kai epixeirhmata, ta opoia qa synexisoyme na anadeiknyoyme kai na probaloyme akomh pio systhmatika.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: H N.D. paroysiase kapoia stoixeia gia paranomes ellhnopoihseis. Qa hqela thn apanthsh sas.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ena staqero epixeirhmata, to opoio h N.D. xrhsimopoihse mia oloklhrh periodo meta tis ekloges, htan ayto ths noqeias, prokeimenoy na ejaxqei ena nikhforo apotelesma gia to PASOK. Eixe sygkekrimenh skopimothta h N.D. kai ayto bebaiws martyra to adiejodo sto opoio exei perielqei. H N.D. prokeimenoy na apoprosanatolisei toys apogohteymenoys opadoys ths, idiaiterws h hgesia ths httas ths N.D., epidoqhke se ayto to ``paixnidi'', se baros qesmwn kai se baros ypolhcewn atomwn. Ola ayta poy h N.D. anaferei einai ektos pragmatikothtas. Qa prepei na symfiliwqei me thn idea oti paramenei komma ths antipoliteyshs. Ean qelei na ginei komma ejoysias, kalo einai na ergastei pros thn kateyqynsh na apokthsei programma, qeseis kai protaseis gia ta problhmata ths xwras kai twn politwn, anti na epididetai se ayto, to politika katastrofiko ``paixnidi'' ths dhmioyrgias efhmerwn entypwsewn. Giati kai thn idia den bohqa, alla blaptei kai toys qesmoys. Kai ayto einai kyriws poy mas endiaferei.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxei qema paraithshs toy k. Giannitsh;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema. Ekplhssomai poy qetete tetoia erwthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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